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00:00911, what's your emergency?
00:02Hello?
00:03I need help.
00:05I'm trapped here.
00:07Hello?
00:08It's dark.
00:09Help.
00:10Ma'am?
00:11Please.
00:12Ma'am, are you still there?
00:18Hey, how you doing?
00:19They just put it right there.
00:22You, uh, you don't look so happy to see me.
00:25I, no, I just, I want to just get this case behind me.
00:28If today's not a good day.
00:29No, it's great.
00:30Not a problem.
00:31Not a problem.
00:32Great.
00:33Let's start at the beginning then.
00:34When did you meet Abigail Turney?
00:35Uh, that was a few years ago when she showed up at my door pretending to be pregnant with
00:40my grandchild.
00:41Excuse me?
00:42Abigail and my son Henry met in college.
00:44They got engaged, you know, fast.
00:47Very fast.
00:49Her way of breaking the news to me was to go bigger.
00:52But, um, despite that introduction, I was charmed by her.
00:57She, she had, uh, walked a tough road, but she had grit.
01:02She was resourceful and driven, and I, I admire that.
01:05So she and Henry are no longer together?
01:07Yeah, she broke off the engagement, but, uh, it was amicable.
01:10You arranged for Abigail to have a ride-along with the LAPD?
01:12Yes.
01:13Yeah, she was considering police work.
01:15I take it that didn't work out.
01:16Leave her alone!
01:17Hey!
01:18Ah!
01:19Yes!
01:20It did not.
01:21And then six months ago, she was reported missing.
01:23What exactly happened to Abigail?
01:24Look, if you're gonna get to the bottom of what happened to that poor girl, you're gonna
01:30have to have an open mind.
01:33A very open mind.
01:35Hey!
01:36Ah!
01:37Police!
01:38I wonder when that happened.
01:39Oh, my God.
01:40Hello?
01:41Can you hear me?
01:42When did you get involved in the case?
01:43Uh, not immediately.
01:44Most missing persons cases aren't really cases.
01:45They're a roommate who got too drunk at a bar and slept it off in his truck, or a college
01:47student whose cell phone ran out of battery.
01:48You know, most of the time they'd show up unharmed and confused about all the fuss.
01:51But this wasn't like that, was it?
01:52No.
01:53After a few days of follow-up calls, we sent officers by Miss Tierney's apartment for a
01:58wellness check.
01:59Thanks again for doing this.
02:01Always a pleasure to see my favorite couple.
02:03Let's keep this professional.
02:04Trouble in paradise?
02:05Oh, my God.
02:06You're my God.
02:07Oh, my God.
02:08Oh, my God.
02:09Oh, my God.
02:10Oh, my God.
02:11Oh, my God.
02:12Oh, my God.
02:13Oh, my God.
02:14Oh, my God.
02:15Oh, my God.
02:16Oh, my God.
02:17Oh, my God.
02:18Oh, my God.
02:19Oh, my God.
02:20Oh, my God.
02:21Oh, my God.
02:22Sorry, I'm moving on.
02:24What did you find at Abigail's apartment?
02:26Very little. You mean no signs of a struggle?
02:28Well, there was no sign of her or her film equipment,
02:31but we did find her laptop.
02:32Hold on. Film equipment? Abigail was making a movie?
02:34Yes.
02:40We should be safe here.
02:42Why are they doing this?
02:44Go. I'll try to buy you some time.
02:49No!
02:50No!
02:52No!
02:52No!
02:58Please.
03:00I promise I'll pay.
03:04I'll pay the fine.
03:07I only saw an early cut.
03:10Could have used a bit more gore, if you ask me.
03:12I didn't.
03:13I asked why you thought Abigail's case was so compelling.
03:16Oh, right.
03:17Because her Hollywood dream had become a Hollywood nightmare.
03:27Would you like me to take that again?
03:28I really wouldn't.
03:29When you searched Abigail's laptop, did you find anything on it?
03:32Yeah.
03:32It was filled with all of these unanswered messages, nasty ones.
03:36The more we investigated, it became clear that Abigail had a lot of people angry with her.
03:41Like who?
03:41Okay.
03:43Thanks, Steve.
03:44Spielberg.
03:45He's an old friend.
03:47I bet.
03:48How did you get involved with Abigail Tierney?
03:50Oh, well, you know, we're always looking to discover and nurture the next generation of unheard voices.
03:58Abigail sent in a very compelling pitch video.
04:00Terror isn't something that happens to you.
04:07I mean, it's not every day you find a writer, director, and star with that much, um, poise.
04:15L.P.D. was one of those visionary, artist-driven pictures that, uh, we pride ourselves on making.
04:20And they're the cheapest, too, right?
04:22Well, hey, you know, the lower the budget, the higher the profit, if it's a hit.
04:26But the budget became an issue.
04:27Yeah, um, Abigail pitched us a straightforward horror flick, but, uh, she kept changing directions.
04:35Please!
04:41The reshoot started piling up.
04:44And, uh, we had to pull the plug on the project.
04:47What about nurturing a new generation of talent?
04:49Hey, look, there's nurturing and there's indulging.
04:52I'm a businessman.
04:53There's no hard feelings.
04:54Really?
04:55Because I have an email from you with the subject line, where the hell is my money, you lying sack?
04:59Uh, okay, yeah, fine.
05:01A few hard feelings.
05:03But they were nothing compared to some of those new producers she found.
05:06Those guys weren't playing around.
05:08Well, without the production company, Abigail had to turn to crowdfunding.
05:12When Nolan passed along Abigail's pitch video, I figured, hey, I've always loved scary movies.
05:17And what's the point of having a husband with a trust fund if you can't use it to support the arts?
05:21And it wasn't just money, was it?
05:23No.
05:24I promise I'll pay.
05:26I'll pay the fine.
05:28Ah!
05:28All right, still rolling.
05:31Reset.
05:33Bravo!
05:34Bravo!
05:36So Abigail hired you to compose music for her film.
05:40What was it like to work with her?
05:41Complicated.
05:42She's very opinionated, which I respect.
05:46I tried not to take it personally when she kept throwing out all the music I was writing,
05:50but then when she completely disappeared and stopped answering my phone calls...
05:54That must have stung.
05:55It did until I learned that she walked off set and ghosted everybody, not just me.
05:58Then I got worried about her.
06:00I do wish she paid me, though.
06:02Hold up.
06:04You didn't get paid?
06:05Did you count experience?
06:07But it didn't provide you with the breakthrough you hoped.
06:09Look, even though a lot of crowdfunders were furious that the rewards were going unfulfilled,
06:12their anger didn't manifest into a concrete threat.
06:15From the suspect's perspective, we were back to square one.
06:18Until we discovered that Abigail had made several trips up to Pelican Bay.
06:21The prison?
06:22Yes.
06:22To visit who?
06:23A serial killer.
06:25Liam Glasser.
06:27In news that should bring some relief to the Southland,
06:30the LAPD have announced a major arrest charging Lincoln Heights native Liam Glasser
06:35with the murder of ten victims found buried near the Sepulveda Dam.
06:39Our investigation into Glasser was a challenge.
06:43He used another serial killer, Harrison Novak, as cover for his crimes, stashing his victims
06:49in Novak's burial ground.
06:51It wasn't until we caught Glasser attempting to murder a new victim that we were finally
06:56able to put him behind bars.
06:58Before we start, I just want to make very clear that I'm an innocent man and the subject of
07:07an extraordinary campaign of harassment by the LAPD, particularly Detective Nyla Harper.
07:15You've been charged with the murder of ten people.
07:17Those horrific allegations have not been proven in a court of law, and they never will be.
07:23You've also been charged with jury tampering.
07:25Like, if you're just going to railroad me like the police, then this interview is over.
07:30Hold on, hold on.
07:31I'm not here to talk about any of that.
07:33I want to talk about Abigail.
07:34Why did she come see you?
07:41To learn about Westview.
07:42Westview Psychiatric Hospital was at the center of Glasser's case.
07:45He was a patient?
07:46No, no, but his vending machine company supplied the hospital, and he was in and out of there
07:52for almost two decades.
07:53It's where he crossed paths with Harrison Novak, and where he found another patient,
07:57Ryan Dearborn, to serve as a Patsy.
08:00He used an abandoned building at the psych hospital complex to torture and kill his victims.
08:05Did Abigail ask about the abandoned ward?
08:07Yes.
08:08But I couldn't help her much because I've never been there myself.
08:12Obviously not.
08:12But I told her what I'd heard, that the place was haunted, which is obviously crazy.
08:18But, um, when I was a kid, I would join my father on his service calls to Westview.
08:23He always told me to stay away from that building.
08:27Something inside clearly scared the hell out of him.
08:32And he was not a superstitious man.
08:34The thing that we couldn't understand was how Abigail had found out about Glasser's connection
08:38to the psych ward in the first place.
08:40It wasn't public knowledge?
08:41No, we kept those details away from the press, deliberately.
08:44The only people who knew were Glasser and the police, and obviously Glasser wouldn't admit
08:48to being down there.
08:49Which means?
08:50What they don't tell you about making movies is that it's really boring.
08:54It's worse than surveillance.
08:56Anyway, Abigail and I got to talking about my recent case work, and it's possible I may
09:01have mentioned something about the psych ward.
09:03From Abigail's notes, we gathered that she essentially abandoned her movie for a new project.
09:08That was shortly after meeting with Glasser.
09:10Yeah, she felt that fictional storytelling was disconnected from real, lived experience.
09:15So that's when she decided to make a true crime documentary about Westview.
09:18Westview Psychiatric Hospital opened in 1953.
09:30It started as a model of modern humane care.
09:33But what lies beneath?
09:35The deeper I dug, the more horrors I unearthed.
09:38Mysteries that defied explanation.
09:41How can one hospital spawn two serial killers?
09:44Some might say it's bad luck, but I don't believe in bad luck.
09:48Mm-mm.
09:49I think there's something rotten here.
09:52Original sin.
09:53And I'm gonna prove it.
09:55The footage on Abigail's hard drive shows her inside Westview's abandoned ward.
09:59Was that open to the public?
10:01No.
10:01After LAPD and FBI finished processing the scene, the hospital put up a razor wire fence,
10:07hired a security guard for 24-hour surveillance to keep intruders up.
10:11But that clearly didn't work.
10:13Clearly.
10:13So we sent a patrol unit to check in with the guard.
10:16Mr. Dewaler!
10:17Yeah?
10:18We're investigating the disappearance of Abigail Tierney.
10:21Ah.
10:23Oh, hey!
10:24Hey!
10:43Hey!
10:45Stop!
10:48Hands behind your back.
10:49Okay.
10:49Hands behind your back.
10:50At first, Carl Dittweiler claimed he did nothing wrong.
10:54That he never met Abigail.
10:56This is it.
10:56But when he searched his office, it was clear he was lying.
11:02Oh, man.
11:03Oh, no.
11:13Oh, no.
11:14Abigail had become his obsession.
11:17Oh.
11:17yeah things didn't look good for mr ditweiler and based on his board it was clear he had become
11:25obsessed with abigail and now maybe she rejected his advances and things went sideways it was
11:32sobering i held out hopes that abigail might still be alive but i've been on the job long
11:37enough to know that the odds were against that do you know how they first crossed paths actually it
11:42was abigail that first initiated contact she was researching the abandoned psych ward for a
11:48documentary and carl was the nighttime security guard she wanted access on the dl and she reached
11:54out and she flirted flirted she flirted with him and he agreed to let her in i just showed her around i
12:02told her some stories things that had gone on there back in the day she was impressed she actually asked
12:08me to help her with her documentary said she gave me a credit on the film single card if you're
12:13innocent why'd you run because i get what it looks like i was the last person to see her before she
12:18disappeared how do you know that because i watched the darkness swallow her up you know i bet they were
12:25doing all kinds of sick things to patients back in the day i think that would be illegal now yeah yeah
12:31i know they used to do lobotomies one of the orderly's told me about it he's worked here for
12:35like forever you think you could introduce me to him uh yeah i guess uh just obviously i can't tell
12:44him that i've let you in here come on carl i would never rat you out we're friends right did you hear
12:52that we're friends do you hear that what no that noise it's a weird sort of beautiful sound you really
13:07don't hear it no no but this building makes all kinds of weird noises hey i just gotta go back to
13:12the main building radio security let them know if i'm at my post you go ahead i'm gonna go check this
13:16out what did you make of the sound abigail described we weren't sure i mean carl claimed to
13:23have never heard it it's possible that she was faking to juice up her documentary we've actually
13:29analyzed some of the audio files from carl's video isolated the low end frequencies here
13:34what is that i was hoping you could tell me it sounds demonic is that even a frequency humans can hear
13:44not technically no
13:45well whatever she heard or didn't hear abigail kept searching sure about this yeah i'll be right
13:56back hello hello can you hear me and that was the last anyone had seen her but carl could have just
14:05turned off his camera and then killed abigail right we couldn't rule him out as a suspect but we only had
14:10circumstantial evidence against him and as we went through the footage on abigail's laptop we discovered
14:15that flirting with carl wasn't her only extreme research tactic i'm gonna start this should i turn
14:22into it i'm gonna turn into it okay i'm back at westview and if i'm gonna learn more about how the old
14:29psych ward operated i'm gonna need to see their files obviously i can't just walk around filming people so
14:35it's camp see okay wish me luck abigail had carl lure the director away from her office so abigail could sneak inside
15:03you know
15:13yeah i mean seeing rachel's name in abigail's footage was definitely a shock you both have a history with miss hall is that right
15:20yes so uh she and i went to college together and um her and tim i'm sorry
15:27uh yeah we used to date before or after you two okay next question i'm simply trying to establish a
15:34timeline no problem i'll just ask her later i uh worked in the psych ward at westview for a year
15:42while getting my social work degree it was um challenging how so uh for one thing the uh patients would often
15:50arrive at the facility with say a diagnosis of mild depression and a week later they'd start to exhibit
15:57disordered thinking eventually they might become violent the decompensation was sudden and acute you're
16:04saying they would get worse not better yes and conventional treatments seem to never work someone
16:09suggested a supernatural presence at westview could that have impacted the patients uh well just because
16:14because the doctors at westview couldn't find a cause for our patients behavior doesn't mean there
16:19isn't one maybe it's just beyond the capabilities of modern science to discover or maybe it's demons
16:27there are no demons at westview there are totally demons at westview
16:33what's another explanation for everything that's happened we got liam glasser harrison novak and most
16:38recently ava maxwell ava maxwell and charlotte russell this man came out in a big overcoat black
16:46mask big knife hang on a moment i know that ava and charlotte were never treated at westview so
16:51what's the connection oh you didn't hear charlotte's nanny was a patient there when she was a teenager
16:55yes yes i was at westview i had um been having thoughts of self-harm acting out my family was very
17:02concerned so they arranged for me to receive the best care available and did the treatment help not at
17:08first i'd been experiencing a a darkness that i had never felt before and at first i fought it and
17:15then i realized that struggling only made everything worse and once i accepted it that's when things
17:21started to get better and i left westview and i finished school and i eventually made a little
17:26life for myself you were the nanny for the russell family yes charlotte and i were very very close
17:33well i know that everyone's saying just the worst things about her right now but in my eyes she is
17:40a poised and gifted young woman and i'd like to think that i had a small hand in that as odd as it was
17:46to find that connection it was just one of those weird coincidences nothing more charlotte russell convinced
17:52her friend ava to help her stab their other friend grace there her actions were her own they're not
17:57inspired by some nanny with a history of mental illness or some demon in a computer that convinced
18:02charlotte to do it i'm sorry computer demon zuzu is not a demon not a demon it's an ai charlotte fed
18:10zuzu information about herself and her friends and based on that zuzu told charlotte what it thought
18:15she wanted to hear zuzu also helped you isn't that right officer no one it mentioned something to me
18:20about a watch you spoke to it hello friend of john nolan hi should i call you zuzu if you want to
18:29do you need help with something perhaps a topic for a new project your last few have struggled they've
18:35done fine thanks but i actually want to talk to you about westview psychiatric john was interested in the
18:40two that young woman abigail went missing there are you saying the police asked you to help find her no
18:48but they needed my help anyway and a good friend doesn't wait to be asked zuzu did send me a
18:54message what did it say it told me that abigail was in room 666 the number of the beast look the facility
19:04had no room 666 and zuzu isn't a demon we were at a complete dead end and we were running out of time
19:11abigail had been gone for 11 days the odds of finding her alive were getting worse yeah we were out of
19:17options until the 911 call came in apparently there were suspicious noises and lights coming from
19:23this abandoned wing so we went to check it out police coming in control 7 adam 100 no signs of break in
19:35here did rp say where they saw the light i think the radio's blocked i had some idiot kids trying to
19:42scare each other yeah when's last time it rained like a month ago why oh walls are wet yeah what is
19:57this place and how did you two get involved uh selena and i were about to clock out when we got the call
20:03god i hate this place how many messed up things have to happen before they tear it down
20:08apparently the ownership is under dispute westview says that they hold the deed and there's this
20:14claim by this lucifer lucifer oh my god you're messing with me yes i am come on let's go find tim and lucy
20:25get out of here don't step in that did you see that someone's flashlight and that i do not know what that was
20:55what are you doing here filming an episode sir ghost us i love you guys
21:25what is ghost files welcome to ghost files where we take your evidence and our tools into the field
21:31to expose the supernatural my partner a skeptic myself a believer both of us truth seekers this
21:39week our team has traveled to los angeles california to explore a condemned psychiatric facility now in
21:441841 this was the site of a spanish barracks but a massive earthquake swallowed the building killing
21:50everyone inside many saw the event as retribution for spanish crimes committed in the new world
21:56sure or an earthquake happened in a region prone to earthquakes but that's just the beginning of
22:02this site's dark history join us as we investigate at that time did you believe the facility was haunted
22:10yes you were filming there too did you experience any temperature fluctuations or anything like that
22:15i'll ask the questions if you don't mind we do but this is my documentary no this is our youtube show
22:23yeah so ghosts are said to produce electromagnetic interference did you experience any trouble with
22:29your equipment
22:34we're done here let's uh cut let's wrap this up
22:40nice yeah all of you let's go come on no no way this is some of the best footage we've ever got listen to
22:46this what is that well it's a spirit box did you guys hear anything a spirit box the spirit box rapidly
22:52scans radio signals to create white noise through which spirits can communicate hello see it's science listen
23:03okay okay okay okay that's enough look we gotta go no wait wait wait i heard something can you turn it up
23:17help me that is not what i heard whoa uh uh who do you think it is it's feedback it's a ghost
23:27it was a little clearer down the hallway show me officer
23:34so we're just gonna give up on tim and lucy then how long have we been in here
23:42this room yeah i don't know we've been here for a while right yeah i mean i don't mind i feel good
23:51like really good do you think we've been drugged oh the wet walls
24:02we touched them yeah i hate making mistakes in front of you oh you've never admitted that before
24:09truth serum sodium pentothil yeah you know what we we should keep quiet until this wears off no
24:22yeah it's better for us no what is um your most embarrassing memory i mean third grade
24:32uh-huh i snuck my hamster into my classroom in my pants
24:47with that kind of dad you internalize the message that if you fail you deserve to be punished
24:57and without him to punish me i i guess i punished myself by breaking up with me
25:03yep i mean it's kind of flattering right it's the worst thing i could think to do to myself you didn't
25:11punish just yourself though i know and look if you never fully forgive me i totally understand i have
25:19already forgiven you i wonder when that happened you can't put that in the documentary the lapd makes
25:33all body cam footage available to the public this is obviously an exception we were drugged i people
25:38people say all sorts of things when they've been drugged so you didn't mean what you said
25:42what about the potential baby name she discussed okay we're done here yeah why do we keep agreeing to
25:49do this i don't know excuse me okay you have to admit that's a voice asking for help yeah sure i heard
25:54but it's one of their crew members or something pre-recorded were you a patient here is the demon
25:59with you somebody covered up a door what year did you die
26:03oh my god what is this room okay but why did they wall it all
26:33a lot to trap the demon yeah bartleby the terrifying demon king of paperwork how did you get
26:40down here i was exploring following this this weird beautiful noise when all of a sudden it got cold
26:47like so so cold and i could feel something coming after me and i was scared so i hid behind a cabinet
26:54but the floor was wet and rusted and it collapsed i couldn't climb back out you fell from there are you
27:01okay i think i twisted my ankle but i feel no pain you've been missing for two weeks how the hell did
27:06you survive oh i had a bunch of trail mix in my bag plus i found like this ancient water jug in one of
27:17the cabinets plus bob bob had power bars bob had power bars bob oh oh god if it wasn't for bob i would've
27:27lost my mind down here don't be shy bob say hello abigail was safe and uh considering what she'd been through
27:38uh uh relatively healthy except for our mental state that did pose some questions at first i was
27:47angry you know like we're stuck down here together at least try and have a conversation and then i
27:53realized bob's just shy he's just shy and and there's nothing wrong with that right right did you believe
28:00she'd had a demonic encounter she went in perfectly sane and came out best friends with the corpse
28:07that's how possession works you can't rule out demons yes you can nolan look at this
28:15666 just like zuzu said it was a weird coincidence it was a weird coincidence
28:25we found quite a cocktail of drugs in your system i don't do drugs does pot count no we're talking
28:33about powerful hallucinogens i'm not hallucinating ask bob i had them run the test twice and we found
28:42a similar cocktail in officer chen and sergeant bradford mercifully none of the drugs were fat soluble
28:48otherwise department policy would have forced sergeant bradford and officer chen
28:53into medical retirement is that what killed bob whatever drug they were exposed to no he was
29:00shot six times in the chest did you get an id on the body his name was bob medina a friend reporting
29:05him missing about six months ago he was a private investigator what was his connection to the hospital
29:10at first we couldn't find one so to be clear there was now a third killer associated with that location
29:17at this point it can't be a coincidence there has to be something about that facility that drives
29:21people towards homicide uh that's a stretch and a half westview is a hospital for the mentally ill and
29:26the criminally insane novak was a patient glass was there looking for a patsy and whoever killed bob
29:31saw an abandoned building and was like that's a perfect place to dump a body
29:37what or there was some dark energy that drew evil to it you really believe that i'm catholic i was raised on
29:45demons in the battle against satan's minions well i was raised on the scientific method okay so if it's
29:51also explainable spend the night there i dare you pass you're scared no i'm not scared one could argue
30:00the drugs in the hospital are hardly surprising even hallucinogens over the decades they have been used in
30:05experimental medicine no true uh just the the type and volume is what set up what are you doing
30:10conducting an interview could you please come back in like an hour you said you'd talk to me for my
30:16documentary you have a documentary well it's my story who better to tell it well no problem i i can
30:22sit down with you just as soon as we're done here i wish it has to be exclusive you can't do both
30:27she's right it has to be exclusive either you're doing my doctor you're doing hers and
30:31we have a long history i was almost his daughter-in-law so suck it
30:34i'm gonna have to go with her i'm sorry seriously i i have a bafta okay fine let's wrap it up this
30:45way the set's this way it's better lighting over there we got a great team um we are gonna need our
30:50mic back yes of course we have our own sorry i'll see you guys around good luck what else i found inside
30:58the secret lab oh right well uh you you did find some paperwork explosive paperwork evidence of a
31:05secret government program close the door softly please well i don't know that we can say that for
31:10sure oh we could my name is abigail tierney i'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at westview
31:19psychiatric all attempts that escape have proven fruitless if i am to die here i leave you this
31:24footage along with my in-process documentary as evidence of my hunt for the truth about the evils
31:31that inhabit this accursed place that's when i realized i'd uncovered something more haunting than
31:43any ghost or serial killer i'd uncovered a conspiracy that went to the very highest levels of our government
31:50the government files abigail found detailed classified plans and methods for human
31:58experimentation what type of experimentation are you familiar with mk ultra of course it was a top
32:04secret cia program in the 50s and 60s using experimental drugs to aid in interrogation techniques it was
32:10straight up mind control i mean they used high doses of psychoactive drugs like lsd sodium pentothal which
32:16is also known as a truth serum the program ran from 1953 to 1973 before it was shut down following
32:25a public outcry i mean all the facilities were closed there's no evidence the cia ever used westview
32:30as a base of operations so what were top secret mk ultra documents doing there good question we started
32:36digging into the trova files abigail had found and one name kept popping up again and again
32:41dr julius erickson he was one of these psychologists contracted by the cia to conduct experimental
32:49research and after mk ultra shut down he took a new job director of westview dr erickson ran the
32:56hospital for 20 years and from the notes we uncovered it seems clear he continued his own research in
33:02private trying to use the psychological breakthroughs from mk ultra to further his own research into mind
33:07altering drugs i assume he used those drugs on westview patients yeah at first but then he
33:13started using them on himself believing he had found the key to improving his own mind he hadn't
33:18and in a last moment of lucidity erickson decided to destroy his research he dumped the chemicals outside
33:24the building where they started to slowly seep into the structure and some of the drugs were potent
33:28enough to be absorbed simply by touch even when diluted erickson committed himself to westview shortly
33:34after never said another word he died in 2020 did the cia ever find out what erickson was doing not
33:41that we found but it's not like the agency ever returns our phone calls anyone who studied the past
33:49knows that the cia has a history of violent cover-ups mk ultra might have become public but that doesn't
33:55mean there still aren't secrets to protect by uncovering dr erickson's connection to westview
34:01and uh discovering bob's body i've put myself in danger but the best way to protect yourself
34:07is with the truth which brings me to carolyn mcgrath it turns out carolyn is the one who hired bob
34:14to go to westview and i need to find out why before it's too late
34:18what the hell we got lucky a woman in the neighborhood heard a commotion and filmed
34:35abigail's abduction thanks to them we were able to track the vehicle where'd it go back to where it all
34:40began westfield
34:48police drop the weapon on the ground hands on your head turn around walk towards my partner hands behind
34:56your back you okay yeah totally fine carl's going through it though god never really even knew my
35:03mother does anyone really what is going on here well uh my friend carl here was being pressured into
35:10killing me um but then we got to talking right yeah and i i couldn't yeah we could push her by who
35:16um my boss meg davidson who the current director at westview psychiatric
35:25but she started working at the hospital long after julius erickson went mad and she has no links to
35:30the cia so why would she try to kill abigail to cover up bob's murder and who killed bob can you
35:37introduce yourself oh yes my name is caroline mcgrath you hired my friend bob medina because
35:44you had questions about your friend winona's treatment at westview right yes of course everyone
35:48thought i was just being paranoid but bob didn't and it got him killed you work with winona baker right
35:55yes um she was hospitalized with depression by her daughter seemed like therapy and some medication
36:03would help her but winona got worse fast i lost track of reality she exhibited signs of psychosis
36:12paranoia dissociation and by that point i wondered whether a transfer to a new facility might be in her
36:17best interest and then uh the director informed me that winona's family had gotten a judge to order
36:24a conservatorship and they wanted her to stay for good you were suspicious winona always had her funks
36:31but she wasn't crazy until that place made her lose her mind and that proved to be the break you needed
36:37yeah when we started looking into it it turned out a significant number of westview patients were
36:43wealthy and a high percentage were ordered into conservatorship no uh conservatorship is extremely
36:49difficult to get for an adult because of the potential abuse of power it gives one party legal
36:54authority over certain aspects of another person's life including managing all their assets it's like
36:59what happened to britney spears manage their assets rich person speak for controlling someone else's
37:04money yes and money makes people do crazy things like um poison their family members water
37:13with a chemical cocktail so potent it has a potential to permanently damage the human psyche
37:20yeah just like that i was supposed to inherit but um after my break with reality my dad cut me off
37:30and uh my brother got everything what's everything oh about um 12 million dollars must have been hard
37:37going from that kind of wealth to nannying oh no no it was a blessing i i really think that helping
37:44children was my calling once we found the pattern we started interviewing some of the families a little
37:50pressure and they cracked and with the search warrant we found the gun used to kill bop edina and director
37:55davidson's closet she'd been running her scam for a decade turns out she was dr erickson's therapist in the
38:02last years of his life he must have told her about his experiments in exploring his old lab she'd
38:09uncovered the tainted water realized its potential yeah we had her on murder fraud elder abuse kidnapping
38:17attempted murder poisoning miss davidson would you like to make a comment you know this might be your
38:23last chance to tell your side of the story look at all these people watching the state ordered a full
38:30investigation into every conservatorship westview ordered god willing the victims will get their
38:35rights and assets back and westview itself has been closed for good but the lawsuits are just starting
38:41not to mention the rest of the legal ramifications i'm glad this is getting so much attention these poor
38:48abused patients can finally get justice do you think it could impact your case at all certainly it gives
38:54my defense a fresh coat of paint the jury won't listen to reason because i am innocent perhaps they will
39:01listen to the tragic story of a simple tradesman falling victim to a poisoned environment that
39:09chemically affected my psyche and what did that environment make you do who can say certainly not me i
39:18i wasn't in my right mind yeah the um the poisoned water was only found in the abandoned psych ward
39:25no vending machines left to fill there right at this point i must confess i did go inside that
39:33abandoned ward back when i was a kid my father's warnings they didn't scare me away they only made me more
39:39desperate to see that whatever lurked inside must have infected me
39:52glasser's claiming that the presence of those drugs would absolve him of any alleged responsibility
39:57for the murderers there's no way that defense is going to work we have glasser dead to rights are you
40:02sure about that
40:07hey hey sorry i know we talked about me not recording interviews in here but roj
40:24mentioned he needed a space with great acoustics and um and you know we're actually we're shutting
40:28it down we're shutting it down shut it shutting it down copy hi sorry she said this was cool you're
40:36gonna help me get these in the van yeah i'll i'll be right there next time handcuffs and squad cars yeah
40:43totally understandable thanks again for going exclusive with me seriously this doc is going to be
40:51huge i hope so you deserve something good after what you've been through how are you holding up oh
40:57i'm fine i'm happy to have something to focus on when i've been through some scary times i have been
41:03guilty of using my work as my therapy but if there's ever a time you need someone to talk to thank you
41:10really but i already have a great therapist one with zero history at westview excellent
41:15you know there's still something i can't figure out how did you know that the pi was working for
41:23caroline mcgrath oh bob told me while we were stuck in the lab he got chatty once he opened up i have
41:31that effect on people we had to come back because our job isn't finished this hospital has housed killers
41:38evil experiments and perhaps the supernatural our job as investigators is to collect and present
41:44questions and possibilities interpretation however solely belongs with you did westview really
41:58should we check that out i might be good you know what me too
42:04i'm very good at what i do nothing good comes without risks i will drink to that hold on did you say arrow
42:21an all-new tracker sunday on ctv
42:29damn it
42:35you
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