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The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell 12826 MS NOW Today Jan 28, 2026
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00:00Well, being Stephen Miller means never having to say you're sorry.
00:05After the murder of Alex Preddy on Saturday morning by agents,
00:10sent to Minneapolis by Donald Trump at Stephen Miller's urging...
00:15Stephen Miller decided it was his turn.
00:20To fire shots at Alex Preddy, and he did.
00:25We've all seen the video of the most cowardly federal agents ever...
00:30caught on video calmly walking backwards.
00:35Backing away from Alex Preddy.
00:40As they were firing at least six additional...
00:45shots into that motionless body, lying face down in the...
00:50pavement, completely unthreatening to anyone.
00:55There is no evidence in any of the videos that the first shot...
01:00got fired at Alex Preddy from inches away from his body was...
01:05justified.
01:06No evidence justifying even the first shot.
01:10And it's very likely that that shot fired at such close range...
01:15killed Alex Preddy.
01:16And what is also very clear in the videos about that...
01:20the first shot is that one of the agents had already removed...
01:25Alex Preddy's licensed handgun from Alex Preddy's right hip.
01:30A handgun that Alex Preddy never touched during the incident.
01:35All the videos prove that.
01:36The videos show one agent reaching down...
01:40grabbing that handgun and rushing it away...
01:45so that every shot fired at Alex Preddy was...
01:50fired at a completely unarmed man.
01:55There is absolutely no conceivable legal justification for it.
02:00any of the shots fired at that unarmed man.
02:05The possible human explanation for the shots include...
02:10panic, abject fear, stupidity...
02:15incompetence...
02:17recklessness...
02:18and indeed vicious...
02:20that we have seen displayed...
02:22by those federal agents in so many situations.
02:25on those streets.
02:26But none of those emotional reasons are legal justification.
02:30every one of the agents around Alex Preddy's body...
02:34every...
02:35every one of them...
02:36could fully...
02:37and easily...
02:38see...
02:39the entire...
02:40majority...
02:41of Alex Preddy's body...
02:42as they were backing away from him...
02:44they could all...
02:45see what he was doing...
02:46and they could all see...
02:47what he was not doing...
02:48meaning...
02:49he was...
02:50not...
02:50moving...
02:51and only two...
02:53of the six agents...
02:54in...
02:55equal positions...
02:56to fire...
02:57on Alex Preddy...
02:58decided...
02:59that he...
03:00should be shot...
03:01the proof...
03:02of the illegitimacy...
03:03and the...
03:04outright...
03:05criminality...
03:06of the shooting...
03:07of Alex Preddy...
03:08is the number of agents...
03:09in exactly the same...
03:10positions...
03:11who didn't even reach for their guns...
03:13because they saw...
03:14absolutely no...
03:15reason...
03:16to reach for a gun...
03:18because they knew...
03:19that Alex...
03:20Alex Preddy...
03:21never...
03:22presented a threat...
03:23to anybody...
03:25but those shots...
03:26kept coming...
03:27as many...
03:28as 10 shots...
03:29and...
03:30always remember...
03:31in this case...
03:32that the strongest...
03:33prosecution...
03:34evidence...
03:35about just...
03:36how unreasonable...
03:37it was...
03:38to shoot...
03:39Alex Preddy...
03:40is...
03:40committed...
03:41by every...
03:42federal agent...
03:43there...
03:44in exactly...
03:45the same...
03:45opposition...
03:46who did not...
03:47shoot him...
03:48because...
03:49they all...
03:50knew...
03:51that there was...
03:52nothing...
03:53threatening...
03:54to them...
03:55they were...
03:56experienced...
03:55facing...
03:56exactly...
03:57the same threat...
03:58from Alex Preddy...
03:59which was...
04:00no threat...
04:01at all...
04:00and no reasonable...
04:01human being...
04:02would ever...
04:03have fired a shot...
04:04at Alex Preddy...
04:05lying...
04:05he was...
04:06down...
04:07on that...
04:08pavement...
04:09that's what...
04:10makes it...
04:11murder...
04:12and...
04:13Saturday...
04:14morning...
04:10Stephen Miller...
04:11heard about it...
04:12in Washington...
04:13he decided...
04:14now...
04:15it was...
04:15his turn...
04:16Stephen Miller...
04:17decided...
04:18he needed...
04:19needed...
04:20to get his...
04:20shot...
04:21in...
04:22at Alex Preddy...
04:23and so...
04:24he did...
04:25Stephen Miller's...
04:26weapon of choice...
04:27for his participation...
04:28in the assassination...
04:29of Alex Preddy...
04:30was...
04:30not a handgun...
04:31it was...
04:32his phone...
04:33it was...
04:34his social...
04:35media...
04:36account...
04:37with Alex Preddy's...
04:38parents...
04:39Susan and Michael Preddy...
04:40and his younger sister...
04:41Michaela Preddy...
04:42reeling...
04:43in the pain...
04:44and the agony...
04:45of the news...
04:46of the sudden...
04:47death...
04:48of Alex Preddy...
04:50Stephen Miller...
04:52used his...
04:53social media...
04:54account...
04:55to call...
04:56Alex Preddy...
04:57quote...
04:58a domestic...
04:59terrorist...
05:00and to describe...
05:02what Alex Preddy...
05:03did...
05:04when he was trying...
05:05to help a woman...
05:05who was being...
05:06illegally...
05:07assaulted...
05:08by federal...
05:09agents...
05:10as...
05:10a domestic...
05:11terrorist...
05:12tried to attack...
05:13federal...
05:14law enforcement...
05:15that was a lie...
05:16Stephen Miller...
05:17said...
05:18Alex Preddy...
05:19was trying...
05:20to assassinate...
05:21them...
05:22that was a lie...
05:23Stephen Miller...
05:24knew that was a lie...
05:25when he said that...
05:26the video...
05:27was already public...
05:28proving that...
05:29that was a lie...
05:30did Stephen Miller...
05:31pause...
05:32to say to himself...
05:33maybe I shouldn't...
05:34try to use...
05:35this one...
05:36for propaganda...
05:37maybe there are...
05:38some suffering...
05:39parents out there...
05:40or maybe there's...
05:41a suffering...
05:42little sister out there...
05:43did just a...
05:44flicker...
05:45of...
05:45humanity...
05:46passed through...
05:47Stephen Miller's...
05:48depraved...
05:49mind...
05:50as he was...
05:50willfully...
05:51typing that lie...
05:52into his...
05:53weapon of choice...
05:54his...
05:55phone...
05:56the only person...
05:58working for...
05:59Donald Trump...
06:00being more cruel...
06:01than Donald Trump...
06:02is Stephen Miller...
06:03and so...
06:04the answer is...
06:05no...
06:05we have a right...
06:06to believe...
06:07that not one...
06:08humane...
06:09thought...
06:10went through...
06:11Stephen Miller's...
06:12mind...
06:13about the man...
06:14whose character...
06:15he decided...
06:15to assassinate...
06:17after Donald Trump's...
06:18agents...
06:19assassinated...
06:20did Stephen Miller...
06:22think...
06:23I wonder what he...
06:24does for a living...
06:25what if he does...
06:25something honorable...
06:26for a living...
06:27is there anything...
06:28that could happen...
06:29that could make...
06:30my declaration...
06:30that he's a domestic...
06:31terrorist...
06:32intent...
06:33on assassinating...
06:34federal agents...
06:35somehow...
06:36come back...
06:37to haunt me...
06:38Stephen Miller...
06:39of course...
06:40the problem...
06:40is...
06:41nothing...
06:42can haunt...
06:43Stephen Miller...
06:45and so...
06:46reports indicate...
06:47that Stephen Miller...
06:48has been having...
06:49a rough time...
06:50for the first time...
06:51in his life...
06:52in the Trump White House...
06:53according to...
06:54the New York Times...
06:55Stephen Miller...
06:55shut out...
06:56of an important meeting...
06:57Monday night...
06:58that went on...
06:59for two hours...
07:00in the Oval Office...
07:01with Kristi Noem...
07:00about this...
07:01very crisis...
07:02Kristi Noem...
07:03who was undoubtedly...
07:04pleading her case...
07:05to tell Trump...
07:06about why...
07:07it wasn't her fault...
07:08that everything...
07:09they said...
07:10about Alex...
07:11was a lie...
07:10and everything...
07:11they're doing...
07:12in Minneapolis...
07:13has gotten...
07:14out of control...
07:15Stephen Miller...
07:15stepped out...
07:16of that meeting...
07:17and that makes it...
07:18extremely likely...
07:19that Donald Trump...
07:20was extremely...
07:20displeased...
07:21by that time...
07:22with Stephen Miller's...
07:23role in this situation...
07:24and 24 hours later...
07:25Stephen Miller...
07:26who has been...
07:27forced...
07:28to remain silent...
07:29was also...
07:30forced...
07:30to put out...
07:31a written...
07:32statement...
07:33and this is not...
07:34the kind of thing...
07:35that Stephen Miller...
07:35does...
07:36Stephen Miller...
07:37and Kristi Noem...
07:38like to go...
07:39on Fox...
07:40and celebrate...
07:41their savage...
07:40and celebrate...
07:41their cruelty...
07:42and boast about it...
07:43as loudly...
07:44and publicly...
07:45they can...
07:46and Stephen Miller...
07:47was obviously...
07:48ordered...
07:49by Donald Trump...
07:50to somehow...
07:50publicly...
07:51dismantle...
07:52his lies...
07:53about...
07:54Alex...
07:55and so...
07:56late last night...
07:57Stephen Miller...
07:58put out...
07:59a written...
08:00statement...
08:01he didn't...
08:02go on...
08:03Sean Hannity...
08:04and he was...
08:05allowed...
08:06to do that...
08:07didn't go on...
08:08a podcast...
08:09just put out...
08:09a written...
08:09statement, very un-Steven Miller-like, very low-key.
08:14Very low visibility.
08:17The statement Stephen Miller put out,
08:19doesn't say, I'm sorry.
08:23Stephen Miller.
08:24Stephen Miller tries to blame others for his lies that he...
08:29chose to deliver to this country.
08:32His written statement says,
08:34the initial statement from the Department of Homeland Security
08:36was based on reports from Customs...
08:39and Border Patrol on the ground.
08:41Additionally, the White House provided clear guidance
08:43to the Department of Homeland Security.
08:44That the extra personnel that had been sent to Minnesota
08:47for force protection should be used...
08:49for conducting fugitive operations to create
08:52a physical barrier between the...
08:54the arrest teams and the disruptors.
08:56We are evaluating why the Border Patrol team...
08:59may not have been following protocol.
09:02It was a Customs and Border Patrol team that...
09:04murdered Alex Breddy.
09:05And now Stephen Miller is saying,
09:07they weren't supposed to go there and murder...
09:09protesters.
09:10That wasn't the protocol.
09:11They were simply supposed to create a arrest team.
09:14and protestor teams...
09:16and make it all work together very smoothly.
09:18Stephen Miller.
09:19Now says,
09:20they may not have been following protocol.
09:24That's his phrase for murder.
09:27And he's right.
09:28They were not following...
09:29any legal protocol on that street...
09:32at any moment in those videos.
09:34And today, the White House decided...
09:37they had to ask...
09:39a clean up...
09:40to Stephen Miller's pathetic attempt...
09:42to clean up his statement.
09:44the White House...
09:45the White House continuing its rhetorical retreat...
09:49issued this statement...
09:50about Stephen Miller's retreat...
09:52per his statement...
09:54Stephen was specifically referring to...
09:56general guidance given to ICE...
09:57that...
09:58the extra...
09:59personnel that had been sent to Minnesota...
10:01was for force protection...
10:02it should be used to...
10:04to create a physical barrier...
10:06between the arrest teams...
10:07and the disruptors...
10:08and...
10:09officials would be examining...
10:11why...
10:12additional force protection assets...
10:13may...
10:14not have been present...
10:15to support the operation...
10:16okay...
10:17so officials will not be examining...
10:19why they committed murder...
10:20they'll be examining...
10:21why they weren't standing...
10:23where...
10:24where we thought we...
10:25we should have them stand...
10:26and so now...
10:27both Stephen Miller...
10:28and whoever is putting up...
10:29the ridiculous statements...
10:30for the White House...
10:31cannot come up...
10:32with a single line...
10:33in there...
10:34in there...
10:35new statements...
10:36of defense...
10:37not one word...
10:39of defense...
10:41for why...
10:42the killing...
10:43of Alex Preddy...
10:44is not a murder...
10:45he's not a domestic terrorist...
10:47anymore...
10:48in Stephen Miller's statement...
10:49there's no attempt...
10:52in the new...
10:53Stephen Miller's statement...
10:54to claim...
10:56that Alex Preddy...
10:57was not murdered...
10:59there's no defense...
11:00offered...
11:01there's no attempt...
11:02in the new...
11:03White House statement...
11:04to claim...
11:04Alex Preddy...
11:05was not...
11:06murdered...
11:07by those agents...
11:08there's no attempt...
11:09to claim...
11:09to claim...
11:10that all of...
11:11the evidence...
11:12were justified...
11:13in any way...
11:14that's because...
11:15they know...
11:16they would have...
11:17to invent...
11:18evidence...
11:19because...
11:20they know...
11:21they would have...
11:22to invent...
11:23evidence...
11:24that there is, for Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, a political logic for Donald Trump's law.
11:29Tonight, the Trump White House.
11:34Trump is afraid of publicly advancing that logic.
11:39Stephen Miller is doing his version of an apology.
11:41And the Attorney General of the United States went to Minneapolis today.
11:44And did not make a public appearance there.
11:46She simply tweeted that she was there.
11:48That is a...
11:49As low profile as any Trump cabinet member has ever been in one of...
11:54...of Donald Trump's invasion sites in America.
11:57Except, of course, the Secretary...
11:59...of Homeland Security, who is even more low profile today.
12:03She's invisible.
12:04Totally invisible.
12:05In the middle of this crisis, she's hiding somewhere.
12:09In Washington, maybe.
12:10And saying nothing.
12:12Being allowed to say nothing.
12:14Because Donald Trump has told them all to shut up.
12:17Donald Trump and his regime is...
12:19He's in retreat tonight.
12:20Stephen Miller is in retreat tonight.
12:21Because the protesters are winning.
12:24Chris Hayes is doing invaluable reporting from the streets of Minneapolis today,
12:28in which he reports that...
12:29...that there is no sensation among the people there...
12:32...of a reduction of tension.
12:34...in Minneapolis at this point.
12:37Or even a reduction in...
12:39...the invasion forces.
12:40But remember, there are always two things about Trump world.
12:42What they say and what they do.
12:43And right now...
12:44...what they are saying is...
12:46...that they are retreating.
12:49Donald Trump is talking about his good phone calls with the governor of Minnesota...
12:52...and with the mayor of Minneapolis.
12:54...people who he was attacking last week.
12:57And Donald Trump is...
12:59...silencing Stephen Miller and keeping him out of the room.
13:01He is silencing Christine Ohm.
13:03He is...
13:04...his attorney general today on this subject...
13:07...even though she was in Minneapolis.
13:09And so they are in retreat.
13:12Yeah.
13:13That is a turn for his...
13:14...that Earl Rock.
13:15Cheers.
13:16Ah-
13:16... Services 부분이 has been polling...
13:17…off Gaza pastandra.
13:19...in the scum...
13:20...and in the news section of Ohio...
13:22...in.
13:22Obviously, inayo now...
13:23...in the new...
13:24...in the Popular Series....
13:25same way that they retreated from Los Angeles and in the same way that they retreated from Chicago.
13:30They will retreat.
13:35This is a week of mourning.
13:37It should be a week of national mourning.
13:40When the federal government guns down law-abiding citizens who believed that they lived in a country.
13:45Where the First Amendment protected them on the streets where they lived.
13:50And are now dead because they exercised that belief.
13:54Rene Good.
13:55Alex Pretty.
13:57And in this week of mourning.
13:59The National.
14:00The National.
14:01Catholic Reporter writes.
14:02Quote.
14:03Catholics must decide if they.
14:05Whether they serve Donald Trump or the gospel.
14:07And the National.
14:08Catholic Reporter is concerned with.
14:10A new Catholic.
14:11A particular Catholic.
14:14James.
14:15James.
14:16David Vance.
14:17Who has been a bit of a wanderer in the wilderness of religion.
14:20in some portions of his life.
14:23He changed his name.
14:25multiple times.
14:26And changed his religion a few times.
14:28It was not long ago that he moved.
14:30He moved from atheism to Catholicism.
14:33Possibly for political reasons.
14:35before becoming a candidate.
14:36So.
14:37He's new at Catholicism.
14:40And he might need more guidance now.
14:42In his new religion.
14:43Which might become an.
14:45increasingly uncomfortable religion.
14:46For him.
14:47Because the National.
14:48Catholic.
14:49Reporter.
14:50says.
14:51Vice President.
14:52J.D.
14:53Vance.
14:54Reposted.
14:55Stephen Miller.
14:56Who.
14:57On.
14:58X.
14:59Called.
15:00Freddie.
15:01In a.
15:02A.
15:03A.
15:04A.
15:05A.
15:06A.
15:07A.
15:08A.
15:09A.
15:10A.
15:11A.
15:13A.
15:14A.
15:15A.
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15:17A.
15:18A.
15:19A.
15:42A.
15:43A.
15:44A.
15:45A.
15:46A.
15:48where Alex Freddie lost his life in a real sense.
15:53I feel like I'm standing on holy ground and...
15:58The blood spilled on this ground reminds us that we're in a moral moment.
16:03Our country and the soul of our nation.
16:08I am a United States Senator and so...
16:13I know I'm committed to blocking funding for ICE.
16:17I'll deal with...
16:18I'll deal with that later this week as I make my way back to Washington.
16:23I just wanted to be present with the people of Minneapolis.
16:28We're standing up in such a courageous way.
16:32They're standing...
16:33We're standing up with our neighbors.
16:34I think of Renee Hood who literally...
16:38put her body on the line to be the ultimate place.
16:41Alex Freddie is the same.
16:43And all of us in their memory are called to stand...
16:48stand up in this moment and summon the better angels.
16:53approve our natures as Lincoln called it.
16:56And say no.
16:58to this evil that is being unleashed onto our streets.
17:01to this evil that is being unleashed onto our streets.
17:03say no to this evil that is being unleashed onto our streets.
17:08on our streets.
17:09And the question becomes...
17:10on our streets.
17:11And the question becomes...
17:12how to...
17:13how do we say no?
17:14Today the president of the United States Conference of...
17:18Catholic Bishops Archbishop Paul Coakley issued a statement saying...
17:21the recent killing of two...
17:23people by immigration enforcement officers in Minneapolis.
17:25and that of a detained man in Texas are just...
17:28a few of the tragic examples of the violence that represent failures in our society.
17:33to respect the dignity of every human life.
17:35We mourn this loss of life.
17:38and deplore the indifference and injustice it represents.
17:43J.D. Vance would do well to listen to Cardinal Joseph Tobin.
17:48the Archbishop of Newark.
17:51who has a question for...
17:53all of us.
17:54how will you say no?
17:57how will you say no?
17:58how will you say no...
17:59how will you say no...
18:00how will you say no...
18:01how will you say no...
18:02how will you say no...
18:03how will you say no...
18:04how will you say no...
18:05how will you say no...
18:06how will you say no...
18:07how will you say no...
18:08how will you say no...
18:09how will you say no...
18:10how will you say no...
18:11how will you say no...
18:12how will you say no...
18:13how will you say no...
18:14how will you say no...
18:15how will you say no...
18:16how will you say no...
18:17how will you say no...
18:18how will you say no...
18:19how will you say no...
18:20how will you say no...
18:22how will you say no...
18:23how will you say no...
18:24how will you say no...
18:26how will you say no...
18:03Stephen Miller is doing. How will you say no to the crew?
18:08How will you say no to the lies?
18:13How will you say no to the murders?
18:18I think...
18:23If we are serious about putting our faith in action, we need...
18:28to say no.
18:30Each one of us, and even more importantly...
18:34in speaking with others.
18:36We'll have to say, how do we say no?
18:38Well, in my own faith tradition, I think one way that we say...
18:43what I know is that we mourn.
18:48We do not celebrate death.
18:52And when...
18:53what is probably worse, we do not...
18:56pretend it...
18:58it doesn't happen.
18:59We say names.
19:02We pray for the dead.
19:03We mourn for a world, a country...
19:08that allows five-year-olds to be legally...
19:13kidnapped.
19:16And...
19:17protesters...
19:19to be slaughtered.
19:20I'm speaking to you within a couple of months...
19:23there are thousands of two major detention centers.
19:26And...
19:27everyday people...
19:28for many free faith communities.
19:30Go to Delaney Street here in Newark.
19:33and to the Elizabeth Detention Center, and they say no.
19:38By standing at the gates, by talking.
19:43with the ICE personnel by insisting on the rights of the detainees.
19:48within.
19:50They bring them human.
19:54Comfort.
19:56They console the families of those who
19:58aren't always admitted to see their loved ones.
20:03How will you say no?
20:05How will you say no to violence?
20:08Because as the great teacher Martin Luther King said,
20:13Hate cannot drive out hate.
20:16Only love can do that.
20:19How will you say no?
20:22In this world.
20:23This week when an appropriations bill
20:25is going to be considered in Congress.
20:28Will you contact your Congress representative,
20:31your congressional representative?
20:33the senators and representative from your district.
20:38We ask them for the love of God and the love of human beings.
20:43which can't be separated.
20:48vote against renewing funding.
20:53for such a lawless organization.
20:57How will you...
20:58scrawl your answer on the wall.
21:03How will you help restore a culture of life in the midst of it?
21:08Thank you. God bless you.
21:13How will you say no?
21:16Professor Timothy Snyder.
21:18He'll try to help us answer that question when he joins us next.
21:28Timothy Snyder's new article in the Boston Globe is titled The Political Logic of Trump.
21:33Trump's violent lawlessness.
21:35Professor Snyder writes,
21:36The moral horror wrought by President Trump's sexual...
21:41The American administration is incontrovertible.
21:44The aspiring tyrant looks for cracks...
21:46There are cracks in the system that can be pried open.
21:49One of these cracks is the...
21:51Where the country ends, because the law ends there too.
21:55An obvious move...
21:56The first move for the tyrant is to turn the whole country into a border where no...
22:01Soviet leader Joseph Stalin did this in the 1930s with...
22:06Border zones and deportations preceding the great terror.
22:10Adolf Hitler...
22:11Did it too in 1938, Germany with immigration raids that targeted undocumented Jews...
22:16And forced them to flee the country.
22:18Trump, by his own admission...
22:20And that...
22:21A lot of his cabinet members is following the same playbook.
22:24The border...
22:26It becomes the pretext to undo the law everywhere at all times against...
22:31Everyone.
22:32It is the crack...
22:33That can be opened.
22:36Joining us now is Timothy Snyder, Professor of History at the University of Toronto.
22:40He's the author of The Near...
22:41The New York Times bestsellers on freedom and on tyranny.
22:46Professor Snyder, I'd like to begin with the...
22:49As the first question with...
22:51Really, the title of your piece.
22:54What is the political logic...
22:56Of...
22:57Trump's violent lawlessness?
22:59What is the political logic...
23:00Of...
23:01Trump's violent lawlessness?
23:01In order to build tyranny, you have to open zones where the law...
23:06Doesn't apply.
23:07And where the citizens will accept that the law...
23:11Doesn't apply.
23:12One...
23:13One zone like that is a concentration camp.
23:15Another zone like that...
23:16Is the border.
23:17The logic of what they've been doing with ICE...
23:20Is to...
23:21To take the border everywhere.
23:23To take border enforcement everywhere.
23:25To take the...
23:26Violence associated with border enforcement everywhere.
23:28To try to get the citizenry used to the idea...
23:31That anywhere in America...
23:33At any time...
23:34There can be a zone of exception...
23:36Where...
23:36Where...
23:37Anything is possible.
23:38That's the logic.
23:39You...
23:40You write...
23:41Uh...
23:42In your piece...
23:43That...
23:44Uh...
23:45The...
23:46The...
23:46The way the administration uses the word terrorist and extremist is very important...
23:50Uh...
23:51To the...
23:51The way they're carrying this out.
23:52And we saw them use that word instantaneously.
23:56Uh...
23:57After Alex...
23:58Uh...
23:59Preddy was murdered.
24:00Yeah.
24:01I mean...
24:01Before I answer that politically...
24:02I just...
24:03I just can't help but say that...
24:04It's fundamentally indeed...
24:06Indecent...
24:07To speak that way of the dead.
24:08It's just fundamentally indecent.
24:11I mean, there's just a basic violation of everything.
24:15I mean, before we even get to America and the...
24:16the Constitution and politics, regardless of any circumstance, you simply don't speak of that.
24:21And when it's possible that you might bear responsibility.
24:26The first thing you ought to be doing is taking that responsibility.
24:31Okay, having said that, this is very familiar.
24:34The idea is to deny the...
24:36victim their humanity, to turn them into a member of an abstract class, to turn that class...
24:41into a threat and calling people terrorists or extremists or as Stephen...
24:46Miller did in A Complete Lie, Assassins.
24:49This is what tyrants do.
24:51They take away what's special and particular about us and try to turn us into enemies.
24:56And what's depressing about this is not just the evil of it...
25:01but the cliched character of it.
25:03This is exactly what Putin does.
25:05This is exactly what they all...
25:06do, and we just can't fall for it.
25:09Happily, I think we're not falling for it.
25:11You also write in your piece, there's another...
25:14There's so many...
25:15There's so many...
25:16There's so many language components to this, the invasion of the language and shifting language...
25:21from neutral descriptions into loaded meanings, and...
25:26that includes law enforcement, you say state terror is defined as...
25:31as, quote, law enforcement.
25:36I think that unsadly, and I think most sadly for people...
25:41whose job it is, in fact, to enforce the law, what the administration is doing...
25:46is they've turned law enforcement on its head.
25:49They're using it as a kind of...
25:51verbal protection for any kind of action.
25:54It's a kind of magic phrase.
25:56As soon as we hear it, we're supposed to think that...
25:59those people must be doing the right thing.
26:01But we have to use our eyes and our ears and our common sense and recognize that...
26:06I think somebody wearing a mask who is trespassing, committing assault, committing...
26:11a battery, or committing murder.
26:13That is simply not enforcing the law.
26:16Enforcing the law is not a thing in the world.
26:18It's something you either do or you don't do.
26:20And when you're committing crime...
26:21you're not enforcing the law and you shouldn't be called law enforcement.
26:26We heard Cardinal Tobin in the first segment there ask, how will you say...
26:31you know, and one of the points he made earlier in that video that we didn't show...
26:36someone just going out into the town square in the middle of the night and just writing...
26:41the word no, that that is in and of itself...
26:46an act of resistance against the tyrant.
26:49This is absolutely right.
26:51It's the beginning of resistance.
26:52It's...
26:53it's saying no says, this is not normal for me.
26:56Saying no says, I've noticed that this has crossed a line.
27:00But saying no is...
27:01is also saying yes, because it's the moment we recognize...
27:04what are the values for which you will stand?
27:06for which you will stand with other people...
27:08for which you will take some kind of a risk.
27:11Professor Timothy Snyder, thank you very much for starting off.
27:16for our conversations tonight.
27:21And coming up, after the Archbishop of Newark asked, how will you say no...
27:26today, California's senior Senator Alex Padilla asked...
27:31Republican senators, how many more senators... citizens need...
27:36to die.
27:37Senator Padilla joins us next.
27:41Today, California's senior Senator Alex Padilla...
27:46said this.
27:47Our position is clear.
27:49Our position is clear.
27:50Our position is clear.
27:51to separate the Department of Homeland Security spending bill from...
27:56the rest of the bills.
27:58And let's work on meaningful...
28:01reforms.
28:02But I guess to do a question to our Republican colleagues...
28:06is this.
28:07How many more videos do they need to see?
28:11How many more masked agents coming out of unmarked cars...
28:14kidnapping people off the streets...
28:16How many more citizens need to die in broad daylight...
28:20before they agree...
28:21enough is enough?
28:23There must be...
28:26real oversight...
28:27and accountability.
28:29Yes, for the agency...
28:31from politicians on the ground...
28:32but also...
28:33from the leaders...
28:34giving them...
28:35their orders.
28:36ICE and CBP are not above...
28:41the law.
28:42Seven and a half months before Donald Trump...
28:46and Kristi Noem's agents...
28:47shot and killed Renee Goode...
28:48for no reason...
28:49and shot and killed Alex Preddy...
28:51for no reason...
28:52they went after a United States Senator.
28:56in the totally secure...
28:58safety...
28:59of the federal...
29:01building...
29:02in the Westwood section of Los Angeles...
29:04California Senator...
29:06Alex Preddy...
29:07tried to ask Kristi Noem...
29:09a question...
29:10during a...
29:11press conference...
29:12and Senator Padilla...
29:14was attacked...
29:15by Donald Trump...
29:16and Kristi Noem's...
29:17federal agents...
29:18on the scene...
29:21the country...
29:22and...
29:23sir...
29:24sir...
29:25hands up...
29:26I'm Senator Alex Preddy...
29:28I have questions...
29:29for...
29:30the secretary...
29:31because the fact of the matter is...
29:33a half a dozen...
29:34violent criminals...
29:35that should...
29:36what's happening...
29:37on your...
29:38on your...
29:39on your...
29:40hands off...
29:41how many of our...
29:42on your...
29:43on your...
29:44on your...
29:45you...
29:46on your...
29:47On the ground. On the ground. Hands upon your back.
29:52Hands upon your back.
29:54It's good on my hands. It's good on my back.
29:56One hand.
29:57Lay flat.
29:59Other hand, sir. Other hand.
30:02I'm going to put it on my back.
30:04I'm going to put it on my back.
30:06I'm going to put it on my back.
30:08I'm going to put it on my back.
30:10I'm going to put it on my back.
30:12I'm going to put it on my back.
30:14I'm going to put it on my back.
30:16I'm going to put it on my back.
30:18I'm going to put it on my back.
30:20I'm going to put it on my back.
30:22I'm going to put it on my back.
30:24I'm going to put it on my back.
30:26I'm going to put it on my back.
30:28I'm going to put it on my back.
30:30A United States senator attempted arrest of a United States senator.
30:35By federal agents physically attacking that senator, throwing him to the floor.
30:40That is something no federal agent would dare do until Donald Trump...
30:45...turn them into the most out-of-control so-called law enforcement...
30:50...group that this country has ever seen.
30:52Joining us now is Democratic Senator Alex Padilla.
30:55...of California. He is the top Democrat on the Senate Rules Committee.
31:00And a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Budget Committee.
31:03Senator, thank you very much.
31:05...for being here tonight.
31:06And when I see what's happening in Minneapolis, we're seeing...
31:10...a straight-up escalation from that day in Westwood where I was watching some...
31:15...something that I did not think was possible in this country.
31:20Well, thanks for having me back, Lawrence.
31:22And, look, you're absolutely right.
31:23As you may recall, I came back...
31:25...from that experience last June and warned my colleagues, both...
31:30...on the other side of the aisle, that Los Angeles was nothing more than the test case, right?
31:35This is the beginning of the escalation of ICE and CBP, not along the border.
31:40...in the interior, and they were going to push the limits.
31:44And we've seen...
31:45...nothing but more and more aggressiveness, aggression, cruel.
31:50...in these indiscriminate raids.
31:52I warned my colleagues that this was the playbook.
31:55That the Trump administration would use in any city across the country that...
32:00...they wanted to.
32:01And what have we seen since?
32:02We've seen Washington, D.C.
32:03We've seen Chicago.
32:05We've seen Portland.
32:06We've seen the Carolinas.
32:08We're seeing Minneapolis today.
32:10Now, a surge in Maine, as well.
32:12They need to be reined in.
32:14And the loud...
32:15...the loudest message I've had.
32:16It's for my Republican colleagues in Congress, because they're in the majority.
32:20And they have an opportunity to stand up to the administration.
32:25And live up to their oath of office as a...
32:30...whole-equal branch of government to reined it.
32:32And we have a golden opportunity with the spending...
32:35...the bills in front of us right now.
32:36No more money for a militarized Trump ICE or...
32:40...CBP without true accountability and reforms.
32:45So, the Democrats appear united on this issue.
32:48As of now, it seems...
32:50...that the majority leader, Thune, has not indicated that...
32:55...there's any room for negotiation there.
32:58Yeah.
32:59Well, we...
33:00We're not just talking to a leader, Thune.
33:02There's a lot of Democrats talking to a lot of Republicans in the Senate.
33:05There does seem to be an openness to at least separating the Department of Homeland Security...
33:10...spending plan from the other five bills that are part of this...
33:15...the package.
33:16May or may not...
33:17I may or may not support those other five bills, but there's...
33:20...there seems to be the support to...
33:21...to keep those moving forward.
33:23But we cannot, in good...
33:25...to give DHS ICE and CBP specifically...
33:30...any more money without these accountability measures.
33:33Because, look, not a single dollar...
33:35...where they're robbing the streets...
33:37...coming out of unmarked cars...
33:38...masks...
33:39...not identifying...
33:40THEY WANT TO FIND THEMSELVES
33:42NO MORE FUNDING FOR DHS, FOR ICE,
33:44FOR CBP.
33:45AND THEY ARE DETAINING INNOCENT
33:48CHILDREN WHILE THEY ARE
33:50DETAINING AND EVEN ASSAULTING
33:53LATINOS FOR THE COLOR OF
33:55OUR SKIN OR BECAUSE WE
33:56OCCASIONALLY SPEAK SPANISH.
33:57OTHER LANGUAGE MINORITIES HAVE
33:58BEEN SUBJECT.
34:00THEY ARE DETAINING THEIR
34:02BUDGETS CAN BE EXPECTED TO THIS
34:03ABUSE AS WELL.
34:05AND LET'S NOT FORGET, THEIR
34:07BUDGET WAS TRIPLE.
34:05Congressional Republicans just last year. So this is not really a question.
34:10of additional money. This is really a question now of accountability.
34:15What we're asking for is actually pretty common sense that the masks come off.
34:20Let's turn body cams on. There's no reason each agent shouldn't have a body cam on them.
34:25Make sure that they're identifying themselves when there's an officer involved.
34:30shooting. Let's do what every other law enforcement entity across the country does.
34:35Demand an independent investigation and bring forward concert.
34:40consequences when officers are found either out of policy or are using unwarranted.
34:45Excessive force or violence. This is common sense.
34:50It needs to be implemented because this administration on its own isn't going to do it.
34:55When the Trump invasion came to Los Angeles, it certainly had the feeling.
35:00of something permanent that had the feeling that they would never leave. But you did.
35:05get the Trump invasion to go into retreat in California.
35:10What is the lesson there that people in Minneapolis should be learning from the reach?
35:15What is the lesson there that people in Minneapolis should be learning from a retreat in California?
35:16Yeah, well, to be clear.
35:20And precise here, there is still some ice and CBP activity.
35:25happening in different parts of California near the volume and the scale that we saw.
35:30last summer, where we did prevail was unlawful federal.
35:35and mobilization of national guard troops into communities in California.
35:40even the deployment of Marines in Los Angeles that we did prevail.
35:45And those folks are not either home or back to their primary missions.
35:48The lesson is Los Angeles.
35:50Los Angeles refused to stay quiet.
35:52Los Angeles refused to stay quiet.
35:53Los Angeles refused to stay quiet.
35:55Los Angeles refused to stay quiet.
35:56Los Angeles refused to stay quiet.
35:57And they spoke up for their neighbors.
35:58And that's what we're seeing so beautifully in Minneapolis.
36:00There are so many people refusing to accept this treatment as normal.
36:05They're taking to the streets to peacefully protest, they're having vigils when there's these raves.
36:10There are people out there with their cameras taking video, taking pictures, documenting because...
36:15You know, the administration won't hold its own officers accountable, at least the...
36:20...public will.
36:22And so they've been so inspiring, not just to the people of California who can relate.
36:25But to American citizens all over the country, let's continue to peacefully protest.
36:30Another, no, King's Day has been announced for next month.
36:34And the ultimate protest...
36:35The ultimate protest and pushback is when we go to the ballot box this November.
36:40Senator...
36:40Alex Padilla, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
36:44Thank you, Lawrence.
36:45And now to the story that Donald Trump doesn't want anyone talking about, which is why...
36:50He's trying to put up as many distractions as he can for the last couple of months.
36:54Ghislaine Maxwell, now...
36:55...claims that there are 25 men who should have been...
37:00...indicted for sex trafficking with Jeffrey Epstein instead of her.
37:05That's next with Congressman Ro Khanna.
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