00:00Música
00:05Commissioner, I want to start with the announcement
00:10that you made at this conference opening it
00:13regarding the fact that the European Union
00:15member states now have access
00:17to European made secure
00:19and encrypted
00:20satellite communication system
00:22govsat.com
00:24how
00:25does this step help Europe seek its
00:27strategic autonomy and independence
00:29how important
00:30is this step
00:32well it's definitely
00:34it's important
00:35we promise
00:37that we shall do that
00:38you know for quite
00:39uh
00:40period of time
00:42because this is part of our
00:44long-term strategy
00:45to develop
00:47European Secure Satellite Communication System
00:50so-called iris square
00:52which you know we are
00:53we are really moving ahead
00:55but realistically we know
00:57all of us
00:58that
00:59this new
01:00installation can be operational
01:02somewhere out of 2029
01:04so
01:05not to
01:06have an empty
01:07space
01:08now for
01:09you know several years
01:10especially when geopolitical challenges
01:12and threats
01:13are
01:14you know so
01:15so
01:18so much you know coming from different
01:20sides
01:21definitely we need to
01:22develop some
01:23uh
01:24precursor
01:25capabilities
01:26uh
01:27for
01:28for Secure Satellite Communication
01:29and that
01:30that's what we did with gobs.com
01:32and also what we are planning to do
01:33that
01:34we shall expand
01:35this
01:36intermediate service
01:38uh
01:39next stage will be
01:40that
01:40that we shall try to
01:41enlarge with
01:42uh
01:43capabilities of commercial
01:44and
01:45capabilities
01:46but in parallel
01:47we are developing
01:48high risk
01:49the same
01:50we are looking into
01:50best observation
01:51it's
01:52second
01:53you know
01:54it's another
01:55topic but also
01:56very crucial
01:57that we need to start
01:58from
01:59combining
02:00existing
02:01uh
02:02national assets
02:03to
02:04you know
02:05then to expand
02:05with
02:06possibilities
02:07of commercial assets
02:08but in parallel
02:09to build
02:10our own
02:11European Union
02:12as observation
02:13governmental service
02:14constellation
02:15well you mentioned
02:16the geopolitical context
02:17that is very
02:18tricky
02:19these days
02:20to put it mildly
02:21how can this
02:22stop when it comes to
02:23gobs.com reduce
02:25the EU's dependence
02:26on foreign space
02:27space
02:28services but most
02:29importantly
02:30specifically
02:31on
02:32Starlink
02:33which is owned by
02:34Elon Musk
02:35and
02:35space
02:37space
02:38like the dominant
02:39position of it
02:40Americans
02:41on Friday
02:42in the United
02:44which speaks very clear
02:46language that priority
02:47for United States
02:48will be
02:49the Pacific
02:50and Western
02:51hemisphere
02:52and that
02:53they will ask
02:54you know
02:54Europeans
02:55to take more
02:56responsibility
02:57on European
02:58defense
02:59on our own shoulders
03:00because they will need
03:01to diminish
03:02their presence here
03:03in order to be
03:04much stronger
03:05in those
03:06priority areas
03:07and
03:08we know
03:09very well
03:10and experts
03:11are speaking that
03:12very clearly
03:13that for us
03:14the issue
03:16and the challenge
03:18is that
03:19that Americans
03:20really are
03:21providing us
03:22with what we call
03:23strategic enablers
03:24and we are quite
03:25heavily dependent
03:26and first of all
03:27on space
03:28services
03:29but also
03:30on some
03:29you know
03:30what we can
03:31call
03:32very
03:33material
03:34services
03:35like
03:36air refueling
03:37for example
03:38or
03:39different capabilities
03:40and so on
03:41so we need to develop
03:42those capabilities
03:43so that is why
03:44really
03:45iris
03:46square
03:47I always repeat
03:48what I hear from experts
03:49when we shall have
03:50iris square
03:51it will be better
03:52than starting
03:53this is also
03:54this tab
03:55when it comes to
03:56Gov.com
03:57goes really
03:58hand in hand with the
03:59the EU efforts
04:00to bolster
04:01in general
04:02the European Union's
04:03defense capabilities
04:04and also the EU's readiness
04:06before the end of the decade
04:08some intelligence
04:09agencies estimate
04:10that
04:11Russia could attack
04:12another European country
04:13in the coming
04:14year
04:14Do you think
04:15the EU is moving
04:16towards improving
04:17and strengthening
04:18its defense
04:19should this be a realistic
04:20scenario
04:21well
04:22we are
04:23really
04:24moving ahead
04:25very much
04:26and
04:29and
04:30steps forward
04:31done
04:32both
04:33in space
04:34but in also
04:35into what we can call
04:36in general
04:37in defense
04:38last year
04:39was very very very crucial
04:41really we made a lot of
04:43very important
04:44steps forward
04:45creating opportunities
04:46for member states
04:47to develop their
04:48defense capabilities
04:49both on earth
04:50but also in space
04:51because
04:52we created
04:53opportunities
04:54to increase
04:55to increase
04:56defense spending
04:57because if member states
04:58will implement
04:59what
04:59they pledge to NATO
05:00that they will increase
05:01their defense spending
05:02up to 3.5%
05:03till
05:04and 3.5%
05:05during the next 10 years
05:06it means that
05:07member states
05:09will spend for defense
05:10around of 6.8 trillion euros
05:13the
05:14during the next 10 years
05:16and we can see also
05:17the tendency
05:18that
05:19those
05:19defense money
05:20are also
05:21used for
05:22investments
05:23into
05:24uh
05:24space for defense
05:25capabilities
05:26like Germany is doing
05:27some other countries
05:28are doing
05:29so
05:30really we can see
05:31that
05:32things are moving ahead
05:34it's of course a challenge
05:35for industry
05:36when money is coming
05:37you know
05:38to increase
05:39the
05:39production capabilities
05:40we
05:41bought
05:42we are worried
05:43that
05:44you know
05:45money
05:44are coming
05:45but
05:46uh
05:47how to say
05:48the lines for
05:49to get
05:50products
05:51you know
05:52are becoming longer
05:53and longer
05:54so I mean
05:54that
05:55industries are not
05:56not able to
05:57fulfill all
05:58them
05:59all the
05:59contracts
06:00in a
06:01most speedy way
06:02there is something else
06:03when it comes to
06:04general defense
06:04Germany together
06:05with France
06:06introducing voluntary
06:07military service
06:08schemes
06:09we've heard recently
06:09from spanish
06:10foreign minister
06:11that spain
06:12said that
06:13you must move
06:14towards
06:14creating a European army
06:16what's your take on that
06:17we need
06:19to understand
06:20that if
06:21Americans
06:22are asking us
06:23to take
06:24responsibility
06:25on conventional
06:26defense
06:27of Europe
06:28we are not talking
06:29about
06:29nuclear no
06:31defense
06:32we hope that
06:33Americans
06:34will
06:34continue to provide
06:35on our nuclear umbrella
06:36but on conventional
06:37defense
06:39we need to see
06:40if Americans
06:41are
06:42diminishing
06:43their presence
06:44on European
06:45countries
06:46.
06:47.
06:48.
06:49.
06:50.
06:52.
06:54.
06:55.
06:58.
06:59.
07:00.
07:01.
07:02.
07:03.
07:04.
07:06.
07:07.
07:08.
06:44o que vamos precisar de reivindicar.
06:46Nós estamos falando sobre a estratégia de enabilidade.
06:48Material.
06:49Material, let's say, things.
06:50In space, on earth, and so on.
06:52But besides that...
06:54Americans have around of 100,000 troops.
06:59On the European continent, a little bit less, 80,000 maybe.
07:02But they are playing very...
07:04Very crucial role.
07:05They are playing what experts are calling backbone military.
07:09Force in Europe.
07:10The question is how we shall replace.
07:13If American...
07:14And so, withdrawing also their troops.
07:15How we shall replace that capability.
07:19Can we replace 100,000 American troops?
07:24Which are, you know, really trained as a standing cohesive army.
07:29With, you know, combination of 27.
07:33And here is a doubt.
07:34that it will be, you know, the same effect.
07:38So that was...
07:39That was my point.
07:40Not to...
07:40Not to, let's say, create European army.
07:44which would replace all the national lines.
07:47But to create...
07:49You know, 100,000 European troops to be ready to replace...
07:54What we are now getting from American presence on the European continent.
07:57So can we?
07:59Yeah, we can.
08:00Definitely, if the member states will agree.
08:02Okay, but, you know, we've heard recent...
08:04...over the past couple of days, obviously, the comments from NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, who said...
08:09And I'm going to quote him here, to make it exact, that European Union should keep on...
08:14Dreaming about becoming independent from the United States, its largest ally in matters...
08:19...related to security and defense.
08:22What's your take on...
08:24Mark Rutte's comments regarding this?
08:27Well, I saw...
08:29...different quotes of that, because in one media, I saw that he was speaking...
08:34...about nuclear defense, that Europeans should, you know...
08:39...stop dreaming about possibility to...
08:44...how to say, to...
08:46...to defend itself without American nuclear.
08:49...umbrella.
08:50So this is, really, I agree with him.
08:52For time being, at least, you know...
08:54...so, in commission, we really, now...
08:56...this is a business for member states, to decide...
08:59...what's about nuclear umbrella, but Americans said, in a very clear way, that they are ready to keep...
09:04...this umbrella, and we are happy with that.
09:07So the unconventional side, this is...
09:09...is not just about dreaming, that is more realistic.
09:11It's the reality of today.
09:12...when it could be possible, and if...
09:14...when it can be the reality.
09:15Well, it's...
09:16...no, I cannot tell you...
09:18...in...
09:19...in a very clear date, you know...
09:21...I think that even today, we have quite a lot of capability.
09:24...but we need to look into the perspective, and we need to understand...
09:29...that Russia, which is the biggest threat for us...
09:32...inconventional.
09:34...you know, terms of European security, they have, you know...
09:39...they built a war economy, they are producing a lot of weapons...
09:44...and if peace in Ukraine will come, which we...
09:49...we hope that it will come...
09:51...they will not stop their war economy.
09:53We should...
09:54...forget...
09:56...that when we are comparing...
09:58...Russia...
09:59...we need to use a comparison of so-called purchasing power parity.
10:04...not just nominal numbers.
10:06Because with nominal numbers, we are looking...
10:09...so Russia is pending.
10:10I don't know the last numbers...
10:11...150...
10:14...billion euros for defense per year...
10:18...we are spending...
10:19...it looks like more...
10:20...but if we are looking at purchasing power parity...
10:23...how much...
10:24...of the same amount of euros...
10:26...you can build, for example...
10:28...tanks...
10:29...Russia...
10:30...and tanks in Europe...
10:31...then it appears...
10:32...that now...
10:34...Russia is pending for defense...
10:36...85% of that level...
10:38...which...
10:39...we all...
10:40...European Union...
10:41...are spending for defense.
10:42Besides that, of course...
10:43...we need to...
10:44...take into account...
10:45...that...
10:46...Russia...
10:47...if...
10:48...
10:49...
10:50...
10:49...they will start aggression against...
10:51...as...
10:52...you know...
10:53...against...
10:54...European Union...
10:54...member states...
10:55...Russia...
10:56...will come with battle-tested...
10:57...military force.
10:59...on our side...
11:00...we do not have such an experience...
11:02...on our side...
11:03...on our side...
11:04...we can say...
11:05...that...
11:06...only Ukrainians...
11:07...have such an experience...
11:08...so that...
11:09...that is why for us...
11:10...the question is...
11:11...not only how to build...
11:12...you know...
11:13...how to spend more money...
11:14...for defense...
11:15...as...
11:16...Europeans...
11:17...but also how to integrate...
11:18...Ukrainians...
11:19...uh...
11:20...battle-tested...
11:21...capabilities...
11:22...with our capabilities.
11:23Commissioner, very brief...
11:24...the final one should...
11:25...if...
11:26...this is the case...
11:27...and if Russia...
11:28...attacks...
11:29...as you say...
11:29...do you expect the United States...
11:30...to come for support...
11:31...and help...
11:32...for the...
11:33...for its NATO...
11:34...allies in Europe?
11:35Well...
11:36...uh...
11:37...I trust...
11:38...what I hear...
11:39...and even...
11:40...President Trump...
11:41...belier...
11:42...you know...
11:43...back...
11:44...back in...
11:45...Hague...
11:46...summit...
11:47...
11:49...
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