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00:00Yes.
00:15has a lot going on the next few weeks, and we're really excited.
00:18Next week, we have a brand deal at Stagecoach.
00:21This week, we are in L.A. for some press and also a big Hulu event.
00:25And also some of the girls are trying out for Dancing with the Stars.
00:27Oh, I'm excited.
00:29jesse is meeting us here in la she was at disneyland with jordan and the kids
00:33however whitney and me are here i think we're all staying at the same hotel so i feel like
00:39attentions are high and i'm honestly not looking forward to bumping into them hi how are you good
00:45how are you doing i have a reservation for macy hi hello good how are you what's your last name
00:52matthews matthews athlete did you ask whitney if she was staying here yeah i did let me see
00:57oh you guys are still in contact yeah we're besties don't you know help nothing shocks me
01:03anymore true um actually she yeah she just texted me her room number wait what number is she can you
01:11imagine you guys are next to our neighbors stop i said that so loud good this trip will be very
01:17interesting because obviously the last couple times we've seen demi and whitney it hasn't been
01:21the best and this is the first time as a whole that we're all going to be together i did feel
01:27bad for being harsh on whitney when she was with us why are you here we're not gonna have people
01:32coming and going why are you here today what do you want dancing with the stars as the leader i feel
01:38like i should do better we do want to keep it professional but i know not everyone feels that
01:42i'm sure whitney's in her hotel room right now five six seven eight and look i'm just hoping that
01:49whitney doesn't drive like a bigger wedge and mom talks let's go see who got the best room
02:03i got everything you could ever want try me in your seat i'll bring it to your knees baby you're gonna
02:17i'm gonna believe
02:27me
02:29me
02:31me
02:37me
02:39oh
03:02this looks like a little robe i know it's so cute that's probably what it's meant to be actually
03:06oh that's so cute they're known for like their presentation here we are doing a little dinner
03:12tonight before press starts and everything gets chaotic and it honestly feels like the
03:16calm before the storm since we know we're going to be re i was going to say reconjoined rejoined
03:23you're going to be rejoined with whitney and demi again and i just feel like it's going to be chaotic
03:28oh wow what is this caesar salad caesar himself caesar himself oh guys i'm not gonna lie i'm
03:36like really excited about tomorrow and obviously like we don't know if he's gonna get the spot
03:41oh i'm dancing with the stars just the fact that it's even an opportunity is crazy growing up like
03:46i wasn't able to communicate with my mom very well and so the way that we connected was through dancing
03:52they just put an entire popcorn machine in front of you
03:54so um back to what i'm saying i'm like so yeah so about your mom so about my mom
04:03i'm just kidding
04:06oh what wait who is that marciano what what does it say he said uninvited to the function because a 30
04:16year old mormon wife scared to tell her husband the truth so marciano's supposed to be in town going
04:31to this hulu event that mom talk is also going to but according to his post he got uninvited to it
04:36i feel like demi's behind it because he is giving a little bit guilty and i feel like if marciano's not
04:42there at the hulu event she can kind of plant her story before marciano can oh my gosh this is gonna
04:50get so messy hello you look beautiful thank you you too wait i love that dress how are you good how are
05:08you i just like grabbed your food i'm like hey i missed you i know i'm a perv how was disney it was
05:14good um sorry no you're totally good did you see marciano's post you posted i died there's a lot going
05:22on i got in a little late because jordan and i actually took all of our kids to disneyland
05:28i know it's confusing that we did this as we're separated but we both decided that during this
05:33separation we want to be committed to our kids and make them feel like everything's somewhat normal
05:39and it was good but i am coming into basically a nuclear bomb that's gone off marciano and demi
05:45have had so much drama online we're going to be seeing demi and whitney today and we've only just
05:50had drama with them recently and this is the first time that mom talk as a whole is going to be together
05:55and i'm just anticipating it to be dramatic i commented on it i was like i saw yeah i wanted to
06:00comment but i was like i just i'm gonna look like a hypocrite on it did you see the fan page like reposted
06:05it and her comments on it are disgusting what is she saying the fan account posted it and then
06:09today commented she goes grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a married woman
06:14that was beyond out of their league and married with a vomit emoji the clout chasing is on another
06:19level and then she commented another time she goes also he got uninvited because he's a sexual predator
06:26that can't keep his hands to himself not because i'm hiding anything from my husband
06:29he's a gliding clout chaser at marciano rob hope your 15 minutes of fame is worth it you're pathetic
06:35is she for real i can't people see how flirty she was we all witnessed it with our own eyes
06:40that is not him being a predator that is him acting on what you told me exactly last summer
06:46me demi michaela layla and jen met marciano and immediately he was really flirty with demi
06:52the day after we left demi came into our hotel room crying and basically said that she confessed to brett
06:58that she feels bad because she's not a victim and that she played into it too much when demi initially
07:03told us about this we were like oh my gosh who do we need to call what do we need to do for you how
07:07can we help you and then the narrative switched a little bit after and then she was saying she
07:11wasn't the victim and she was flirting with him the whole entire time and admitted to that like i
07:15told you that i was for flirty and like having fun and i was there to connect with everyone there
07:20we stayed up late and played truth or dare like i let marciano kiss me on the cheek in truth or dare
07:24oh it makes me sick to my stomach i just cannot
07:36this is the dress oh my gosh i love it it has like yeah you won't need body makeup with that yeah i
07:43won't need body makeup it's more just like arms just arms yeah that's so smart to do body makeup first
07:47so it matches the face yeah yeah i didn't even think about that how are you hello
07:55shit
08:04okay we ready yeah just relax your first appearance appearance first up to me why did you decide to
08:12leave mom talk and stop filming and not come back for season three oh there was a lot that went into
08:18me deciding to leave mom talk i think ultimately it came down to just feeling like i wasn't being valued
08:27but i'm officially back filming here in la for the hulu get real event and i'm feeling very conflicted
08:37about it very nervous but i do feel like it's the right move for me i am back to set the record
08:42straight and back to tell the truth and i don't feel like i've had a fair chance at sharing my
08:49story hi hi how are you me and demi now have glam next to each other like within two feet of each
08:56other and to be honest it feels incredibly awkward because i know everything that's going on behind
09:00the scenes with her and marciano but not just that but like her and jesse and again me and demi have
09:06never had like a falling out but based on the actions i've seen and the characteristics i've seen
09:11i honestly just want to get my glam done and go do my press hello okay sorry i'm getting really
09:18well right now but anyways hi oh no do you love hold on a second hi hi hi hello your glam looks her
09:31we're here in la this is the first time all of us have been together in a while i'm clearly not welcome
09:37and mom talk but i can't even think about that right now today is a really huge day it is my
09:43interview with dancing with the stars dina katz i have so many thoughts going on in my mind i am just
09:48like so nervous but i'm just like you know what just be yourself and then whatever happens happens
09:56how are you feeling i feel great how are you feeling good just i i i don't want to continue um
10:03patterns of engaging in things that aren't any of my business but i did see that are you talking
10:10about what you said yesterday oh oh no i'm i i feel like that was like a blatant shot fired and you're
10:19accusing me of having an affair yes so i'm going to say something yeah i'm not gonna have someone come
10:24out there's one 30 year old in the group you're saying you had an affair with me you're not going to get
10:30away with that yeah you're blatantly lying about me yeah when you and jesse had the affair you and
10:36jesse formed an alliance to try to spin things and make it look better for you and try to throw me
10:40under the bus for something i did not do how did you expect it to go so you think him and jesse
10:46came together i see it clear as day i i would bet my life on it that that's what's happening this is
10:51actually my worst nightmare being in this glam chair next to demi and whitney talking on my friend
10:56i really just don't know how long i can stay silent anyway i think the most frustrating thing
11:03for me about all of this is the alliance that's been formed around jesse's word it sucks because i
11:12even still give layla grace i even still give macy and mikaela grace because they don't know they
11:18haven't been through it they don't understand what that feels like my name's in her mouth so of
11:25course it's not in a bad way away from you no not in a bad way i'm saying no i'm what i'm saying is
11:31that i give the people grace who haven't gone through that because they don't understand and
11:36that's just life like how can you understand if you haven't completely gone through that wait gone
11:41through what just being on the complete out and being ostracized and being talked about in every
11:45tiktok and being told that you're a liar i saw comments from the other women in favor of marciano
11:51and against me basically calling me a liar asking why was i continuing conversation with him afterwards
11:58if this happened just the classic case of victim blaming and there is no excuse to going online and
12:06calling a woman who's been a victim in any way shape or form a liar unless you have proof and evidence
12:14that that did not happen i don't know if that's you specifically or if it's mikaela specifically
12:19i really hope not given what happened to both you and mikaela i would hope that you would be like hey
12:25if something happened i'm gonna believe you because that's why people don't come forward and talk about
12:29it because they're afraid of oh how's it gonna look that i handled it in this way but as you know
12:35there's no right way to handle being mistreated in that way
12:42to me brings up my past history with abuse and it feels a little inappropriate to me because our
12:47situations are so vastly different i was in an abusive relationship i was abused choked hit pushed
12:55all these things i was raped and this situation is so different than what she went through so to me it
13:00almost feels insensitive that she's trying to compare the two or use me as a scapegoat for what
13:05she's going through this is just this whole thing is just a mess and a tricky situation and we're hearing
13:13so much information everything is all over the place we did we did a lie detector test
13:20and both of their answers came back like obviously um i want to say positive correct that she never
13:30slept with him and they just kissed it's like i obviously am going to believe jesse because she
13:35said that never happened i feel like i'm in a tricky position because i want to stay true to mom
13:40talk of supporting other women but with demi in this situation it's confusing because i can't feel like
13:44i can support her because of the way she's treated jesse and the way she's treated other women in our
13:48group i feel like if mom talk ever has a chance of being repaired that jesse and dimit just need
13:52to get in a room and sit down and address all these rumors face-to-face
14:18i'm so excited for this interview i'm so excited to talk with dina i'm just gonna tell my story try to be
14:30myself and yeah hope for the best have you danced no so i've never taken any dancing lessons um i'm just
14:53just hispanic like i just grew up dancing right and yeah i always like tease everyone i'm like i'm
14:59the worst dancer in the group do you dance oh girl yes i did dance on a professional team it was a
15:04contemporary team because i graduated in fine arts and with an emphasis in dance where at byu it was my
15:10life and i i loved it what was your favorite dance oh hip-hop for sure i'll shake that booty i was a
15:15competitive dancer from six to 16. oh wow point ballet jazz lyrical contemporary hip-hop aren't you
15:22all dancers maybe like tick-tock dancing like i could do little moves like that were you a dancer
15:26too i was not i was sports really what'd you play basketball i did soccer as well really yeah do you
15:33watch our show i love it yes i've watched it since i was a little girl with my mom i'm gonna win the
15:37mirror ball oh my gosh i'm trying to i'm like i have it on my vision board oh do you yeah oh my god
15:44a picture of me i photoshopped thank you so much i think the interview with dina cats went really
15:49well i will say we're supposed to hear back in a week or so this will be interesting to see thank you
15:53again okay we'll text you bye baby as much as i want this opportunity if i don't get it i hope it
16:02at least goes to someone who's here for the right reasons and who isn't here for just fame and
16:09fortune so our little show goes live in september and i don't know like what your life is it was
16:15feels like you move a lot but like yeah i bill for it i don't tell me where i need when and where i
16:20need to be and i'll be there move out it would be better if you were to do the show i'd give myself
16:24an 11 out of 10. it couldn't have gone better honestly at the end of the show you get to go to
16:32new york for a big cast announcement so that you mean when when i can't wait i can't wait okay
16:38i'll see you soon hopefully i don't flash the camera my skirt's a little short
16:52look at this spread oh yes we're gonna get the nervous yeah no for real
17:00we're such ladies we're getting ready to leave for the hulu get real event and
17:05i'm really nervous to see demi at this event because our last run-in was at hydro jug and it
17:10was very hostile this is a work event we work for hulu there are going to be other shows and other
17:23people there and the last thing i want is for people to be like okay do not invite these reality
17:28people to anything because they'll ruin it hello how are you good to see you
17:34me is upstairs hiding from us in glam because she's scared
17:52no it's really weird right now you guys are not feeling her oh i oh i never felt her i think all of
17:59our cats i was i've never felt her that's a big accusation it is no it's not okay like at least
18:06how flirty she was too like oh i'm sorry but hannah is marciano's ex-girlfriend she and marciano dated
18:13i believe for like three years on and off and it was pretty up and down and pretty dramatic literally
18:19and she was the one that's like let me fix you let's go talk yeah
18:25you're like i've been trying i know because i know he's a lot of things he's a lot of things
18:30i'll write a list back in a lot yeah no same he's not a sexual he's not he's not
18:35yep i'm not a huge fan of marciano but things did happen between demean marciano whether she wants to
18:43admit it or not i mean she was literally right next to him like grabbing his hands like googly eyes
18:50like talking laughing like it for sure did not seem like a married woman was talking to another single
18:58man with boundaries we all know that demi is very calculated she knows she's been caught they
19:04allegedly kissed like off camera what better way to kind of squash this conversation than to call
19:12yourself a victim that's what i'm saying he told her he was like madly in love with her and i just
19:17feel like that that night that she left he goes she's just like it's what i'm looking for like she
19:22told me she wants to divorce her husband i'm like okay oh my god he's like we're gonna be together
19:27after this yeah and it sucks that today we have to see her because like this is all all this drama is
19:32now happening she is nasty little bit the group is definitely separated demi and whitney are off on
19:54their own and the rest of mom talk are together i think it's a dysfunctional mom talk right now and
20:00i'm just glad i'm not in the car with demi and whitney i just got glam done and demi was with me
20:06so that was fun in the tiny hotel room in the tiny little space we're this far apart getting our
20:11makeup done i was like this is great and then they were like started talking about like all this like
20:16going on like she still thinks she's up and marcy on i went back and forth with her on that i was
20:20like yeah yeah and i was like she did a lie detector check they both did it they both were clean
20:26basically long story short demi would say stuff and be like you know and like the other two in the group
20:30who have been assaulted referring to me and you oh and she's like you know it's just hard when like
20:34they're not supporting you and then oh like i can't i looked over and gave like side eye and then she's
20:39like and like you know people who are victims almost like guilting me yeah she knows what she's doing
20:45because she knows that's a sucky thing to question yeah and you're not going to be like and i'm not
20:49going to question like a woman like i've been in that position so it's like hard for me but she knows that's
20:54your soft spot it's hard to say yes demi's lying because i obviously never want to say that someone's
21:01lying if they are a victim of something but i think it's offensive for demi to take my situation to
21:09almost put more validity in her situation obviously i was a child when this was happening to me and i just
21:18i don't think it's fair to compare our two situations at all
21:28you guys we're here can i bring my drink with me i love that i'm literally pregnant and i'm still
21:34scared when i'm wearing white stuff that i'm gonna start my period or something i'm coming in
21:38i'm so excited to see all the golden bachelor bachelorettes i'm like i'm in heaven the get
21:55real event is a huge event that hulu puts on with abc to basically celebrate the cast of unscripted
22:01shows and i'm so excited to be here slay i feel like this is going to be such a fun night and we're
22:07going to be able to connect with other people that are kind of in this same space that we're in
22:10i feel like mom talk is very divided right now but hopefully we can act like the grown-ass women
22:14that we are and get past it for one night oh look at taylor in them okay we want to meet you okay well
22:26we have to go we have to go i'm not going to stay here what do you mean are you coming on our show
22:31so i just got out have you guys seen it i have i saw it last night yeah you thought you could use
22:36some jesus in your life yeah and you actually like it yeah good yeah that's funny you gotta get him in
22:46dad talk yeah we have a spot in our show his name's dakota so oh asshole um yes yeah that's the one
22:53appreciate it by the way i graduated from being an asshole when i turned like 30 a very likable
23:00asshole though we will see you guys thank you oh my god everybody there's so many babies i know it's
23:12floey and scott the fact that they were fans of our show was a cool thing to be like whoa like some of
23:18the most famous people in the world are watching our show it's crazy i mean i don't even know what to
23:22think right now um i can't even remember what i said or did i know i was like bowing down at one
23:28point i i can't even believe we're here that was iconic yeah look at them they're getting into it
23:34yeah like hannah's there like that's so awkward why is whitney there like she even knows anything
23:38i look over and i see demi and whitney talking with hannah and it feels like they're talking about me with
23:44the gestures demi is making and how passionate she's talking so that's from me to you to jesse like a
23:49train he says that like you guys have like a connection and like you guys loved each other yeah
23:57no he told me all these things towards me i never once reciprocated even when he was like it was love
24:04at first sight like i was obsessed with you like i didn't know what to do i was just like oh man like
24:10sorry that's wild never was i like i know i'm kind of fighting feelings or yeah i was really fighting
24:17an attraction i was not fighting one single thing like yeah i was genuinely trying to just be nice do
24:23my job and then afterwards i was like i gotta keep this guy at bay i had no clue about jesse i had no
24:30clue that that was even going on are you allowed for my kids to do no i mean depending on your if you're a
24:37swinger or you have an open relationship but no are you kidding me brett would be so pissed if we even
24:44kissed on the mouth like even just hi he'd be livid and i would never do that to him so that's why
24:51it's a big deal to me because i'm like don't even she just went like this i was like oh well i thought
24:57she went like this she's trying to show what actually happened i thought she went like this
25:01or was she ear humping again the energy is definitely awkward it looks like she's acting out
25:06like a kiss so i can tell that either she's trying to spin the narrative to them before it gets out
25:12or just trying to get her truth out there i don't know it makes me upset because we're at this
25:18professional event i hope you're not slandering my name and now it's clear to me that this is not
25:23the time or the place but i do need to have a conversation with demi like i do want to say
25:27like let's retract the sexual characteristics from marciani no no no absolutely not
25:34i just wanted to say bye bye bye thanks we should probably have a conversation at some point
25:44probably tomorrow let's do it the animosity that i'm getting from all of the women
25:49is just so extremely disappointing and i can't help but feel like man not long ago we were sharing
25:59our deepest feelings and being vulnerable with each other and now i feel like we're complete strangers
26:04i think that there is no other option at this point than to sit down and share my side of things
26:09but when it comes to mom talk i'm not ready to come back i don't know if i have any friends here
26:16that's how i'm feeling honestly we're here to celebrate mom talk we've accomplished this together
26:37empowerment all of the positive things but the coldness that i'm feeling from all of these women
26:42is exactly why i've given up on this i'm the only one in the group that's been supportive of demi or
26:48has even wanted to hear demi out friends should be the ones who give each other the most grace
26:56but that's not what's happening it's just there's a divide there's a huge divide right now
27:12i'm dying i know i mean i don't know because you're pregnant so it's worse but i know terrible
27:24i'll be fine though today was definitely amazing in fact it was so great i think i spent the whole
27:30day running on adrenaline you have the drinks menu you have some nice mocktails it definitely seems like
27:36there's two groups there's demean whitney and then there's us and even though it sucks i'm just
27:44grateful that we were able to get through the day and that it could still be a great experience
27:48how did you guys feel about today in general i think it went better than i was thinking it was
27:54gonna go she said hi to me and so did whitney but i don't know it just feels disingenuine now because
28:00now that the friendships are gone it just feels i don't know i'm not used to having friendships that are
28:05business related so it's just weird right i don't know if i can do this whole week stagecoach
28:12you'll be fun stagecoach is a country music festival in the middle of the desert i'm so excited
28:19i am just looking forward to being with my friends hanging out and honestly just having fun experiences
28:26with my girlfriends so the brand the one we have to post for him they want stuff from whitney and so
28:33they're expecting her to be at the house what no they're not just a stagecoach but i think we did
28:40i didn't think she was going we had this house we're going to stay at for stagecoach and it's
28:44being hosted by a brand brands don't care if mom talk is getting along or not when you make a deal
28:51with a brand you're obligated to hold up your end of that deal how do you guys feel at the end of the
28:57day i can ignore her i'm not whitney's biggest fan but like she hasn't done me like very very dirty so
29:02i'm just like whatever she's done me so dirty it's just not worth my energy like you know i could be
29:06around freaking anyone and make it work i'm one of the only women in the group that still
29:14has somewhat of a friendship with whitney i would say we're on fairly good terms i also think i can
29:21relate to her in some ways i know what it's like to feel on the outs with mom talk i just don't know
29:27how to navigate this moving forward like she's gonna be at things how are we handling this like
29:31we need to make sure everyone's comfortable yeah i'm planning on talking to whitney whitney puts up this
29:38front and this tough exterior i think on the inside she truly does care a lot and she does want to be here
29:46sorry i think just sometimes friend breakups can like genuinely be harder than like boyfriend breakups
29:55and spousal breakups so i want to make it a safe space for her to do that and maybe to let that guard
30:02down a little bit too pregnant for this
30:16fine so we've decided we're going to leave it up right yeah because i know everyone's going to have
30:23their hair down and curled hello what's up bitch oh gosh i know that's probably what you say behind
30:33me too no it's not i was coming to ask you are you going to stagecoach i wasn't planning on it
30:39is demi going are you guys like i know you guys know demi is not going okay she's for sure not
30:45going i just like feel so weird after our last meeting with everyone like i think it'd be so
30:50weird if i went well i will say that i do feel pretty like i felt really bad after the meeting i'm
30:56not gonna lie because i don't want to say that we were attacking you but i'm sure it felt that way
31:01that you were like attacked by all of us at once regardless if we're valid in our reasons and vice
31:06versa it doesn't take away the feelings you have from it right so i appreciate that i do want to say
31:11that i am sorry that we came all at once i don't want to speak for them but i think their thing was
31:17that they just wanted to hear what is your intention i think that's what they all wanted to know
31:21i was very clear with everyone yeah the only reason i came back to film was because i was given the
31:26opportunity to audition for dancing with the stars i i felt like i said all of that with everyone was
31:31there something that i missed no you did admit that which is again good i mean that's i think what we
31:37wanted was at least tell us why i did make that effort and nothing came of it maybe everybody's just
31:44having a business mindset then this is just a business okay we're co-workers at this point i mean sure
31:51i would love a world where we were back to where things used to be but i mean a girl can dream but
31:58that's just not how it is right now but again if this is like it's still a business and whatnot and
32:02you're doing it correct so if you're in this business we're going to be at so many things together
32:08and it's like do we want this awkwardness or do we want to just like we can work as co-workers at least
32:13right like because at the end of the day i think this is all it is going to be right at this point
32:17yeah even though whitney does say she's here for work and only work i do know that there's this
32:25softer side of her that she is protecting but the friendships really do matter to whitney and so i just
32:32want to open it up to all of us to her to mom talk and so we can come together okay good luck
32:38thank you thank you is this yours i was just playing diddling with it someone's no i was not
32:45going to shake your hand oh what were you doing i was gonna pull you in to give you a hug not to shake
32:50your hand oh it's so cute it is so pretty the purple the lavender i'm like does it match my eyes
33:14should i wear the purple dress yeah the view is insane jesse's gonna get here do you think the
33:22conversation's over between jesse i mean i hope so because she's i was hoping she should be here by
33:26now but i just feel like it would go so long jesse's meeting with demi right now to set the record
33:32straight about marciana there's so many like little details to hash out many details there's a lot to
33:37unpack do you think there's any world where like again if demi pulls a whitney of like i'm ready to
33:43come back in the group and do this do you think there's any world where jesse's like oh no no but
33:48i think it depends on the context of the reality of the situation that's happening like they can
33:55agree and be like okay like i see your side and like these are the facts and like i'm sorry i did
34:00this i think if it's like that then sure but if it's not then i don't listen i already know all
34:05of us would have our guard up and be like i don't trust her
34:29i asked demi to meet up today because i'm really sick of her spreading the rumor that i slept with
34:33marciano and i need her to know from me that it's not true it just feels really unfair that demi is
34:38continuing to spread this rumor because she doesn't know the details of what's going on now
34:42she's just continuing to perpetuate this narrative without actually knowing the facts
34:46i'm hoping that since we were so close at one point we can sit down face to face and
34:50she'll know that i'm telling the truth hello
35:04all right how do you want to start this i know i thought of a million different ways
35:09um i'm not gonna lie i'm really nervous she knows how to bulldoze you in conversation she has a way of
35:17making people believe her she's manipulative she's strong-armed and she's passionate so
35:21it's gonna be very interesting to see how she tries to spin things because i know she's gonna
35:26try to discredit my story best way to start okay there is one thing i do want to clear up the only
35:32reason i ever brought up you having sex with marciano was because he told me multiple times that
35:38that's what happened it didn't happen like genuinely we both took a lie detector and we both said we
35:43didn't have sex and it came up true like it did not happen and at this point i have laid this all
35:48out on the line i'm owning my i'm telling my whole story if i knew that we had sex and it was gonna
35:53come out i would just say it now because i'm already blowing up my life i'm just confused because
35:57the energy that i'm picking up on and the body language is telling me a completely different story
36:03for some reason i'm just not believing it jesse just come out with it like you'll feel so much better
36:08just come out and tell me what happened so i genuinely did not have sex with him and it makes
36:13me sad that he said that but he did tell us you guys kissed so i'm hearing that yeah false so did he
36:20kiss you on the cheek goodbye that day nope he kissed me on truth or dare that's it that's it it was just
36:25very confusing so it's like okay if you guys did kiss then that is an assault because you kissed him
36:29the next day you know but well that still could be assault even if i did kiss him the next day which i
36:34didn't there was not a kiss in the mouth there was two ass grabs i genuinely feel there was like
36:42some flirtiness and even if you didn't do anything wrong like i feel like maybe he got the wrong idea
36:46and then you continue to talk to him for months if he actually assaulted you why did you continue to
36:50talk to him and why did you send him pictures of and why was talking to him going into this meeting
36:55with demi i wanted to have my facts straight we have heard so much from marciano about his side of
37:00things with her but i needed some tangible proof so i did ask him to send a few screenshots of text
37:06messages they had that maybe alluded to more happening some of those messages were a little
37:11bit inappropriate kind of flirty inviting him to utah saying suggestive things so all of this put
37:17together shows that there's like a repeated pattern of being overly friendly and really flirty
37:22with him whenever they talk there was one conversation where was a part of it and i was on the phone
37:28and she pressed facetime well we saw a picture of her sleeping that you sent him on his phone not
37:33sleeping yeah like you sent him a picture of her and then there was a photo or a video of her praying
37:42i'm just saying if he assaulted you why are you sending photos of your daughter to him like that
37:46there was multiple things that looking back i was like why am i still talking to this guy like
37:51yeah even to brett that's the thing that is the variable that matters in this moment is that
37:56there was not one text not one phone call not one facetime that brett wasn't aware i'm not even
38:00worried about that it's the text that seems kind of flirty like your name in my phone is now going
38:05to be marciano baby because that's what calls you and there were like story replies where you're like
38:09oysters taste like cum and there was like little water and like like i have the text i can show you
38:14oysters taste like he had a story of oysters and you responded and you were like ew and then he was
38:20like oh come on you're like that's the same thing as swallowing cum and then you sent all these emojis for me
38:24the behavior does not add up why did you continue there's no right way to handle those situations
38:30in my mind it literally was a case of keep your friends close side of me closer where i was like
38:34why because if you didn't do anything wrong what were you afraid of him doing what he's doing
38:38what spinning things to make him to try to get clout to try to make things look a certain way i think
38:44the thing that was so frustrating for me was that i confided in you in what happened with marciano
38:50and then you had a physical and emotional affair with the guy yeah but i was like my best friend i
38:56get that but from my perspective like you were still friendly with him so i genuinely didn't feel
39:00like you felt that way about him i'm only hearing now that he's her alleged abuser now that it's
39:05coming out publicly but she's told me and the girl so many times that she's not a victim i did not go
39:11out and intentionally find someone who abused me and decided to kiss him and that's how she's trying
39:15to make it seem right now i mean you weren't forced to text him and call him and have facetimes and like
39:20you weren't forced to do that but that's that's victim shaming there's not one way to handle this
39:27situation everyone is going to handle these types of situations differently you never deserve unwanted
39:32touch no matter what it looks like no matter what your relationship was before or after unwanted touch
39:39is unwanted touch no i understand your perspective i'm not trying to victim shame you like if he grabbed
39:44you without you asking that's obviously inappropriate and not something that's okay yeah
39:52at this point i feel like i'm backed into a corner because demy's saying there's no perfect way to
39:56handle assault and that is completely valid and so true so i just feel like i can't fight that right
40:01now and even though we may never know the truth i just need to let this go ultimately i'm just glad we
40:06had this conversation and i honestly never want to talk about this or marciano ever again i'm so over it
40:12yeah okay well thank you yeah thank you hopefully we can just let it be i know
40:30yeah baby we're heading to stagecoach country music festival
40:34all this sexual trauma is having a huge effect on our marriage there are times when i'm just feeling
40:47done with it i just feel like it's getting harder
40:52oh my god my dress can we just go to bed all this sexual trauma it's having a huge effect on our
40:57marriage there are times when i'm just feeling done with it i just feel like it's getting harder
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