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Murder at the Post Office - Season 1 Episode 1 -
The Hunt for a Killer
The Hunt for a Killer
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02:00The husband of North Yorkshire postmistress, Diana Garbutt, has been charged with her murder.
02:05Robin was devoted to her. She was his world.
02:09People do believe that the police don't get it wrong, and the police do get it wrong.
02:17Robin Garbutt continues to claim he's the victim of a robbery and now the victim of a miscarriage of justice.
02:24Lawyers for a former sub-postmaster from North Yorkshire are seeking a fresh appeal after arguing that the inquiry into the post office IT scandal shed new light on his case.
02:33I looked at the statements from the post office officials and immediately I said,
02:37Well, hang on a minute. In my opinion, there's another side to this story.
02:42The information created by the Horizon system should not be used in any criminal case.
02:49Hundreds of sub-postmasters were wrongly convicted of stealing from the post office.
02:54Robin Garbutt may be the most egregious miscarriage of justice stemming from the post office scandal.
03:00With your honor's leave, I call the witness, Robin Garbutt.
03:24Robin Garbutt met Diana in 1999.
03:40The couple moved together to buy and run the Melsenby shop and post office near Richmond, North Yorkshire, in March 2003.
03:50It was a joint idea to buy the post office.
03:54We were engaged and planning our wedding.
03:58I worked a tremendous amount of hours.
04:01Diana didn't work nine to five either.
04:04We wanted a business where we could be together.
04:15Melsenby is a lovely village.
04:18It's a lovely place to live.
04:20The post office was the hub.
04:24It was the community, conversation, catching up, finding out what was going on.
04:29That was where it was, where it happened.
04:31When Robin and I moved to the village, obviously it was a bit of a thing.
04:38Oh, we've got new post office people, wonder what they're like, are they going to change anything, you know, are they going to get involved with the village?
04:46I met them and they were a very good couple, laughing, just like any other couple, the banter.
04:57It's settled in really well.
05:00Robin just has a knack of getting on with anybody.
05:03We built up a friendship quite quickly.
05:08And I used to go around to the shop most nights when I got home from work.
05:13Yeah, it was a bit of a standing joke, really, because if I didn't know where he was, he was always in the shop, sat on the stool talking to Robin.
05:20We'd just chat and people would come and go, and so you'd have a little bit of conversation with them as they came in and out of the shop as well.
05:29So, yeah, it was good.
05:32They fitted into our crowd really well.
05:36Robin's sense of humour was really good.
05:40We were all very close friends, going to each other's houses.
05:45You know, we'd go down to the pub.
05:47Robin might leave early, leave and die in the pub.
05:49She didn't go to bed early or anything.
05:52She wasn't there first thing in the morning when I went to work.
05:55She wasn't... She never got up early.
05:58She never came downstairs very early at all.
06:09And you're in, what's the address of the emergency?
06:12It's the call shop to East Road, Melton Bay.
06:16The wife's been attacked.
06:17She's been attacked?
06:18Is the attacker still nearby?
06:20No, no, no, no, he's gone.
06:22Were there any weapons involved or mentioned?
06:25I think the guy with me, he had a gun and he said to me...
06:29He had a gun, sir?
06:31The guy with me said he had a gun and he said, don't be stupid, we've got your wife.
06:37She's gone, I'll come upstairs.
06:40Has your wife been shot?
06:42I don't think, I don't know, I would have hit a gun.
06:44I don't know.
06:45You don't know what's happening, that's fine, sir.
06:49She's dead, she's not moving at all, I'm telling you.
06:52Right, OK.
06:52She's gone.
06:53Sir, is there any way you can pull her arm?
06:56We need to get her flat on her back.
06:58I'll pull the phone down, yeah?
07:00Yep, yep, that's fine, I'll stay on the phone.
07:02Good.
07:02Here you go, Ty.
07:04Here you go, Ty.
07:05Oh!
07:06Oh!
07:06Oh!
07:07Oh!
07:09Oh!
07:12Oh!
07:13You're doing really well, sir.
07:15Oh!
07:15Oh!
07:16It's blood everywhere, the stairs are terrible.
07:20We're on the way to you as an emergency now.
07:22I was a traffic constable based at Richmond.
07:30I was on duty alone on March the 23rd
07:32when a report came in of an attack at Nelson B. Post Office.
07:38I came off the A66 and drove down Moore Road.
07:42I saw nothing that caused me any concern.
07:45There were several members of the public in the area.
07:48On arrival, the front door of the post office appeared to be locked.
07:51I went round to the rear of the property.
07:54The door was open.
07:56I went up the stairs.
07:58Ambulance crews were close behind.
08:00I stopped at the door and the ambulance man went in.
08:05Please help.
08:06Sir, could you come back to the telephone for me?
08:09Here, the ambulance.
08:12All right.
08:13All right, come on.
08:13This is Diana.
08:15What's that thing?
08:16What are you doing?
08:17Have you had a robbery?
08:18And, uh...
08:19The traffic people said, uh...
08:22Um, do you think so big?
08:24Oh, we've got your wife.
08:25Yeah, I don't know.
08:26I don't know what you're hearing.
08:28How long is it going like this?
08:29I've only...
08:29I've only just, uh...
08:30Cooked that, uh...
08:32Five, ten minutes.
08:33Sit up on three, five, ten minutes.
08:35I don't know if she's...
08:36I don't know if she's...
08:38I've never heard my guns.
08:39Is she all right?
08:41All right.
08:42Tell me, tell me, tell me.
08:43Tell me.
08:43P.C. Marlowe had arrived moments before me.
08:52I made notes later on on when I took Mr. Garbutt downstairs to the kitchen.
08:57I gave Mr. Garbutt some water.
09:00The neighbor, Mrs. Dye, was there.
09:03I asked for descriptions.
09:05We needed information to catch the assailant.
09:09Mr. Garbutt said he got up at about 4 a.m.
09:12He opened the shop at 4.30 and brought in the papers.
09:18The first customer was at 4.45.
09:23Mr. Garbutt waited for the safe to open at 8.30.
09:30At around 8.30 a.m., he became aware of man in shop.
09:38I heard the door open and saw man.
09:42He was wearing a black mask and a navy blue sweatshirt and dark jeans.
09:47He had a gun down to his side and a hold-all.
09:52He said,
09:53Don't do anything stupid.
09:55We've got your wife.
09:57Turn off the lights and lock the door.
09:59So I've looked out of the window.
10:11It's almost that kind of disbelief.
10:17What is going on?
10:18Why are all these vehicles here?
10:19Why are all these people invading our beautiful village?
10:25I don't know what's happening.
10:27It was an arm gray this morning, apparently.
10:28Oh, my God.
10:31That doesn't happen here, does it?
10:32Oh, crikey.
10:34Goodness me.
10:35Nobody had any answers.
10:38Nobody knew anything.
10:41Everyone was speculating about what happened.
10:43And I was like, well, who is it?
10:45We didn't even have an idea.
10:48A very small village, a couple of roads in and out.
10:51Police got there very quickly.
10:53But in that time before ourselves and the paramedics got there,
10:55somebody must have seen something.
10:57There's not a lot of traffic there.
10:58There's a lot of people going into the shop,
11:00but there's not a lot of vehicular traffic.
11:01So we're hoping that somebody did see something.
11:05We were just on tenterhooks all day.
11:09And eventually, in the afternoon,
11:12they came and told us all
11:15that I had been killed.
11:23And I just remember dropping to the floor.
11:25And crying and just saying,
11:29no, you know, this isn't happening.
11:32How on earth do you
11:34even start to begin to,
11:37you know, to come to terms with that, you know?
11:41She was one of my closest friends.
11:45She can't be dead, you know?
11:47She couldn't be dead.
11:48What on earth was happening, you know?
11:52I'm sad, very, very sad.
11:54Very well-known and very well-liked.
11:58Very well-liked.
12:00Everybody likes them.
12:01Yeah.
12:04Just can't believe it, you know?
12:06We're just a little tiny village.
12:09It's just horrible.
12:10I just don't know what he'll do.
12:11He absolutely adored her.
12:14Absolutely.
12:14It was just shock.
12:19And the first thing you sort of think,
12:21is Robin okay as well?
12:23Where is he?
12:24Where was he?
12:25What happened?
12:26You know, you have no answers.
12:27The first thing he said to me,
12:36straight away, was,
12:39he said,
12:40don't do anything stupid,
12:42we've got your wife.
12:44And he said,
12:46turn the lights off
12:47and lock the door.
12:49He handed me a black hole door
12:55and he said,
12:57put the money in the bag,
12:59I think,
12:59I'll put the money from the safe,
13:00put the money in the bag,
13:01I think he said.
13:03I went down,
13:04I put the money in the,
13:05put the money in the hole door,
13:10handed him the bag,
13:13I think he said,
13:13stay there.
13:14He just walked out
13:19and I heard the,
13:22the front door open,
13:28making sure I,
13:29you know,
13:30just thinking.
13:32And I went,
13:34to some of that,
13:34I thought,
13:35sod it,
13:35and I went straight upstairs
13:36and I just,
13:38put my head in the ice bedroom,
13:42all the room,
13:42and,
13:43sod I,
13:45sod I,
13:45sod the bread.
13:47Police in North Yorkshire,
13:48investigating the murder
13:49of a postmistress,
13:51say they're searching
13:51for an armed robber
13:52who broke into her shop
13:54and killed her.
13:55The morning of the 23rd of March,
13:58my sister rang
13:59to say
14:00there's been something
14:01on the radio
14:02about a incident
14:04in Melzenby.
14:06Mrs Garbutt's husband,
14:07Robin,
14:07has told detectives
14:08that he opened up
14:09the post office
14:10for business
14:10at 4.30
14:11and was disturbed
14:12by a robber
14:13who was brandishing a gun.
14:15It was just unbelievable.
14:18And then these two
14:19plainclothes officers
14:21came and said
14:22there'd been an incident
14:23and that,
14:26I think they said
14:27die had been murdered.
14:28I can't really remember,
14:29it was so hard,
14:30was that time,
14:30I was so shocked
14:31at knowing,
14:32thinking how Robin was
14:34and what had happened to die,
14:36I just couldn't
14:37take it in, really.
14:38When Robin and I grew up,
14:43we're only a year
14:44and a month apart.
14:47We were real close,
14:48we did everything together,
14:49we had a real happy childhood.
14:52Robin was always spoiled,
14:54in my opinion anyway.
14:55He always got away
14:56with everything
14:57and he was always
14:58mischievous
14:59and he was always
15:00the naughty one.
15:01but he's sort of
15:05a real,
15:05um,
15:07calm,
15:08quiet,
15:10caring person.
15:14Soon as he met die,
15:16he fell in love
15:16straight away.
15:18It was love
15:18at first sight.
15:22Robin was devoted to her.
15:24He absolutely
15:25just loved
15:26everything about her.
15:28She was his number one
15:29priority in life.
15:30As long as die was happy,
15:32Robin was happy,
15:34she was his world.
15:36Mr. Garver
15:37is distraught
15:38in relation
15:39to what's happening.
15:40Um,
15:40he has helped us
15:41from the start
15:42of the inquiry
15:42and provided us
15:43with information
15:43and we'll do everything
15:45that we can to support him
15:46throughout this investigation.
15:48I can't imagine
15:50what he saw
15:51and I can't imagine
15:52how it affected him.
15:56The way die was to him,
15:58he'll have been
15:58underneath.
16:00a broken man.
16:21Diana is my first cousin.
16:22Our mother is her sisters
16:25and she's the same age
16:28as me
16:29by a couple of months
16:30and, uh, yeah,
16:32we were close.
16:36I remember
16:37we had a phone call
16:38from my mum
16:39to say that
16:40Diana's been shot.
16:43It's been a robbery.
16:44Diana's been shot.
16:45So, my probably optimistic
16:49brain is saying,
16:51well, you don't always die
16:53when you get shot.
16:55The gun's gone off
16:56but
16:56you can't imagine
16:58that somebody's
16:58been killed, you know.
17:02So, obviously,
17:02it came clear
17:03within an hour or two
17:04that she'd actually died.
17:05and I was just
17:09devastated.
17:12Later on,
17:12we found out that
17:13she'd been
17:14hit on the head
17:15from behind.
17:18More than likely
17:19that she was asleep
17:20at the time.
17:23Couldn't think of anything worse.
17:25I remember watching it
17:30sort of
17:31unfold on the news
17:33and I just remember
17:34sitting in the kitchen
17:35just watching it
17:36over and over
17:37and over
17:37again
17:38and, um,
17:41just trying to
17:43just trying to
17:44process it
17:45and
17:45just remembering that
17:47you know,
17:48it was devastating
17:49for everybody
17:50but
17:50just knowing
17:52how close
17:53Dad was
17:54with Diana
17:55it was, like,
17:58grieving on his part
18:00as well.
18:01You know,
18:02he was just...
18:13Diana had some
18:14difficulties
18:14in her life
18:15to deal with.
18:18Diana's dad
18:20was American.
18:22They lived in
18:22Virginia.
18:24He died
18:25in a car accident.
18:28Yeah.
18:28She was just a kid
18:29when that happened.
18:33She finished school
18:34and then
18:34she went off
18:35to the army.
18:37She was quite proud.
18:38She was driving
18:38lorries
18:39and, um,
18:40you know,
18:41she's like a tomboy
18:42then, you'd say.
18:43You know,
18:43she was proud
18:43that she could
18:44drive a lorry
18:44and, yeah,
18:46she could look
18:47after herself.
18:48She was, um,
18:49she fitted in
18:50the army,
18:50I think.
18:51You know,
18:54it was said
18:55in court
18:55that Diana
18:56had suffered
18:57abuse in her life
18:58but she'd got over
19:01what she needed to
19:02and she was happy.
19:05She was a tough nut
19:07and she suffered
19:09the most, um,
19:10cowardly act.
19:12You know,
19:14being murdered
19:15while you're asleep
19:16is the most
19:18cowardly act,
19:19isn't it?
19:24She was really strong
19:25but she was also
19:26quite vulnerable.
19:30I feel
19:31she needed
19:32that person
19:33that was
19:34for her.
19:35Yeah.
19:36I'm not sure
19:36in her life
19:37she'd had a lot
19:38of that,
19:39just her,
19:39her being special.
19:41She'd had a lot
19:41of upset in her life.
19:43Upset in her take, yeah.
19:43And she needed
19:44that love
19:45that he wanted
19:46to give somebody
19:47and I think
19:48because he gave her that
19:50she felt secure
19:51so they sort of
19:52both
19:53needed each other
19:54for different reasons.
19:56They were very close
19:58as a couple.
20:00No kids, you see,
20:01so they just
20:01had each other.
20:03For as long as I know
20:04she had a little
20:05teddy bear,
20:06little Ted,
20:07and it had
20:07its own little
20:08passport,
20:09it had its own
20:09little chair.
20:11It was like
20:11her baby
20:12because sometimes
20:14I think she
20:14used to feel
20:15she had to be strong
20:16and people
20:18I think over the time
20:19had made her like that.
20:21She didn't show
20:21her emotions
20:22but then she came
20:23across Robin
20:23and he was
20:24a completely
20:25different person
20:26altogether
20:26so I think
20:27the vulnerable
20:27side came out.
20:33This village post office
20:35at Meltonby
20:35in North Yorkshire
20:36is tonight
20:36the subject
20:37of a major
20:38criminal investigation.
20:40Inside the body
20:41of the postmistress
20:42Diane Garbutt
20:43is still being examined
20:44by a home office
20:45pathologist.
20:46Police have yet
20:46to establish
20:47how exactly
20:48she died.
20:50I do remember
20:51that night
20:52my kids
20:53being so scared
20:54that there was
20:55a murderer
20:56in the village
20:57because if they
20:59hadn't caught him
21:00where was he?
21:01Was he still here?
21:02Was he, you know,
21:03who was he going
21:04to go to next?
21:07The incident
21:08has stunned Meltonby.
21:09People have been
21:09standing around
21:10in disbelief
21:11all day.
21:12Police CSI
21:13investigation team
21:14is still at the scene
21:14and the postmaster
21:15is still being questioned
21:17by the police.
21:23The post office
21:24was the crime scene
21:25and so Robin
21:25came to us
21:26getting back to our house
21:28at about 10.30 at night.
21:29He was, like,
21:35emotionally exhausted.
21:37That's what he was,
21:38wasn't he?
21:38Yeah, definitely.
21:38He was broken
21:39because he'd lost her
21:41and he couldn't...
21:43You know,
21:44the dealing with it,
21:46knowing he'd lost her,
21:48was just so much
21:50for him, wasn't it,
21:50that he had to be quiet.
21:53He couldn't...
21:53Yeah.
21:53He couldn't give
21:55any more, could he?
21:56Oh.
21:56Police divers
22:00have been called in
22:01to help
22:01with the investigation
22:02into the death
22:03of a postmistress
22:04in North Yorkshire.
22:05Today, as well
22:06as stop checks,
22:07they're continuing
22:08to do a forensic examination
22:10of the village shop
22:11and post office
22:12as well as
22:13door-to-door inquiries
22:15as there's set to be
22:16a police presence here
22:18for some time to come.
22:20We never locked our doors,
22:21never locked our cars.
22:23But you started
22:25to feel very uneasy.
22:27It did make you think,
22:28you know,
22:28would they come back again?
22:31It was absolutely terrifying.
22:33This isn't something
22:34that happens in Melsenby.
22:36This is something
22:36that I have never,
22:38ever experienced,
22:39even slightly.
22:42I'd like to reinforce
22:43the importance
22:44of providing
22:45North Yorkshire police
22:46with information
22:47to enable us
22:48to bring Diana's killer
22:49to justice.
22:50We would still like
22:52to hear from anyone
22:53who was in the village
22:53between 8am and 9am
22:56on Tuesday morning
22:57last week
22:58who has not already
22:59come forward.
23:01Diana's husband
23:02and family
23:02are distraught
23:03and continue
23:04to receive support
23:05from North Yorkshire police
23:06at this very difficult time.
23:09We are determined
23:10to bring Diana's killers
23:11to justice,
23:12but we need the assistance
23:13of members of the public
23:14to help us do this.
23:16I remember the police
23:17coming one day
23:18and asking Robin,
23:19would you be prepared
23:19to do an appeal
23:20on behalf
23:21of what was happening
23:22and what was going on?
23:23But Robin was so,
23:24I think he was so
23:25emotionally drained
23:27and physically drained,
23:28he's just,
23:29I just can't do it.
23:30I just cannot do it.
23:31And anyway,
23:32they tried him again
23:32the following day,
23:33he said,
23:33no,
23:34he said,
23:35I just can't.
23:36I can't do it.
23:37I know I can't do it.
23:38We're nearly ready,
23:41but when you come in,
23:41fuse it in this one.
23:43I know if Michael
23:43can sit next to you
23:44or whatever else,
23:45fine.
23:46Three days after
23:47her daughter Diana
23:48was murdered,
23:49today,
23:50Agnes Gaylor
23:50braved the cameras
23:51for an emotional appeal
23:53to try and catch her killer.
23:54I'm here today
24:12to appeal to anyone watching,
24:15reading,
24:15or listening.
24:17If you have any information
24:18which may help
24:20the police catch
24:21the person
24:21who brutally murdered
24:22my wonderful daughter Diana,
24:25to please come forward
24:26with that information.
24:29For the last few years
24:30while she's lived
24:30at the post office,
24:31while she's been married
24:32to Robin,
24:34is the happiest
24:35I've ever seen Diana.
24:37She was content.
24:39She loved her life.
24:42She didn't deserve
24:44to be taken like this.
24:45Nobody does,
24:46but she of all people
24:47did not deserve
24:49to be taken this way.
24:51Thank you, Alice,
24:51so much.
24:54I knew how much
24:56Robin was hurting
24:58because of Di.
25:00That would be the only thing
25:01that was keeping him going
25:01is to try and find
25:03that person that's done it.
25:05If he gave enough information
25:06and talked about it enough
25:07and told them everything,
25:09they would then go out there,
25:10find that person,
25:11and then he could then think,
25:13well, I can now try and
25:14mend myself.
25:21On the 14th of April,
25:23we came down for breakfast.
25:26We were sat at the kitchen table
25:28and I looked up.
25:31I said,
25:31there's some police fans
25:32coming in.
25:34So anyway,
25:34knock on the door
25:35and two came in
25:36and said,
25:37could Robin come
25:38into the front room?
25:40And I just thought
25:40they were coming
25:41just to say
25:42they'd found somebody.
25:43and then they came
25:45and they had him handcuffed.
25:48I started to cry
25:49and he said,
25:49don't panic,
25:50I'll just keep calm.
25:51It's all right.
25:52Don't worry about it.
25:53I'll be fine.
25:54And I said,
25:55what are they doing,
25:55Rob?
25:55What are they doing?
25:56He said,
25:56they've arrested me.
25:57Not real,
25:58was it?
25:58No, yeah.
25:59It was like it was a film.
26:00It wasn't happening to you.
26:02It was like,
26:03well,
26:03it can't be right.
26:05First North Yorkshire.
26:06Police there
26:07say they have arrested
26:08a man
26:08in connection
26:09with the murder
26:10and suspected robbery.
26:12Robin Garbutt
26:13is in custody tonight,
26:15arrested
26:15in connection
26:16with Diana Garbutt's murder
26:18and suspected robbery.
26:20That piece of news
26:22was possibly
26:24the worst piece of news
26:26I'd ever, ever been told.
26:28And
26:28it just did not ring true.
26:32It was
26:32unfathomable.
26:35He would never do that.
26:36He would never
26:37lay a finger on her.
26:40We were like,
26:43what?
26:43Why?
26:44How?
26:46What's giving them
26:47the thought
26:47that he's done it?
26:49And it was like,
26:50well,
26:50they'll soon realise
26:51it's not him.
26:53They'll soon realise.
26:57I'd lost
26:58a friend
26:58in Di.
27:01And then
27:02my friend
27:03is about to be,
27:03who's her husband,
27:05is about to be
27:06charged with her murder.
27:07It's just,
27:09it's crazy.
27:10It's really,
27:11really hard to comprehend.
27:12So,
27:13I really,
27:14really struggled.
27:17Robin has been arrested,
27:19so he's obviously
27:19a suspect.
27:21It's just all
27:22unbelievable.
27:25You can't imagine
27:26that somebody's capable
27:27of killing their wife
27:27when there's been
27:29no conflict.
27:30She didn't seem
27:31to be vulnerable
27:32living with Robin.
27:34He was just
27:35a nice,
27:36quiet fella.
27:37Friendly with everybody,
27:38do you know?
27:45Today,
27:46Garvard was charged
27:47with murdering his wife
27:48on the 23rd of March.
27:51Magistrates remanded
27:52him in custody
27:53to appear
27:53at Teesside Crown Court
27:55on April the 20th.
27:56It was very quick.
28:00Robin pleaded
28:00not guilty
28:01and then he was
28:02taken away.
28:03But he did
28:04see us
28:05and he did know
28:06that we were there.
28:08We just
28:09wanted him to know
28:10that we were all
28:11there for him.
28:15He didn't cry
28:16in court.
28:18He just looked
28:18shell-shocked.
28:19We were all
28:23in agreement
28:25that he hadn't
28:25done it
28:26and we all
28:28believed that
28:29and we were
28:30going to do
28:30whatever we could
28:31to support him
28:32and make sure
28:34that, yeah,
28:35okay,
28:35he's been arrested.
28:36It doesn't mean
28:36that he's been
28:37sentenced yet.
28:39I remember
28:57the day
28:57of Diana's funeral.
29:00You know,
29:01all of us
29:01from North Wales,
29:03her family,
29:04we all went
29:04to her funeral.
29:08Yeah.
29:09Everyone,
29:11everyone was just
29:11hung.
29:18I think I was
29:19expecting him
29:20to arrive
29:21but that he
29:23might be
29:24wearing
29:25handcuffs.
29:27But to me,
29:29I don't see
29:30why that would
29:31deter you
29:31from
29:32attending
29:33your own
29:34wife's funeral.
29:35funeral,
29:36I started
29:39to wonder
29:41does that
29:44make him
29:44look more
29:45guilty
29:45or...
29:47I actually
29:49went to see
29:50Robin the day
29:50before the funeral.
29:54He said
29:55if he turned
29:56up,
29:57it would have
29:58been
29:58journalists,
30:00would have
30:00been all
30:00about him
30:01and that's
30:02what he
30:02didn't want
30:02to happen.
30:05And I
30:05asked him
30:05and I said,
30:06do you want
30:06me to do
30:06anything on
30:07your behalf
30:08tomorrow?
30:08Do you want
30:09me to lay
30:09a rose?
30:11Anything
30:11that I can
30:12do?
30:12And he
30:12just said,
30:12no,
30:13it's not
30:14about me.
30:15It's
30:16her day.
30:16Well,
30:20I would
30:21have
30:21said
30:21if I
30:23hadn't
30:23killed
30:23my wife
30:24and she
30:24was being
30:25buried
30:25and I'd
30:25just been
30:26wrongly
30:26mistaken,
30:27you know,
30:28suspected,
30:28I'd be
30:29in my
30:29wife's
30:29funeral
30:30if,
30:32you know,
30:33nothing would
30:33stop you
30:33doing that
30:34would it.
30:35But he
30:35wasn't there
30:36so that's
30:37probably
30:37the first
30:40question
30:43mark
30:43against
30:45Robin.
30:46The murder
31:05trial was
31:06actually in
31:06Middlesbrough and
31:07I'd cover the
31:07trial.
31:09It was a
31:10very big
31:10story because
31:11obviously it
31:12was a very
31:12kind of middle
31:13class area,
31:14I suppose is
31:14the best way
31:14to put it.
31:15If one thinks
31:15about Nelson
31:16being in
31:17that village
31:17he was
31:18clearly from
31:19the outset
31:20very well
31:20liked by
31:21his neighbours
31:22and it was
31:23reflected in
31:24the coverage
31:24at the time
31:25the shock
31:26at his arrest
31:27really because
31:27of his character
31:28as perceived
31:28by the locals
31:29and the neighbours.
31:32The version
31:32of events
31:33that he gave
31:33to the police
31:34obviously that
31:34had been an
31:34armed robbery
31:35and that
31:35she'd been
31:36murdered by
31:37a robber.
31:39Initially
31:39I suppose
31:40one might say
31:41you know
31:41that seemed
31:42the most
31:42plausible
31:42explanation
31:43because of
31:44his character
31:44and because
31:45of his reputation
31:46and because
31:46of his image
31:47within the
31:47community.
31:49But then
31:50the prosecution
31:50evidence is
31:51essentially that
31:52it's a crime
31:52of passion.
31:53Ladies and
31:57gentlemen
31:57behind the
31:59facade
32:00of a happy
32:01and financially
32:02comfortable
32:02couple
32:03there were
32:04problems.
32:06A welling
32:07of tension
32:07pressure
32:08and ill feeling
32:09it erupted
32:11we suggest
32:12in extreme
32:12violence
32:13in which
32:14he killed
32:15his wife.
32:23I examined
32:36the laptop.
32:37It had been
32:38used to access
32:39a dating website
32:40named Badoo.
32:42I went
32:43into the site
32:44with Diana's
32:45user details.
32:46I found
32:46messages in it.
32:48There were
32:49entries related
32:50to that site
32:50on the 22nd
32:52of March.
32:53At
32:5401.23am
32:56Sam in Leeds
32:57says hi
32:58you look pretty.
32:59At
33:0001.28am
33:01John in
33:02Middlesbrough
33:03said hello.
33:05And at
33:05one minute
33:06past midnight
33:06on the night
33:07of the murder
33:08the website
33:09was accessed.
33:11That was
33:11the last
33:12internet activity
33:13I recovered.
33:14Thank you
33:15Detective
33:16Constance.
33:18There were
33:19gasps.
33:21There's an
33:21element of
33:22shock without
33:22doubt.
33:23Obviously
33:23he was
33:23saying that
33:24they were
33:24happy and
33:24he loved
33:25her and
33:25he would
33:25never harm
33:26her.
33:26And then
33:27you had
33:27all this
33:27evidence
33:28about
33:28there
33:28not
33:28being
33:28in a happy
33:29marriage
33:29really
33:30is what
33:30it boils down to.
33:33Diana Garbert had been
33:34unfaithful and the
33:36defendant knew it.
33:37In December 2008 in
33:40Diana had sex with a man
33:43at a party while her
33:44husband slept upstairs.
33:47She had told the
33:48defendant about it.
33:49After a drunken night out
33:51he and Mrs. Garbert were
33:52left alone together
33:53downstairs and they
33:55became intimate on the
33:56sofa until Mrs. Garbert
33:58said they had to stop
33:59because of Robin.
34:01And then in 2009 there
34:03was another man, a
34:05local.
34:07Diana went on cycle
34:09rides with him, chatting
34:10with him on Facebook
34:11using her maiden name.
34:13The prosecution suggested
34:14that it was a loveless
34:15marriage, that his wife
34:16was being unfaithful and
34:18was in contact with
34:19several men either
34:19directly or through the
34:21internet.
34:22Mr. Garbert said he
34:22had no...
34:23I remember sitting in
34:24court and hearing
34:25things and thinking
34:27this didn't die.
34:29This is...
34:29Where's this come from?
34:31From what we saw, the
34:33times that we were
34:33together and everything
34:34that was a perfect
34:36relationship.
34:38The prosecution
34:39claimed Diana Garbert
34:40was a desperately
34:41unhappy woman locked in
34:43a sham marriage and a
34:44business in which she'd
34:45lost interest.
34:47Obviously as a juror
34:48if you sat there, it
34:49all starts to build up
34:49a picture, doesn't it
34:50really, in terms of
34:51potential motive for
34:52the actual attack and
34:53the murder.
34:54And none of that had
34:55been known before the
34:56opening of the
34:57prosecution case, so all
34:58of those were kind of
34:59bombshells in terms of
35:00the evidence against
35:01him.
35:06Turning to the
35:07finances.
35:09The shop brought in
35:11a modest income, but
35:12the defendant had
35:13persistent debts of
35:15£30,000.
35:23During the course of my
35:24investigation, I never
35:25came across any
35:26information that suggested
35:28there had been a robbery.
35:30In fact, I have information
35:33that strongly suggests that
35:35there couldn't have been
35:36an armed robbery.
35:39On police systems, there
35:41was already information
35:42held that raised concerns
35:45about the financial
35:46activity of robbing
35:47Garbert.
35:49I was asked to attend the
35:51crime scene with one of
35:54the search teams.
35:55this was the first time I'd
35:57ever been to the scene of a
36:00murder.
36:03We were looking for things
36:04like bank statements, credit
36:06card statements.
36:08We were looking for cash that
36:10might have been deposited
36:11around the premises.
36:14Receipts, invoices, and
36:17anything out of the ordinary.
36:19During the search, I noticed
36:22in the post office
36:23counter area, there was
36:25some kind of terminal with
36:27another device on top.
36:29And in the gap, which is
36:31only a few millimetres, there
36:34was a set of documents that
36:36had been hidden.
36:37They were credit card
36:38statements showing debt that
36:40was accumulating month on
36:42month, all held in Robin
36:45Garbert's sole name.
36:46I think it's reasonable to
36:49assume that they were placed
36:50there for a reason, and
36:51that reason was to conceal
36:53them, potentially, from
36:55Diana.
36:59Hearing what people were
37:01saying about Robin diet
37:03trial, their personal life
37:05was really difficult.
37:08It was like we were
37:09listening to two strangers.
37:12You started asking yourself
37:13questions to, well, if you're
37:16if he was in debt, would we
37:19have noticed?
37:22I vividly remember going to
37:25court that day.
37:27I was physically shaking.
37:29My hands were shaking.
37:31I did feel under a
37:33considerable amount of
37:34pressure.
37:36A bad day at the office
37:37could lead to someone getting
37:38away, potentially, with
37:39murder.
37:42Large cash payments were
37:44being made to service the
37:46debt.
37:48An audit of the account
37:49revealed large sums of cash
37:51were being transferred into
37:53the defendant's current
37:55account.
37:57When you're a financial
37:58investigator, you're working
38:00with facts.
38:02Money coming in, money going
38:04out, what are you left with at
38:06the end of the day?
38:07And I found that the amount of
38:10cash that the Garbots
38:11received was not enough to
38:14have financed the amount of
38:16cash that had been used.
38:19There must have been another
38:21source of money.
38:24Where did all the cash come
38:26from?
38:27It's not over the counter.
38:29My analysis showed that the
38:32only other identifiable source
38:34of cash was the post office.
38:39The fact is the defendant was
38:41using post office cash to fund
38:43his life, paying down debts,
38:46keeping up a lifestyle he could
38:47not otherwise afford.
38:49According to the account
38:50provided by Robin Garbott, when
38:53the armed robbers were there, he
38:55handed over to them £16,000 in
38:58a hold on.
39:00But my analysis and the
39:02financial investigation shows
39:03that that money cannot have been
39:05in the safe.
39:07There was no money there to be
39:09stolen.
39:10There had never been an armed
39:12robbery.
39:13I believe that Robin found
39:16himself in a position where he
39:18felt he had to cover up what he
39:21had done.
39:25Their main aim was to say that
39:27Robin stole from the post office.
39:29Yeah, they said that Robin had been
39:32stealing from the post office over a
39:34period of time to sustain their
39:35lifestyle.
39:36Diana had found out about it and so
39:38Robin killed her.
39:40You stole from the post office trying
39:42to give Diana a lifestyle you
39:44couldn't afford.
39:46He was paying for holidays and the
39:48run-up to the murder had been for
39:50something like seven or eight
39:51holidays, expending huge sums of money.
39:54They were about to go on a £3,000
39:55holiday to the United States, which
39:58he paid for because he was
40:01desperately trying to keep them
40:02together.
40:08The night before the murder, Mr.
40:10Garbut attempted to buy £850 of
40:13stock from a cash and carry, which
40:17resulted in a refusal of the only
40:19credit card that was available for use.
40:21While he was still out, the bank
40:27telephoned Diana.
40:28She was told the card had been
40:30refused.
40:32There'd been a call because there was
40:34a financial check on some
40:35transaction.
40:36She'd taken the call and the
40:38prosecution was suggesting that that
40:40had also been a possible subject of
40:43tension in the marriage.
40:46The perception of the Melsenby
40:48villagers of a rosy and loving
40:50relationship was far from the full
40:52picture.
40:53Here was a man with increasing debt
40:55desperately trying not to outwardly
40:58fail in his business or his
41:00marriage.
41:02The prosecution don't know what the
41:05motive was, but all these things
41:07could have played into a potential
41:09row and that may have been what
41:10happened on the night.
41:13When you've got, you know, adulterous
41:16relationships, when you've got
41:17unhappiness, when you've got
41:19financial difficulties, you've got an
41:21awful lot of pressure on a relationship
41:22there, haven't you?
41:23And all the prosecution have to do is
41:25really sow that into the minds of the
41:26jury, I think.
41:28The defendant was under very severe
41:31financial pressure.
41:33Diana's infidelity appears to have
41:35intensified.
41:36This all culminated in a welling of pressure and
41:41ill-feeling.
41:43The pressure, tension and ill-feeling erupted
41:47in extreme violence in which he killed his wife.
41:52In terms of a crime of passion, that is what you're
41:55describing.
41:56You're describing a man who had been married to
41:58somebody and had clearly been in love with her and the
42:02prosecution are outlined and how that had fallen and broken
42:05down and how it had led to the murder.
42:24Diana's body was examined by Dr. Hamilton.
42:26A post-mortem later confirmed three distinct head
42:31injuries.
42:32Blows delivered by a blunt object, likely a metal
42:35rod.
42:37The most significant was a severe fracture to the right
42:40side of the skull.
42:42The trauma caused swelling of the brain and led to rapid death.
42:48And what of the weapon?
42:49Investigators recovered several objects for analysis.
42:56Two days after the murder, a metal bar was found on a wall
43:00near Nixon's garage.
43:03They said they'd found this murder weapon.
43:06It had DNA on it.
43:09The defence counsel stands up and says, murder weapon is found
43:13and it hasn't got his DNA on it.
43:15It's got his most DNA on one end, but Robin Garberts' DNA,
43:18it wasn't on that weapon.
43:21And we thought, that's it, we're finished.
43:23We're done.
43:24He's free.
43:25Yeah.
43:27He did then start to doubt about the whole case against him,
43:29to be honest.
43:31You're looking for answers now and the list of questions
43:35is getting bigger.
43:36Not only is his DNA not on the murder weapon,
43:39but another man's DNA is on the murder weapon.
43:42That suggests straight away that there is other people
43:46involved in this.
43:48It's a twist which you just wouldn't have expected at that stage.
43:51You're not a traitor.
43:54We'll know.
44:04We'll see you next time.
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