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00:00:00Some stories are unforgettable. This is one of them.

00:00:06People started reaching out to me and they're like,

00:00:08did you hear what happened at Connie's house?

00:00:10And we heard it was a break-in.

00:00:12It was an alarming scene.

00:00:14He was in the kitchen, bound to a folding chair, moaning.

00:00:17She was located in the basement, dressed in workout gear.

00:00:21There was obvious signs of gunshot wound to her.

00:00:24It was like a sick feeling. Connie didn't make it.

00:00:27There's this big mystery in town.

00:00:29I don't know who came in and did this.

00:00:31One big clue?

00:00:32The killer apparently had a voice similar to a huge Hollywood star.

00:00:36Based on the description, it's one I definitely wouldn't forget.

00:00:40I just heard this in diesel-like voice.

00:00:45We had unidentified DNA in six key places.

00:00:49A lot of information started coming out, including a big bombshell.

00:00:53Unbelievable.

00:00:54She really became one of your key witnesses.

00:00:57She was not a willing witness.

00:01:00It was difficult.

00:01:01You took a number of electronic devices from the house.

00:01:04I took the Fitbit transmitter off of her body.

00:01:06That little device had quite a story to tell.

00:01:10We all leave digital footprints today.

00:01:12This one became an investigator's best friend.

00:01:15It was a silent witness.

00:01:17Correct.

00:01:17Digital evidence is powerful.

00:01:19This was a big twist that you were not expecting.

00:01:22No.

00:01:23It's devastation. It's betrayal.

00:01:24How could this happen?

00:01:26My jaw almost dropped to the floor.

00:01:28I just kept on thinking, oh my God.

00:01:31This is Dateline Unforgettable.

00:01:40I'm Andrea Canning with a fresh look at the secrets of Birchview Drive.

00:01:44Every so often you meet someone who has a certain energy, the kind everyone gravitates toward.

00:01:52Connie DeBate's loved ones told me she was that person.

00:01:56They said she instantly made you feel like her best friend.

00:02:00And as I went from house to house in her tiny cul-de-sac, I sensed that love in every Connie story I heard.

00:02:06So imagine the devastation when they learned she was murdered.

00:02:11Now all those friends and her family wanted answers.

00:02:18Birchview Drive was a quiet street in a quiet neighborhood in a quiet Connecticut town called Ellington.

00:02:26It was also home to three boisterous friends, Darlene Beaudry, Peggy Giotzis, and Connie DeBate.

00:02:33You all lived so close to each other.

00:02:35Yeah, we did. We did.

00:02:37We do.

00:02:37That's my house over there.

00:02:40That's my house there, and Connie lived right back there.

00:02:44Close houses, even closer friends.

00:02:47Connie always knew how to make herself at home.

00:02:50My favorite thing that she did is she would, back then we would always leave the garage doors open.

00:02:55So she'd come through the garage, she'd say, honey, I'm home.

00:02:59And then just like Peggy did today, she would just, she'd just walk right in.

00:03:03There was no knocking, there was, she'd just throw the door open.

00:03:06I think you three have a friendship that so many of us ladies would love to have.

00:03:12We actually really did become like family.

00:03:14We cooked together, hung out together.

00:03:17Peggy would offer endless advice about babies.

00:03:19And you guys had a name for yourselves?

00:03:22Either the three musketeers or the three amigos.

00:03:25Depending on whatever day.

00:03:27We had a lot of fun together.

00:03:30Fun.

00:03:31Connie was all about the fun, especially with the holiday season upon them.

00:03:35But on the morning of December 23rd, 2015, there was only chaos at Connie's house.

00:03:43I came to the sink and I look over and I'm like, holy cow, there's a state trooper with his rifle drawn on the house.

00:03:52Peggy immediately called Connie, but she didn't pick up.

00:03:55So Peggy tried Darlene.

00:03:57And asked her if she knew what was going on and had she heard from Connie.

00:04:02And she said there was a first responder car and a sheriff at Connie's house and he was outside the car with his rifle.

00:04:10That's really scary.

00:04:12It was like, what?

00:04:14Before we can say another sentence, this entire street was full of state troopers.

00:04:21The driveway had about a thousand of them coming up.

00:04:24Are they screaming?

00:04:26They're screeching in.

00:04:27They're screeching in one by one.

00:04:29But yes, yes.

00:04:30I mean, it was like.

00:04:31Full speed.

00:04:32Something you would see out in movies.

00:04:34Yeah.

00:04:35The massive police presence was in response to an alarm triggered at the house Connie shared with her husband.

00:04:4239-year-old Rick DeBate and their two children.

00:04:45That and a cryptic 911 call.

00:04:47911.

00:04:50Hello?

00:04:52Anyhow?

00:04:54David Lamoureux and Ryan Luther raced to the scene.

00:04:58Back then, they were Connecticut state police detectives.

00:05:02What do you see as you pull up in this, you know, quiet suburban neighborhood?

00:05:06There was numerous uniformed troopers there.

00:05:08It was our canine unit troopers there with their canines out.

00:05:12And they had the scene secured at the time with crime scene tape.

00:05:15I believe media was actually starting to show up.

00:05:17What are you being told by the first responders about what they saw in the house?

00:05:22Initially, that it was called in as a home invasion and that there was a deceased person in the basement.

00:05:26Troopers were already scouring the neighborhood, pounding on doors up and down the street.

00:05:32They were saying there was home invasion and the intruder has fled on foot and is somewhere in the neighborhood.

00:05:38And your children are home.

00:05:39My children are home.

00:05:40The panic that you must have felt, just the fear.

00:05:44The fear.

00:05:45One of the troopers said they needed to clear Darlene's house to make sure the intruder wasn't inside.

00:05:50And he said, I want you to get in the bathroom with your children.

00:05:53I took them off the couch.

00:05:54They were with their iPads.

00:05:55And I, um, I put them back behind the toilet and I just put, shut the door.

00:06:01I put my back against the door and the trooper said, I'm going to clear the house and I don't want you to come out until you hear me knock twice.

00:06:09And you hear me knock twice, then you'll know the house is clear.

00:06:12When they finally got the all clear, Darlene and her children came out of the bathroom, but they were ordered to stay inside the house.

00:06:21He came out and he stood here and he said, I'm going to go out that door.

00:06:24I want you to lock the door behind me.

00:06:26Do not open the door under any other circumstance.

00:06:29So that's what we did.

00:06:31Meanwhile, across the street, Peggy was still trying to reach Connie.

00:06:35I was feeling anxious.

00:06:37I didn't know what was going on.

00:06:39I called there.

00:06:40I'm like, what is going on?

00:06:41Please call me back.

00:06:42Let me know that you guys are okay.

00:06:44No one answered.

00:06:44It went straight to voicemail.

00:06:48She was standing by her window when she heard the crackle of a police scanner.

00:06:53I heard DOA going to Hartford Hospital.

00:06:57I called her and I was like, I couldn't breathe.

00:06:59I was screaming.

00:07:00I was like, someone's dead.

00:07:02Like, what's going on?

00:07:03I don't understand.

00:07:05And so.

00:07:05Everyone knows what DOA means.

00:07:07Exactly.

00:07:07An apparent home invasion.

00:07:11An intruder on the loose.

00:07:13Someone dead.

00:07:15What had happened at Rick and Connie's house?

00:07:17And why on earth wasn't Connie picking up her phone?

00:07:20Coming up.

00:07:25For investigators, the chaos outside the house was about to give way to a series of chilling

00:07:30discoveries inside.

00:07:32He was in the kitchen, bound to a folding chair.

00:07:35She was located in the far corner of the basement.

00:07:39When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

00:07:42Birchview Drive, normally peaceful, was in upheaval.

00:07:56An apparent home invasion at Connie and Rick DeBate's house.

00:07:59Police cars all over the place.

00:08:02Detectives Lamoureux and Luther had to make sense of it all.

00:08:07What do you see?

00:08:08Well, a large house.

00:08:10We were able to just do a walk, general walk through the house before we begin processing

00:08:14to get a feel for what's going on.

00:08:17It was two days before Christmas.

00:08:18You have this Christmas tree and presents and decorations, you know, and we later learned

00:08:22about the two boys that they had.

00:08:24Thankfully, the boys, just six and nine years old, were at school.

00:08:28But Rick and Connie had been home.

00:08:31First responders found Rick in the kitchen.

00:08:33He was partially bound to a folding chair.

00:08:39There was what looked like blood on the floor, smeared on the floor.

00:08:43He was reportedly just moaning when they got there.

00:08:47He was injured, but alive.

00:08:50The responders rushed him to the hospital.

00:08:53But Connie...

00:08:55She was located in the far corner of the basement, in the unfinished portion.

00:08:59She was dressed in what looked like workout gear, like sweatpants and a sweat top, wearing

00:09:05sneakers.

00:09:07She was obviously deceased.

00:09:09There was obvious signs of gunshot wound to her.

00:09:12Connie DeBate had been shot to death.

00:09:15She was the DOA Peggy had heard mentioned on that police scanner.

00:09:19Darlene got the news from Rick's dad.

00:09:21He said there was a home invasion and Connie didn't make it.

00:09:26It was like a sick feeling, like, Connie didn't make it.

00:09:31What are you saying?

00:09:34Connie's brother, Keith Margotta, and his wife, Donna, found out from Keith's father.

00:09:38He called and said that there's been a tragedy or a home invasion at my sister's house in Ellington

00:09:47and that Connie was gone, is what he said.

00:09:50I felt like I was just going to collapse.

00:09:52Yeah, we're just trying to process what we've been told.

00:09:55We can't, we can't fathom it because we've just seen her, you know, it's not real.

00:10:01It can't be real.

00:10:04Soon, word of Connie's murder spread.

00:10:07One of her oldest friends, Kim Phillips, got the news by text.

00:10:11She says she crumbled.

00:10:12My kids were five and six, so I just remember, like, I didn't want them to see me getting so upset.

00:10:19So I made up the stairs and just screamed into the pillow.

00:10:22And I hate that I'm saying this, but I was like, why is it her and why couldn't it be somebody else?

00:10:29That was your, you know, natural reaction in the moment.

00:10:32It really was the worst, worst news I could ever hear and the worst person that I could ever be.

00:10:39Connie, who would have murdered her?

00:10:41She was the sweetest person, the baby in the family with two older sisters and a brother.

00:10:46I teased her a lot as a big brother, as big brothers might.

00:10:51You know, as adults, she had reminded me of that.

00:10:54How would you tease her?

00:10:55What kind of, how would you torment your little sister?

00:10:57She says I put her out the window one time, but it was just, it was maybe her feet.

00:11:04Don't you love how little siblings can exaggerate like that?

00:11:07They do exaggerate, yeah.

00:11:08When they want to get you in trouble?

00:11:09Yeah, yeah, she thought my father, you know, I'd get in trouble with my father when I was 40 or something.

00:11:16And Donna, you came into Connie's life when she was quite young.

00:11:20Yes, she was six years old.

00:11:22I met Connie, I was dating her brother.

00:11:26Connie took dance from the same dance teacher I did.

00:11:29She was like a little sister.

00:11:31Family for Connie also included her friends, like Kim.

00:11:36I met Connie my sophomore year of high school.

00:11:38She had just moved to Ellington, and we just got along from the start.

00:11:43This is everything I keep hearing about Connie.

00:11:46It's just her way of putting people at ease, getting to know people very quickly, having those instant connections.

00:11:52Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:53She was someone that the first time you would meet her, you would automatically just be attracted to her personality.

00:12:00You would want to spend more time with her.

00:12:03It's that quality, Kim says, that made everyone who knew Connie think of her as a best friend.

00:12:08You know, usually it's like maybe a small group of best friends.

00:12:10This was like everybody was, Connie was my best friend.

00:12:13And it makes me feel so good to know that so many people thought of Connie as their best friend.

00:12:19And I just think it's, again, she was able to reach into people.

00:12:23She put everyone else before herself.

00:12:26And that made it easy to root for Connie when she gushed over a new man in her life.

00:12:32She met Rick at a party while home from college one summer.

00:12:35She's like, I met this great guy and he's Italian and, you know, she loved Italian men.

00:12:41And so I was like, OK, you know, if Connie loves him, I'll love him.

00:12:47What did you think about initial impressions of Rick and Connie and Rick together?

00:12:52I really liked Rick.

00:12:53I thought he was a good fit for Connie.

00:12:56I mean, he was fun.

00:12:57She was fun.

00:12:58Richard and Julie debate say their son had always been that way.

00:13:01He was easygoing.

00:13:03He was always like a joker.

00:13:07And when he brought Connie home, I said to my husband, this is different.

00:13:12I think she's the one.

00:13:14What was different about it?

00:13:15He was glowing.

00:13:18And Connie fit right in.

00:13:21Connie was the one.

00:13:22The two married, had the boys, and their house on Birchview Drive became the happy center of their social lives.

00:13:30It was funny because we actually called Connie's house the Debate Estates because we used to always go there.

00:13:37Sounds like a winery.

00:13:38But it was true because that's where people would just congregate at that house.

00:13:43But now the debate house was a crime scene.

00:13:47Connie was dead and the people congregating there were state police investigators.

00:13:51We are a team of five detectives that will investigate the most serious crimes that occur.

00:13:58Detective Sergeant Brett Longevin, Lieutenant Bill Udermark, and Jeff Payette were detectives at the time and also assigned to the case.

00:14:07Job one for Payette and Longevin, get over to the hospital where doctors were treating Rick.

00:14:12What do you want to find out from the husband since he was in the house when the police arrived?

00:14:17Everything he knows.

00:14:19He's the best witness.

00:14:21He's a victim.

00:14:23He could potentially tell us who did it.

00:14:25Or at least provide a description of the intruder.

00:14:28The sooner we get that information and get it out to everybody, the better off everyone is.

00:14:33The question was, how soon could they get it?

00:14:36Rick was lying in a hospital bed.

00:14:39What, if anything, would he be able to tell police?

00:14:42Coming up, Rick recounts walking into a closet and discovering a masked man.

00:14:52He was big.

00:14:53And there was one other thing the man's mask couldn't cover.

00:14:57I just heard this deep, in diesel-like voice.

00:15:03When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

00:15:06Hours after the attack at Connie and Rick DeBate's house, detectives were inside an ER.

00:15:21Rick had suffered wounds to his legs, shoulder, and the back of his head.

00:15:25But he was conscious.

00:15:27He seemed well-spoken, coherent.

00:15:29We could see a little bit of blood on the side of his cheek, some blood on his hands.

00:15:33Detectives Jeff Payette and Brett Longevin needed Rick to tell them what happened.

00:15:39I saw Connie in the ground, and I can't get that image out of my mind.

00:15:43With the recorder rolling, the detectives listened as Rick went back over that morning.

00:15:48Getting the kids off to school.

00:15:51Watching Connie get ready for the gym.

00:15:53Driving off to work.

00:15:55He said he wasn't 10 minutes down the road when he stopped.

00:15:59I hadn't realized I needed to go back for my laptop.

00:16:02At the same time, he said the alert notifications on his phone went off.

00:16:07Trouble with his home security system.

00:16:10Shout out to my boss, saying that I'll be late.

00:16:14Told her I needed to check out some things on my security system.

00:16:19He drove back home, headed inside, and heard a noise upstairs.

00:16:23The cats make a loud, obnoxious mess.

00:16:26I figured it was just the cats.

00:16:29He thought that it was the cats, because it wasn't uncommon for them to knock things over and make noise.

00:16:36So we went to check it out.

00:16:38He says the cats weren't there, but someone was.

00:16:42When you first walk into our bedroom, there's a walk-in closet right in front of me.

00:16:48I saw that light was on 2, and I opened up, and there's this camouflaged dude.

00:16:58In your closet?

00:16:59Yes.

00:16:59Just looking around, trying to find something.

00:17:03I don't know.

00:17:04Something of value.

00:17:06Did you watch him for a little while?

00:17:07No.

00:17:08No, I opened the door pretty quick.

00:17:09This is where it all just gets so...

00:17:15I never had anything like this happening.

00:17:17I think I just...

00:17:17Take your time.

00:17:20Rick said the man was a huge, hulking guy.

00:17:23He was big.

00:17:24But that was all he could share as far as physical appearance, because he said the intruder wore a mask.

00:17:30He did not describe skin color or any other descriptors.

00:17:34But if Rick couldn't describe the man's face, his voice, that he could describe.

00:17:41I just heard this deep Vin Diesel-like voice.

00:17:47Yes, that Vin Diesel.

00:17:49The huge Hollywood action star from the Fast and Furious movies.

00:17:53I haven't seen all of them, but if you're like me, you'd know that deep, gravelly voice anywhere.

00:17:58The word on the street is, you got locked up.

00:18:01I haven't come across many cases where a victim had such a detailed description of what their assailant sounded like.

00:18:09It seemed like a great lead for detectives.

00:18:11It's an interesting way to describe a voice.

00:18:14Very specific.

00:18:15So you're looking for a large man, deep voice, in camouflage.

00:18:20Obese, to stocky, over six foot tall, covered in green camouflage with a deep voice.

00:18:26That's scary.

00:18:27Yes.

00:18:29He told detectives the Vin Diesel intruder was holding a knife, demanding Rick's wallet and pins.

00:18:36He said you're going to give me what I want.

00:18:38I'm going to sit here quietly and wait for your family to get home.

00:18:41That's when he heard it.

00:18:42The garage door opening below.

00:18:45Connie walking into the house.

00:18:47So I yelled to her to get out of the house.

00:18:50My wife didn't run.

00:18:52She must have ran into the basement because we have, we have two guns in the house.

00:18:58One was in the basement and a lockbox and one's in our closet.

00:19:02She ran downstairs.

00:19:03Rather than saving herself, Connie was apparently trying to save her husband.

00:19:09Rick said the intruder knocked him to the ground and chased after Connie.

00:19:12He said he staggered behind, catching up with them in the basement.

00:19:15Around the corner, I just, I just hear like the loudest bang.

00:19:25And I saw my wife go, I think I saw her laying in the ground.

00:19:29I don't know.

00:19:31I didn't hear her at all after that.

00:19:33Suddenly, he said, the man was back on him.

00:19:39My ears were ringing.

00:19:41And then he puts me in this neck, arm thing.

00:19:49I couldn't get out of it.

00:19:50And he just guided me over to the other side.

00:19:54Threw me in a chair.

00:19:56Started using my own tools.

00:19:58What type of chair was it?

00:19:59Remember?

00:20:00A folding chair.

00:20:03Then, Rick described how the intruder tied him to the chair with zip ties,

00:20:07stabbed him with a box cutter,

00:20:09and burned him with a handheld blowtorch.

00:20:12All from a bag of tools Rick kept in the basement.

00:20:16I'm sitting in the chair, half, I was kind of half tied up,

00:20:20in shock, I guess.

00:20:23What do you mean half tied up?

00:20:25I had one leg free and an arm free.

00:20:28He tied one leg, tied one arm, and he tied my neck.

00:20:33Fairly tight with a tire out.

00:20:36Rick said he used his free arm to fight back.

00:20:39I got a torch to kind of just blow in his mask a little bit,

00:20:42and I caught him fire.

00:20:44He dropped the blowtorch.

00:20:46Dropped the blowtorch and ran.

00:20:48I was starting to scream for help.

00:20:50I screamed for help.

00:20:52I couldn't hear a soul.

00:20:54I got really, really dizzy.

00:20:55Rick said he then crawled upstairs, still partially zip-tied to the chair,

00:21:01triggered the home alarm, and called 911.

00:21:05You have a lot of things you have to check out.

00:21:07We do.

00:21:08And corroborate from his story.

00:21:09We have to process the scene.

00:21:11We have to talk to people, interview people,

00:21:13look up electronic data, explore every option.

00:21:16As Rick was speaking to the detectives,

00:21:19his parents were trying to find him.

00:21:22All they knew was that he'd been taken to the hospital.

00:21:24When I finally got to the hospital,

00:21:26to the emergency room,

00:21:29they asked to see him,

00:21:30and they still wouldn't let us see him yet.

00:21:33We waited in the emergency room for a couple more hours

00:21:35before they were leading him out of the room.

00:21:38He was asking me, where are the boys?

00:21:39I says, Mom has the boys.

00:21:41They're at the house.

00:21:42To his parents' relief, Rick's injuries were not severe,

00:21:46and he was discharged from the hospital the same day.

00:21:49His first stop was his Aunt Janice's house to clean up.

00:21:52He didn't want his sons to see him bloody and bruised.

00:21:56His cousin Lori was also there.

00:21:58He was devastated.

00:22:00He was in tears.

00:22:02He was just a mess.

00:22:03He was stunned by everything, too.

00:22:06If he said it once, he must have said it 50 times.

00:22:08How are my boys?

00:22:10How are my boys?

00:22:12Later that night, Rick went to his parents' place.

00:22:16He sat his two boys down

00:22:17and told them what happened to their mom.

00:22:20It wasn't easy.

00:22:22And they were very young to understand something like that.

00:22:26And Rick told them that someone came into the house

00:22:29and hurt Mommy, and I couldn't help her.

00:22:33And she's gone.

00:22:35And one of them, I think, said, Mommy's dead.

00:22:39And Rick said yes.

00:22:40It must have broken your heart to see those little boys' faces.

00:22:46Tragic and heartbreaking.

00:22:49Meanwhile, back at the debate house,

00:22:51the crime scene tape was up and the floodlights were on.

00:22:54It was going to be a long night scouring for evidence and clues

00:22:58and talking to neighbors.

00:23:00Neighbors who had stories to tell.

00:23:03Stories that could possibly lead detectives

00:23:05to that deep-voiced intruder.

00:23:09Coming up, one story was about the debates and someone they hired.

00:23:14This contractor was so out of control that maybe they should get a gun.

00:23:18When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

00:23:32In the search for Connie DeBate's killer,

00:23:35police had fanned out and canvassed the neighborhood

00:23:37looking for anyone who had seen something.

00:23:39Were you surprised that no one saw anything?

00:23:43I don't know if we were surprised.

00:23:45I mean, that time of morning of the scene,

00:23:47you know, a lot of people work in that neighborhood.

00:23:49So it could have been a very good chance that just nobody was around at that time.

00:23:54While the canvassing troopers had struck out,

00:23:57the major crime squad was gathering evidence at the house,

00:24:01dusting for fingerprints,

00:24:02swabbing for DNA

00:24:04and photographing the entire scene,

00:24:07including where the intruder may have sneaked inside.

00:24:10You just noticed that it was, the window was open.

00:24:12Yes, yes.

00:24:13Into the basement.

00:24:15The basement door was also open.

00:24:18This is where Rick says the assailant came out of the house right here?

00:24:21Yes, yes.

00:24:22And they were actually open.

00:24:24One door was open at the time when we processed the scene.

00:24:27And just outside that door,

00:24:29police found this.

00:24:30This is the wallet found in the backyard.

00:24:33Rick had talked about the assailant taking his wallet.

00:24:35Yes, yes.

00:24:37And in the basement?

00:24:38This is the area that Rick had told detectives

00:24:42where he was seated in the chair being abused.

00:24:45This is like a bad game of Clue,

00:24:47all these potential weapons.

00:24:49Yes.

00:24:50Many of them had what appeared to be blood on them.

00:24:53Did you know where these droplets came from,

00:24:55who they came from at the time?

00:24:57Not at that point.

00:24:58We didn't know.

00:24:58It could have been an assailant,

00:24:59and it could have been from Rick.

00:25:00We didn't know at that point, no.

00:25:03A revolver, the presumed murder weapon,

00:25:05was found near Connie's body.

00:25:07She had been shot twice,

00:25:09once in the stomach and once in the back of the head.

00:25:12Any other clues around her,

00:25:14around the body in the basement that you could see?

00:25:16She did have her cell phone on her,

00:25:19tucked into her right waistband,

00:25:21and she also had a Fitbit tracker clipped to her left waistband.

00:25:25A cell phone and a Fitbit tracker.

00:25:29Detectives bagged them along with other electronic devices in the house.

00:25:33And though the troopers hadn't found any witnesses,

00:25:36they did uncover a substantial clue while talking to the neighbors.

00:25:39The debates, it turned out, may have had an enemy.

00:25:45They were having an argument with a contractor over work that had not been done right,

00:25:51according to Rick.

00:25:52And they were worried that the contractor would break into the house.

00:25:58His name was Ken Sweeney.

00:26:01Kim had gotten a text message from Connie venting about him.

00:26:04Just that he wasn't finishing the work.

00:26:09And I think they were looking to sue him.

00:26:13And there was a lot of discussions with him and arguments with him.

00:26:19And I just specifically remember it seeming like it wasn't a good situation.

00:26:26A bad situation that seemed to get worse in the weeks before the murder.

00:26:31They had found some towels that were in one of the vehicle's mufflers.

00:26:36And they found that suspicious and thought that that could be associated with this contractor.

00:26:42A week later, in the driveway, their car's windshield was smashed.

00:26:46That was when Connie confided in her friends that she and Rick were so scared

00:26:50they were considering buying a gun.

00:26:53Connie was deathly afraid of guns.

00:26:55But this contractor was so out of control that maybe they should get a gun.

00:27:00Did they think that the contractor was the one who vandalized the car?

00:27:02Yep. That's what they told everyone.

00:27:04Did you think that the contractor had killed Connie?

00:27:07When they questioned us, they asked,

00:27:08is there anybody that you could think of that had a grudge

00:27:11or didn't like Connie and Rick?

00:27:14Is there anybody?

00:27:16And then it hits you.

00:27:19You're like, yeah, there is somebody.

00:27:21The contractor.

00:27:22I mean, most people on Birchview said the contractor.

00:27:29I actually had the text.

00:27:32And I remember when the detectives came to interview them,

00:27:34I'm like, I'm going to show them this text because I think this is going to help.

00:27:37I think they need to look into this person.

00:27:39You're thinking the contractor could be a suspect.

00:27:42Yeah, I just remember them having a lot of tensions with him.

00:27:45And I thought, like, maybe this is, maybe this is who did this.

00:27:49The thought also occurred to Rick.

00:27:51He mentioned it when talking to the detectives.

00:27:54Do you know of anybody who would want to do this?

00:27:57When our cars were vandalized,

00:27:59my wife seemed to think it was a contractor that we took the small claims for

00:28:02because he took some of our money.

00:28:05We have zero way to group them.

00:28:06The state police had a lead to pursue.

00:28:11Maybe this wasn't a home invasion gone wrong.

00:28:14Maybe the debates had been targeted.

00:28:17Detectives were sent out right away to find him and talk to him.

00:28:24Coming up.

00:28:25At Connie's wake,

00:28:27a curious encounter triggers questions about someone in the family.

00:28:30That was the most bizarre thing we've ever been involved in.

00:28:36When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

00:28:49Investigators had a tip to run down in the brutal murder of 39-year-old Connie DeBate.

00:28:54A theory about the killer that was almost universally held among family and friends.

00:29:00It was the contractor.

00:29:01That's exactly who I thought was at the house at the time in the morning of the murder.

00:29:08Had Rick and Connie talked to you about the contractor?

00:29:11They sued him.

00:29:12I mean, they had to sue him because they didn't finish the job,

00:29:15so they knew he wasn't happy.

00:29:16He was very ugly to them,

00:29:18and there was always things happening there that I thought,

00:29:23oh my God, this must have been the contractor.

00:29:26State police sought out this contractor, Ken Sweeney,

00:29:30speaking with him at his house.

00:29:32He admitted to having issues with the debates.

00:29:34The contractor said that they had agreed,

00:29:37or he had agreed to do work in the bathroom of the residence,

00:29:40and that as the job went on,

00:29:42some of the specifics as to what they wanted done

00:29:44may not have been aligned with the price.

00:29:47And he backed out, and then there was a civil suit.

00:29:50The case was settled for a few thousand dollars in small claims court

00:29:54before Connie was killed.

00:29:56Did this contractor have a record?

00:29:57Any violence in his past?

00:29:59Nothing.

00:29:59Nothing would go to this level.

00:30:02Yeah.

00:30:03Nothing as violent as this.

00:30:05Ken Sweeney denied breaking into the debate home and killing Connie,

00:30:09and said he had an alibi.

00:30:11He was working at another job site that morning.

00:30:13As detectives interviewed him,

00:30:15they noticed something straight away.

00:30:17He wasn't an overly large man, as Rick described.

00:30:20And there was another thing that didn't match.

00:30:23His voice.

00:30:24Did he sound like Vin Diesel?

00:30:26No.

00:30:27So he didn't fit Rick's description at all.

00:30:30Police asked if they could photograph his face,

00:30:32hands, and body for signs he had been in an altercation.

00:30:36They didn't see anything.

00:30:38But it was possible the contractor had someone else

00:30:40break into the debate home.

00:30:42Detectives would have to check out that angle,

00:30:44and confirm his alibi.

00:30:46As investigators worked on that,

00:30:49Connie's family was mourning her death,

00:30:51and thinking of all she had left behind.

00:30:53Your heart must have just ached for your nephews.

00:30:58Yeah.

00:30:58To lose their mom that way at that age,

00:31:01when they need her the most.

00:31:02Yeah.

00:31:05It's devastating.

00:31:07Did you think about all those things that

00:31:08she won't be there, you know, for them?

00:31:11Yeah, definitely.

00:31:13I only thought that, you know,

00:31:14there's no more holidays,

00:31:15no more birthdays.

00:31:17We think about it every day.

00:31:19We live it every day.

00:31:20They weren't alone in their grief.

00:31:23On a blustery late December day

00:31:25of what is normally a festive week

00:31:26between Christmas and New Year's,

00:31:28hundreds braved the cold in Ellington

00:31:30to say goodbye to Connie.

00:31:32So, obviously, whenever a young person dies,

00:31:34there's a lot of people

00:31:35that come to the wake,

00:31:37but multiply that by 100

00:31:39just because of who Connie was

00:31:40and how many people, you know,

00:31:43viewed her as like a best friend.

00:31:44The line was just out the door.

00:31:47It was horrible weather.

00:31:49Lines and lines of people.

00:31:51I mean, just hundreds of people.

00:31:54Shows how much Connie was loved.

00:31:55Right.

00:31:56She was very much loved.

00:31:58And now, very much missed.

00:32:01Connie's fellow musketeers,

00:32:03Peggy and Darlene,

00:32:04were eager to offer their condolences

00:32:05to their good friend's husband, Rick.

00:32:08But as the women approached,

00:32:10he seemed confused.

00:32:12That was the most bizarre thing

00:32:14we've ever been involved in.

00:32:16Peggy and I went together.

00:32:18We waited in like a three-hour line.

00:32:21Um, he greeted us by asking us

00:32:24who we were and how we knew Connie.

00:32:26What?

00:32:27Mm-hmm.

00:32:28How did you know my wife?

00:32:30Did you think that maybe

00:32:32he was just so out of it

00:32:33from everything that had happened?

00:32:35I don't...

00:32:35I think at that moment,

00:32:37we were like, he's in shock.

00:32:39But at that time,

00:32:40we also looked at each other

00:32:41and we're like,

00:32:43he doesn't have a scratch on him.

00:32:45Yeah.

00:32:46He didn't have one bruise on the face,

00:32:49not one anything.

00:32:50I've reported on dozens of stories

00:32:52for Dateline.

00:32:53And it's always those little signs,

00:32:55those confusing gut feelings

00:32:57that family members and friends notice

00:33:00after a loved one dies

00:33:01under suspicious circumstances.

00:33:03When the killer is still at large,

00:33:05they'll tell you,

00:33:06anyone can become a possible suspect.

00:33:09In Connie's case,

00:33:11her friends couldn't shake questions

00:33:12about Rick's behavior,

00:33:14questions that only grew sharper

00:33:16in the days that followed.

00:33:17The day after the wake,

00:33:19Connie's family and closest friends

00:33:21gathered again for her funeral.

00:33:23A continuation of mourning for most.

00:33:26But according to Connie's friend Kim,

00:33:28it was also a continuation

00:33:29of strange behavior by Rick.

00:33:32When we went to the cemetery,

00:33:34me and my friends

00:33:35were the last people at her grave.

00:33:37And he left and I'm thinking,

00:33:39that's odd.

00:33:40Like, why isn't he still here?

00:33:42Why doesn't he feel the same way

00:33:43that I feel right now,

00:33:45that I just can't leave this grave?

00:33:47And I thought that was weird.

00:33:49Connie's sister-in-law Donna

00:33:50noticed Rick also cut short his stay

00:33:52at the reception after the burial.

00:33:54In the middle of the luncheon,

00:33:56he just disappeared with his male family members.

00:34:00He didn't stay to the end.

00:34:02He was maybe there for an hour or so,

00:34:03and then just everybody got up and left.

00:34:06So that was very odd to me.

00:34:09Like, where did they go?

00:34:10Where are they heading off to?

00:34:11That was very, very...

00:34:13That was a moment for me

00:34:14where I sat there and said,

00:34:15this is strange.

00:34:17There is no script for grief,

00:34:19no one-way roadmap for mourning the dead,

00:34:21especially when it's your wife,

00:34:23the mother of your children.

00:34:25Then again,

00:34:26does anyone ever really know

00:34:27what's going on inside someone else's marriage?

00:34:32Coming up,

00:34:33the debates in the days before tragedy struck.

00:34:37Why friends say their relationship

00:34:39was one they envied?

00:34:41He doted over her.

00:34:42He would tell us,

00:34:43hey, you know,

00:34:43she's having a bad day,

00:34:44like, go out for drinks.

00:34:46He's putting all the husbands to shame

00:34:48in the neighborhood.

00:34:48Yeah, he really did.

00:34:49He did.

00:34:50When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

00:35:02It was the holiday season,

00:35:06a time for joy,

00:35:08celebration,

00:35:09family gatherings.

00:35:11Connie's family wanted to hang on

00:35:13to some semblance of that

00:35:14for her boys.

00:35:15So they did their best,

00:35:17wrapped their gifts,

00:35:19wiped their tears,

00:35:20put on their coats.

00:35:22Connie hadn't even been dead two days.

00:35:25We still wanted to bring presents

00:35:26to the children.

00:35:27And he was staying at his parents' house.

00:35:29So our family went to visit

00:35:32with his family at his parents' house.

00:35:34And what was that like?

00:35:36It was very hard.

00:35:37We were all together.

00:35:39Everybody was very emotional.

00:35:41Everybody, Donna noticed.

00:35:43But Rick.

00:35:44And it was a very strange evening.

00:35:47His demeanor of not being able

00:35:50to look me in the eye

00:35:51was very telling to me that night.

00:35:55Talking, telling jokes,

00:35:56telling stories.

00:35:59We were all very devastated.

00:36:02And, you know, right or wrong,

00:36:03I didn't sense a lot of sadness

00:36:05or emotion from him.

00:36:07I would say that the pain and grief

00:36:09that was on our family's faces

00:36:11along with his family

00:36:13was different than his demeanor.

00:36:16His demeanor was like, you know,

00:36:18it's like, let's say, just a party.

00:36:21Peggy and Darlene felt it too,

00:36:23that something was just off with Rick

00:36:26in the days after Connie's death.

00:36:28He would text us and say like,

00:36:30hey, good neighbors,

00:36:32where do you guys get takeout?

00:36:34Like, where do we get takeout?

00:36:37You've lived here all these years

00:36:38and who's worried about takeout?

00:36:41We're in the middle of this,

00:36:42like, this horrible time.

00:36:45And why was Rick so willing

00:36:47to engage over text,

00:36:48but not in person?

00:36:50Peggy remembers him playing

00:36:51the artful Dodger

00:36:52at a hardware store.

00:36:53I was at the register

00:36:54and I had to just sign the form

00:36:56to get a refund.

00:36:59And then I saw him, I waved,

00:37:01I, you know, looked down,

00:37:03I signed, I looked back up

00:37:04and he was gone.

00:37:05I immediately called her

00:37:07and I was like,

00:37:07I'm looking for him, where is he?

00:37:09He's trying to avoid me

00:37:10and I don't understand why.

00:37:12Then again,

00:37:13Connie's friends didn't want to judge.

00:37:16Others, not so charitable.

00:37:18Quickly, the town gossip picked up

00:37:20and most folks were saying

00:37:23Rick did this.

00:37:24Why?

00:37:24What was leading them?

00:37:26His behavior got so strange.

00:37:28Like, he, you know,

00:37:29he's out at bars hanging out

00:37:31during the holiday.

00:37:34Having dinner, drinking

00:37:35and looking.

00:37:37Having people over his house.

00:37:39Jolly.

00:37:40Having a party at his house.

00:37:41Too happy for someone who's.

00:37:42Too happy for somebody who lost.

00:37:44Had died in a brutal way.

00:37:46Yeah, right before Christmas.

00:37:47It was just odd behavior

00:37:49that just started to put question marks.

00:37:52This story had me thinking back

00:37:53to a case I covered

00:37:54as a local reporter many years ago.

00:37:57A husband and wife

00:37:58said they were victims

00:37:59of a home invasion.

00:38:01They recounted their harrowing experience

00:38:03to the detectives.

00:38:05But after I got the chance

00:38:06to interview the husband

00:38:07for my news report,

00:38:08I left with a strange feeling

00:38:10that he wasn't telling me

00:38:11the whole story.

00:38:13Police later accused him

00:38:14of orchestrating the whole thing

00:38:16for insurance money.

00:38:17Was Rick telling the truth?

00:38:19Peggy and Darlene resisted

00:38:21thinking the worst.

00:38:22They didn't want to go there.

00:38:23Did you think that

00:38:25it was possible

00:38:26that Rick killed Connie?

00:38:27No.

00:38:29No.

00:38:30Why not?

00:38:31Because he was just loving.

00:38:33He doted over her.

00:38:35He was checked in on her.

00:38:36He would tell us,

00:38:37hey, you know,

00:38:37she's having a bad day.

00:38:38Like, take her away.

00:38:40Go out for drinks.

00:38:43Always rubbing her shoulders or...

00:38:45Can I make you a plate?

00:38:46Yeah.

00:38:47Like, if there was a party,

00:38:48can I make you a plate?

00:38:49Go sit down.

00:38:50Then we'd be like,

00:38:52okay, can somebody

00:38:53make us a plate?

00:38:55He's putting all the husbands

00:38:56to shame in the neighborhood.

00:38:57Yeah, he really did.

00:38:58He did.

00:38:59The way Kim Phillips saw it,

00:39:01Rick and Connie

00:39:02were always in lockstep,

00:39:04partners on life's dance floor.

00:39:06We spent a lot of time together

00:39:08as couples with my husband,

00:39:10and the more and more time

00:39:11we spent together,

00:39:11the more and more,

00:39:12you know,

00:39:13he grew on us,

00:39:14and we loved him,

00:39:16and, you know,

00:39:17we just,

00:39:18and we thought

00:39:18he was perfect for her.

00:39:20Which is why

00:39:20the nasty rumors

00:39:21flying through town

00:39:22landed like daggers

00:39:24for Rick's family.

00:39:25Two days before Christmas,

00:39:27you take your wife

00:39:28down into the basement

00:39:29and shoot her.

00:39:30No.

00:39:31No, Rick would not

00:39:33do anything like that

00:39:35to Connie.

00:39:36He would never hurt Connie.

00:39:38No.

00:39:39I don't think anyone

00:39:41who knows Rick well

00:39:43would ever believe

00:39:44that he'd be capable

00:39:46of murder.

00:39:47It's just not his nature.

00:39:49But a town's rumors

00:39:50aren't much use

00:39:51to a major crime squad.

00:39:53Facts, on the other hand,

00:39:55are.

00:39:56Detectives Jeff Payette

00:39:57and Brett Longevin

00:39:58had interviewed Rick

00:39:59in the hospital

00:40:00for nearly seven hours

00:40:01the day of the attack,

00:40:02and to them,

00:40:04Rick's story

00:40:04wasn't adding up.

00:40:05Rick's accounts

00:40:06varied as the progression

00:40:08of the interview went on.

00:40:10Do you think that

00:40:10just with all that

00:40:12had happened that morning,

00:40:13that it was hard

00:40:14for him to get it out,

00:40:15just, you know,

00:40:16because it was

00:40:16such a terrorizing event?

00:40:18The details he was

00:40:19providing us

00:40:20weren't details

00:40:21that should have

00:40:23had different answers.

00:40:24Whether or not

00:40:25he saw his wife

00:40:26get shot,

00:40:26that was changing.

00:40:28At first,

00:40:29he said he only

00:40:29heard Connie get shot.

00:40:31I heard it fire,

00:40:32I think, twice.

00:40:35Once for sure.

00:40:37But a minute later,

00:40:38his story was this.

00:40:39Did you actually see him

00:40:41shoot your wife?

00:40:42Yes.

00:40:44And then,

00:40:44he wasn't sure

00:40:45Connie had been shot at all.

00:40:47You're not actually sure

00:40:49if she got shot?

00:40:49I didn't know at that point.

00:40:51We started having questions

00:40:53as far as trying to get

00:40:56a consistent story from him.

00:40:58There were other times

00:40:59during the interview

00:40:59that the detectives

00:41:00thought Rick was

00:41:01overly descriptive,

00:41:03something they also

00:41:04found suspicious.

00:41:04generally,

00:41:06people will recall

00:41:08events differently,

00:41:10but when they're giving

00:41:11very specific answers,

00:41:13it can lead us

00:41:15to believe that

00:41:15that person may be

00:41:16trying to convince us

00:41:17of something.

00:41:18Is there a moment

00:41:19in the interview

00:41:19where you two

00:41:20look at each other

00:41:21and it's like,

00:41:22what are we

00:41:23dealing with here?

00:41:25Because he's supposed

00:41:26to be the victim.

00:41:27Are you starting to get

00:41:28a pit in your stomach

00:41:29a little bit?

00:41:29Like, mm.

00:41:30One of the biggest things

00:41:31was the timeline

00:41:32he was providing us.

00:41:33He's saying he gets home

00:41:34at 9 o'clock.

00:41:35His wife gets home,

00:41:37say, five minutes

00:41:38after him,

00:41:39and then everything happens.

00:41:41The chase down the stairs,

00:41:43he witnesses his wife murder.

00:41:46But the 911 call

00:41:47is 1019,

00:41:48so we're missing

00:41:48over an hour.

00:41:50That was

00:41:51one of the biggest

00:41:53red flags.

00:41:54Red flags,

00:41:55but not evidence

00:41:56that Rick killed Connie.

00:41:57Did we have suspicions

00:41:58that he could be involved?

00:42:00Sure, of course we did,

00:42:01but we couldn't have said

00:42:02definitively

00:42:03that's our guy

00:42:04at that particular time.

00:42:05Coming up,

00:42:07frustration grows

00:42:09as a community

00:42:09demands answers.

00:42:11Who could be

00:42:12this person responsible

00:42:13who came in

00:42:14and did this?

00:42:15There's a lot of fear,

00:42:16there's a lot of frustration

00:42:17as to why the answers

00:42:19are not coming

00:42:20fast enough.

00:42:22When Dateline

00:42:23Unforgettable

00:42:24continues.

00:42:25Detectives had suspicions

00:42:35about Rick DeBate's

00:42:36account of his wife

00:42:37Connie's murder,

00:42:38but Rick's family

00:42:39believed the police

00:42:40were dead wrong.

00:42:41His mom said

00:42:42anyone who had endured

00:42:43what her son had

00:42:44could be forgiven

00:42:45for a hazy memory

00:42:46or a changing story.

00:42:47Well, he had six hours

00:42:50at that hospital

00:42:51to be interrogated

00:42:55and to think about

00:42:56what happened

00:42:57to Connie

00:42:57and he's like,

00:43:00he can't even think.

00:43:01You know,

00:43:01my wife is dead

00:43:02and someone broke

00:43:04into our house

00:43:04and this is a life

00:43:06that totally turned

00:43:08upside down.

00:43:09I think he was in shock.

00:43:10In shock

00:43:11and well aware

00:43:12that the police

00:43:13were suspicious of him.

00:43:14He told his father

00:43:15before they'd even

00:43:16left the hospital

00:43:16that day.

00:43:18He says,

00:43:18Dad,

00:43:18they think I did it.

00:43:20Oh, wow.

00:43:21This is the day

00:43:22it happened.

00:43:22I said,

00:43:22they're thinking

00:43:23you did something

00:43:24so he says,

00:43:26you have to stop

00:43:26talking to them

00:43:27right now.

00:43:28Rick's family

00:43:29believes tunnel vision

00:43:30had already set in.

00:43:32It's like they just

00:43:33only had one person

00:43:34in mind.

00:43:34They never

00:43:35did anything

00:43:37to look for

00:43:38anybody else.

00:43:40Rick hired a

00:43:40prominent defense attorney

00:43:41and they waited,

00:43:43anticipating the worst.

00:43:45But there were no arrests.

00:43:47Spring came.

00:43:48Then summer.

00:43:49The leaves began to fall.

00:43:51The holidays approached

00:43:52once again.

00:43:53So as the weeks

00:43:54and months go on

00:43:56after Connie's murder,

00:43:57there is a lot of

00:43:58speculation going around

00:44:00because police

00:44:01have not named

00:44:02a person of interest,

00:44:03a potential suspect.

00:44:04Debate may say

00:44:05that it was a

00:44:05masked intruder.

00:44:07Shannon Miller

00:44:07reported on the story

00:44:08for NBC in Connecticut.

00:44:10So there's this

00:44:11big mystery in town

00:44:12of who could be

00:44:13this person responsible

00:44:14who came in

00:44:15and did this.

00:44:16There's a lot of fear.

00:44:17There's a lot of frustration

00:44:18as to why the answers

00:44:20are not coming

00:44:21fast enough.

00:44:22Rick's family

00:44:23wanted an arrest too,

00:44:25partly to put an end

00:44:26to all the rumors.

00:44:27We were hopeful

00:44:28that there would be

00:44:30some other evidence

00:44:31to someone,

00:44:33to point to someone else

00:44:35because we knew

00:44:37it couldn't possibly

00:44:39be Rick.

00:44:40so there has to be

00:44:40something else

00:44:41out there proving

00:44:43that it's not him.

00:44:45By the first

00:44:46anniversary of Connie's

00:44:47murder, her killer

00:44:48was still out there.

00:44:50All her family

00:44:51and friends could do

00:44:51was gather to honor

00:44:52that bright light

00:44:53that had been extinguished

00:44:54from their lives.

00:44:56Thank you so much

00:44:57for coming out tonight.

00:44:59It's amazing to see

00:45:00all the support

00:45:01from Connie's friends

00:45:02and family

00:45:03in the Ellington community.

00:45:04We wanted to do

00:45:05something special for her,

00:45:07primarily because we knew

00:45:08that she would do that

00:45:09for us.

00:45:10Friends spoke about Connie

00:45:12and sang one of her

00:45:13favorite songs,

00:45:14Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

00:45:17Somewhere over the rainbow.

00:45:23Last time I saw her,

00:45:24she was singing

00:45:25Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

00:45:27Just days before

00:45:28Connie's murder,

00:45:29Darlene ran into her

00:45:30at their children's school.

00:45:32Connie wanted to go

00:45:33get a coffee and chat.

00:45:34Darlene was in a rush.

00:45:36And she was like,

00:45:37I wish you would just go

00:45:38and get a cup of jazz.

00:45:40And then as she went by me,

00:45:41she started to sing

00:45:42Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

00:45:44She turned around

00:45:45and she was just like,

00:45:46she kind of gave me

00:45:47this smile.

00:45:47She used to always go like,

00:45:49and I was like.

00:45:51When someone close to us dies,

00:45:53our minds rewind back

00:45:54to the last time

00:45:55we saw them,

00:45:56the final frame

00:45:57we can't help but replay.

00:45:59For some,

00:46:00it's what if,

00:46:02haunted by the thought

00:46:03that one different choice

00:46:04might have changed everything.

00:46:06For others,

00:46:08it's a keepsake.

00:46:09That's how it was

00:46:10for Darlene

00:46:11and her tight circle

00:46:12of friends.

00:46:13Live every moment,

00:46:14laugh every day,

00:46:15love beyond words.

00:46:17This is how Connie Margatta

00:46:18debate lived

00:46:19in her life every day.

00:46:20How hard was it

00:46:21having that vigil

00:46:23when you're trying

00:46:24to celebrate Connie

00:46:26and you know

00:46:28that her killer

00:46:28is still out there?

00:46:30Yeah, yeah.

00:46:31Well, I knew it was him.

00:46:33By that time,

00:46:33he just needed

00:46:34to get arrested.

00:46:36Him was Connie's husband,

00:46:38Rick.

00:46:39Kim and many others

00:46:40close to Connie,

00:46:41with all they'd seen

00:46:42and heard in the years

00:46:43since her murder,

00:46:44now believed Rick

00:46:45was her killer.

00:46:46Even Peggy and Darlene,

00:46:48who had spent so much time

00:46:49with the debates

00:46:50and observed the marriage

00:46:51that was the envy

00:46:52of Birchview Drive,

00:46:53could no longer ignore

00:46:54what had become

00:46:55so clear to others.

00:46:56We were the last two,

00:46:58I always say this to her,

00:46:59we were the last two

00:47:00ding-dongs on that train

00:47:01because everybody else

00:47:03like jumped off

00:47:04a long time ago

00:47:04and we hung on

00:47:05and with the behavior

00:47:07and just the conversations,

00:47:10the weird text messaging,

00:47:12we're kind of like,

00:47:12yeah, this doesn't like add up.

00:47:14And within that year,

00:47:15like he never approached us

00:47:17to ask us,

00:47:18did you see anything that day?

00:47:20Was there anything odd?

00:47:22But if the authorities

00:47:23were focusing on Rick debate,

00:47:24they were tight-lipped about it.

00:47:26And Matthew Gidansky,

00:47:27then the state's attorney,

00:47:29had no intention

00:47:30of rushing the case.

00:47:31We're not just going

00:47:32to go A to Z.

00:47:33We're going to hit

00:47:33every letter in between

00:47:34and check every box,

00:47:36cross every T,

00:47:37dot every I.

00:47:38And what may have looked

00:47:39like a lack of progress

00:47:40was anything but.

00:47:42The neighbors on Birchview Drive

00:47:44were about to experience

00:47:45a case of deja vu.

00:47:49Coming up.

00:47:51Next thing I knew,

00:47:52there were more huge SUVs

00:47:54and cop cars and sirens.

00:47:56What was going on this time?

00:48:00When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

00:48:10More than a year

00:48:11after Connie debate

00:48:12was shot to death,

00:48:14state police still

00:48:15hadn't made an arrest.

00:48:16But that's not to say

00:48:17they weren't working the case hard.

00:48:19They knew it wasn't

00:48:21the contractor.

00:48:22His alibi checked out.

00:48:24And there was no evidence

00:48:25that he'd been the one

00:48:26to damage the debate's cars.

00:48:28He was cleared

00:48:28of any involvement.

00:48:30Their suspicion

00:48:31was firmly on

00:48:32Connie's husband,

00:48:33Rick DeBate.

00:48:34They were having trouble

00:48:36with his account

00:48:36of what happened.

00:48:38This was being called

00:48:39a home invasion.

00:48:40Yeah.

00:48:41Suspicion arose

00:48:42in those crucial first hours

00:48:44of the investigation.

00:48:45As neighbors

00:48:47hid in their houses

00:48:47or huddled on the street,

00:48:49Trooper First Class

00:48:50Ryan Klukey

00:48:51and his canine Rocky

00:48:52were called to the scene

00:48:53to try to pick up

00:48:54the scent

00:48:55of that elusive intruder.

00:48:57One thing

00:48:57that did not make

00:48:58the final version

00:48:59of this episode

00:49:00was a little experiment

00:49:01we conducted

00:49:02to test out

00:49:03Rocky's tracking skills.

00:49:05I was impressed.

00:49:06I'm going to leave

00:49:07my makeup bag

00:49:08here on this little road

00:49:09and disappear

00:49:10and we'll see

00:49:11if Rocky can find me.

00:49:15Find him.

00:49:21Find him.

00:49:22Sure enough,

00:49:22it only took a few minutes

00:49:24for Rocky

00:49:25to find me in the woods.

00:49:30The police were hoping

00:49:32that Rocky

00:49:32could work his magic

00:49:33to track down

00:49:34the masked man

00:49:35who Rick said

00:49:36had most likely fled

00:49:37from the open basement door.

00:49:39They had left

00:49:40something behind.

00:49:41There was a wallet

00:49:42lying on the grass

00:49:43pretty much right

00:49:44outside of that

00:49:45entry basement door.

00:49:49Trooper Klukey

00:49:50put Rocky to work.

00:49:52I brought him up

00:49:53to that basement door

00:49:54where I started him

00:49:54and he initiates

00:49:56a track

00:49:56with his head down

00:49:58tracking

00:49:58into the rear yard area

00:50:01where he comes up

00:50:03to that wallet

00:50:04that was lying

00:50:05on the ground.

00:50:06He continues

00:50:07that track

00:50:07pretty intensely

00:50:09around the deck area

00:50:11of the residence

00:50:11on the grass

00:50:12until he makes

00:50:13his way

00:50:14to the front

00:50:14of the house.

00:50:16According to Rocky's

00:50:17nose,

00:50:18whoever had left

00:50:19the basement

00:50:19did not run

00:50:20into the woods

00:50:21or flee the property

00:50:22but rather went

00:50:23around the house

00:50:24and right back

00:50:25in the front door.

00:50:26Was that odd

00:50:27to you because

00:50:28you almost think

00:50:28if it was an intruder

00:50:29who ran away

00:50:30and was trying

00:50:31to get away

00:50:31then they would have

00:50:32kept going away

00:50:33from the house

00:50:34instead of back

00:50:35into the house.

00:50:36Yeah,

00:50:36it's noteworthy

00:50:37at the time.

00:50:38What made it

00:50:39even more noteworthy

00:50:40was what Rocky did

00:50:41once he got

00:50:41inside the house.

00:50:43He comes in

00:50:44very close proximity

00:50:45to where

00:50:46Mr. DeBate

00:50:48was in the house

00:50:49receiving medical attention.

00:50:51It appeared

00:50:52that Rocky

00:50:52had tracked

00:50:53Rick's scent

00:50:54which indicated

00:50:55to his handler

00:50:56Trooper Klukey

00:50:57that Rick was

00:50:58the one who left

00:50:58through the basement door.

00:51:00Could that be right?

00:51:03So I want to

00:51:05proof that trail

00:51:05that we just ran.

00:51:06Did we miss something?

00:51:07It was abnormal

00:51:08so let's try it again.

00:51:11Rocky followed

00:51:11the same trail

00:51:12from the basement door

00:51:13to the front

00:51:14of the house.

00:51:15However,

00:51:15this time

00:51:16instead of going

00:51:16onto the porch

00:51:17and into the house

00:51:18Rocky takes a left turn

00:51:20instead of the right

00:51:21and goes into

00:51:22the ambulance essentially

00:51:23right to the stretcher

00:51:24in the ambulance

00:51:25in those tight quarters

00:51:26where Mr. DeBate

00:51:27was laying.

00:51:30And it wasn't

00:51:30just the canine

00:51:31that had sniffed

00:51:32something out that day

00:51:33because when detectives

00:51:34processed the scene

00:51:35they felt the whole

00:51:37thing look staged.

00:51:38What did you think

00:51:40in particular

00:51:40what was really

00:51:41sticking out to you

00:51:42as looking staged?

00:51:43This was a burglary

00:51:44where someone's in there

00:51:46to steal your stuff.

00:51:49It didn't appear

00:51:49like anything

00:51:50was really disturbed.

00:51:51The drawers

00:51:52weren't pulled out.

00:51:53The upstairs closet

00:51:54where the intruder

00:51:56reportedly was

00:51:57with Rick DeBate

00:51:58where you could see

00:51:58all of Connie's

00:51:59jewelry right there

00:52:00not disturbed.

00:52:01None of the drawers

00:52:02were opened.

00:52:02So, their conclusion

00:52:05no masked intruder

00:52:07no Vin Diesel

00:52:08sounding madman

00:52:09could there have

00:52:10really been an intruder?

00:52:12No, definitely not.

00:52:13He wanted to come out

00:52:14looking like

00:52:15he survived

00:52:16a home invasion

00:52:17but his wife

00:52:19unfortunately

00:52:20was murdered.

00:52:21But what it comes down to

00:52:22is it's a domestic homicide.

00:52:25Good Friday

00:52:26April 14th, 2017

00:52:28it had been almost

00:52:29a year and a half

00:52:30since Connie's murder

00:52:31when Darlene looked

00:52:32out her window

00:52:33and saw Rick DeBate

00:52:34driving up toward his house.

00:52:36Next thing I knew

00:52:37same thing as the day

00:52:38of the murder

00:52:38there were

00:52:39huge SUVs

00:52:41and cop cars

00:52:42and sirens

00:52:43and they

00:52:44forced him

00:52:46you know

00:52:46out of the car.

00:52:48Rick DeBate

00:52:49was led away

00:52:49in handcuffs

00:52:50and charged

00:52:50with the murder

00:52:51of his wife Connie.

00:52:53I thought it's over.

00:52:55But for Rick's parents

00:52:56it was far from over

00:52:57because now

00:52:59a new nightmare

00:53:00had just begun.

00:53:02What do you say

00:53:02to your son

00:53:03after he's been

00:53:03arrested for murder?

00:53:06He said

00:53:06we'll get through this.

00:53:07We're going to get through it.

00:53:08We're going to try

00:53:09to stay positive.

00:53:10Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

00:53:12The boys went to live

00:53:13with Connie's older sister

00:53:15after Rick's arrest.

00:53:17How's he handling it?

00:53:19Lousy.

00:53:21He lost his job

00:53:22right away.

00:53:24He lost his boys.

00:53:27Lost his wife.

00:53:28He was alone.

00:53:31He was terrified.

00:53:32He was scared

00:53:33about how the boy

00:53:34is going to handle

00:53:36this news.

00:53:39And, uh,

00:53:41it was not good.

00:53:43Did you believe

00:53:44Rick's story

00:53:45about the intruder,

00:53:47the, you know,

00:53:48being zip-tied

00:53:49to the chair

00:53:50and the intruder

00:53:51shoots Connie?

00:53:52Yes.

00:53:54We had no reason

00:53:54to doubt it.

00:53:56No reason at all.

00:53:58The arrest

00:53:58had come as a shock

00:53:59to Rick's

00:54:00Aunt Janice as well.

00:54:02I honestly thought

00:54:03they were looking

00:54:04elsewhere.

00:54:05I really didn't think

00:54:06they were looking

00:54:06at Rick.

00:54:07But the authorities

00:54:08had been looking

00:54:09very closely at Rick.

00:54:11And pretty soon,

00:54:12everyone would know

00:54:13about a secret

00:54:14they'd discovered.

00:54:15My jaw almost

00:54:16dropped to the floor.

00:54:16I couldn't believe it.

00:54:20Coming up.

00:54:21What had Connie's

00:54:22friends and family

00:54:23floored?

00:54:24I just kept on thinking,

00:54:26oh, my God.

00:54:27Rick was living

00:54:27a secret life.

00:54:29Absolutely.

00:54:31When Dateline

00:54:32Unforgettable

00:54:32continues.

00:54:42When Rick DeBate

00:54:43was arrested

00:54:44for killing

00:54:44his wife Connie,

00:54:45many wondered

00:54:46how this seemingly

00:54:47perfect marriage

00:54:48could have possibly

00:54:49ended in murder.

00:54:50Did Rick DeBate

00:54:52have any history

00:54:53of domestic violence

00:54:55that you could find?

00:54:56No.

00:54:57Criminal record?

00:54:58No.

00:54:59No.

00:55:00It seems odd

00:55:01that someone would,

00:55:02you know,

00:55:02go from having

00:55:03a clean slate

00:55:04to kill her.

00:55:06It does.

00:55:07And that was

00:55:08certainly a hurdle

00:55:08I considered

00:55:09on this case.

00:55:10I've got to convince

00:55:11the jury

00:55:11that this normal,

00:55:14suburban,

00:55:15professional guy

00:55:16with no record

00:55:17killed his wife.

00:55:18state's attorney,

00:55:22Matthew Ganansky,

00:55:23felt confident

00:55:24he could overcome

00:55:25that hurdle

00:55:25because he believed

00:55:26he had found the motive.

00:55:28He had a long-term affair

00:55:30with this other woman.

00:55:32She became pregnant

00:55:33in May of 2015.

00:55:36An affair?

00:55:37A pregnant girlfriend?

00:55:39The prosecutor

00:55:40was convinced

00:55:40Rick killed Connie

00:55:41to be with the other woman.

00:55:43Investigators

00:55:44had kept this bombshell quiet

00:55:45during the course

00:55:46of their nearly

00:55:4718-month investigation.

00:55:49But Rick had only

00:55:50kept it quiet

00:55:50from them

00:55:51for a couple of hours.

00:55:53He must have guessed

00:55:54they'd find out soon enough.

00:55:56So he brought it up

00:55:57right there on day one

00:55:58from his hospital bed.

00:56:00He told you this

00:56:01in the interview?

00:56:01He did.

00:56:02This is huge.

00:56:03It is.

00:56:04Her name was Sarah Ganser,

00:56:06and she and Rick

00:56:07had been friends

00:56:08since junior high.

00:56:09She had even done

00:56:10a reading

00:56:10at Rick and Connie's wedding.

00:56:13And the way Rick

00:56:13told it to detectives,

00:56:15it all sounded above board.

00:56:17Sarah, his newly single

00:56:18long-time friend,

00:56:19wanted to have a baby,

00:56:20and he and Connie

00:56:21offered to help.

00:56:23We were going to donate

00:56:24sperm to her

00:56:27to have a kid.

00:56:28But it became

00:56:29too expensive

00:56:30so that

00:56:31in order for her

00:56:33to conceive a child,

00:56:35they had to do

00:56:35some untraditional things.

00:56:37Rick had to sleep

00:56:38with Sarah?

00:56:39Yes.

00:56:39Instead of doing it

00:56:40a different way?

00:56:41Yes.

00:56:41Like the science route?

00:56:44Correct.

00:56:44Old-fashioned.

00:56:45Yes.

00:56:47Untraditional,

00:56:47but traditional

00:56:48in the way

00:56:48that the baby

00:56:49was conceived?

00:56:52Yeah.

00:56:52Okay.

00:56:53Do you think

00:56:53your wife had

00:56:54any issues with that?

00:56:55It was her idea,

00:56:56in a way.

00:56:57Her idea?

00:56:59Even if Connie

00:57:00agreed to help

00:57:01Rick's friend

00:57:01have a baby,

00:57:02I don't know about you,

00:57:03but it's hard

00:57:04to imagine most wives

00:57:05being okay

00:57:06with their husbands

00:57:06having sex

00:57:07with the person

00:57:08to make that happen.

00:57:10It seemed like

00:57:10the more Rick said,

00:57:11the more bizarre

00:57:12his story was getting.

00:57:14He may have sensed

00:57:15the detectives

00:57:16weren't buying it

00:57:17because then he shifted

00:57:18to something

00:57:18more believable,

00:57:20the kind of

00:57:20two-timing behavior

00:57:21we're used to hearing

00:57:23about on Dateline.

00:57:25There was cheating

00:57:25going on in the beginning.

00:57:27And then,

00:57:28finally,

00:57:29Rick settled

00:57:29on the real story.

00:57:30Was her getting

00:57:31pregnant unexpected?

00:57:33It was unexpected.

00:57:35After Rick's arrest,

00:57:36word got out

00:57:36about the affair.

00:57:38You thought

00:57:38they had a good marriage.

00:57:40I honestly thought

00:57:41I was being punked.

00:57:41I was like,

00:57:42this is not.

00:57:45Friends and family

00:57:46believe there's

00:57:46zero chance

00:57:47Connie knew about it,

00:57:48as Rick had claimed.

00:57:50If she had known

00:57:51that was happening,

00:57:52she would have said

00:57:52something to someone.

00:57:54That is something

00:57:54that she would have

00:57:55not accepted.

00:57:56It would have been

00:57:57very apparent,

00:57:58I think,

00:57:58if she knew.

00:57:58I think she would have

00:57:59been very angry.

00:58:01You know,

00:58:01she was very close

00:58:02to my mother.

00:58:02She would have called

00:58:03screaming and yelling.

00:58:05Connie was no

00:58:05shrinking violet.

00:58:06No.

00:58:07No.

00:58:08So I don't believe

00:58:09she knew.

00:58:10And I just kept

00:58:11on thinking,

00:58:12oh my God.

00:58:13I was shocked.

00:58:14Rick was living

00:58:15a secret life.

00:58:16Absolutely, yeah.

00:58:18The prosecutor

00:58:19believed Rick's

00:58:20secret life

00:58:20was on a collision

00:58:21course with his

00:58:22real life.

00:58:24So the pressure

00:58:24was building,

00:58:25and he actually

00:58:26voiced that

00:58:26to the handful

00:58:28of people

00:58:28that he told

00:58:29about this.

00:58:30That he was

00:58:30worried about

00:58:31a divorce,

00:58:32that he was

00:58:32worried that

00:58:33he was going

00:58:33to lose

00:58:33his friends,

00:58:34he was going

00:58:34to lose

00:58:34his family.

00:58:35He needed

00:58:36to resolve

00:58:36this situation

00:58:37to the point

00:58:37that you

00:58:38believed he

00:58:39took a life,

00:58:40his wife.

00:58:41Well,

00:58:41we don't grade

00:58:42them on the

00:58:42wisdom of

00:58:43their plan.

00:58:44We just grade

00:58:44them whether

00:58:45they're guilty

00:58:45or not guilty.

00:58:46And by any

00:58:47stretch of the

00:58:47imagination,

00:58:48no one would

00:58:49think this was

00:58:50a good plan

00:58:50to resolve

00:58:51his problem.

00:58:52No one would.

00:58:53But this was

00:58:54the plan he came

00:58:55up with.

00:58:55The prosecutor's

00:58:58plan was to

00:58:58lay it all

00:58:59out for a jury.

00:59:01But as he would

00:59:01soon find out,

00:59:03things don't

00:59:03always go

00:59:04according to plan.

00:59:05I think she was

00:59:06a very reluctant

00:59:07witness.

00:59:08I think she was

00:59:09very reluctant

00:59:10to provide

00:59:10answers.

00:59:13Coming up.

00:59:15Is the prosecution's

00:59:16star witness about

00:59:17to throw a curveball?

00:59:19How would you

00:59:20describe Sarah

00:59:21Ganser in court?

00:59:22Was she on

00:59:23your side?

00:59:24I would say

00:59:24she was not

00:59:25on the state

00:59:26side.

00:59:26I wouldn't say

00:59:27she was hostile,

00:59:28but I would say

00:59:28she approached

00:59:29that line.

00:59:32When Dateline

00:59:33Unforgettable

00:59:34continues.

00:59:43Rick DeBate

00:59:44had been arrested

00:59:45and charged

00:59:46with the murder

00:59:46of his wife,

00:59:47Connie.

00:59:48He had planned

00:59:49for this possibility

00:59:50when, the day

00:59:51after Connie's murder,

00:59:52he hired Hubert

00:59:53Santos, one of

00:59:54the most highly

00:59:55regarded defense

00:59:55attorneys in the

00:59:56state, and his

00:59:58partner, Trent

00:59:58LaLima.

01:00:00And that was the

01:00:01morning of Christmas

01:00:02Eve?

01:00:03Yes.

01:00:04That's an

01:00:04interesting time

01:00:06to get a call

01:00:07from a potential

01:00:07new client.

01:00:09Sometimes in

01:00:10criminal defense,

01:00:11things are urgent,

01:00:11things come up.

01:00:13But a sense of

01:00:14urgency didn't seem

01:00:14to apply to the

01:00:15courts, and any

01:00:16notion that justice

01:00:17would be swift

01:00:18quickly evaporated.

01:00:20The trial was

01:00:21delayed again

01:00:22and again, and

01:00:23again.

01:00:24Three years

01:00:25passed, and the

01:00:27entire time, Rick

01:00:29was free on bail.

01:00:31How did you cope?

01:00:32Not easy.

01:00:33It's not easy.

01:00:34Did you feel like

01:00:35he's getting this

01:00:36kind of free pass

01:00:37in the meantime,

01:00:38that he's out and

01:00:38about?

01:00:39Yeah.

01:00:40I remember one

01:00:41person saying the

01:00:42only person dancing

01:00:42in the streets is

01:00:43him.

01:00:44And so, you know,

01:00:44the family's

01:00:45devastated.

01:00:48The devastation

01:00:50was compounded

01:00:51when Connie's

01:00:52father died of

01:00:53cancer in 2019.

01:00:55I'm convinced for

01:00:56him he was holding

01:00:57on with very bad

01:00:58health, hoping to

01:01:00see this through.

01:01:02Just wanting to be

01:01:04there for all of us.

01:01:05I mean, he wanted

01:01:06to be the rock for

01:01:07us, and his body

01:01:09just came out.

01:01:11Eventually, the

01:01:12opposing sides

01:01:13assembled in a

01:01:14Connecticut courtroom

01:01:15and selected a jury.

01:01:16It was the eve of

01:01:17the trial, March

01:01:182020.

01:01:20And then COVID

01:01:20happened, and then

01:01:21it turned into

01:01:22months and years.

01:01:23Rick's attorney,

01:01:24Hubert Santos, passed

01:01:25away during this time,

01:01:26causing a further

01:01:27delay.

01:01:28Trent LaLima would

01:01:29now try the case

01:01:30without his partner

01:01:31and mentor.

01:01:32We already knew

01:01:33what our strategy

01:01:34was, what our

01:01:35defense would be,

01:01:36and so as much as

01:01:37he was not there

01:01:37for the trial, his

01:01:38ideas, his planning,

01:01:40they were.

01:01:41You believe the

01:01:41police really had

01:01:42tunnel vision in

01:01:44this case from the

01:01:45beginning?

01:01:45That was a clear

01:01:46part of our theory

01:01:47at trial.

01:01:48The state had

01:01:48already honed in

01:01:49on him from the

01:01:49beginning, and that

01:01:51they made their

01:01:51mind up and work

01:01:52backwards from

01:01:53there.

01:01:54When the trial

01:01:54finally started in

01:01:56April 2022, the

01:01:57state, led by

01:01:58Matthew Gidansky,

01:01:59told the jury it

01:02:00was not tunnel vision

01:02:01that pointed the

01:02:02finger at Rick

01:02:02debate, but concrete

01:02:04evidence, lots of

01:02:06it.

01:02:07He brought in the

01:02:08state police to

01:02:08explain how the

01:02:09crime scene looks

01:02:10staged, how Rocky

01:02:11the canine had

01:02:12traced Rick's and

01:02:14only Rick's scent

01:02:15at the scene.

01:02:16And he spelled

01:02:17out what he said

01:02:18were holes in

01:02:19Rick's story about

01:02:19that day.

01:02:21And of course, the

01:02:22prosecutor told the

01:02:23jury why Rick killed

01:02:24Connie.

01:02:25So the motive was

01:02:27his pregnant

01:02:28girlfriend.

01:02:29And who better to

01:02:29explain that to the

01:02:30jury than the woman

01:02:32herself?

01:02:34State is going to

01:02:35call Sarah Ganser

01:02:36next.

01:02:38Cameras weren't

01:02:39allowed in the

01:02:39courtroom, but this

01:02:40is an audio recording

01:02:41of the woman at the

01:02:42center of the love

01:02:43triangle, Sarah

01:02:44Ganser.

01:02:46Reporters covering

01:02:46the trial were keenly

01:02:48focused on her

01:02:48testimony.

01:02:50When Sarah Ganser

01:02:51walks into the

01:02:52courtroom, I mean,

01:02:53you could hear a

01:02:54pin drop.

01:02:55This is the testimony

01:02:56that so many people

01:02:57had been waiting to

01:02:59hear.

01:03:00At some point, did

01:03:02you become pregnant?

01:03:03I did.

01:03:04And who was the

01:03:05father of the baby?

01:03:08Rick debate.

01:03:09I think the jury

01:03:10empathized with Sarah.

01:03:12She told the court

01:03:13several times.

01:03:14This was tough

01:03:15testimony to do.

01:03:16She was sharing her

01:03:17most personal, intimate

01:03:18details with strangers.

01:03:20So, Ms. Ganser, even

01:03:22before you got

01:03:23pregnant with the

01:03:24defendant's baby, was

01:03:25the defendant indicating

01:03:27to you that there was

01:03:28going to be a divorce?

01:03:30Yes.

01:03:31The prosecution

01:03:32argued that despite

01:03:33what Rick had told

01:03:34Sarah, there was no

01:03:35evidence he and Connie

01:03:36were divorcing.

01:03:38But Sarah's time on

01:03:39the stand was not

01:03:40without its problems

01:03:41for Gidansky

01:03:42in his case.

01:03:43How would you

01:03:43describe Sarah

01:03:44Ganser in court?

01:03:46Was she on your

01:03:47side?

01:03:48No, I would say she

01:03:49was not on the

01:03:50state side.

01:03:51I wouldn't say she

01:03:51was hostile, but I

01:03:53would say she

01:03:53approached that line.

01:03:56The prosecution's

01:03:57theory was that Rick

01:03:58debate was under

01:03:59immense pressure.

01:04:00But that's not what

01:04:01Sarah said.

01:04:02Ms. Ganser, is it

01:04:03your testimony you

01:04:04never conveyed that

01:04:07you were upset that

01:04:08he did not file for

01:04:09a divorce?

01:04:11I don't recall

01:04:13telling him that.

01:04:14Did you ever shut

01:04:16him out, so to speak,

01:04:17and say, that's it?

01:04:20Well, yeah.

01:04:21That's different from

01:04:22saying I want you to

01:04:23get a divorce.

01:04:23Did he complain about

01:04:25the pressure of your

01:04:26situation and his

01:04:28situation?

01:04:31Not really to me.

01:04:35He never said the

01:04:36pressure's getting to

01:04:37me.

01:04:37I don't know what

01:04:38behaviors would

01:04:39characterize that.

01:04:41So I think the

01:04:41prosecution obviously

01:04:42kind of had this

01:04:43pregnancy as the

01:04:45reason, the motive

01:04:46behind this murder.

01:04:48But in Sarah's

01:04:49testimony, she wasn't

01:04:50looking to break up a

01:04:52family at all.

01:04:53And so I think in

01:04:54some cases, you know,

01:04:55it helped paint the

01:04:56picture that she was

01:04:57not putting pressure

01:04:58on Richard debate to

01:05:00make a decision.

01:05:02In the months leading

01:05:03up to the murder, Rick

01:05:04had texted tenderly with

01:05:05Sarah, referring to

01:05:07her as his little

01:05:08love nugget.

01:05:09And when investigators

01:05:10dug into Sarah's

01:05:11private Facebook

01:05:12messages, they said

01:05:14there was evidence

01:05:14Rick had been

01:05:15trashing his wife to

01:05:16his girlfriend.

01:05:17Did he ever call her

01:05:19names?

01:05:19I think that married

01:05:20people say, and even

01:05:22dating people say flippant

01:05:23things about each other

01:05:24all the time to other

01:05:25people.

01:05:25Did he ever call her

01:05:26names?

01:05:29I'm sure he did.

01:05:30Please don't ask me to

01:05:31remember any of them

01:05:32because it was seven

01:05:33years ago.

01:05:36Sarah appeared

01:05:36reluctant to help the

01:05:38prosecution.

01:05:39And in fact, defense

01:05:40attorney Trent LaLima

01:05:41believed she actually

01:05:42helped his client.

01:05:43It was quite clear

01:05:45she wasn't putting any

01:05:46pressure on him.

01:05:48She had told him that

01:05:49you just say the word

01:05:50and I won't put the

01:05:52father's name on the

01:05:52birth certificate.

01:05:54I won't mention your

01:05:54name to anybody.

01:05:55No one will ever know

01:05:56that this is your child.

01:05:59So how is the pressure

01:05:59on?

01:06:00If she's telling him,

01:06:02you can just go back

01:06:04to her and this and we

01:06:05can pretend this never

01:06:06happened.

01:06:07And that was exactly the

01:06:08point.

01:06:08The defense wanted to

01:06:09hammer home when they

01:06:10questioned Sarah.

01:06:11Because of your nature,

01:06:13was it often the case

01:06:15that you didn't

01:06:17regularly bring up the

01:06:19prospect of your divorce

01:06:20with Rick debate?

01:06:22That and because I did

01:06:24not want to be the cause

01:06:26of a breakup of their

01:06:28family.

01:06:29It was enough that I was

01:06:30pregnant.

01:06:31I did not want to break

01:06:33up their family.

01:06:36But Sarah clearly wanted

01:06:37to be with him.

01:06:39She told the jury her

01:06:40relationship with Rick

01:06:41continued even after he

01:06:42had been arrested and

01:06:43charged with Connie's

01:06:44murder.

01:06:46Well, I think Rick was

01:06:47arrested in 2017, in

01:06:49April.

01:06:50So it was again probably

01:06:51months after that, that

01:06:54yes, yet we started seeing

01:06:56each other again.

01:06:59Rick's family says the

01:07:00idea that Connie was

01:07:01killed over an affair was

01:07:02nonsense.

01:07:04How do you feel about

01:07:05that as a possible motive

01:07:06that, you know, he wanted

01:07:08Connie out of the way to,

01:07:09you know, be with?

01:07:11No.

01:07:12No.

01:07:12He would deal with it.

01:07:14He would have dealt with

01:07:15it.

01:07:16And Connie would have too.

01:07:17They would have somehow

01:07:18managed.

01:07:21And it wasn't such a big

01:07:22secret after all.

01:07:24He had, in fact, confided in

01:07:25his cousin Lori all about it.

01:07:27I think at the time his

01:07:29intention was to tell Connie

01:07:33and to try to keep his

01:07:35family together.

01:07:36And, you know, that that

01:07:39was going to be difficult

01:07:40and I was going to be there

01:07:43to do whatever I could to

01:07:45help.

01:07:46Sarah Ganser's testimony had

01:07:48not gone as smoothly as the

01:07:50prosecution had hoped.

01:07:51But there was more for the jury

01:07:53to consider, including what

01:07:55could amount to the proverbial

01:07:56smoking gun.

01:08:00Coming up, the story told

01:08:02by Data was a silent

01:08:04witness.

01:08:05Correct.

01:08:06Multiple silent witnesses.

01:08:08Digital evidence is powerful.

01:08:11When Dateline Unforgettable

01:08:13continues.

01:08:13The prosecution had put a

01:08:24reluctant witness on the stand

01:08:25who provided the jury with a

01:08:27why in the case against Rick

01:08:29debate.

01:08:30But now they had perhaps an

01:08:31even better witness, a witness

01:08:33with no emotional ties to the

01:08:36defendant.

01:08:37It was a silent witness.

01:08:38Correct.

01:08:39Multiple silent witnesses.

01:08:41Digital evidence is powerful.

01:08:43The state had what it said was

01:08:46cold, hard data.

01:08:48Detective Sergeant Bill

01:08:49Udermark told the jury and us

01:08:51how the debate's electronic

01:08:52devices held a treasure trove of

01:08:54information.

01:08:56And when you're talking about

01:08:56electronics, you're talking about

01:08:58Facebook accounts, the alarm

01:09:00reporting.

01:09:01You're talking about cell phone

01:09:02downloads, cameras, the Fitbit,

01:09:06surveillance cameras, a lot of

01:09:07different work that came into play.

01:09:09It all added up to a timeline for

01:09:11both Connie and Rick, what they did,

01:09:14where they went, who they talked

01:09:16to.

01:09:17What are you learning about

01:09:18Connie's last day?

01:09:19What had she done that morning?

01:09:21After she wakes up, I believe the

01:09:23first thing she does is go on her

01:09:24phone.

01:09:25She messages to some friends and

01:09:26then she starts her day.

01:09:27We have her putting on her Fitbit

01:09:29shortly after she got up.

01:09:31Connie's murder trial was one of the

01:09:33first in the country where Fitbit data

01:09:35played a central role in a

01:09:37prosecution.

01:09:38The device she wore on her waistband

01:09:40quietly logged when she was moving

01:09:42and when she wasn't.

01:09:45Connie had simply been using it to

01:09:46live her life and stay healthy like

01:09:48so many people.

01:09:49But as detectives pieced together her

01:09:51final hours, that data helped build a

01:09:54very different timeline than the one

01:09:56Rick was telling them.

01:09:57She's starting the day with the kids,

01:09:59getting the kids ready for school.

01:10:00She has a couple of other text messages

01:10:03during the morning and then we can see

01:10:06her leaving, getting in the car,

01:10:08driving to the Y.

01:10:09We can see when she hops in her car

01:10:12because there's no movement on the

01:10:13Fitbit, she's not walking anymore.

01:10:16Connie arrived at the YMCA as seen in

01:10:18these surveillance images, but didn't

01:10:20stay long because her exercise class

01:10:22had been canceled.

01:10:24She drove straight home.

01:10:26And the Fitbit picks her up?

01:10:27Correct.

01:10:28Getting home, getting out of the car?

01:10:29So she starts getting steps again on the

01:10:31Fitbit.

01:10:31So that's about 918, 920.

01:10:33So then she's moving sporadically

01:10:35inside the house.

01:10:36We correspond that with some of the

01:10:38Facebook things that she's doing as

01:10:39well.

01:10:40This is where the Fitbit becomes really

01:10:41critical because Rick's story was that

01:10:44Connie came home and he was yelling at

01:10:47her to escape or to flee this intruder.

01:10:50And Rick's story is that this occurred

01:10:54at 9 o'clock.

01:10:54So now we have steps on her Fitbit up to

01:10:5810.05.

01:10:59So it's an hour and five minutes.

01:11:01So you've got a time discrepancy.

01:11:03Correct.

01:11:03Connie's electronic footprint was telling

01:11:05a different story than what Rick was

01:11:08telling you.

01:11:09Not just Connie's.

01:11:10Rick's as well.

01:11:11It provided us all kinds of information

01:11:13showing us that he really never left the

01:11:15property.

01:11:16He's very close to the house, if not in

01:11:18the house.

01:11:19So the story about him driving away,

01:11:22realizing he forgot his laptop and going

01:11:24back, that you were finding that that was

01:11:26not?

01:11:26That was not the case.

01:11:29According to the electronic data, Rick

01:11:31debate never left the property.

01:11:34Instead, according to the prosecution,

01:11:36Rick stayed home and waited for Connie to

01:11:38return, then spent nearly an hour building

01:11:41up the nerve to lure her down into the

01:11:43basement where he shot her dead and staged

01:11:46his own attack.

01:11:47But that theory was full of holes, said

01:11:53defense attorney Trent LaLima.

01:11:55And it's important to remember, it's the

01:11:56state's job to prove beyond a reasonable

01:11:59doubt their case.

01:12:01And reasonable doubt was everywhere, he said,

01:12:04starting with the fact that Rick was not a

01:12:06violent man.

01:12:07Rick debate has never had an allegation of

01:12:09violence in his history.

01:12:11You don't go from that to what the state

01:12:13alleges of that morning.

01:12:14And he said the prosecution's evidence to

01:12:17the contrary could not be trusted.

01:12:20These electronic devices are not prepared

01:12:22with the idea that they're going to be

01:12:23used in a murder trial.

01:12:25Fitbit designed their device to make money.

01:12:27It's not meant to be a absolutely accurate

01:12:30scientific or legal device.

01:12:32And in fact, the people that testify at

01:12:33trial couldn't even tell us how the Fitbit

01:12:35reached the conclusions it did.

01:12:37They could only tell us the numbers it spit out.

01:12:39Now how it got the numbers.

01:12:40But you're still having to say that every

01:12:41single device was faulty or inaccurate.

01:12:45I think it's quite possible that all these

01:12:48electronic devices are not perfect.

01:12:50But they all were wrong?

01:12:52They could all have errors.

01:12:54Absolutely.

01:12:55The defense argued there was one thing the

01:12:57jury could rely on.

01:12:59The old-fashioned tried-and-true forensic

01:13:01evidence, which was in our favor.

01:13:04DNA at the crime scene.

01:13:07Investigators had found plenty of it.

01:13:09And the defense said it confirmed

01:13:11Rick DeBate's story about an intruder.

01:13:14In this case, we had unidentified DNA

01:13:16in six different key places.

01:13:19Starting with the master bedroom closet.

01:13:22Going down to the safe box in the basement

01:13:24where the gun was kept.

01:13:25Going to the gun itself.

01:13:27Including the inside of Rick DeBate's shirt.

01:13:30And including the door exiting the basement

01:13:32out the hatchway.

01:13:34And it's important to remember,

01:13:35Rick DeBate, when he told his story to the police

01:13:37that first day, before he could have ever known

01:13:40what the DNA results were,

01:13:42he was citing those exact places,

01:13:44saying that's where the intruder was.

01:13:45That's what the intruder touched in the house.

01:13:48The defense also wanted to make clear to the jury

01:13:51that despite what the prosecution wanted them to believe,

01:13:54Rick DeBate never wavered in his story

01:13:56about what happened that morning on Birchview Drive.

01:13:58His wife is shot feet away from him

01:14:03after he's attacked by an intruder.

01:14:05That would be the most traumatic day of anybody's life.

01:14:08The most traumatic experience of anybody's life.

01:14:10And are we going to expect that he's going to have

01:14:13the exact time of how long everything happened?

01:14:16Remember every small detail of what he did

01:14:18on his iPad or his tablet that morning?

01:14:21The big details, that he was home,

01:14:25an intruder was in the home, attacked him,

01:14:28and they ran down to the basement

01:14:29and that man shot his wife.

01:14:30Those details were always consistent.

01:14:33But the jurors wouldn't have to take his word for it.

01:14:36They would hear it straight from Rick DeBate himself.

01:14:40The defense will call Richard DeBate Jr.

01:14:43Coming up, Rick recounts the horror

01:14:46of his wife's last moments.

01:14:48I heard a loud bang, I believe a flash,

01:14:52and I remember seeing

01:14:56how Connie of all emotion was to the ground.

01:14:59When Dateline Unforgettable continues.

01:15:10Rick DeBate had waited more than six years

01:15:13to tell his side of the story.

01:15:15Now was his chance as he took the stand

01:15:17in his own defense.

01:15:19How has Connie's loss affected you?

01:15:24I don't know where to start with that.

01:15:28It affected me in the most awfully negative way possible.

01:15:33The boys don't have a mother.

01:15:35Life is irreversibly changed for the worse.

01:15:39Rick acknowledged to the jury

01:15:41he had cheated on Connie with Sarah.

01:15:43Did it happen on multiple occasions?

01:15:45Yes, it did.

01:15:46At some point around this time period,

01:15:48did Sarah tell you anything?

01:15:50Yes, she did.

01:15:51What did she tell you?

01:15:53She told me she was pregnant.

01:15:55But just as Sarah Ganser had testified,

01:15:58Rick denied feeling pressure

01:15:59to choose between her and Connie.

01:16:01Did she tell you to do anything?

01:16:03No.

01:16:04Did she present options to you?

01:16:07Yes, she did.

01:16:08What options did she present to you?

01:16:09Um, she said if you stay with Connie,

01:16:12that she wouldn't tell anyone who the dad was.

01:16:16And then Rick took the jury through that awful morning.

01:16:19What happened when you got upstairs?

01:16:21I went upstairs,

01:16:22and when I opened up the closet door,

01:16:26there was an intruder.

01:16:27He told them how the intruder demanded his wallet,

01:16:29and then what happened when he heard Connie come home.

01:16:32What did you do?

01:16:33I yelled, Connie, there was someone in the house,

01:16:36run.

01:16:38The intruder grabbed my hand,

01:16:40twisted it somehow,

01:16:42forced me to the ground,

01:16:44and ran out.

01:16:46Ran out of stairs.

01:16:47What did you do?

01:16:50After I eventually got up,

01:16:51I ran after him.

01:16:52And he described getting to the basement

01:16:54just seconds too late.

01:16:56What did you see and hear?

01:16:57I heard a loud bang,

01:17:00a leaf of flesh,

01:17:01and

01:17:02I remember seeing

01:17:06how Connie

01:17:07fall in motion was to the ground.

01:17:09Next, he told the jury

01:17:10how he was tortured,

01:17:11eventually fighting off the intruder

01:17:13with the blowtorch.

01:17:14I thought maybe I burned his mask,

01:17:16but he put his hands up in his face,

01:17:19dropped the blowtorch,

01:17:22and

01:17:23ran.

01:17:24Rick DeBate professed his love for Connie

01:17:27and his innocence in her murder.

01:17:29Who shot

01:17:30Connie DeBate?

01:17:31James Ritter.

01:17:33Did you shoot Connie?

01:17:34No.

01:17:36Did you

01:17:36stage any of the evidence

01:17:39at that scene?

01:17:40No, I didn't.

01:17:41That part of Rick's story

01:17:43never wavered.

01:17:44But there were subtle differences

01:17:45between what he initially told investigators

01:17:47and what he said in court.

01:17:50For instance,

01:17:50in 2015,

01:17:51he told detectives this.

01:17:53I walked in,

01:17:54put my phone down,

01:17:55then I heard something upstairs.

01:17:57I heard something fall,

01:17:58so I can catch it.

01:18:00Break something again,

01:18:02and then went upstairs,

01:18:03and something happened.

01:18:05But this is what he told the jury

01:18:06in 2022.

01:18:08What did you do

01:18:09when you went inside?

01:18:11Put my keys down

01:18:12on a hatch,

01:18:14put my phone

01:18:15near the car

01:18:18because I was going to make a coffee,

01:18:19and at that point,

01:18:21since I told my boss

01:18:22I was running late,

01:18:23I just decided

01:18:24to kind of

01:18:25veg out a little bit

01:18:25and surf the internet

01:18:26and kind of take my time.

01:18:29Now, at some point,

01:18:30was this interrupted?

01:18:33Yes.

01:18:35What happened?

01:18:38Heard something upstairs.

01:18:40The allegation was that

01:18:41he was changing his story

01:18:43to fit what he'd heard

01:18:45during the trial.

01:18:46I mean,

01:18:47what change were

01:18:47the gaps

01:18:48in between the big moments?

01:18:50How long was he home?

01:18:51Was he making a coffee?

01:18:52You know,

01:18:53did he go on his iPad

01:18:54for a bit

01:18:54to kill some time?

01:18:55Those gaps changed,

01:18:57but the details were the same,

01:18:58and he stuck to the key parts

01:19:00of his story

01:19:00that he had told

01:19:01the police

01:19:01and the family

01:19:02over and over again,

01:19:04and those have never changed

01:19:05over the years.

01:19:06But now,

01:19:07it was state's attorney

01:19:08Matthew Godanski's turn

01:19:09to ask the questions,

01:19:10and perhaps nobody

01:19:12had listened more closely

01:19:13to Rick's story

01:19:14than he had.

01:19:15I was looking forward

01:19:16to cross-examine him.

01:19:18Yeah.

01:19:18Did you beat him up?

01:19:20I guess that's

01:19:21for someone else

01:19:22to determine.

01:19:23The prosecutor

01:19:23pulled no punches,

01:19:25accusing Rick

01:19:26of getting rid

01:19:27of his wife

01:19:27while trying to make himself

01:19:28look good

01:19:29in the process.

01:19:30And so this is

01:19:31the plan you came up with

01:19:32for this dilemma

01:19:33that you were in?

01:19:34There's no plan, sir.

01:19:36You could be the hero,

01:19:37a failed hero,

01:19:38but a hero?

01:19:40No.

01:19:41He pressed Rick

01:19:42to account for the inconsistencies

01:19:43in his story.

01:19:44And you could see

01:19:45from the data

01:19:46that you and Connie

01:19:47were home together

01:19:48for a good half hour

01:19:50or so that day

01:19:51before she was killed.

01:19:53At some point,

01:19:54I,

01:19:54okay.

01:19:55But that,

01:19:56that disputes your story.

01:19:58Your story is that

01:19:59she came home

01:19:59and she ran down

01:20:00in the basement.

01:20:03That's not the full story,

01:20:04sir.

01:20:05You never left

01:20:06that house,

01:20:06did you?

01:20:07I absolutely

01:20:08left the house

01:20:08that day.

01:20:09And every chance

01:20:10he got,

01:20:11the prosecutor

01:20:12made sure

01:20:12to emphasize

01:20:13one key element

01:20:14of Rick's story,

01:20:15a Hollywood element.

01:20:17There were two people

01:20:18in that closet,

01:20:19you and Vin Diesel.

01:20:20That must be

01:20:21your wrestling match

01:20:22with Vin Diesel,

01:20:23correct?

01:20:23And that Vin Diesel,

01:20:24Vin Diesel,

01:20:25this Vin Diesel guy,

01:20:26you must have been

01:20:27fighting with Vin Diesel,

01:20:28were you not?

01:20:30I was fighting

01:20:30with an intruder,

01:20:31yes.

01:20:32Why bring up

01:20:33a movie star

01:20:34so many times

01:20:36in your cross-examination?

01:20:38He's the one

01:20:38who said the guy

01:20:39sounded like Vin Diesel,

01:20:40so I was certainly

01:20:42going to use it

01:20:42with him.

01:20:44Was he trying

01:20:44to get a rise

01:20:45out of Rick?

01:20:46Or was it a wink

01:20:47and a nod

01:20:47to the jury,

01:20:48a way to emphasize

01:20:49how ridiculous

01:20:50he found the whole story?

01:20:52You chased Vin Diesel,

01:20:55who was chasing

01:20:55your wife.

01:20:56The exchanges

01:20:57were tense,

01:20:58often accusatory,

01:20:59but Rick debate

01:21:00stuck to his story.

01:21:02He didn't kill Connie,

01:21:03an intruder did.

01:21:04You shot her

01:21:05in the back

01:21:06of the head,

01:21:07did you not?

01:21:07Absolutely not, sir.

01:21:08And then you went

01:21:09up to her

01:21:09and you pulled her back

01:21:11and you put another

01:21:11shot in her stomach

01:21:12to finish her off,

01:21:13didn't you?

01:21:14Absolutely not, sir.

01:21:15Was he lying?

01:21:17It was now up

01:21:18to the jury

01:21:18to decide.

01:21:19Ladies and gentlemen

01:21:20of the jury,

01:21:21in the case of

01:21:21State v. Richard DeBate,

01:21:23have you agreed

01:21:23upon a verdict?

01:21:24We have.

01:21:25Less than a day's

01:21:26worth of deliberating

01:21:27was all it took.

01:21:28Will the defendant,

01:21:29Richard DeBate,

01:21:30please rise

01:21:30and face the jury?

01:21:32Madam Foreperson,

01:21:33is the defendant

01:21:33guilty or not guilty?

01:21:35We found the defendant

01:21:36guilty.

01:21:41How did you feel

01:21:42when you heard guilty?

01:21:44Like a victory,

01:21:45you know,

01:21:45definitely felt like

01:21:46a weight lifted

01:21:48off my shoulders.

01:21:49It had been years.

01:21:50Years.

01:21:51Finally,

01:21:52this part was over.

01:21:53Yeah,

01:21:53it was relief.

01:21:57After six and a half years

01:21:59from that day

01:22:00that you went

01:22:00to that crime scene,

01:22:02you finally had

01:22:03the guilty verdict.

01:22:04You know,

01:22:04we felt a great

01:22:06responsibility to Connie

01:22:07and obviously

01:22:10very happy with the verdict.

01:22:11The irony is that

01:22:12he came up

01:22:13with this crazy,

01:22:15evil plan

01:22:17to protect

01:22:18his reputation

01:22:19and this is how

01:22:21he's going to be remembered.

01:22:23Rick DeBate

01:22:24convicted wife killer.

01:22:26He was sentenced

01:22:27to 65 years

01:22:29in prison.

01:22:29It was an amazing

01:22:32feeling.

01:22:33Like,

01:22:33it was better

01:22:34than I thought

01:22:35it was going to be

01:22:36and I just think

01:22:37it was because

01:22:38I can move on now

01:22:40because those seven years

01:22:43there was just

01:22:43so much anxiety.

01:22:47I changed

01:22:48as a person.

01:22:50I lost a part

01:22:51of me

01:22:51that I'll never

01:22:52get back.

01:22:52On the other side

01:22:55of the courtroom,

01:22:57different tears.

01:22:58That's a tough moment

01:23:00when now your son

01:23:01is being led away

01:23:04for murdering

01:23:05his wife.

01:23:10Yep.

01:23:15Yeah.

01:23:17I can't believe

01:23:18he's there.

01:23:19I can't believe

01:23:20he's there.

01:23:21Two families

01:23:24torn apart

01:23:25learning to live

01:23:26with different

01:23:26types of pain

01:23:27but they all

01:23:28share one thing

01:23:29a love for Connie.

01:23:32Everything she did

01:23:33was out of her heart.

01:23:35There are people

01:23:35we never met

01:23:36that would reach out

01:23:37and say

01:23:37she did a small

01:23:39act of kindness

01:23:40or she did

01:23:40something amazing.

01:23:43Connie meant

01:23:43the world

01:23:44to those lucky

01:23:45enough to know her

01:23:45but of all the people

01:23:47Connie touched

01:23:48no one meant

01:23:49more to her

01:23:50than her two sons.

01:23:51Like so many

01:23:52of the victims

01:23:53we profile on Dateline

01:23:54she endures

01:23:55through her children

01:23:56her greatest legacy.

01:24:01Do you feel

01:24:02that Connie

01:24:03will live on

01:24:04in her boys?

01:24:05I know she will.

01:24:06Like she just

01:24:07she had a

01:24:08great beautiful

01:24:09influence on them

01:24:11and I know

01:24:11they will carry

01:24:12that forward.

01:24:13And maybe

01:24:14a good piece

01:24:15of advice

01:24:15is to

01:24:16go through life

01:24:18treating people

01:24:19like their mom

01:24:20like their mom

01:24:20did.

01:24:21Absolutely.

01:24:24Peggy and Darlene

01:24:25will forever

01:24:25miss their

01:24:26third musketeer

01:24:27but they know

01:24:28Connie's legacy

01:24:29lives on

01:24:30along the once again

01:24:31quiet

01:24:32Birchview Drive.

01:24:34Connie was the connector.

01:24:36Connie wanted

01:24:37to connect

01:24:37all the neighbors

01:24:39to one another.

01:24:40Her death

01:24:41brought everyone together.

01:24:42Absolutely.

01:24:44She was

01:24:45beautiful

01:24:46from the inside out.

01:24:48Her light

01:24:48was so bright

01:24:49that you just

01:24:50wanted to be

01:24:51in the light

01:24:51with her.

01:24:52She was

01:24:59and then

01:25:00she was

01:25:01that

01:25:02she was

01:25:02looking at

01:25:03her.

01:25:03She was

01:25:04like

01:25:05the

01:25:05same

01:25:06as

01:25:07as

01:25:08I

01:25:08really

01:25:09thought

01:25:10about

01:25:10her.

01:25:11She was

01:25:12like

01:25:12the

01:25:13girl

01:25:13and

01:25:14she

01:25:14started

01:25:14to

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