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00:00Hello and welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked, the official visualized companion podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
00:06We're at the start of the final week and we are building up to hopefully a brilliant end to the series.
00:11But before we get stuck in, you know the drill.
00:13If you haven't watched episode 10, then what are you doing with your lives?
00:16Head to BBC iPlayer to catch up now and then make your way back to Uncloaked.
00:20Coming up, we see the moment Banished player Matthew found out the identity of the Traitors.
00:25He'll be with us shortly to discuss his time playing the game.
00:28Plus, to unpack this episode, I'm joined by Celebrity Faithful Kate Garraway and Series 3 Faithful winners Jake and Leanne.
00:41Welcome. Welcome to all of you. It's lovely to have three faithfuls on the sofa today.
00:46Isn't it though?
00:47I know, triple faithfuls, some more successful than others. Is that fair to say?
00:52I think it's fair to say, yeah. I'm already hanging my head in shame.
00:56Look, you shouldn't, absolutely not, because Jake and Leanne, if there'd been sun-dried tomatoes in your series, you might have been flabbergasted as well.
01:03Oh, yeah. I mean, we are flabbergasted anyway to be with you, Kate, so...
01:06Look, we've got loads to cover today, including the brand new dagger power and the impact that it had on Matty's banishment.
01:14We've got the terrifying Karas Hell mission.
01:16And of course, Stephen's fears about Rachel going up against him.
01:20But let's start with the end of the episode, Faraz confronting Rachel about his suspicions of her.
01:27Another huge nail-biting moment.
01:30Leanne, did you see Faraz suddenly becoming a traitor hunter?
01:33Not from Faraz, I'll be honest. I think we were all pretty shocked, wasn't we?
01:36But, I mean, he hit the nail on the head, didn't he?
01:38He was completely right with all of his theories.
01:40The worst thing he did was confront Rachel.
01:42I was gutted when he went up to her.
01:44Absolutely gutted. He should have kept it secret, and then Stephen should have kept it to himself as well.
01:50That's how I thought it was going to go.
01:52Because he told a group that included Stephen first.
01:55That's where he should have left it.
01:56We thought, we were hoping that that might be a moment to see whether Stephen turned or not.
02:03Yeah.
02:04I guess maybe what he was thinking was that if he laid all his cards out on the table,
02:08he's not going to get murdered.
02:09Because he's going to say, don't murder me tonight, as he did say.
02:12Yes, and it did make her think, didn't it?
02:14It's going to go one way or the other, but I think he's going to get murdered, so now he got it.
02:18Well, the truth is this year, you look at Jessie.
02:20She came forward about Stephen, and they didn't mess about.
02:24So, I am worried.
02:25If he'd have left it till tomorrow, he would have been all right, I believe.
02:28But as each episode's gone on, he's gained more and more confidence.
02:31He has, yeah.
02:32I feel like he's got that confidence now, and he's just gone, you know what?
02:35I feel it, I think it, I'm going to say it.
02:37Yeah.
02:38Jake, as a former winner, what would you be doing if you were in Faraz's shoes now?
02:42Because he's accused Rachel.
02:44Tomorrow, I guess he's got to try and mobilise people behind his theory.
02:48Tonight in bed, he'll be sweating, but if he makes it to breakfast tomorrow, he needs to get the votes.
02:53The likes of Jack and Roxy, especially, they're the ones on the fence,
02:56and I think if he can convince them, Rachel could be in trouble.
03:00My heart's with Jade, though, because I feel like she's the Kate.
03:04She's the Kate of the series for day one.
03:06All right, don't slug her on.
03:07She's not that bad.
03:09Just desperate.
03:11She has been through it.
03:12She has, Tony.
03:13I can just say, she's not as bad as me.
03:18No one ever has been in the series, internationally or otherwise.
03:22To be fair, she hasn't been on the money, though, to be fair.
03:24No, no, no, I mean in terms of being a faithful that's constantly attacked from day one.
03:29I had that all the way through until eventually they got me out, bless them.
03:34And I think she's going through that, you know?
03:37What's Rachel's plan of attack tomorrow?
03:39What does she need to do tomorrow now that she's been accused openly by Faraz?
03:44If Faraz does survive, she needs to be all right, well, look, you're still here.
03:49Maybe I'm being used and people are going to keep you in the game and pin it on me.
03:54She needs to deflect and stay as calm as possible.
03:56If she doesn't murder him, then she can say, well, you accused me in front of everybody.
04:02So if I was a traitor, I'd have got rid of you.
04:03Yeah, exactly.
04:04Also as well, Rachel's biggest thing she can do is point it at James.
04:10James went that round table.
04:12He was so smart.
04:13He was like, yeah, I've got the dagger.
04:14I'm going to do this.
04:15Matthew's going to go.
04:16He's a traitor.
04:16And then he almost went home.
04:19Yeah.
04:20Even though he had two votes, he was nearly the one who got punished.
04:23And now Roxy thinks it's James.
04:25So if I was Rachel, I'd be playing on that and speaking to Roxy beyond work.
04:30So the murder is a toss-up between Roxy and Faraz.
04:33Yeah.
04:33So are you saying Faraz is the best move for the traitors murder-wise?
04:37I think so.
04:38Yeah, I think so.
04:39Because I think he's going to take Rachel down.
04:41So Rachel's just like, it's all or nothing now.
04:43I'm just going to get rid of him and just be like,
04:44why would I murder him when he's out with me in front of everyone?
04:47I'm being framed.
04:48That's how I'd play it if I was Rachel.
04:49Maybe that's how it's going to go.
04:50Do you think differently, Kate?
04:52Do you think Roxy's the best move?
04:53Do you think that if they get rid of Roxy and I don't want her to go either,
04:56obviously, this is, you know, God, I sound like I did at the round table.
04:59But, Sandra Isomarzo!
05:02No.
05:04But no.
05:05The thing is, there's no heat on Roxy at all.
05:08Yeah.
05:08She's really confused.
05:10So maybe it would be worth keeping her because they could play her.
05:13Yeah.
05:13But if they murdered her, don't you think there's a chance that they can get into the confusion?
05:18They can say, well, listen, I was a traitor and you openly accused me and you're still here.
05:23And I don't know.
05:24Now, the episode ended with Stephen stressing about Rachel turning on him.
05:28Let's remind ourselves of how that unfolded.
05:31Nobody can stick up for one another at this point.
05:35And if you hear anybody repeat that I'm talking about you, it's because I have to, to protect our alliance.
05:42Right now, I'm worried.
05:46Maybe I've been blind because I have been actively not discussing Rachel if anyone ever brought her up.
05:54She might not necessarily write my name on her slate, but that doesn't stop her sowing seeds of doubt against me.
06:03If I did find out that she was going against me behind my back, then game on.
06:12This is what we're after.
06:15I knew that pact was nonsense.
06:17Cracks in the pact.
06:18Although, you know, in a way, isn't that what they've got to both do?
06:23I think Rachel's actually doing the right thing.
06:25I could see it coming for a while, to be honest.
06:27But he's just like, you know, I'm panicking now.
06:30I think what she's saying is that if his name comes up in a discussion, she can't block it.
06:36She can't go, well, it's not Stephen because that's going to look bad on both of them.
06:40I agree.
06:41But the way she brought it up really sounded like, and just to give you a heads up, I'm taking the game from you.
06:46Basically, yeah.
06:47She was basically saying, don't worry if you hear me throwing you under the bus.
06:51It's just to save our alliance.
06:52It doesn't really make sense.
06:53It doesn't make it okay to throw someone.
06:54You can't be like, heads up, I'm going to rob you.
06:56That's not how it works.
06:58Well, it kind of does if you're a traitor, though.
07:00Yeah.
07:00Because that's what they've got to do.
07:01So what's he got to do now?
07:03I think he's got to say, okay, well, I'll be doing it about you back then.
07:07Yeah, 100%.
07:07But silently.
07:08Yeah.
07:08She's told him, she's got to throw him onto the bus, basically.
07:11And he can use that information and then just carry on doing it.
07:14What's our guts saying about Rachel?
07:16Kate, do you think that she's going to try and turn on Stephen?
07:19I think she might do.
07:21I think, to be fair, I think if she thinks there's any danger she's going down, she will.
07:25Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27I don't know, do you agree?
07:28Yeah, completely.
07:29I think she's been defending herself for absolutely ages now.
07:33And I just think anything that gets in her way now, she's just going to try and burn it down.
07:37It's a paranoia.
07:38And I think that's what Stephen's now thinking.
07:40The paranoia of just her mentioning, I might have to mention your name in conversations.
07:44He's getting that paranoid.
07:45The trust there is kind of starting to go.
07:47Yeah.
07:47Before Matthew joins us and we talk about the brand new Dagger Power, we should touch
07:51on the Karas Hell mission.
07:53One of my favourites of the series so far.
07:55It's always funny when people are dizzy, right?
07:57And ripping apart teddy bears.
08:00Absolutely brutal mission, Leanne.
08:02How do you think they did overall?
08:03It looked exhausting.
08:04Yeah.
08:05And Kate told us about a million times she'd have projectile vomited within the first 30 seconds.
08:10Absolutely vomited everywhere.
08:12They smashed it though, didn't they?
08:13The girls at the end, bless them, I felt for them because they were so close.
08:16Especially at the end as well.
08:17Oh, shields count so much at the end.
08:19Oh my gosh.
08:20You can just see how desperate they were.
08:21Yeah.
08:22Jack obviously winning the shield.
08:23Yeah.
08:24He'll be over the moon.
08:25Now, Jack doesn't have much suspicion on him at all.
08:28In fact, he has not had one single vote at the round table in the whole game so far.
08:33And he's got the shield, obviously.
08:34Leanne, how important will the shield be to him at this point in the game?
08:38I think it's probably wasted on him.
08:40Do you think?
08:40No, I don't.
08:41Do you not?
08:42I think he would have been the perfect person to murder tonight because he's got no suspicion on him.
08:47He's never going to get banished because no one's voting for him.
08:49So true.
08:50Yeah.
08:51So we should talk about Roxy, who's now separately questioned both Rachel and Stephen on whether they're traitors.
08:58Do we think her trustworthiness could be her downfall, Jake?
09:01I think she just doesn't want to believe because she's got friends with him.
09:05I had this similar experience with Mina.
09:06I was close with Mina.
09:07And in the back of your mind, you do got to suspect everyone.
09:11But you don't want to believe it's them because they're your close friends in there.
09:15So that could be her downfall.
09:17She's putting too much trust in, obviously, the wrong people.
09:20Obviously, her interrogation techniques were, are you a traitor?
09:22And they say no.
09:23And she's like, okay, that's proof.
09:25That's enough for me.
09:25Maybe she was hoping there'd be a flicker in the eye or something.
09:29Yeah.
09:29You know?
09:30Well, the time has come to speak to Matthew about his time playing the game.
09:34But first, let's see how he reacted when he discovered the identities of the traitors shortly after being banished.
09:45I mean, obviously, a little bit disappointed because I wanted to get as far as I could.
09:48But I'm so chuffed.
09:50I'm so chuffed with how I got on.
09:52And I didn't, I didn't roll over.
09:55I gave him a good go at the round table.
09:58So I think I did all I could do.
10:00The odds were stacked against me, I felt.
10:02So it wasn't a surprise.
10:04So are there seven people remaining?
10:06I think I'll give you the three who I think are the most faithful.
10:11Roxy, Jack and James.
10:14I think three traitors were picked at the beginning.
10:18And then I think that the first night they chose themselves, another traitor, to join them.
10:26And then we banished two traitors.
10:28And I know that there was a couple of times when there wasn't a murder.
10:33But I don't think they recruited.
10:35So I think there are two traitors remaining.
10:37I know I was gunning for Jade at the round table.
10:40I'm still not sure.
10:41So I might say Jade, but I think Stephen's a traitor.
10:44When I looked at his voting record, every time he voted at the round table, except for Maz,
10:49so except for one time, the person that he voted for got banished.
10:54So again, that maybe meant it kind of, what I took from that was that he was just,
10:59he didn't speak first.
11:00He was waiting to see how the vote was going and then just going with the group.
11:05Okay, I'm not ready, but let's go for it.
11:11Stephen, yes, okay, wow.
11:20I mean, I did think it was him.
11:23Now I regret not saying what I thought last night at the round table.
11:27Very well played.
11:28I don't begrudge him at all.
11:31Like, he's played an amazing game.
11:33Okay.
11:34Who else?
11:35Rachel!
11:41Wow.
11:43I mean, they deserve it.
11:46I don't think anyone really suspects Rachel that much.
11:49I think they both played an amazing game.
11:52And a very warm welcome to Matthew!
11:59Pleasure to have you here, Matthew.
12:01Gutted you've left, of course.
12:02You're an absolutely brilliant player.
12:04Our very first traitor in waiting.
12:06It's the first time anyone's pitched that hard to be a traitor
12:10and is just eagerly awaiting their recruitment.
12:13We'll talk about that a little bit more later on.
12:15But first of all, let's start with your reaction
12:17to who the traitors actually were.
12:19You had Stephen there in your mind.
12:22What was it about him that made you suspicious?
12:24The first thing was when he said that he saw Maz and Roxy
12:29at the family tree.
12:31Yes.
12:32And then Maz left, and I just did not believe that Roxy was a traitor.
12:36Yeah.
12:36So that was like a little thing that I was hanging on to.
12:38And then Stephen is the most lovely person.
12:41Yeah.
12:41And I think I said early on, I just can't see it.
12:44I just was like, he cleared up all the plates.
12:48How could he be a traitor?
12:49He's so nice.
12:49A traitor wouldn't do the washing up.
12:50No.
12:52He voted out both traitors.
12:55And just how those roundtables went,
12:57it would have been very easy just to go along.
12:59It was obvious it was going that way.
13:01I'll work them out.
13:02What you just said there,
13:04that you regret not bringing up Stephen at that last roundtable.
13:06I think that could have saved you.
13:07I know.
13:08If you really directed it to him.
13:10Because he's had a lot on him this whole time,
13:12it really could have saved you.
13:13I knew that the traitors had set this whole trap up.
13:18Yeah.
13:18And I knew that the traitors would vote for me that night.
13:21And I thought that Stephen was a traitor.
13:24But somewhere in the back of my head,
13:26you know, you're still not sure.
13:28And I thought, if I go after Stephen tonight,
13:31he votes for me and I'm gone.
13:33But actually, he was always going to vote for me.
13:36Yeah.
13:37Because he set up the whole thing.
13:38But that's so easy to kick yourself for afterwards, isn't it?
13:42Because you don't know all the conversations
13:44that have been going on elsewhere in the castle.
13:46And you don't have that vision.
13:48So in a way, I think you did play the perfect game.
13:51I'm going to disagree that you played the perfect game.
13:54Because you are here now.
13:57Oh, kick him out when he's down, Ed!
13:59No, I think you played it as perfectly as you could have done.
14:02No, no, no.
14:03I played the perfect game.
14:04You played the perfect game.
14:05Don't worry about Ed.
14:06Ignore it.
14:06But you did.
14:07You played an amazing game.
14:09And it was very well thought through.
14:10But what you can't predict is James.
14:14Well, no one had it.
14:16You can never pre-plan for a James to come to the game
14:18and run up behind you on the first episode
14:21and start pointing at you saying traitor.
14:23Actually, for future players of the game,
14:26that is a strategy.
14:27Yeah.
14:27He was never going to be murdered.
14:29Because he, you know, that's half of your battle.
14:32Yeah.
14:32Don't be murdered.
14:33Yeah.
14:33Like, so I think whatever,
14:36whether it was a strategy
14:37or whether that's just his character or not,
14:40that's a very interesting way to play the game
14:42and go in, create chaos, never be murdered.
14:45Yeah.
14:46You actually said a very smart line, though, to Stephen.
14:49You said, a traitor will vote for me tonight.
14:52And for a second, I actually thought
14:54he wasn't going to vote for you because of that.
14:56Yeah.
14:57Yeah.
14:57He looked panicked, didn't he?
14:58Was that your aim with that?
15:01When you're saying things within earshot,
15:03you're saying,
15:03a traitor is going to vote for me tonight.
15:05Are you hoping that will change their votes, essentially?
15:07Oh, yeah.
15:07And did you feel that about Stephen?
15:09I just, it's so hard.
15:10It's just so hard to know.
15:11I know, it is, yeah.
15:12Like, I also regret not speaking to James.
15:16I knew that James suspected me since day one.
15:18And maybe it's a character flaw, I don't know.
15:21But if someone doesn't like me,
15:23I'm not going to pander to them and trying to,
15:26oh, please be my friend.
15:26Please like me, you know?
15:28So with James, I just thought,
15:29well, fine, think I'm a traitor.
15:31I don't care.
15:32Whatever.
15:32Let's get into talking about this round table
15:34because we've got to discuss
15:35the brand new twist in the game,
15:38the dagger and the double vote
15:39that it gives someone at the round table.
15:42Matthew, before I ask you about it,
15:44I want to hear from the others
15:45how they felt when Claudia introduced it
15:47at the end of the last episode.
15:49Yeah, I thought it was really good.
15:51And you kind of thought,
15:52oh, if you were a traitor now,
15:53this is a big decision, isn't it?
15:56And then we were sort of saying,
15:58would we want the dagger as faithfuls?
16:00Would we not want the dagger?
16:02I mean, it's just a bit of genius.
16:04Would you?
16:04Would you want it?
16:05I said no.
16:06I think then it's a bit similar to the seer.
16:09I think sometimes power can be the opposite.
16:12Like, you think James loved it
16:14when he got given it.
16:15He was like, oh my God, yes.
16:16Fuck, who's going on?
16:18Everyone else at breakfast going,
16:19oh, I hope it's not me.
16:20And James comes in, he's like,
16:21I want it.
16:22I want it.
16:22I know.
16:23He's like this excitable puppy.
16:25Do you know what I mean?
16:25The traitors have been like giving him treats
16:27and be like, who's a good boy?
16:28He's like, me, me, me.
16:30Faraas did want it as well, actually.
16:32But as soon as people start questioning him,
16:34because there's always suspicion,
16:35you're always going to think,
16:35what if a traitor's giving it to themselves?
16:37So I just think,
16:38I would rather go under the radar.
16:41It's just everything's so risky.
16:42At this point of the game.
16:43I didn't know which way
16:44that Rachel and Stephen
16:45were going to go with it.
16:46I was like, I don't know
16:46who they're going to give it to.
16:47Are they going to give it to themselves?
16:49And then as soon as they gave it to James,
16:50I was like, that's the only way to go.
16:52Brilliant.
16:53As soon as James gets the dagger,
16:55surely you're thinking,
16:56I'm the only person
16:57who wouldn't have given it to James.
16:59Yeah.
16:59So you should be the one
17:00who's in the clear that night.
17:01But then that's what they had planned.
17:03So then they're able to...
17:05It was pretty impressive, wasn't it?
17:06It was very...
17:07To hear them planning it
17:08and go through,
17:09and then Matthew's going to say this
17:11and then James is going to do this.
17:12And that's exactly what happened.
17:14Yeah.
17:14I think the problem as well,
17:15Faithfuls,
17:16I had this problem.
17:18You think everyone's Albert Einstein.
17:20You're always thinking,
17:20well, 200 IQ players,
17:22double, triple buffs.
17:23It was so obvious
17:23that it couldn't be you.
17:24But they started to doubt that.
17:26And the obvious
17:26then is the opposite.
17:28Matthew,
17:28how were you feeling
17:29going into that round table?
17:31I think it was realistic
17:32that the odds were stacked against me.
17:34But I wasn't going to go down
17:36without a fight.
17:36So I was going to give it everything.
17:39I think you did brilliantly.
17:41I think you did absolutely brilliantly.
17:43And it was very, very close.
17:44So there's proof
17:45that you did absolutely brilliantly.
17:47You sort of kept your powder dry
17:49and then you just went for it.
17:52And also,
17:52you went for it
17:53in a kind of really sort of
17:54elegant, lovable way
17:56that meant that you went out
17:58kind of with your head held high, really.
18:01Absolutely brilliant.
18:02That's nice.
18:02Yeah.
18:03So it got pretty heated
18:04at the round table.
18:05Leanne,
18:06you were like Matthew
18:07in your series.
18:09Can you explain to us
18:09what it's like
18:10when you're having to defend yourself
18:12to everyone at the round table
18:13and how difficult it is?
18:14There's nothing worse
18:15than trying to convince people
18:16that you're telling the truth
18:17when you're telling the truth.
18:18Yeah.
18:18It's so frustrating
18:19but I think I would have thrived
18:21in season four.
18:22Everybody's arguing,
18:24rowing,
18:24fighting.
18:26I've been in my element.
18:27Star me, I'm.
18:29Sadly,
18:30you didn't make it
18:30through the round table.
18:31You got banished
18:32but your reveal
18:33got quite the reaction.
18:35Let's remind ourselves
18:36of this.
18:38What
18:39are you thinking?
18:44The traitors
18:45will murder
18:46one of you
18:46tonight.
18:47Thank God.
18:50I am genuinely
18:51speechless.
18:54Good night.
19:00I'm stuck
19:01with a scam.
19:02That might be the angriest
19:09I've seen Claudia
19:09off here around the table.
19:11Thank you, Claudia.
19:11I'd say that's a compliment.
19:13A total compliment.
19:14There's nothing scarier
19:16than being told off
19:17as a faithful man, Claudia.
19:18And that was a proper
19:20you've let me down,
19:22you've let your school down.
19:24It was a real full on.
19:25It really was a proper telling off.
19:28And then James just immediately
19:30collapses on the table
19:32like one of those toys
19:33where you press the bottom
19:33and the legs just go.
19:35Poor James.
19:36I mean, poor James.
19:37Because it's amazing
19:39how hard he went
19:39after his belief
19:41that you were a traitor
19:42and you love to see
19:43faithfuls absolutely
19:44gunning for what they believe.
19:45But when you know
19:46that they're wrong,
19:47it's only going to end
19:48like that, isn't it?
19:49He's totally gutted.
19:50I wonder if he can
19:51sort of maintain
19:52any confidence
19:53in the rest of the game.
19:56James thought
19:56I was a traitor
19:57and so he went with it.
20:00So you can't really
20:02begrudge him that.
20:02No.
20:03It'd be amazing though
20:04if James did get
20:05Rachel or Stephen next.
20:06It'd be like a redemption act.
20:08Yeah, 100%.
20:09But no one would believe him though now.
20:11That's the problem.
20:12That's the thing.
20:13I think that's why
20:13he felt the way he did
20:15because he thought
20:15I'm a goner.
20:17Now, of course, Matty,
20:18you had quite the ride
20:19in the castle
20:19because in episode six
20:21you won the opportunity
20:22to speak to the traitors.
20:23Another huge twist
20:24in this series.
20:25Did you want that power
20:27when you went into
20:28the walled garden
20:28with your team?
20:29Is that something
20:30that you wanted?
20:31No.
20:32I put myself
20:33at the very back.
20:34I was being the gentleman
20:35lying to the wound
20:36to go first
20:36secretly hoping
20:38that by the time
20:39it got to me
20:39that it would have been
20:40claimed
20:41because it's the same
20:42whether it's the coffins
20:43whether it's the seer.
20:44Yeah.
20:45It just sets you out
20:46as like separate
20:47from everyone else
20:48and there's always that
20:49danger.
20:51But now I'm like
20:52I couldn't be happier
20:53that I got it.
20:54Oh, it was an incredible
20:55moment.
20:56How many ideas
20:57did you go through
20:57in your mind
20:58of what to ask them?
20:59Yeah.
21:00It's like
21:00what question
21:02can you ask the traitors
21:03that they would want
21:04to tell you the truth?
21:05Yeah.
21:05You know,
21:06their numbers are dwindling.
21:07We just got rid of Fiona.
21:08They're going to get
21:08the opportunity
21:09to recruit again
21:10but they can't win together.
21:12So if they tell me
21:13who they're going
21:14to recruit next
21:15the person's
21:16currently faithful
21:17I could then
21:19get that person
21:20banished at the next round table.
21:21Oh, it's not the spade.
21:24Because I thought
21:25they would
21:26it's in their interest
21:27to tell me the truth
21:28and then I thought
21:29you know what?
21:29Actually, I want to be a traitor.
21:31Yeah.
21:32So you asked them
21:33who they were going
21:34to murder next.
21:36They said Jessie
21:37because she's under the radar.
21:38Which absolutely
21:39broke my heart.
21:41Yeah.
21:41I know I did
21:43what I did after.
21:44Yeah, okay.
21:45Yeah.
21:45No, but genuinely
21:46I love Jessie.
21:47I think everyone
21:48loves Jessie, right?
21:49I love her to bits.
21:50Yes.
21:50So then you asked them
21:51to kill her.
21:53No, that's not true.
21:55He didn't ask.
21:56He told them.
21:57Oh, sorry.
21:57Demanded.
21:58Yeah.
21:59Jessie's name was not
22:00I did not bring
22:01Jessie's name into it.
22:02Well, they brought
22:02Jessie's name into it.
22:04You did then say
22:05at the next opportunity
22:06you might get
22:07an opportunity to recruit
22:08turn that down
22:09murder Jessie
22:11and then at the next
22:12opportunity to recruit
22:13recruit me, right?
22:14Why did you ask them
22:15to turn down
22:16the next opportunity
22:17to seduce
22:18and murder Jessie
22:20or murder the next person
22:21they were going to murder?
22:21A few reasons.
22:22They could recruit me
22:23immediately
22:24and then just
22:25get me banished.
22:26Yeah.
22:27Or if they murder Jessie
22:28that's two murders
22:29because there wasn't
22:29going to be a murder
22:30that night.
22:30Yeah.
22:31There's another murder.
22:32It just buys me
22:32a little bit more time.
22:33So it's the time
22:34thing.
22:34Yeah, but then also
22:35it was just a way
22:37I don't know
22:37I just felt like
22:38I felt like I just
22:39wanted to assert
22:40a little bit of power.
22:41Yeah.
22:42It just happened
22:43to be honest.
22:43I kind of
22:44but yeah, I just thought
22:45a wee tiny little bit
22:46of control
22:47and also yeah
22:48show them
22:49that I'm capable.
22:50When did Jessie find out
22:52about what you'd offered
22:53to the traitors?
22:54Was it when the episode
22:55went out
22:55or did you give her
22:56a heads up
22:57about what you'd said
22:57to the traitors?
22:58Yeah, I wanted to give
22:59her a heads up.
22:59I couldn't let her watch that
23:01because I love Jessie.
23:03I'm so sorry Jessie.
23:05And actually she was
23:06not, I wouldn't say delighted
23:07but she thought
23:11it was great
23:12and she
23:13was very good about it.
23:15I think like you say
23:16she was
23:17going to get murdered.
23:18Yeah.
23:18It added a little bit
23:20more drama
23:20to her
23:21story.
23:23Because I think
23:23they were kind of being
23:24when you asked them
23:25who you're going to kill next
23:26they were being pretty truthful
23:27about who was in their mind
23:29for murder.
23:30And I genuinely
23:30had been saying
23:31I want to win with Jessie
23:32as a faithful.
23:33I really trusted Jessie.
23:35Genuinely
23:36you could not have
23:36picked a worse name.
23:38And it had crossed my mind
23:40to say
23:41Kill someone else.
23:43Yeah.
23:43I thought
23:44how cool would it be
23:45to be the first
23:46faithful
23:47to like
23:48put a hit out
23:49on someone.
23:51Genuinely
23:51I thought
23:52Kill James instead.
23:53Kill James instead.
23:54I thought about it
23:55and that would again
23:56prove
23:57my
23:57ability.
23:59Your ruthlessness
23:59as a faithful.
24:00And then I just thought
24:01I cannot do that.
24:03I love that you said
24:04you wanted to win
24:05with Jessie
24:05as a faithful
24:06but as soon as
24:06you got into that church
24:07you said
24:08I killed Jessie
24:08I don't want to be a traitor.
24:09The complete opposite.
24:11Did you expect them
24:12to go through with this?
24:13Did you expect them
24:14to agree with you
24:15and follow through on it?
24:16You can't trust a traitor.
24:18You can't.
24:19Because you sort of
24:20you weren't offering
24:21much in return
24:22for them doing that right?
24:24Because you couldn't
24:24protect them
24:25because you didn't
24:25know who they were.
24:26But I was offering them
24:27a willing recruit.
24:29Yes.
24:29Which is not always
24:30I think that went against you
24:32because you shown
24:33that you were happy
24:34to get rid of Jessie
24:35and they were like
24:36whoa
24:36he was happy to get rid of Jessie
24:38you might be happy
24:39to get rid of us.
24:40But I was probably
24:41going to be murdered
24:42immediately.
24:43Well I mean
24:44I was up for murder
24:45that episode.
24:46I just think
24:46I would have been gone.
24:48It was such a clever way
24:49of using that power
24:50to be able to speak
24:51to the traitors.
24:51It was such good television
24:52and the fact that
24:53you and Harriet
24:54did such wildly
24:55different things.
24:56Oh wow.
24:57I can't think of
24:58a better two people
24:59to go in there.
24:59Because you're in there
25:00absolutely being like
25:01I'd love to join you guys.
25:02And Harriet's in there
25:03going I'm going to destroy you.
25:05It literally ruined your life.
25:07Oh my word I know.
25:08That was the most
25:09amazing experience.
25:10How did you feel
25:11watching that backwatch
25:11in Harriet?
25:12Because you obviously
25:13wouldn't have seen
25:13until it got aired.
25:14No.
25:15No.
25:15Unbelievable.
25:15Insane.
25:16Unbelievable.
25:17In breakfast
25:17Harriet told everyone
25:19the question
25:20as you decided
25:21to keep it
25:21close to your chest.
25:22Yeah.
25:22Do you wish
25:23you didn't do that?
25:23Do you wish
25:24you told the players?
25:25No because
25:25it was like
25:26the ultimate test
25:27of delayed gratification.
25:28so I had a plan
25:29in place
25:29had they recruited me
25:31because I could have
25:32come down to breakfast
25:32and given
25:33two fake answers
25:35and that would have
25:36taken the heat off me
25:37but there was the chance
25:39that they might recruit me
25:40and if that happened
25:41then my plan was
25:43so I go up
25:44meet them
25:45hi Rachel
25:46hi Stephen
25:47come down to breakfast
25:48I might have waited
25:49until the round table
25:50I'm not sure
25:51but then I would have been
25:51okay everyone
25:52I know that
25:53I've kept back
25:54these questions
25:56that I asked
25:56but I had to do that
25:57because of what
25:59I had planned
26:00I asked the traders
26:01who they were going
26:01to recruit next
26:02obviously had I told you
26:03the answer
26:04the person wouldn't
26:05have accepted
26:05the recruitment
26:06the person they told me
26:07they were going to
26:08recruit was
26:09Rachel
26:11I love that so much
26:14that is amazing
26:15oh gosh
26:16I'm so sad
26:17I love it
26:19I couldn't have
26:20you know what
26:20actually though
26:21I don't know
26:22what I would have done
26:23because I genuinely
26:24had a really lovely
26:26relationship with both
26:27Rachel and Stephen
26:27they were probably
26:28actually Aunt Harriet
26:29although what happened
26:31with me and Harriet
26:31at the round table
26:32happened
26:32we had a lovely
26:34relationship
26:34but I don't know
26:36I just don't know
26:37how I would have
26:37responded when I
26:38went up there
26:38yeah
26:39I presume Matthew
26:41the words you wanted
26:41to hear at breakfast
26:42the next day
26:43were
26:44okay over to you
26:45your catchphrase please
26:46I'm flabbergasted
26:48no
26:48no
26:48not that one
26:49not that one
26:50so we're talking
26:53there's been a recruitment
26:53oh sorry
26:55sorry
26:55Kate it's your own
26:56bloody catchphrase
26:57bless you for knowing me
26:59better than I know myself
27:00I love that
27:00do that one again
27:01as I threw to you
27:04with that
27:04I thought
27:05Kate's not been
27:05listening to the context
27:06I've been totally
27:07listening
27:08but I didn't
27:09I didn't
27:09sorry
27:09chuck me the ball again
27:11okay
27:11I presume Matthew
27:13the words that you
27:13wanted to hear
27:14at that breakfast
27:15the next morning
27:15were
27:16Kate over to you
27:17somebody's been
27:18recruited
27:19well no actually
27:22unfortunately
27:24that's the opposite
27:24of what you wanted to hear
27:25well I think you take on
27:30our first title of
27:31traitorous faithful
27:32that will always stand out
27:34as being like
27:34an iconic moment
27:35yeah
27:36might have it season 10
27:37or whatever
27:37that will always be like
27:39a killer moment
27:40and they'll all be
27:41winning
27:41but after winning
27:42run a fist in
27:44run a fist in
27:45series 5
27:46they'll all be doing
27:47all the faithful
27:47they'll be standing up
27:48at breakfast going
27:49I don't know who you are
27:50but please recruit me
27:51seduce me
27:52seduce me
27:53you can seduce me
27:55sadly we've run out
27:57of time here
27:58but the party continues
27:59in our bonus episode
28:00of Uncloaked
28:00on BBC Sounds
28:01we're going to find out
28:03other questions
28:03Matthew considered
28:04asking the traitors
28:05plus I'll be getting
28:06Jake and Leanne's
28:07final week tips
28:08on how to go all the way
28:09and be crowned a winner
28:10you can scan the QR code
28:11on screen right now
28:12to listen
28:13and for the first time
28:14ever we are giving
28:15you the opportunity
28:16to ask your burning
28:17questions to the finalists
28:18and Claudia
28:19on Friday night's
28:20grand finale
28:21please send them
28:22to uncloaked
28:22at bbc.co.uk
28:23along with your name
28:24and where you're from
28:25and then listen out
28:26for them in the final
28:27BBC Sounds bonus episode
28:29a massive thanks
28:30to Kate, Leanne,
28:30Jake and Matthew
28:31for joining me
28:32I'm Ed Gamble
28:33stay faithful
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28:38continues tomorrow
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