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00:00On Fanning at Whelan's tonight, Darren Kiley is here, he's from Cork.
00:19We've got Waylon Wyatt, he's from Arkansas.
00:22Ellie O'Neill is upstairs on the acoustic stage.
00:25And Bold Love back downstairs on the main floor.
00:29And Declan McKenna, he talks us through a bunch of tracks that he loves.
00:36But we'll start tonight with the first of two numbers from the band whose third album is released in March, The Scratch.
00:59Oh!
01:00Yeah!
01:01Yeah!
01:02Yeah!
01:03Yeah!
01:04You're not the only cause
01:22To face it out
01:23And I get down the belt
01:26And I get in
01:27Send away the head on a shovel
01:44What you say might give it away
01:47Might lead to trouble
01:48Send away the head on a shovel
01:54And the rest of them
01:56To live into an unrest
01:59Will be forgiven
02:00And you're not the only God
02:05To face it out
02:08And I get down the belt
02:11And I get down the belt
02:12To get down the belt
02:16And I get down the belt
02:21And I get down the belt
02:22And I get down the belt
02:22When the cost was no sugar
03:58Yeah.
03:59I remember printing out the lyrics to that one.
04:00It's probably like three or four A4 pages.
04:02Yeah.
04:03I still don't know the verses, but I love it.
04:05I love everything about Bob Dylan.
04:08I love it.
04:09It's just always been playing in our house.
04:11I think that's his greatest song ever.
04:13Yeah.
04:14The imagery in it is insane.
04:15Yeah.
04:16It's interesting because I don't listen to songs initially and hear the lyrics.
04:21Oh, no.
04:22But that one, I remember thinking like all the different images coming into my head.
04:27I'm like, this is absolutely mad.
04:29Yeah.
04:30But yeah, he's a genius.
04:31And how does the song come together for you?
04:32Is it first on piano or first on guitar or first on whatever?
04:36It's been different.
04:38I think my favorite ones have more been a vibe of guitar and shouting out random things.
04:44And then it means something.
04:47The lyrics are the last thing to come.
04:49It's more, you know, a feeling initially.
04:51And then I'll decide what to write it about.
04:53So was COVID a moment for you then?
04:54Said, right, this is definitely what I want to do.
04:56Because I know you went to the 2019 electric picnic.
04:58What was it about that that you said, this is it?
05:00I don't care about anything else.
05:01I'm going to do music.
05:03Like, I think when you go to any gig, there's like a magic feeling.
05:06When you enjoy one, there's this kind of hard to put your finger on magic feeling.
05:10And I think at festivals, that's where that's amplified to the magic.
05:13That's amplified to the max.
05:14I feel like the vibes are just as good as they could be.
05:17And that's kind of what I felt at Electric Picnic that time.
05:20And I remember I went away from there going, like, I really don't mind what it takes or what stage I can get to play on at Electric Picnic.
05:28Hopefully I can just rock up in my car and play in some random stage in whatever woods they'll have me.
05:33Eventually, I think that would be the, that was honestly the dream.
05:37You went to Nashville.
05:38Nashville is famous.
05:39People always go on about this, that and the other.
05:41But one thing they forget about, it's one of the most famous places of all to collaborate and write songs with other people.
05:46Have you been collaborating and writing songs with other people?
05:49Trying to. I'm trying to collaborate, yeah.
05:51It's been a crazy experience.
05:53I didn't actually know, like, even when I was living in New York, I had no idea that people wrote songs with other people.
05:59Yeah.
06:00And then I moved to Nashville and, yeah, I was lucky enough to get into rooms with people who, you know, have written humongous hits.
06:05Yeah.
06:06And it's unbelievably inspiring, daunting.
06:10Like, you feel like, there's no way I can do it.
06:13Like, you know, you're watching how talented some of these people are, but it's definitely something I'm very lucky to have.
06:18Okay, well then what about the Something Matter of what you write about?
06:20Because, I mean, for instance, you've got an EP out of about seven tracks or so.
06:23Um, they're not the happiest pieces of music in the world. Like, Ocean is about the only one.
06:27Like, the other six, wow, you know, you're not man-expressing.
06:30They sound, no, they sound happy though, I think.
06:32Like, it's kind of like...
06:33Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:34So I'm like, I'm okay with it, you know?
06:35Yeah.
06:36It's like not, you know, completely depressing, I think. I kind of forget that too, you know, you say it there.
06:40No, by the way, there's nothing wrong with depressing music.
06:42Yeah. No, but people would say it to me, they're like, you know, um, I think when they meet me, I think they maybe expect that I'm, like, miserable.
06:50Uh, but I'm not, I've got it out in the songs. Um, it's so much harder to write a happy song too.
06:56Okay, well, you're gonna give us something else later on. Thanks, Darren, goodbye yourself.
06:59Thank you. Thanks a million.
07:09Hey, yo, I'm Waylon Wyatt. Mr. Cannon Rogers on guitar over here for me.
07:14We are live in Dublin. This song's called Arkansas Diamond.
07:18I wrote this song because, uh, my home state's Arkansas and wanted Arkansas to have their own anthem.
07:23And I wanted to bring a little bit of Arkansas with me wherever I go because I've traveled the world a lot.
07:27And, uh, yeah, so I wrote this song and now Arkansas gets to have a piece of everything I do.
07:33Call her up in the middle of the morning. 5 o'clock on the dark out of warnin'.
07:42Call her up in the middle of the morning
07:54Five o'clock on the dark, down a warning
07:58Pouring my heart out into the fall
08:03Half awake and barely asleep
08:09There was pain listening to her dreams
08:14Hearing that voice makes me feel at all
08:18And it's a blessing just to know her name
08:24The sparkle in her eyes to put the stars
08:28To shame and it's a wonder if she'll ever think twice
08:32On a wretch like me, wouldn't that be nice
08:37It's far brighter than the marks on diamonds
08:42Trees begging it, Texans rising
08:46Lord knows poor men like me would do
08:51Anything good, your love is what I'm finding
08:58Good night, sparks and shining
09:02A gem like you start finding
09:05So keep on digging for the dark saw diamond
09:09She lives a life wild and free
09:15She lives a life wild and free
09:29Doesn't know what she means to me
09:33Doesn't have a single clue in the world
09:37But she'll always have a mark
09:44No matter where you are
09:49It'll always belong to you, girl
09:53It's a blessing just to know her touch
09:59Her sweet southern jaw will make you fall in love
10:04And this lady that I hold so dear
10:07Well, I'd be nothing without her here
10:12Smile brighter than the marks on diamonds
10:17Dreams bigger than Texans rising
10:21Lord knows poor men like me
10:26Would do anything
10:28Anything good, your love is what I'm finding
10:33Good night, sparks and shining
10:37A gem like you start finding
10:40So keep on digging for the dark saw diamond
10:44Keep on digging for the dark saw diamond
11:00And from Waylon Wyatt to Ellie O'Neill from County Meath
11:07Who took a course on songwriting and creativity
11:10At the BIM Music Institute in Dublin
11:12But dropped out to study English at Trinity College
11:14She's been writing songs since she was 12
11:16Became enamoured with musical theatre for a while
11:19And in late 25 released two singles
11:21Bohemia in November
11:22And Little Sister at the beginning of December
11:25This one's called Sisters of the Sea
11:27To repeat is to be born again
11:34In angel arms
11:35The scutted noise
11:37The returned self
11:38Could never need machinery
11:41For slowing down
11:43The blushes time leaves all around
11:45On the rock
11:46That hardened use
11:48The same that carried me right through
11:51And oh, on the first flight in
11:57You'll come red hair shining
12:03And oh, I don't know what to say
12:09Cause it's been so long
12:12It's been so long
12:14To repeat is to be born again
12:19In angel arms
12:21The scutted noise
12:22The returned self
12:24Could never need machinery
12:26For slowing down
12:27The blushes time leaves all around
12:30And the rock
12:31That hardened use
12:33The same that carried me right through
12:36And oh, on the first flight in
12:43You'll come red hair shining
12:48And oh, on the first flight in
12:55It's been so long
12:57It's been so long
12:59It's been so long
13:00In the well
13:02Where time disappears
13:05Is your camera lens
13:08And the new stones
13:10In your ears
13:12What else did I miss
13:14My Sister of the Sea
13:20And oh, on the first flight in
13:24Your soul
13:25Is your canvas
13:27Oh, on the first flight in
13:28You'll come red hair
13:29And knit AWP
13:42I swear why I'm ah
13:44Yeah can't look
13:45On the first flight in, you'll come
13:52Red hair shining and gone
13:57I won't know what to say
14:01Cause it's been so long
14:04It's always so long
14:07In the way our time disappears
14:13Is your camera lens on your stones and your ears
14:19What else can I kiss my sister of the sea?
14:24And that's Ellie O'Neill next up on the programme
14:44Declan McKenna talks us through some of his favourite music
14:47And welcome back
15:05Declan McKenna was born in Enfield in London
15:08His grandparents hailed from Cavan and Cork
15:10Ten years ago, he won the Emerging Talent Competition at the Glastonbury Festival
15:14He has 9 million monthly listeners on Spotify
15:17And his debut single boasts 850 million streams
15:20He released his third album in 2024
15:23So what kind of music does he like?
15:25Zach Thompson for one
15:26Now you are a shadow in your face
15:32Be as it may
15:36You said I was a stranger
15:44A friend you never knew
15:49There you go
15:52Favourite album time on the programme right now
15:54And Declan McKenna is here
15:56Declan, you're very welcome
15:56We've just seen Zach Thompson
15:58Who is Zach Thompson?
15:59I've never heard of him, sorry
16:00Yeah, so I mean I came across his music
16:03Because I was chatting to a few guys
16:06Who'd worked on like a video for him
16:08And they played me this song
16:10One morning and it was
16:13It was that same one
16:14Be as it may
16:15I was just kind of like blown away
16:17I don't know
16:18It was so organic and so refreshing
16:20And it felt like something very old school
16:23So I've just been listening to that one a lot recently
16:26And yeah, I don't know a whole pile about him really
16:30Other than, yeah, I think he's from Yorkshire
16:32And yeah
16:33A Yorkshire folky kind of, is he?
16:36Yeah
16:36Okay, well this next person is not from Yorkshire
16:38And she's got nine albums out
16:40And that's St Vincent
16:40Yeah
16:41And you took something from the second album
16:43Why that?
16:43I could have picked a lot of songs
16:45Because she's one of my favourite artists of all time
16:47But that second album's really cool
16:50It's got like a real grip to it
16:51But then there's this beautiful orchestral side to it
16:54Which I think
16:54I think it just kind of has the whole St Vincent sound
16:57That I think of
16:58As like a big fan of hers
16:59And The Party is a real
17:01Yeah, just like
17:03It's sort of almost trip sequence psychedelia to it
17:06But I
17:08Yeah, I just love that
17:10And she's got a weird knack
17:11With the songwriting
17:12A funny thing you didn't mention
17:14Is she's one of the best guitarists
17:15Yeah
17:16She's a brilliant guitar player
17:17Well that's it
17:17It's not one of the songs that is like
17:19So guitar focused
17:20But yeah
17:21But I think she's underrated as a songwriter
17:23Because she's such a like
17:26You know
17:26Show
17:27You know
17:28Show person
17:29And performer
17:30And guitarist
17:31Like
17:32But yeah
17:32She's one of the best guitarists around
17:33Like that's kind of really
17:34What got me into it
17:35And as a songwriter
17:36She's got a whole new bunch of fans these days
17:38Because she co-wrote
17:38Cruel Summer
17:39With Taylor Swift
17:40And Olivia Rodrigo
17:41Some Olivia Rodrigo tunes
17:42And stuff like that
17:43Yeah
17:44I mean
17:44It feels like she's really coming to
17:45Like a new world
17:46In recent years
17:47But I've been the fan
17:48Sort of
17:48For quite some time
17:49Alright then
17:50Let's take a listen
17:50Anne-Aaron Clarke
17:51Is her real name
17:52This is Saint Vincent
17:53Do you have change
17:57Or a button
17:58Or cash
18:00Cause my pockets hang out
18:03Like to surrender flags
18:07Oh but I'd pay anything
18:10To keep my conscience clean
18:15I am keeping my eyes
18:18On the exit signs steady now
18:22Okay Saint Vincent was that one there
18:24You now yourself
18:25You've got three albums out now right
18:27Okay
18:28The first two
18:29Could I say that they were really
18:31Kind of about world events if you like
18:33But now that you're older
18:34And you can write about certain personal experiences
18:36You can write about yourself
18:37Yeah
18:38I mean it's a simplification
18:39But yeah
18:40It's something like that
18:41As well it's just like getting space
18:43From doing the same things
18:45Over and over again
18:46And you know
18:46I think I've always written about
18:48Different sort of stuff
18:49Be it in your own life
18:51Or looking at the wider world
18:52But you kind of
18:53Yeah
18:54You kind of need to keep things fresh
18:56Otherwise you wind up repeating yourself
18:58But like when you
18:59Like ten years ago
18:59Like when you were winning
19:00Whatever it was
19:01That big award
19:01From Class 3 festivals
19:02The best newcomer
19:03And all these kind of things
19:04And other awards as well
19:05You're bringing out a single
19:06Called Brazil
19:07Was it controversial
19:09In any way at all
19:09I mean it's about
19:10Either sports washing
19:11Or this place shouldn't have got
19:13The world cup
19:14Or something like that
19:14Isn't that it
19:15Yeah I mean it was kind of
19:17Like based around the corruption
19:18Scandal in like FIFA
19:20At the time
19:21And specifically what was
19:23Going on in Brazil
19:24But really it's just about
19:25Sort of
19:26Like the misappropriation
19:28Of wealth
19:28And all of this
19:30That was sort of
19:31Going on at the time
19:32And that is always going on
19:33You know
19:34In lots of different ways
19:34So I mean yeah
19:36At 15 I wrote that
19:37And kind of
19:38I don't know
19:39Discontent with the state
19:40Of things generally really
19:41Which is a lot
19:42Of that early stuff was
19:44And it kind of gets harder
19:46To articulate it
19:47In a way that feels
19:47Fresh over time
19:49You know
19:49But I was able to do it
19:51In quite an organic way
19:54I think
19:54And like
19:54It just seemed to resonate
19:56And then also like
19:57LGBTQ kind of
19:58Conversion therapy
19:59You'd be against that
20:00To the point where
20:01You got a pen to paper
20:02Or else
20:03Maybe you did it this way
20:04And you wrote to the
20:05Then Prime Minister of England
20:06Liz Truss
20:07I have to know
20:08Did you get an answer back?
20:10I don't think I did personally
20:12But I did sort of sign
20:14Part of a petition
20:17To sort of
20:19Ban and tackle
20:20Conversion therapy
20:21And I don't think
20:22It's really
20:22Fully been dealt with
20:24Really like
20:26Yeah
20:27Unfortunately not
20:29I have written to
20:30A few politicians
20:31In my time
20:32My local MP as well
20:33In Chesland
20:34Charles Walker
20:35And kind of
20:35Got a bit of a nothing response
20:37So yeah
20:39Not really
20:39And by the way
20:40I have to ask
20:40The name Declan McKenna
20:41Right
20:42The Irish is where
20:42Grandparents is it?
20:44Yeah
20:44All my grandparents
20:46On both sides of my family
20:47Are from Ireland basically
20:49Cork and Cavern
20:50Cork and Cavern
20:51Yeah
20:51Have you ever been
20:52To Cork and Cavern?
20:53Yeah
20:53I filmed the music video
20:56For Nothing Works in Cavern
20:57Oh right
20:58It was that one
20:58It was there in Cavern
20:59Yeah
20:59On the last album
21:00The next one I want to play
21:01Here is the one
21:02That I do know very well
21:03Because I really like this band
21:04Dirty Projectors
21:05Now having said
21:05I don't know all their albums
21:08But I know enough
21:08And this is the one I do know
21:10Swing Low Magellan
21:11Swing Low Magellan
21:11But you didn't pick the song
21:12You should have picked
21:13Which is the first song
21:14Which
21:14Well there's gone with no trigger
21:15Right
21:16Oh that's an amazing song
21:17Yeah
21:18I mean there's so many
21:19Great songs on that
21:20But there's ones
21:20That kind of feel like
21:22Really strange
21:23He's pushing like weird songwriting
21:25And there's some
21:25That just feel so classic
21:26Like Swing Low Magellan
21:27And like
21:28Impegnable Question
21:29That just feel like timeless
21:31Offspring of Blank
21:32Offspring of Blank
21:33That's the best track
21:33Really do you think so
21:35I would
21:35I don't know
21:36There's a lot of good shouts
21:38In there
21:38I think about to die
21:39That as well as the one
21:40That got me really into it
21:41It's got the crazy
21:42Like talking drum
21:43And stuff
21:44And he did that whole album
21:45I think on like a four track
21:47Recorder
21:48And it's so
21:48It's so cool
21:49Do you know
21:50Another thing about it too
21:51The cover of the album
21:52Yeah
21:53I don't know
21:53What's going on there
21:54Is this old guy talking
21:55To the two of them
21:55Yeah
21:56No
21:56I don't
21:57I don't know
21:58I sat looking at it for hours
22:00Once
22:00What's going on
22:01Anyway
22:01Okay
22:02Let's hear it
22:02This is Dirty Projectors
22:03Let's take another one
22:31Of your favourite music
22:32I could go for a watch post
22:34Or which post
22:35I mean
22:35I don't know which post
22:36At all
22:36So tell me who they are
22:38So which post
22:39Is a duo
22:41Of Dylan Fraser
22:43And American artist
22:45Alaska Reed
22:46Who I think have both
22:47Been doing like
22:48Other projects
22:48For a while
22:49And sort of
22:50In amongst
22:50Music industry
22:51For a while
22:51But come together
22:53And kind of like
22:53The way I see their project
22:56Is like
22:57They've kind of
22:57Chilled out a little bit
22:59And
23:00And started just making music
23:02Kind of for fun
23:03And started making
23:04Some of the best stuff
23:05Because I've been following
23:07Their stuff for a while
23:08Independently
23:10And yeah
23:12I think it's really special
23:14They're really cool
23:14Performing together as well
23:16They have a real difference
23:17In the two voices
23:18And they've just kind of
23:19Started to release
23:20Stuff properly
23:21In the last couple of years
23:22But
23:22I've been really enjoying it
23:25And also
23:25The soundish
23:26Kind of 90s
23:27Are you into all that
23:28Dinosaur Junior stuff
23:29Yeah
23:29Yeah
23:30I like a bit of that
23:31I think there is a bit
23:32Of a revival
23:33But it'd be interesting
23:34To see where they go
23:35It feels like
23:35Part of like
23:36A sort of 90s
23:37Revivalist wave
23:38But
23:38I think they've got
23:39A bit of an edge as well
23:41And
23:42Once again
23:44My heart
23:46Broke
23:47What you said
23:48That you're drinking
23:49And
23:50Just for once
23:52Just for once
23:54I couldn't give a damn
23:55What you
23:56I'll buy you a drink
23:58I'll spin you around
24:02Come on
24:05You got it
24:06You're only bringing it down
24:10Which post it is
24:12Now
24:12Decton
24:12The final one
24:13I want to take
24:14Is you've just had
24:14A male-female
24:15With those two
24:16Yeah
24:16So
24:17The most famous male-female
24:18Probably of the 21st century
24:20Would be
24:21White Stripes
24:22Yeah
24:22Why this song
24:23I
24:24I mean
24:24So I remember
24:25Really learning this song
24:27When I was
24:27Kind of around
24:29When I was first
24:29Learning guitar
24:30Maybe the first year
24:30Or two
24:31And
24:33Yeah
24:34It's just very special
24:35To me
24:36I've kind of been
24:37Following Jack White
24:38As well
24:39As I've gotten older
24:40And all his different
24:41Like solo
24:41Projects
24:42And that
24:43In a similar way
24:45To St Vincent
24:45He's kind of like
24:46A guitar hero to me
24:47But the White Stripes
24:48Obviously started it all
24:49And
24:49I just love the rawness
24:51Of it all
24:51Meg as well
24:52Obviously
24:53Like
24:53Just
24:54The
24:55Yeah
24:55There's
24:56Really
24:58Not been anything
24:59Else like that
25:00Since
25:00I don't think
25:01That's been quite
25:02As raw
25:03And hard hitting
25:04You know
25:05With
25:05One person
25:06You didn't pick
25:07That I thought
25:07You might pick
25:08Would be
25:08Sofjan Stevens
25:09Yeah
25:10I could have done
25:11I actually thought
25:12To pick
25:13Impossible Soul
25:16Maybe
25:16Which is like
25:17A 25
25:17Or whatever
25:18Minute long song
25:19Just because
25:20You get a lot of
25:21Bangs
25:21His titles
25:22Go on for 25 minutes
25:23Yeah
25:23His titles
25:24As well
25:24Go on
25:24I do love his stuff
25:26But
25:26I mean
25:27Picking
25:27You know
25:28Favourite songs
25:28Is kind of
25:29A constantly changing
25:30Thing
25:30If I ask you
25:31Next week
25:31It'll be five
25:32Yeah exactly
25:33It's whatever's
25:33Got my attention
25:34Because
25:35Constantly listening
25:36To different stuff
25:37And trying to get
25:38Inspired
25:38And whatever
25:39So
25:39Okay well listen
25:40Finally
25:40Like you've got
25:41The third album
25:41Out in 2024
25:42And then after that
25:44If there's a fourth album
25:45You'll now be totally
25:46And absolutely independent
25:47I am already
25:49That's what I mean
25:49Columbia Records
25:50Right
25:51Is it true
25:51I didn't even know
25:52There were 40 record labels
25:53There were 40 records labels
25:55Looking for your signature
25:55It's a kind of
25:57Misconception
25:5738
25:58It's a bit of a misconception
25:59I think it came from
26:00Like my lawyer
26:02Who was like the first person
26:03I appointed
26:04When I was 16
26:05Sort of saying
26:06Oh there's like
26:0740 odd managers
26:08Who's like
26:09Sent him an email
26:09So I think it was actually
26:10Like managers
26:12And there was a bunch
26:13Of labels interested
26:14As well
26:14But you know
26:15It felt like
26:16It probably felt like
26:1740 labels
26:18Does it help
26:18When you win
26:18The huge Glastonbury award
26:20And the enemy
26:21Says the next big thing
26:22And all that kind of thing
26:23Yeah it kind of
26:24It's a lot of pressure
26:24I think it's kind of
26:25What I've tried
26:26To like
26:28Just take my stride
26:29And move away
26:30From a little bit
26:30You know
26:31Even initially
26:32I think I was quite hesitant
26:33To accept
26:34That sort of stuff
26:36Because you know
26:37Even though I was writing
26:39About big things
26:39A lot of those songs
26:41Came from before
26:41I knew anyone
26:42Was really interested
26:43It really was just like
26:44You know
26:45Whatever came to me
26:47And whatever kind of
26:49Felt like I could say
26:50And write
26:50And all of that
26:52You know
26:52There wasn't like
26:54A plan behind it
26:55So when you like
26:56Start
26:56It starts happening
26:57And people start saying
26:58Of course
26:59All of these big things
27:00You're like
27:00Oh do I really
27:01Am I really this thing
27:03You know
27:03I think there's maybe
27:04A bit more to it
27:05And no one
27:05No one winds up liking
27:07Their like unique selling point
27:08That everyone keeps talking about
27:10It all helps
27:10Just to me
27:12I guess so
27:12I didn't love it
27:14At the time
27:14But it feels like
27:15I've been able to
27:16All right
27:16Well Declan
27:16Learn to love it
27:17Okay
27:17And good luck
27:18With Avonpour
27:19Whenever it happens
27:20Enjoy the road
27:20Here's White Stripes
27:21Declan
27:21Good man
27:22Thanks
27:22Fair play to you
27:23Yeah
27:24You don't know what love is
27:27You just do
27:27As you're told
27:29Just as a child
27:31A ten night act
27:32But you're far too low
27:34You're not hopeless
27:36Or helpless
27:37And I hate the sound you call me
27:41But you don't know
27:42What love is
27:44No you don't know
27:47What love is
27:49No you don't know
27:52What love is
27:54You just do
27:58As you're told
27:59And that's the White Stripes
28:01Now coming up in part three
28:02We've got Darren Kiley
28:04Bold Love
28:05And Pull Like a Dog
28:06Which is the title track
28:08From the forthcoming third album
28:09From the scratch
28:19And welcome back
28:29With Cian and Wayne Lee out front
28:30Never Enough is the song
28:32From Bold Love
28:33I've worn you in
28:44Like your dark bottom shoes
28:50The bleeding style
28:56Yours is an adhesive affection
29:01You stitch me up
29:09Hing to him
29:13A story straight
29:22From limb to limb
29:25I was never enough
29:36I was never enough
29:37Never enough
29:48Never enough
29:50Now it's never enough
32:51Thanks.
32:54Folks, we saw them earlier on, a track from the new album, that is, in other words, album number three, The Scratch.
32:59Welcome to the program, folks.
32:59Can I say this?
33:01You kind of started rock, you kind of started heavy rock, you kind of started metal, and then you were all trad as well, and maybe folk as well, and there's nobody else doing all that.
33:09Could I say what happened number three now?
33:11You come back to your roots.
33:12I would say, well, like, in terms of our more, the heavier side and the more metal side of our roots, definitely.
33:21Yeah, that's what I mean.
33:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say so then, yeah.
33:24I mean, not necessarily as far back as Red Enemy, but as far back as, like, what we always knew you for at the beginning.
33:29Yeah, I think it was always there in the band.
33:32I think just sonically now we've, like, I think it's, like, adding in the amps and stuff like that.
33:36Yeah, it's, I think it's, uh, that metal thing has always been there, but now it's, like, pushed a lot more to the fore sonically with the kind of choices we made in the studio and stuff.
33:47But, yeah, I think, I think it's, yeah, it's safe to say we went in, went in on the heavy thing this time.
33:52We can do it live now.
33:54Yeah, yeah.
33:55And the Pull Like a Dog album, the third album, is it your best?
33:59Easily.
34:00Easily.
34:00I think so, yeah.
34:02Absolutely.
34:02The most fun to record, anyway, we did it with John Spud Murphy, and it was definitely the most fun to record.
34:06It was the most fun I've ever had in a studio working with someone.
34:09He's, uh, he's an enthusiastic man for, for metal.
34:12Hold on, James Vincent McMurray was pretty cool, too, was he?
34:14Yeah, he produced, absolutely.
34:16Yeah, yeah.
34:17He doesn't have the...
34:17He learned a lot from the man.
34:18Yeah.
34:19I'll tell you one thing about James Vincent McMurray, he likes his metal.
34:22He does?
34:22Well, that was the thing, so...
34:23Deftones is his biggest thing.
34:24Well, I first, when I first met him, he knew Red Enemy.
34:29And I was like, what?
34:29I was like, I wasn't expecting him to say that.
34:31And then, it turns out we liked all the same band, so it was actually, it kind of made sense, you know, in that way.
34:36He was kind of nudging us in this direction, as well.
34:39He wanted us to go heavier on the last album, and we didn't, so...
34:43Yeah, I think it was high time.
34:45You know, sometimes with a band, something happens, and it kind of really helps,
34:47and maybe it focuses the way you think about what you're doing.
34:50You went to Bally Shannon, you went to the Rory Gallagher Festival,
34:53you did some, whatever it was, I don't know, it got filmed, and it got put up there.
34:57And suddenly, I was like, wow!
34:58All these people looking at us.
34:59Was that a real, Philip, was that a real first two sort of steps on the ladder?
35:04Yeah, well, I think that was the big moment.
35:07That was kind of like the first transition moment from like, oh, we're just a busking band.
35:12Yeah, yeah.
35:13You know, with no vocals, or we were just like having fun to like, oh, actually, this is,
35:17we should probably give this a go, and like really explore where we can take it.
35:21And I think that, that Rory Gallagher Festival, that whole viral video thing was,
35:26I think that, that was the kind of push we needed to do that.
35:29So, yeah, it was a big, it was a big one, yeah.
35:31And the fun you've had in the last while, I mean, Dermot Kennedy, Australia,
35:35was that a tour, or one gig, or what was it?
35:38Well, we'd done, what was it, five dates overall, five or six.
35:41So, yeah, Dermot Kennedy asked us to go over and play Mishnock Festival,
35:44which was great, you know, some whopper bands on it.
35:46And then we just added some, some of our own dates around it as well,
35:50so we got to see a bit of the country.
35:52It was great, yeah, it was a great scene out there.
35:54Fair play to Dermot.
35:55Yeah.
35:55God bless you.
35:55Absolutely legend.
35:56He brought so many Irish bands over.
35:58He gave a lot of Irish bands their first crack at Australia.
36:01And then US tours as well, I mean, you've been,
36:03you've played a lot of gigs in America.
36:06Yeah, we're going back there in the middle of this year coming.
36:09It's been amazing.
36:10Yeah, we didn't hit it this year, we were more doing, like, the European stuff.
36:13But is it nice now to have three albums now out?
36:15You have three albums worth of material,
36:17you have, like, more than a full set twice over.
36:19100%, yeah, for picking tunes,
36:20and so it kind of keeps it a bit fresher,
36:22and you kind of have more stuff to draw on.
36:24I think, like, on the, I think on the last album,
36:27I think we were probably, like, lacking a few of the more, like,
36:30energetic stuff.
36:31So now it's, like, with this album,
36:34there's, like, we've just a whole batch of new kind of, like,
36:37bangers, really, you know?
36:38So it's, yeah, I think it's exciting that,
36:40I'm excited to start putting a set together,
36:43like I said, with everything we've done up to this point.
36:45And do you annoy Shania Twain when you played Glastonbury?
36:48Let's face it, you were playing at the same time,
36:49so you obviously took loads of people away from it.
36:51I would have been there if we weren't playing, to be honest.
36:52I was, I had one ear on her set,
36:55and one ear on my guitar, like.
36:58That was the album of, oh, that was it, summer of 97.
37:01That was a rough clash.
37:02Another funny little thing that happens is, like, you know,
37:04this thing comes on TV, it's a massive amount of money,
37:06it's a big, huge programme, it's going everywhere around the world,
37:09and the whole soundtrack is Irish bands.
37:10It's the House of Guinness.
37:12Did you kind of say, oh, this would be really good,
37:14or just say, yeah, why not?
37:15You know, I was talking, I was talking to my mum last night
37:17about it, and I was like, you know what, I actually,
37:21usually with this kind of stuff, you're like,
37:23oh, yeah, cool, like, we have a tune on a show or whatever,
37:26but I kind of feel like, I feel like the House of Guinness thing
37:28and the way they used all the music in it
37:31was actually really clever, and, like,
37:32just the fact that they made that decision to pick Irish bands,
37:36it's, like, immortalising that period a little bit,
37:38and I kind of think fair play to them for making that choice,
37:42and I'm buzzing about being, it's a kind of,
37:44it's an honour to be involved with and be alongside all those bands,
37:47bands we love, you know what I mean,
37:49and bands, other Irish bands that have been so inspiring
37:52to us the last few years,
37:53and I think it's great to have it all in one show.
37:56Yeah, and it is there.
37:57It's classic, it's fair play to them, mate.
37:59And we'll take another live number from the scratch in a few minutes,
38:02but right now, you met him earlier, Darren Kiley.
38:12Sometimes I wish that I'd fall
38:15I wish that I could save you're all I want
38:40A thousand miles away
38:43Late days
38:49You're checking your phone
38:51New state
38:53I've never been here before
38:55Please wait for me
38:59Oh, I hate the way
39:00I have to leave the light on
39:03When I leave
39:04If it gets too much
39:09You can't bear the weight
39:11Just let me go
39:13Before you start the break
39:15It's not your fault
39:17It's me who couldn't stay
39:19Cause I'm the one
39:20Cause I'm the one
39:21To blame
39:22Late days
39:25You're checking your phone
39:28New state
39:30I've never been here before
39:33Please wait for me
39:35Please wait for me
39:36Oh, I hate the way
39:38I have to leave the light on
39:40When I leave
39:41Cold
39:42Sweats
39:43Keep it
39:44Come by
39:45Head
39:47Rest
39:48I know that I should be
39:50In peace
39:51Pray
39:52For me
39:53Cause I hate the way
39:55You have to leave the light on
39:58When I leave
39:59I should give you
40:00I know
40:01I should give you
40:02I know
40:03I should give you
40:05I know
40:06I should give you up
40:07I know
40:08What I'm giving
40:09I know
40:10What I'm giving
40:11I know
40:12That it's so far from enough
40:14Late text
40:19You're checking your phone
40:21New stage
40:23I've never been here before
40:26Don't
40:27Wait
40:28For me
40:29Cause I hate
40:30The way
40:31You have to leave the light on
40:33When I leave
40:35Cold
40:36Sweats
40:37Keep it
40:38Come by
40:39The bed
40:40Head
40:41Rest
40:42I know
40:43That I should be
40:44Please
40:45Pray
40:46For me
40:47Cause I hate
40:48The way
40:49You have to leave the light on
40:51When I leave
40:52When I leave
40:53When I leave
40:54When I leave
40:58Oh, I hate the way you have to leave the light on.
41:17And from Darren Kiley to a quick look at next week on Fanning at Whelan's, Bray outfit
41:21Florence Roeder here. So is the guy who took us through his favourite music earlier, Declan
41:25McKenna. Madra Solek are here also and so is Khaki Kid and we'll talk with and take a couple
41:31of numbers from the celebrated actor, star of Band of Brothers, Homeland and Billions
41:36and musician Damien Lewis and his band. But I'll leave you with another number from the
41:41scratch in the title track of their third album. The album is going to be released on
41:45March the 13th. Pull like a dog. See ya.
41:55Oh, she flew. I must cut her. Right, she said. And she never rode.
42:05Fall like a dog.
42:08Rollin' and rollin' and rollin'. I was gone till soldier do it.
42:20Shoot on the hip. Have eyes Can't get some tricks. Give it a roll.
42:33Always big. Don't do the passion Think up on the pulse
42:37And always withck There's no patience That's usually over prose
42:43I could never erode
42:46Rowin' and rowin' and rowin'
42:55Dark noise but the spirit's flowin'
43:03Only hearsay comes so deep
43:06Rowin' and rowin' and rowin'
43:10Hope she flew, I lost better
43:13What she said, I should never erode
43:19Hope she flew, I lost better
43:25What she said, I should never erode
43:36So pullin' like a duck
43:47All I hear say comes so deep
43:55Hope she flew, I lost better
44:01What she said, I should never erode
44:07Hope she flew, I lost better
44:13What she said, I should never erode
44:19Oh, like a duck
44:23Always be told to go
44:31Plasticly homogamous
44:34With a little patience
44:38Always be told to go
44:48Plasticly homogamous
44:50Always be told to go
44:52Patience
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