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00:00Hello, it's true!
00:01Hello, it's the name of the 건강 subliman.
00:04I am Rakshthatt Shetty.
00:08Today, I am going to put it this time.
00:12The people will be the first time.
00:17Today, I am going to make a good day round.
00:22I am going to make a better decision.
00:24I am going to make a better decision.
00:26I am going to make a good decision.
00:28RAHUL GANTHI EVARU PRASTHAPA MADU DANT THA VICHAR
00:31RAHUL GANTHI EVARU CHINA BAHARATA SANGARSHAD SAMAYA DALLLI
00:36PRADHANI NARENDRA MODY EVARU KARTHAVYALO PAYA SAGITRU
00:40ANNU AROPOVAN YINNA PUSTHAKA VONDANNA MUNDITTU MADIDRU
00:44HADAR MELE GADDALAGALU SHISHTRIYAH AYTAHAHU
00:49YERADNE TAREEKU SHURUVAHYITU IVATTHINA VAREGU KUDA MUNDUVARU
00:53VARATHA CHINA GADY SANGARSHID VICHARU VAHGY LOKASABYALLE GADDALAGID
01:00YERADU SABURTHA YIPPOTTHERA SANDARBADALLI CHINA DHA YUTTH TANKARGALU
01:06VARATHA GADY PRAVESHISUVANTHA SADJATTI GALITDAGA
01:10VRADANI NARENDRA MODY KARTHAVYALO PAYA SAGITRU
01:15ATOBA SENA MUKJASTHRANNA NADUNEARAL KAYI VITTRU
01:20ANUNU AAROPA EAROPAKKKAYE AURU SAKSHI YAHGI KOTTIDDU
01:25GENERAL YMM NARVANAY AURAPPRAKATITTH PUSTHAKA
01:30ILLIYA VARGE PRAKATVAH AGADANTHA VONDU PUSTHAKA
01:34POUR STARS OF DESTINY ENU VONDU PUSTHAKA
01:38A PUSTHAKA ILLIYA VARIGA PRAKATTA AHGILLA
01:42A PUSTHAKA DAKKELA AMSHGALANNAM UNDHITTTU
01:45VEB SETTE ONDU SUTTHY MADDU
01:47A VEB SETTE L VONDANTHA VICHARAKALANNNA
01:51LOKKASABYAL PRASTAHAPA MADDU
01:53Ա앙GA POINT OF ARGUMENT PRASTAHAPA MADDU
01:59ԻNNU PRAKATTA VAHGADANTHA PUSTHAKA VONDN LOKKASABYAL PRASTAHAPA MADDU
02:03ԻNNU PRAKATTA NIAGADANTHA PUSTHAKA VONDN LOKKASABYAL PRASTAHAPA MADDU
02:08ԻNNU PRAKATTA NIAGADANTHA PUSTHAKA VONDN LOKKASABYAL PRASTAHAPA MADDU
02:12ԲNU KÁRANU KAHGYAVRIGADANTHA VAHASHKEN KAUKASHA STHINGLEMGLE
02:19and this is from the memoir of army chief Naravani and I'd like you to listen
02:39nicely you will understand exactly who is patriotic who is not it'll take it'll
02:50take a little while so this is about when four Chinese tanks were entering
02:58Indian territory they were taking a ridge in Dhoklam and the army chief
03:06writes and I quote from an article that is quoting his book the tanks were
03:14within a few hundred meters of Indian positions on the Kailash range
03:36yeah
03:39yeah
03:41yeah
03:44So this is 100% authentic, 100% authentic, sir, Rajnath Singh is getting exercise because his name is going to be spoken just now.
04:14No, sir, I have not said anything. So these are the memoirs of General Narawani in which it is not.
04:39So this is the memoirs of General Narawani, and this is the memoirs of General Narawani.
04:46He has said that if you prefer the memoirs of General Narawani, he has not written anything.
04:54He has written a memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani.
05:00He has written a memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani.
05:07He has written a memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani.
05:14He has written a memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of General Narawani's memoirs of
05:44foreign
06:14foreign
06:21foreign
06:26foreign
06:35foreign
06:41foreign
06:42The government has said that this book does not exist. Rajnath Singh Ji has said that this book does not exist. Every youngster in India should see that this book exists. This is Mr. Narawane's book. Narawane Ji's book.
07:01The chief of army staff, General Narawane, has called Rajnath Singh Ji's phone and said that the Chinese tanks are on our territory. What do we have to do?
07:17First, Rajnath Singh Ji has not replied. The standing order was on the top, that if the Chinese forces are in our territory, we should not do it without our question.
07:26Narawane Ji and our army, the Sena, wanted to fire them on our tanks, because those tanks were on our territory.
07:34Narawane Ji's message gave me, look, what you have to do, do it.
07:42Narawane Ji has said that this book is a great book.
07:51foreign
08:21Thank you very much.
08:51Thank you very much.
09:21Thank you very much.
09:51Thank you very much.
11:21Thank you very much.
12:23General Naravan said, I called the YK Joshi, the Northern Command Command, and then there were troops.
12:33General Naravan said, Rajnath Singh said, how do you interpret it?
12:38Because I said, if I'm going to interpret it, I'm going to interpret it.
12:44That's the case.
12:46General Naravan said, you're going to interpret it.
12:56That's the case.
13:01I doubt the Minister of Defence doesn't have to be able to support it.
13:05The government is going to be able to support it in the government.
13:09But it's important.
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14:03in the army one the old saying is in the absence of orders assume what they ought to be in the absence of orders assume what they ought to be
14:24tactical battle area is has been Gran Mahaljan parallel in that farm body built the Ruby actually
14:30Gabon Valley nichts the movement, usually aэktcikall battle area built from Galvan Valley
14:33transformed into the Ruzangla Warngar, Kagar, Guru Mghol an welche mint
14:42that was overlooking. As in August he was made of lasagna post at 1962
14:48the operation hazim killed on our own
14:53It was overlooking the Chinese garrison, Modo garrison that was overlooking the Chinese garrison.
15:00They were destabilized and they were supported by infantry.
15:07Basically, in these areas, infantry supported by armour.
15:13In this situation, there was a history to this.
15:34In 1993, 1996, 2005, 2013, this pact,
15:40There is no embargo on taking arms, but there is an embargo on use of arms.
15:52Firing.
15:53Firing. There is no embargo.
15:55That is because of this particular order.
16:00That is the reason why he had to.
16:05And secondly, he won't know. What will he say?
16:10He won't know. What will he say?
16:12One division will move, one brigade will move, tanks will position.
16:17All that he will tell is,
16:19All that he will tell is,
16:20All that he will tell is,
16:22Who tactical battle area commander is here?
16:24Maybe a battalion commander or a brigade commander or a divisional commander.
16:27He is a man of about 10-12,000 infantry soldiers, commander.
16:36He has the idea.
16:38He has the terrain, build-up,
16:40How does he appreciate the battle?
16:43That is what he has to say.
16:45So, he has the action.
16:48That is,
16:49And we are talking about heights of 6,000 meters and above,
16:556,000 meters,
16:56Which is about 18,000 feet.
16:58Now,
16:59So, I think that is the only,
17:02That is freedom of action given to the local commander.
17:09That is our interpretation.
17:11Had it been anything else.
17:13So, free hand.
17:14Free hand to the troops.
17:17Secondly,
17:18This has to be seen in the backdrop of,
17:20This is isolated incident.
17:22In Pakistan,
17:23In 2016,
17:24In 2016,
17:25In 2019,
17:27In 2015,
17:28In 2015,
17:29In 2015,
17:31In 2015,
17:32In 2015,
17:33In 2015,
17:34In 2015,
17:35In 2015,
17:36In 2015,
17:37In remnants of international diplomats.
17:39Now,
17:40Purposelyh,
17:41Don't build infrastructure along the LAC.
17:42How can they help Chinese?
17:44On the floor of the house,
17:47Because we can teach,
17:47For this,
17:48Post Debug targeted of this 19-17
17:51First,
17:52In 2014,
17:57This has tricked the Chinese.
18:02This is the main point,
18:04From Dubrov to current country.
18:06Dubruk to DBO, almost about 250 odd kilometers along the Sherlock River.
18:15That's why we build the deployment faster, men and material movement faster.
18:22That's why we can't do it.
18:24In 2008, Congress government had a decision.
18:28But that's why we can't do it.
18:29Actually, on the ground, we can't do it.
18:32So this has hit the Chinese.
18:33So that is how various standoffs have taken place.
18:35So these are my opening comments.
18:48I think...
18:49Yes, Joshi, sir.
18:50You can't do it.
18:52You can't do it.
18:53You can't do it.
18:54You can't do it.
18:55You can't do it.
18:56You can't do it.
18:57You can't do it.
18:58You can't do it.
18:59You can't do it.
19:00You can't do it.
19:01You can't do it.
19:03But one important fact that the President is taking place is that they don't have to do it.
19:08Now, on the existing protocol on the China border, the existing protocol is that you will not open fire unless cleared at the topmost level.
19:21You can't do it.
19:23You can't do it.
19:24So, of course, General Narwani had to escalate the problem to the level of Rajnath Singh, Defense Minister, Ajit Doval, NSA, and Jay Shankar, our external affairs minister.
19:36And he kept asking them one question.
19:38What are my orders?
19:40So, because the existing protocol is not there, he is a question.
19:47Yes.
19:48If there is an existing protocol, we don't have a protocol on the Pakistan border.
19:55We don't have a local commander.
19:58He is a suitable reply.
20:02We don't have a problem.
20:06But in China, modernly, the situation is very different.
20:09The orders are very different.
20:11So, that is why General Narwani had to escalate the matter to the highest level in the field, in Delhi.
20:20So, he said that he said that Rajnath Singh said that he did.
20:27So, the Prime Minister has decided to hand over his responsibility to the local, I mean, army chief and to the local commanders.
20:39But in the other day, there was extreme possibility of this escalating into a major war between India and China.
20:50Because the tanks were coming almost 200-300 meters away from our tanks.
20:57Finally, you know, at about, soon after, Rajnath Singh says this,
21:03Chinese PLA commander has a message.
21:09He says, let us cool the situation.
21:13Let us have a meeting tomorrow morning at 9.30 and then we will consider the matter.
21:19Now, General Narwani tells General Joshi, you just do not open fire,
21:26but take your tanks as far as possible and put them in a position of offence,
21:31but put your cannon down, you know, right up to the eyeball to eyeball level.
21:38So, this is what exactly happens on that day, on the night of 29th, 30th August.
21:482020.
21:49So, this is where the dangerous situation is.
21:55So, but the matter was almost getting into a trigger point.
22:02The trigger point is that someone is firing.
22:07So, the causes belly comes to India, India will be blamed as an aggressor.
22:13So, I think General Narwani was right.
22:27This is a threat.
22:28So, the answer is, you know, the top leadership, you know, the PM is very familiar.
22:36The opposite direction is going to be on Toda, Supta.
22:39Prime Minister actually should have given a very decisive reply, either fire or do not
22:56fire.
22:58He should have said, I will take up the matter at the political level, do not escalate the
23:06matter and wait for a few more hours, because there is always a hotline connection between
23:14the DGMOs from Delhi and also with Beijing.
23:19We have got a hotline here in Pakistan, so we should have asked the DGMO in Beijing in
23:30the PLA Command Headquarters, if you are a local tactical commander, if you are a local
23:37tactical commander, you should approve this moon.
23:42That's why we have to ask questions.
23:46But anyway, now it is all wisdom and hindsight, that's useless.
23:52I think Prime Minister should have been more decisive because the chief of AVI staff is
24:05asking for a clear direction.
24:07That's right, Joshi Sahageri is a candidate.
24:14And then he is left in the Indo-Pakistan border.
24:17Then he is left in the Indo-China border.
24:20And now the leader is an open team, hasn't come to the government.
24:25they can't choose me
24:28I think I can't choose
24:29if they have a proper leadership
24:31so that's why I need a lot of technical subjects
24:34I think we should start at this point
24:36we have to move our Japan
24:39and we have to keep our defence
24:40it's not about how to get into it
24:43we are going to lose
24:45we are going to lose
24:47our homes in the eastern government
24:49we are going to have to live in Kashmir
24:51we haven't seen it
24:53He has a book that is not printed.
24:58That is why he is also a Penguin.
24:59I am a publisher, but he is also a Penguin.
25:01Still with the Defense Ministry.
25:03So, the government rules,
25:06the publisher has been published.
25:09And, you are confused about Rahul Gandhi.
25:12Rahul Gandhi's thoughts are the wrong ones.
25:17He is a magazine.
25:20There is an article in the Sushantakunt.
25:23Narvanes moment of truth.
25:26There is an article in the 90th page.
25:28The article has been published in the 80th page.
25:32The article has been published in the 80th page.
25:34It's not published in the 80th page.
25:38This is the 90th page.
25:40The leftists are the first.
25:42The India-biter and Modi-biter is the second.
25:45The first part is the ninth.
25:47The other is the second here.
25:49Now the first chapter is the two years.
25:51I can't believe.
25:53The other events are different.
25:55There is something different in this city.
25:57Tell me more about this.
25:59Joshua told me about this.
26:01There are many other protocols in the Indo-China border.
26:05Not exactly what it is.
26:07Do you believe in this city or the city?
26:09Do you believe in this city?
26:13No, let me explain.
26:15At the end of the day, the northern commander Jay Joshi had a phone.
26:20This time, the tankers had a phone.
26:22They had a phone with the CDC, the Defense Ministry, the Foreign Ministry, and the NAC.
26:29Even if you have such sensitive matters,
26:32what do you think about the government?
26:34The first answer is the Prime Minister.
26:37The Prime Minister said,
26:39we are notuts to date on China,
26:43we have no case about the treaty of border peace and tranquility agreement.
26:49What if you are charged?
26:51What am I getting the phone?
26:53If the administration is also able to contact China,
26:56if you are coming in today's message.
26:58That is the last time in the 1980s,
27:00China is the Major General.
27:03Lulin is being phoned for to the two Indian Army Chiefs.
27:06I was in the flattery, but weren't on the floor.
27:10When I got this door, I called myself at 4 and 9 rages.
27:14And they asked me to pay for the government.
27:17They came in advance to see the people who have heard so.
27:21At that time, the Defense Minister came with me,
27:26and they said to me,
27:27they said they were ill against the ground,
27:31and they said not to this matter,
27:33There is a difference between LOC and LASC.
27:37There is a line of control in Pakistan.
27:42So, if someone is going to touch the line of control, you will kill them.
27:48That is, the line of actual control is not a threat.
27:51It is not a threat. It is not a threat.
27:53It is not a threat. It is a military establishment.
27:56It is a threat.
27:58It is a threat.
27:59It is a threat that is about the threat.
28:05The threat is called, and in the law, the threat.
28:10The threat is not a threat.
28:11You will hate to understand that.
28:16It is a threat.
28:18So, you will have to document that threat.
28:21I will tell you that threat.
28:24it was a moment of profound isolation so Narwane on the map of JNK and Ladakh on the wall it
28:44could note a eastern command on another he could visualize the location of each and every unit
28:50and formation in quotes even on the unmarked maps a hundred different thoughts flashed across his mind
28:58country was reeling under covid economy was faltering global supply chains had fractured
29:07would we be able to endure a steady supply of spares etc under these conditions in case of a long
29:15drawn-out action who were our supporters in the global arena and what about the collusive threat
29:22from china and pakistan we are ready in all respects but i did not want really want to start the war
29:32oh but chief of army staff gay in town nirnay to go down to on du shakti saamatte
29:36is
29:47I'll read this one again.
29:50ismus.
29:51I can't speak to them and I can't speak to them.
29:54I can't speak to them.
29:55Congress and I can't speak.
29:57I can't speak to them and I can't speak to them.
30:00I can't speak to them.
30:02We should say that it's a national security thing.
30:05You can speak to them.
30:06You can speak to them when you speak to them every day.
30:09When I say that in 1962,
30:11I've been in China as a result of this year,
30:14I've been kicked to the Nagarov side of the country.
30:16I've been talking to them and I've been talking to them.
30:19We are speaking of history, we are speaking of history, we are speaking of history, we are speaking of history, so this is a serious issue, so this is a serious issue, so this is something which General Narvani has said,
30:43поэтому anyone pode infect us. I've texted myóski, I don't know doing the prank off to the Kemp толk��을, so they don't know me.
30:58If you don't have leadership, then you will lose your leadership.
31:02If you don't have the chief of army staff, then you will lose your leadership.
31:07Yes, it's true. Yes, it's true.
31:09Naturally, this is not going to be asked.
31:12The questions are not going to be asked.
31:14So, these are all very serious matters.
31:16In this case, if you don't want to talk about this,
31:20you don't want to talk about this.
31:22No, you don't want to talk about this country.
31:24You don't want to talk about Congress.
31:27You don't want to talk about this country.
31:32Rahul Gandhi is a question.
31:34It's not published in India.
31:36And the Ministry of Defence has not given permission.
31:39Yes, it's not.
31:40They don't want to talk about it.
31:44We don't want to talk about it.
31:46You don't want to talk about it.
31:49You don't want to talk about it.
31:50You don't want to talk about it.
31:52You don't want to talk about it.
31:55You don't want to talk about it.
31:57So, this is a very serious issue.
32:00It's a matter of national security.
32:02You don't want to talk about it.
32:04In this case, if you don't want to talk about it,
32:08in June, in Galvan,
32:10we are going to talk about it.
32:12We are going to talk about it.
32:14We are going to talk about it.
32:15We are going to talk about it.
32:16So, this is a very serious situation.
32:18You don't want to talk about it.
32:24I would like to talk about it.
32:25It's not a very serious situation.
32:28You don't want to talk about it.
32:30They don't want to talk about it.
32:30You don't want to talk about it.
32:32They don't want to talk about it.
32:34The Chief of Army Staff is a General General.
32:37Doval, Bipin, Ravat, Jayshankar, Rajnath Singh.
32:48Why don't they talk about the Prime Minister?
32:51The Prime Minister is going to be a part of the Prime Minister.
32:59But why don't they talk about the Prime Minister?
33:02The Prime Minister is like the division of Rhode Island up authentic
33:05and complex, especially all the president.
33:07He Sanders is like a chief member of the Prime Minister.
33:11Why don't they require the
33:26Going to war can never be a purely military decision. It is taken by a democratically elected political leadership. During the 1999 conflict and Atal Bihari Vajpayee, every action was debated and approved in meetings of the Cabinet Committee on Security.
33:46India's final decision making body on national security chaired by the Prime Minister. Memoirs from that period show CCS being able to own its decisions and issue clear directives to military commanders. The same was true of Indira Gandhi. Indira Gandhi during the 1971 war that led to the liberation of Bangladesh.
34:09We are a democratically elected country. This is a republic. Only the democratically elected Prime Minister can take a decision with regard to war.
34:24Political leadership has to take a decision.
34:27I will ask a small question. Indira Gandhi is a Prime Minister.
34:34General Manikshavur has to take a decision? Yes.
34:38General Manikshavur has to take a decision? Yes.
34:40General Manikshavur has to take a decision? Yes.
34:42I guarantee you 100% defeat.
34:44He is taking a decision. Yes.
34:46Oh, no.
34:47Yes.
34:48He is taking a decision in case of this war.
34:50He is taking a decision.
34:52He is taking a decision in case of this war.
34:53Take a decision in case of the war.
34:55For the war of a war.
34:56Whichever, there are extra questions of those in China.
34:59Right, there are many explanations.
35:00The objections of habeas and the objections.
35:01We don't have to debate.
35:02There is a question.
35:03Where do you decide?
35:04The question of Ravi Joshar and Mudri Sahihur.
35:08How do you interpret this, isn't it?
35:11It's important to interpret it.
35:13See, now we have a question.
35:15What is the question?
35:17The question is,
35:19the question is,
35:21the question is,
35:23the question is,
35:25the question is,
35:27the first problem is,
35:29the question is,
35:31the question is,
35:33you can't have the cake and eat it too.
35:35Either you allow,
35:37allow the publication,
35:39you don't have to be afraid.
35:41The question is,
35:43you don't have to be afraid.
35:45I don't agree with this.
35:47He's in a sensitive post.
35:49He's one of the chief army staff.
35:51We're all born by the Official Secret Act
35:53of 1923.
35:55He's not a chain of command,
35:59communication,
36:01built up to the decision.
36:03So, there are sensitive matters
36:07which you can't quote.
36:09The public cannot come to know about all this.
36:11The Official Secret Act of 1923
36:13is in direct conflict with
36:15RTA of 2005.
36:17It's not a debate.
36:19But now,
36:21you can't write everything
36:23for the public domain.
36:25It's not a debate.
36:27It's not a debate.
36:29This is not an event.
36:31This is not an event of yesterday.
36:33This is not an event of yesterday.
36:35It's not an incident.
36:37It's not an incident.
36:39It's not an incident.
36:41This is history.
36:43It's been a long time.
36:45It's 1962.
36:47It's been a long time.
36:49In 1962,
36:51we were just
36:53independent.
36:55It's been a long time.
36:57It's been a long time.
36:59It's been a long time.
37:01It's been a long time.
37:03It's been a long time.
37:05It's been a long time.
37:07You know,
37:08what time Maxim wrote in 1962?
37:09After the Battle of Raja.
37:11It was R2 complex.
37:13It was a complex complex.
37:15In the battle,
37:17121 people were there.
37:19Company commander.
37:21Company commander along with all soldiers.
37:23114 people were killed by China.
37:25No.
37:27Six people were captured at PW's.
37:29One chap returned from that battle
37:31to tell the whole story
37:32how this battle was fought.
37:33You know what he writes?
37:37He says,
37:38everybody had a bullet on their chest
37:40or not on their back.
37:41You know what Time magazine wrote
37:44after 1962 operations?
37:46Indian soldier needs everything
37:48except courage.
37:49Courage is one thing
37:50that he has in abundance.
37:51Everything else was lacking.
37:53Equipment was not there.
37:54arms were not there.
37:56Ammunition was not there.
37:58Everything was not there.
37:59Decisiveness is not there.
38:00Decisiveness is not about
38:03oh,
38:04that is not decisiveness.
38:06Oh, I have given you free hand.
38:07No, that is not decisiveness.
38:08Building up to that fight.
38:10Six years,
38:11seven years,
38:12ten years,
38:13eleven years.
38:14You have to equip your army.
38:15You have to train your army.
38:16You have to strengthen your army.
38:17That is decisiveness.
38:18Contrary,
38:19Prime Minister,
38:20what do you say?
38:21What do you say?
38:22Political leadership,
38:23what do you say?
38:24What do you say?
38:25What do you say?
38:26What do you say?
38:27What do you say?
38:28What do you say?
38:29What do you say?
38:30What do you say?
38:31What do you say?
38:32Prime Minister.
38:33No, no.
38:34See, first is,
38:35he should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:37He should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:39He is after all speaking to the chief of army staff.
38:43And he is working for him.
38:45He was his choice.
38:46Actually, General Naravani,
38:47he should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:49He should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:50I don't know,
38:51I have forgotten the name.
38:52No, no.
38:53No, there was another person who was in line.
38:54There was no other person.
38:55I will give you the history behind this.
38:56That's okay.
38:57But he should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:59That's okay.
39:00The first thing is,
39:01Prime Minister should have come online.
39:02First,
39:03he should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
39:05Given direction,
39:07find out what the ground realities are.
39:10Then say,
39:12see,
39:13these are my,
39:14just like,
39:15These are the ones that are in a military,
39:17the field marshal,
39:18Manek Shah and Indra Gandhi.
39:19He should have come online.
39:20Then play the rules.
39:21They are playing the rules.
39:22The rules are playing the rules.
39:23They are playing the rules.
39:24They are playing the rules.
39:25So,
39:26that's right.
39:27You have to say,
39:28that's right.
39:29That's right.
39:30That's right.
39:32That's right.
39:33They are playing the rules.
39:34Ultimately,
39:35you must understand one thing.
39:39This is a very serious situation.
39:41Extremely serious situation.
39:43They are not getting 1 km away.
39:49They are not getting tanks.
39:51They are not getting tanks.
39:55They are not getting tanks.
40:01They are still progressing forward.
40:03In a critical period, Prime Minister should show leadership.
40:09That is why they are not going to leave.
40:13See, the thing is, tanks do not move like that.
40:16It is not a terrain for tanks to move.
40:18Tanks will only stand and fire.
40:20Where tanks move, they are in deserts.
40:22Actually, tanks are meant for deserts.
40:24High-altitude region in the direct firing role,
40:27it is a deterrent.
40:32It can't move.
40:34There is limited line of communication and movement.
40:37There is a line of communication.
40:39It is a high mountain.
40:40It is a high movement movement.
40:42You have to talk about operational details.
40:46The system is talking about.
40:48The Prime Minister is not going to fire.
40:50No, I don't agree with that.
40:52He doesn't know.
40:54The tactical battle area is talking about.
40:58Yes.
40:59Joshi Sir, I am watching it.
41:00I have to talk about,
41:01it is a situation where you can talk about
41:03that.
41:04Joshi Sir, I know,
41:05the time is a question.
41:06The system is that more,
41:08if you have to come and say,
41:09at the end of the time,
41:11it is said that you will make the position.
41:13What am I telling you?
41:14How do you say that?
41:15The decision to go to war must be taken by political leadership, not by the army.
41:37The army cannot push the country into war.
41:40That will be extremely reckless on the part of the army to do that.
41:43They will raise the matter at the political level.
41:50There is a cabinet committee on security, there is a China study group.
41:57China study group is an informal body but the cabinet committee on security is a formal body.
42:01That is preceded by the Prime Minister.
42:04There is a defense minister, NSA, external affairs minister.
42:08The economic fallout, the political fallout, the diplomatic fallout and whether we will get the support of Russia or US in the context.
42:28That is why we are taking a decision to be taken.
42:34Ravi Joshi sir.
42:36Ravi Joshi sir.
42:37He is not a formal man.
42:38Ravi Joshi sir.
42:39It is a no-tank tank.
42:41Yes.
42:42It is not a full-fledged war.
42:45and the government has been in full-fledged war.
42:48Or, what did he say to me about political leadership?
42:53He told me about it.
42:55What did I say to you?
43:00If you have attacked the first time,
43:03what did he say to you?
43:05Actually you know our tanks were medium battered tanks.
43:16Our tanks were far superior to the Chinese tanks and General Joshi could have easily taken
43:21upon those tanks and would have destroyed the tanks.
43:25But you have a direct question, the question is there is a protocol there.
43:35On the China border the generals cannot fire, there is a fist fight, they are fighting
43:47with clubs and they all have weapons but they are not using the weapons because of this rule
43:54that you cannot fire.
43:56So that rule is held sacrosanct.
44:02So that rule violates monarchy and General Narvani is clear.
44:09Yes.
44:10Yes.
44:11Yes.
44:12H.N. Chandrasekhar.
44:13So that's why we have a question.
44:14Yes.
44:15Yes.
44:16Yes.
44:17Yes.
44:18Yes.
44:19Yes.
44:20Yes.
44:21Yes.
44:22Yes.
44:23Yes.
44:24Yes.
44:25Yes.
44:26Yes.
44:27Yes.
44:28Yes.
44:29Yes.
44:30Yes.
44:31Yes.
44:33Yes.
44:34Yes.
44:38Yes.
44:39So, there are no words in the magazine.
44:44In terms of the defense and security,
44:47they have permission to be complete and access.
44:51It's about 119 or 119,
44:53and there's a letter from Anderson.
44:55You don't have permission.
44:57You don't have permission.
44:58You don't have permission.
44:59You don't have permission.
45:00Look at this.
45:02It's about escalating.
45:05It's about escalating.
45:07That escalating.
45:09That escalating.
45:11You don't have permission to be here.
45:13You have permission to be here.
45:15Even if you have permission to be here.
45:17You have permission to be here.
45:19If you need permission to be here.
45:21If you will come here.
45:23Absolutely.
45:25That's right.
45:27The local command of the regime.
45:29The regime of the regime.
45:31So, that's the problem.
45:33If you have permission,
45:35He took the ditcher to fire.
45:41Sir, last comment.
45:42Now last comment, Mudri Sir.
45:44Mudri Sir.
45:45Pushtak yak release.
45:46That's not a confusion.
45:47That's not a confusion.
45:48That's not a confusion.
45:49But you must see the background.
45:50Narwani, in 2021,
45:52he retired in April.
45:54In 2020,
46:04Narwani would have become the CDS.
46:17Actually, he was the most eligible person to become CDS after Rawat.
46:22For nine months,
46:23CDS posed to Phillip.
46:26In the month of June-July,
46:28government tweaked the eligibility criteria for CDS.
46:33He was the three-star general.
46:35Anil Chavana was the only one.
46:36He was the only one.
46:38He was the only one.
46:40Otherwise, Narwani did not find favour with the government even while in service.
46:46So, some publication houses do not release.
46:48Why is it not written to MOD to release the book?
46:53They want to raise all such things so that book sells well also.
46:59Yes.
47:00Last comment.
47:01Yes.
47:02Last comment.
47:03Yes.
47:04Last comment.
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