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00:00Good morning, it is Thursday the 5th of February. I'm Maeve McMahon and this is Europe Today.
00:21Your daily dose of European news and analysis, live here on Euronews.
00:26Coming up, the EU has agreed on a much needed 90 billion cash injection for war-torn Ukraine.
00:33This as the tables begin to slightly turn on Vladimir Putin's diplomatic isolation.
00:39Estonia, Latvia and Luxembourg are now joining calls by France, Austria, the Czech Republic and Italy to re-engage in communications with the Kremlin.
00:49Diplomatic ties broke down in February 2022 after Russia's illegal full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
00:55Meanwhile, a second day of US-led peace talks get underway today in the United Arab Emirates.
01:01Our EU editor, Maria Tadeo reports now from there.
01:04Good morning. Indeed, talks between Russia and Ukraine took place last night in Abu Dhabi, brokered by the United States of America.
01:13Ukrainian sources saying that the talks were, quote, constructive, but the European Union is still not at the negotiating table.
01:21And that is bringing up a fundamental question. What's it going to take for the EU to be represented?
01:27Also, last night, revelations that the main diplomat for the French president, Emmanuel Macron, traveled to Moscow this week.
01:35The French president has been saying now, as you know, for weeks that the Europeans need to establish now a sort of direct communication diplomatic channel with both Ukraine and Russia to be able to inject momentum into negotiations.
01:50And the technical talks, at least on a technical level, should begin as soon as possible.
01:55To that extent, we spoke with the prime minister of Latvia, Ivika Selina, here at the World Governments Forum.
02:01And she told us it is clear that someone at the stage will have to be appointed to be this EU special envoy, someone that is respected by Ukraine, also the EU 27, but in particular playing a coordination role so that the EU is represented at the table.
02:18Let's take a look.
02:19We started this negotiation about, yes, we really need an envoy. Probably the question is who it will be. And I think we have many options. I'm ready to go if it's needed.
02:29But I think as well, European leaders from Germany or France should be the ones, as well as the UK, which is a member of coalition of willing, should be the ones who are actually at the table together with Americans, helping Ukraine to be in those very tough negotiations.
02:47So just so we understand, and Europeans obviously watching our show understand, there was a time in which the idea of talking directly to Russia was seen as a negative thing.
02:57There was the idea that Russia had to be isolated as a punishment for starting the war.
03:02What you're saying now is that approach needs to change, and it's not something dramatic of negative.
03:08Talking to Russia now, it's simply realpolitik. The EU needs to engage with them.
03:12I think you need to engage in diplomacy. You always need to talk. But we need to isolate and still, yes, have sanctions on Russia, have this push on Russia's income for them to not be able to boost up their military.
03:27Because they're attacking Ukrainians. Why they're freezing? That's because Russia is still attacking just the innocent people.
03:34And that is where we need to isolate Russia even more, not just European countries, but all of the countries.
03:40But we have to be at negotiations table because Ukrainians themselves have started to negotiate. So why should Europeans not to negotiate?
03:51Do you have an idea, a profile, someone that would make the 27 feel comfortable and represented? It's a tough job to fill.
03:59I think there could be three leaders from Europe as it was before. I would always support as well our good friend Donald Tusk from Poland,
04:09because he really understands the mentality of Russians. And it could be Mertz. It could be whatever who wants.
04:17Macron maybe is ready. But I think we need to include Keir Starmer from UK because he's the one who is leading coalition of willing as well.
04:25And that's a very important point because we've seen this week. There's a sort of closer now relationship again with the UK and the EU.
04:32The UK says they want to give the safe joining this program with defence another try.
04:38Do you want them to participate in this union of defence when it comes to the EU, but also Europe?
04:43You know, I think it's a good point where as never before since Brexit, we are as close to UK and we need to have good ties as Europeans.
04:55I'm now speaking from European perspective because as Europeans, we really need those good relationships.
05:01We don't need to isolate ourselves. So therefore, I think we need to put closer UK because they are actually working together in those coalition of willing talks with Ukraine and helping a lot Ukraine as well.
05:14And this is about peace in Europe and the UK is Europe.
05:18And so you say the UK in the safe universe mechanism. That's a good idea. It's a natural partner.
05:24It's a natural partner. It could be. It could be. But it depends. Are UK as well then delivering some finances?
05:30And they got to pay. Yes, they got to pay because those resources are from European funds, European Union funds.
05:36So if UK want to be in, they have to as well finance something of a safe instrument.
05:44Maria today reporting for us there and we'll hear from her a little bit later in the program.
05:48But of course, during those talks today in Abu Dhabi, attacks are continuing to pound Ukraine with a massive strike in Odessa just yesterday and Kyiv overnight.
05:57For more, we can get up to speed with our Ukraine correspondent, Sasha Vakilini, who's here with me in the studio.
06:02Good morning, Sasha. Any results so far from the talks in Abu Dhabi?
06:07I've heard that word productive mentioned again.
06:09Well, that's the word that we heard after the first round as well, Maeve.
06:12And as we said back then, the most productive thing about these talks is the fact that they do take place.
06:17And the day two starts and continues today in Abu Dhabi.
06:22So far, what we heard from Volodymyr Zelenskyy was that there is one important result.
06:27There might be a new prisoners of war exchange that might take place as soon as today.
06:33This is very important for Ukraine also because Russia halted those exchanges somewhere by the end of last year.
06:39And Ukraine has been trying and insisting on bringing back and exchanging those prisoners of war.
06:44Zelenskyy also said yesterday that 55,000 of Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
06:53That is why for Ukraine it's so important to have a proper, long-lasting and just deal.
06:58Let's take a listen.
07:00The war must end for real. It is Russia that must be ready for this.
07:10And our partners must also be ready to answer this with real guarantees, security guarantees, and real pressure on the aggressor.
07:18And so that the people in Ukraine can feel that the situation is really moving towards peace, towards the end of the war,
07:24and not towards the Russians using everything to their advantage and continuing their attacks.
07:29Everything to yourself, to your use, and to continue the attack.
07:33President Volodymyr Zelenskyy there. And what about the Russian side? What have they been saying, Sasha?
07:37Well, the Russian side traditionally is blaming Ukraine for putting certain obstacles, as Moscow claims, saying that Russia does want peace now.
07:45They don't say what conditions do they want this peace or truce upon.
07:49An interesting message came yesterday in Russian-Kremlin-affiliated media outlets, saying that the U.S. President Donald Trump's plan also includes Ukraine's possible accession to the European Union in 2027.
08:03And they are attributing this to Russian sources at the talks in Abu Dhabi. Quite interesting to hear it from Russians.
08:10Indeed. We will follow that very closely. Sasha Vakilina, thank you so much for that update.
08:14Well, amidst all the uncertainty around ending the war in Ukraine, some good news has surfaced here in Brussels.
08:21The EU countries have sealed a deal on a €90 billion loan for Ukraine. Our Jakob Janos tells us why this lifeline is so crucial.
08:31By April, Ukraine's budget will be empty and unable to tap into Russia's frozen assets last December.
08:40Brussels triggered Plan B, a massive €90 billion loan raised through joint debt.
08:47But not everyone will participate. Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia secured a total opt-out.
08:54So, €30 billion will keep the state running, paying doctors, teachers and pensioners.
09:00The lion's share, though, €60 billion is for defence. And since yesterday, the deal is finally locked in.
09:08But Europeans were split. France was leading the Bi-European team, and they insisted EU taxpayer money must support EU factories.
09:19After all, if billions are to be spent, they wanted the cash to stay on the continent.
09:25But Germany and the Netherlands argued Europe lacks the luxury of time.
09:30If Ukraine needs certain weaponry today, and the EU doesn't have it, Europe must buy them from somewhere else, such as South Korea, the US and the UK.
09:43And speaking of London, can they get a slice of this €90 billion pie?
09:48After yesterday's breakthrough, the answer is yes. But it is strictly pay-to-play.
09:55British companies can bid for these contracts, but only if London pays a fair share of the borrowing costs.
10:03So right now, only the European Parliament needs to vote. And they promise to move fast, because with the April deadline, there is no time to waste.
10:15Finally, Ukraine only repays this loan if Russia pays for the damages.
10:20And since Moscow isn't paying up, this debt might never be called in.
10:29Jakub Janis and Jorge Libreira reporting for us there.
10:33And as you heard, that check still needs the green light from the European Parliament.
10:37That could come during a special sitting on 24th February.
10:41That's exactly four years since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
10:45But now for the view from Poland on the ongoing war and more.
10:49We hear from Rafael Troskowski, a former member of the European Parliament and the Mayor of Warsaw since 2018.
10:55He's affiliated with the Prime Minister Donald Tusk's Civic Platform Party.
11:00Rafael Troskowski joined me yesterday here in the studio.
11:03And I started by asking him whether he had any hope of a breakthrough in Abu Dhabi today.
11:08Well, I hope that however this war ends is going to be agreed with Ukraine and that Ukrainian priorities will be upheld.
11:18Because we need to remember that it was Russia who attacked viciously Ukraine.
11:22And I think that every crazy dictator in the world is watching whether the West will be united, whether we will be strong.
11:27And being involved, does that mean then speaking, reopening the channels of communication with the Kremlin as President Macron has suggested?
11:34Or would that just be rewarding aggression?
11:36I mean, the most important thing is that President Zelensky's and the voice of the Ukrainian people has heard.
11:43And I think that we cannot try to come up with ideas that are going to be unacceptable for Ukraine.
11:50This is the most important thing. And I think that we should simply focus on that and not try to come up to a solution which is going to be unacceptable for the people who are attacked.
11:58Because that's going to be completely counterproductive and it will have a negative impact on the credibility of Europe, but also on the credibility of the United States.
12:07And there's lots at stake for Poland here, of course, a neighboring country. Are the Europeans having enough of a say, do you believe, in these talks?
12:13I don't think so. And I think that there will be no solution. There will be no security. There will be no rebuilding Ukraine without our involvement.
12:21So that's why it is absolutely fundamental for the Europeans to be involved and for our voice to be heard.
12:27And we also do not fudge the issue who was the aggressor. It was Russia.
12:32And we want to help the Ukrainians now in these very dire circumstances when they're being attacked all the time, viciously, the civil population, my sister city Kyiv and Kharkiv.
12:43And also after when it comes to rebuilding Ukraine and opening up the European perspective for our friends.
12:49And how are you making sure that you can keep that momentum on supporting your neighbor Ukraine, but also not harming your own security in Poland?
12:56We are strengthening our security as much as we can. We are investing almost 5% of our GDP in defense.
13:01We are strengthening our eastern border. We are investing as much as we can.
13:05We are taking responsibility ourselves, exactly as President Trump wanted.
13:09Now, we need to convince other Europeans to do the same. But at the same time, we need to be helping the Ukrainians,
13:14because they were actually fighting for our freedom and they were providing us security.
13:19They were giving us breathing space when it comes to rebuilding our security because the Russian threat is there.
13:24And if this war ends with Putin's success, then this is the gravest threat for the European security.
13:31And how real is the threat that there could potentially be an invasion in your country in Poland?
13:35Well, I don't think that there is a great threat because fortunately, I mean, the Russians got their teeth knocked out by the Ukrainians.
13:42But if we give them breathing space, I mean, if we give them arguments and time to actually rebuild their military, unfortunately, they might stride back.
13:51They might just wait and then come back and test our resilience.
13:54I mean, they're doing it every time, you know, every day. There is a hybrid warfare everywhere. Misinformation, sabotage and so on and so forth.
14:01We need to be ready. We need to be resilient. Also when it comes to the cities. And that's what we're doing in Warsaw.
14:05We're strengthening our resilience. We're learning from our Ukrainian friends and at the same time helping them in the time of distress,
14:11when there are those temperatures minus 30 and Kyiv is freezing. We're helping as much as we can.
14:17And you mentioned President Trump earlier. What do you think of his Board of Peace? Why isn't Poland joining us?
14:22We are looking into President Trump's initiatives because at the end of the day, we want to keep the Americans involved.
14:27This is very, very important. This is not a question of emotions. This is not a question. We are serious people.
14:32This is not a question of judging someone's behavior at a given moment. It's a question of European security.
14:39We need to be together because if Europe and the United States will not be together, all of our enemies, all of our foes will open champagne bottles.
14:47So we need to be aware of that.
14:49Does this administration, though, sometimes make you feel like you have to pick or choose Brussels or Washington DC?
14:55Well, if you listen to President Trump's carefully, I mean, he said Europe should take more responsibility, right?
15:00He said there should be no free riding. Well, we understand it in Poland. We understand it in the Baltic Republic.
15:05So now it's a question of convincing other Europeans, OK, let's strengthen our capabilities, let's strengthen our credibility.
15:12And this is, in a sense, a response to the wishes of the of the American administration.
15:16And at the same time, we, of course, need to keep the Americans involved because those are our closest allies.
15:23And if the threats are elsewhere, we should be absolutely certain that those relations are as good as they can be.
15:29And even if the Americans want to focus on other parts of the world, they need to be sure that someone has their back.
15:36And it's us, the Europeans.
15:38And we've seen the comments of Mario Draghi this week, the former head of the European Central Bank, saying that the EU needs to move from a confederation to a federation.
15:46That countries start need to be huddling together and moving on their own pace. What are your views on that?
15:51I don't like these labels because they do not really describe the union, which is, you know, a beautiful construct because it's so original and unique.
15:59There are areas in which we need more integration, like defence, that's for sure.
16:04I'm not dogmatic. I don't think that we need integration, more integration in every field.
16:10Maybe there are places in which we integrated ourselves too much.
16:13I mean, we need a bit more flexibility. We need to be self-sufficient.
16:16But yes, there are issues like defence, like capital markets, where we need more integration in order to be a real player in the world.
16:24Rafael Trostovsky there on a number of challenges facing the EU today.
16:31But another major development we're watching closely for you is the US-Iran nuclear talks that are set to take place tomorrow in Oman.
16:39Fear over further escalation in the Middle East has been a dark cloud over this year's World Government Summit taking place in Dubai, as Maria Tadeo now reports.
16:49Good morning, indeed. The second big geopolitical question of the day is, of course, Iran.
16:54That after the US president said the Supreme Leader should be, quote, very worried if he does not agree to engage in serious talks over the country's nuclear program.
17:03That after a whole day of confusion, big confusion over whether or not a meeting between a delegation from the US and Iran would go ahead and take place this week.
17:13There were big questions over the format, the timing, the location.
17:18Yesterday night finally confirmed this bilateral meeting between Iran and the US will indeed go ahead this week.
17:25It will take place on Friday in Oman.
17:28The message, however, coming out of this region in the UAE, but also the Gulf and beyond, is that a regional war can still be avoided and that this is really the time for Iran to be serious in their diplomatic engagements with the US.
17:43Yesterday, on that note, I spoke with the Prime Minister of Lebanon, Nawaf Salam, who told us he will not allow his country to get involved into this conflict, but also repeated this is really not the time for stability or instability, I should note, after three very difficult years in the Middle East.
18:00Let's take a look.
18:01The stability of the region comes first for us.
18:04Definitely anything that we avoid an all out war in the in the region is be more than welcome.
18:13As far as everyone is concerned, I've said like to reaffirm that the question of war and peace is in the hands of the government and solely of the government.
18:26But unfortunately, I mean, we have we still have to take care of parts of the South that are occupied by Israel.
18:34We have to take care of daily violations of our sovereignty by Israel.
18:40And we still need to liberate a number of our citizens who have been captured by Israel.
18:49And doing so only perpetuates conflict in the region, undermine my government's efforts to, uh, uh, uh, no, I mean, not, not to, uh, to express state authority over the whole country and only fuels instability.
19:08And you can catch the rest of that issue on your news.com.
19:13But that does bring this edition of Europe today to an end.
19:16Thanks for tuning in.
19:17Bye from Brussels.
19:18Bye from Brussels.
19:48Bye.
19:49Bye.
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