The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 Episode 11

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00:00:00I'm so excited to be here so glad it's you because I know you're totally like unbiased. Thank you. I've been in your shoes

00:00:08The holidays are a time for joy. She was a snake in the fucking grass. It's disgusting

00:00:13I didn't say I was gonna leave you for him. I told Marziano

00:00:16That's why I'm most likely I'm gonna leave my husband cuz I'm unhappy for celebration

00:00:20How do you feel about your wife texting would come to another man? How do you feel about that? To leave the room?

00:00:26I want to go home

00:00:29To fa-la-la-la lose your fucking mind. I just don't know how you could keep lying

00:00:34What the fuck is wrong with you? Just take a couple of breaths on camera to Layla?

00:00:38You're like I don't care about just she's a fucking liar and cheater tis the damn secret lives of Mormon wives season three reunion y'all

00:00:46Merry mom talk Christmas

00:00:56After the baby

00:01:03Today's gonna be fun. I know. Yeah, I'm a little nervous. I look different this season

00:01:07You look genuine like just like who you are

00:01:11Well, we'll see if Taylor shows up today. Yeah, what actually? Yeah, I heard it was messy

00:01:17So basically why wouldn't she come? Dakota told me yesterday. She was like I'm not coming tomorrow

00:01:22If Dakota's coming is Dakota coming and we'll see

00:01:29You guys I lost my wedding ring is that like a sign I have

00:01:32I think you've had a lot of other signs. The one that Sydney made and all my bands gone

00:01:37Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me

00:01:40So you guys have big issue with Brett is that what I need to understand here? I don't care to talk to him

00:01:45I don't care to interact with him. Apparently Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist

00:01:50I think Demi and Brett specifically they have more skeletons in their closet and so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen

00:01:57It it covers them up and it's so exhausting and so annoying

00:02:04Welcome what's going on?

00:02:06Are you okay?

00:02:08Yeah, great. Come on out with it. I mean, I will have all day for that

00:02:13Maybe use this as like a opportunity to get everything off of your chest. Maybe it's the fucker's not here

00:02:25He's gonna watch it obviously stupid brain won't shut up like I'm like getting ready. I'm like already heated and I'm like shut

00:02:31I'm like

00:02:40Dear Heavenly Father we want to thank thee for the opportunity we have to come together today

00:02:45we pray that we can have the strength to

00:02:48Stand by our own principles and our own values as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ

00:02:55Amen

00:02:57All right, you guys see your lives season three

00:03:02Gorgeous gorgeous girl

00:03:07You look beautiful you do too. Thank you. Is this your first posting? No, I did villa

00:03:13So this is my second. Oh reunion you hosted. Yeah, okay. I didn't watch it for obvious reasons

00:03:19But it wasn't because of you. Yeah, no

00:03:25I would love to hear your truth threat like just tell us where you're coming from the biggest problem

00:03:32I think I have with everybody is

00:03:35The knee-jerk reaction

00:03:37To to me saying that she was a victim was to not believe her the only reason I ever brought up you having sex with

00:03:43Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened. It didn't happen. He did tell us you guys kissed

00:03:49So I'm hearing that yeah false. There was not a kiss in the mouth

00:03:53There was two ass grabs if he actually assaulted you. Why did you continue to talk to him?

00:04:00Just the classic case of victim blaming

00:04:03Can we agree that she was like flirting and having long conversations and like building a relationship with the guy like she just met?

00:04:10She wasn't building a relationship with him not flirty at all

00:04:12You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum

00:04:17I'm not wired like you, bud. You should rewire yourself. Oh, yeah, that's disturbing. Okay. All right, little guy

00:04:24It's the lulu land, dude. What'd you say you guys live in a different universe?

00:04:29I had no idea that pathological

00:04:32Contagious, but I guess it is

00:04:35I don't even know why you're here. Just walk away

00:04:38Everyone's being nice to you people just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person

00:04:42Hey, the feeling's neutral dipshit just so you know good, and it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice

00:04:48Oh nice, bro. You're a fake guy

00:04:49I think that's a little steep and I don't think anything good is gonna come from talking like that

00:04:54Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute watch

00:04:57Nice to finally meet you in person. I know I've heard a lot and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like

00:05:04You remind me of stasi

00:05:06Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like I want to see and now

00:05:09I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s. It's not who you are now

00:05:14I'm sure. Oh, is it like a long time ago? Yeah, I was like 22 when it's when I started it. I'm 37 now

00:05:19I am your elder that's the crazy thing to me

00:05:22Zach all right, let's just let's just watch this. You're good. I'm gonna

00:05:25I'm gonna keep talking. I don't care to talk to you. I don't care to talk to me

00:05:28I don't care to talk about any of that stuff. That's your story. The feeling's mutual bud

00:05:34And I'm gonna talk to you

00:05:36I'm here so we're gonna talk

00:05:38Welcome to the secret lives of mormon wives the season three reunion

00:05:42I'm your host stasi schroeder and the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you

00:05:50We've decked the halls lined the trees and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry mormon wives to look back at a very memorable season

00:05:59ladies

00:06:00I am dazzled i'm delighted to be a part of this not just because i am a huge fan

00:06:06But because like I have been exactly in your shoes

00:06:10I've dated the bad boy argued allegations had the fallouts and managed the fame last time

00:06:16This cast was on this stage y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room

00:06:23Since then we've had some very exciting updates. Take a look

00:06:27It's like 3 45 in the morning and my water just broke

00:06:33I'm nervous

00:06:34I'm nervous

00:06:44i'm so sick i look crazy

00:06:55mikaela did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower no honestly i was so

00:06:59blacked out at that point like i was in another planet um but no it was a little monitoring strap

00:07:05oh macy and mikaela there's a conspiracy theory that you both named your daughters charlotte

00:07:13is this true we actually didn't we didn't that was a joke it's a conspiracy online yeah shut the

00:07:19up i always liked the name ladi it was like my one that i had throughout that i was like okay

00:07:24i'm sticking to this yeah and i knew that macy had charlie on her list i didn't even know what

00:07:29name she was naming her baby until like two days after birth wait so you guys neither of your child's

00:07:34name is charlotte no no i was god jen you shared so much about like your struggles while you were

00:07:44pregnant i think it's just like prenatal like yeah depression i think i first started feeling

00:07:54depressed when i realized what needed to change in my life and in my marriage but it wasn't until

00:08:01after i found out i was pregnant that i truly hit rock bottom i don't even know what happened yesterday

00:08:08oh jen oh my god

00:08:14how are you feeling now postpartum yeah um oh no oh my gosh sorry it's just crazy to see

00:08:25how far i've come it's just me sorry little penny with so much hair

00:08:35it's just crazy to see um her now i just love her so much and she's like literally everything to me

00:08:44i remember when i found out i was pregnant with her i was genuinely disappointed because i felt like i

00:08:49wasn't ready but everything happens for a reason and she is like the reason why i'm healed to this

00:08:56day sorry i'm sure people have come reached out to you about oh my gosh thank you for being so open

00:09:02about what you went through because you are helping people yes right now oh yeah prenatal depression and

00:09:07postpartum is not talked about enough re-watching that just made me realize like oh my gosh like i can't

00:09:13believe i'm here and i'm in a better place and i feel like i'm genuinely happier and it's because

00:09:19of her so i love that our babies always save us they really do that was not mature how we did it

00:09:25let's just talk okay i genuinely want to know let's start over seriously where i am hurt and have feelings

00:09:31towards you and to me is you know the hell that i was going through i came to you like i looked up to

00:09:36you as like this older you know person i could get advice from and i felt like we talked and you gave

00:09:41me a lot of good advice i'm sorry to hear that i genuinely am and i didn't know the extent to which

00:09:49jen was hurting come here was that thought you're going to beat my ass i'm not going to do that

00:09:55demi how are you i'm good how are you back in mom talk i'm back no i was shocked whitney came back

00:10:01because dancing with the stars but i didn't know why why you came back i just felt like there was

00:10:09unfinished business yeah and i felt like there was a pattern of self-sabotage and watching myself

00:10:15back i'm like oh there's my shadow there's like the sides of me that need to be healed and for me

00:10:20i'm like no i deserve to be here and i have you know a story to tell so yeah i'm excited i'm excited

00:10:26to be back well good to have you here thank you from breakups to makeups and a few massive shakeups

00:10:32mom talk and co have kept things moving and kept us guessing so tonight we are leaving no stone

00:10:39unturned no tea unspelled and no duncan refresher unstirred we will be joined by a slew of surprise

00:10:46guests popping in as our fabulous duncan sip and tellers at our duncan bev bar let's get to the chase

00:10:53oh no ladies mom talk how we doing

00:11:05apparently i was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender that's a full-blown lie maybe

00:11:10taylor we got some drinks for everyone here snacks just stay behind the bar i don't need to get touched

00:11:17again at least you used touched instead of shoved taylor chase thank you you go oh it's really good

00:11:25we've got some questions for you chase is it weird to be sitting like behind taylor i'm normally next

00:11:32door oh he'd rather be on top or bottom though let's talk about your date um

00:11:39should we kiss for our friends sake

00:11:48taylor did you know it was a date no not really i think it was like he wanted to just apologize

00:11:55i don't know why it's such a big deal i'm not married to miranda anymore okay miranda did you know

00:12:01about this date from what i heard it was a coffee meet up to put water into the bridge that's what i

00:12:08heard that's not a date it just felt like there were a few details left out and that's really

00:12:15where my confusion came from right okay i mean i would be annoyed too so yeah chase taylor where do

00:12:23you guys think you go from here we'll see but i don't know okay all right so it looks like we're

00:12:35all gonna have to watch this on season four and we have so much to get through thanks chase for the

00:12:43sip and telling all right you know we love a little game around here so tonight whether you're sipping

00:12:51on hot cocoa a cola or a cosmo we've got a buzzword for you every time you hear the word accountability

00:12:59we invite all of you at home to take a sip we're gonna get alcohol poisoning you still can't sit

00:13:06here and just take accountability say you're right i'm here for this i know that's your favorite word

00:13:11oh god the accountability it's like the favorite word jesse took accountability and i take full

00:13:18accountability but again this is to take accountability you're the lack of accountability

00:13:22you're just taking accountability we don't hear any accountabilities again should we look up the

00:13:26definition because i think a lot of people in this group don't even know what it means accountability

00:13:32is the state of being held responsible for something or someone take accountability accountability

00:13:37accountability i'm not even going to say the word accountability holy we use that word way too much

00:13:42but take accountability i love the accountability alone had like 12. that's the only one not in that

00:13:50montage i don't buy into it wow jesse gold star whitney at one point this past season you called the

00:14:02other women your co-workers like what inspired this change of heart because it looked like overnight you

00:14:08were like i want everyone to be friends again honestly i feel like it was more so during press week

00:14:13i think like it was just to me and i and then it was everyone else these were huge milestones that we

00:14:20were all accomplishing together so it's like it's kind of sad that like we can't even be work friends

00:14:26macy i want to ask you why she went to you to heal mom talk at first when she approached me i was like

00:14:31this is a bad idea and then i was like okay well we can try it and i can't make any promises that

00:14:37people aren't going to break out in a fight but i think it was cool because it took every single one

00:14:41of us had to be vulnerable and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did went better

00:14:44than i thought it did it went better than i thought it would yeah i feel like i'm good with

00:14:49every single one of you i would consider every single one of you one of my friends

00:14:53yeah well the guys have been patiently waiting backstage but i think it's time

00:14:59we bring them out to join the fun dad talk come on out

00:15:02see you out there i'm nervous about going

00:15:12here to join in on the fun are jace jordan connor zach and jacob i was just in london filming the

00:15:19next season of banner pub villa and some of you guys were there how was the villa guys

00:15:24zach why did you turn bright red uh i just saw some things oh what oh would you see those aren't

00:15:33my secrets to share i will say he was a little testy when he came home from london so i was like

00:15:38you've been hanging out with jordan too much it's a little spicy it's not usually spicy what happened

00:15:44in england you're gonna have to wait and tune in just wait hey all right more of that on season

00:15:51four of secret lives of mormon wives now if you need a drink at home grab a chaser and for anyone

00:15:57here just grab chase let's see who else is behind the bar

00:16:05so you guys are official official official how are you good mason is chase's brother and he's

00:16:25freaking hot i used to see chase now i see you do you think it's weird to be honest

00:16:30i don't know yes it's not weird i saw chase a year ago now i know that mason was interested

00:16:37in me first before chase was so i just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first and now we're

00:16:43doing redo oh my god also leila so i hear mason has met your kids yes yes do they love him did he

00:16:54pass the test the kids test i fear they're obsessed with him the other day when we were on that hike

00:16:59yeah because he looks like tarzan have they seen that movie i always every single time they're eating

00:17:03they're like i'm gonna eat all my food so i get big bus big muscles like mason i'm like oh okay

00:17:09so smart i have to ask who's a better kisser definitely mason i was gonna ask his bigger

00:17:17i want to shift gears from mason and layla and talk about another relationship mikaela and jace

00:17:24you guys were very vulnerable about your struggles this season i feel like i've made a lot of strides

00:17:32with my past sexual abuse but as far as the intimacy issues i feel like it's been one area that i

00:17:39haven't been able to progress at all intimacy for me is really important it's like a deal breaker i think

00:17:46it's someone else's fault that took things and stole things from you and if i'm frustrated

00:17:50i'm frustrating at those people i'm not frustrated with you mikaela how does it feel hearing jace say

00:17:58not having intimacy is an issue for him sorry i'm gonna take a second

00:18:04sorry i'm just gonna take a second

00:18:25sorry it's still really fresh everything that i'm working through

00:18:31i know it's a really big need of his and i think he's been very patient with me

00:18:37mikaela's been amazing i think that she's handling it better than i could have

00:18:42in her situation have things improved at all since the finale since that time i feel like i haven't had

00:18:50my body or felt in my body for a long time because of my health issues also she had a baby

00:18:55and i just had a baby she carried that baby to term and pushed that baby out and then after having

00:19:01the baby it's like my health stuff all came back 180 overnight and then for him it's still hard because

00:19:06we're still having the intimacy issues and i'm like i don't know how to overcome it i think that's what's

00:19:10hard yeah jesse you look like you're getting emotional yeah um i actually loved watching

00:19:23mikiho's story because i knew that it happened to her but seeing it play out and like seeing her

00:19:28thoughts and feelings behind it um i can relate i i've been doing a lot of therapy because of mine

00:19:34and jordan situation and i actually uncovered the memory that i was raped when i was 19.

00:19:42and um it really it like started a lot of my um issues um about like going emotionally numb and

00:19:52pushing people away and feeling not good enough and after uncovering that um me and jordan already

00:19:59had our struggles but it made it worse like i i don't exactly like i don't want him to touch me

00:20:07and it's not his fault but like it's so crazy how your body reacts it's not just your emotions you know

00:20:14um so yeah that's just been another layer of healing for me but watching her story like it just really hit

00:20:20home for me and i i understand fully how that can feel connor what's going through your head right now

00:20:33i'm so sorry jesse

00:20:37i feel like i can't relate in the same way i struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways and i don't want to

00:20:46speak for michaela or jesse or anyone else but it can be challenging to rewire your brain at least

00:20:52for me the two polarizing parts are like please don't touch me i don't have control here and it scares

00:20:59me to i want to have like hyper sexuality like i want to have as much sex as possible to put distance

00:21:04between me and that event i just need to get that out of my system so i don't know if i can necessarily

00:21:12relate with your relationships but i do know that the patience that you are giving your spouses is

00:21:20healing and it is breeding intimacy between the both of you i feel like that's one good thing that

00:21:25has come from the fame i think it has pushed a lot of us out of our comfort zone i don't know when i

00:21:30would have talked about it for me i would probably just push it away until i was 40 or 50 so i think

00:21:35this is a great thing like all the conversations that we've had i think are amazing and i think they're

00:21:39helping so many people that are watching so i think that's my that's my pro to me are you okay

00:21:52what is this triggering for you i think just like deep deep wounds and things for me that i haven't

00:21:58fully uncovered and things i know i've been through that i've blocked out as well and then just listening

00:22:07to you guys talk about it is like it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room and like how many

00:22:14people in this room have experienced something like this to a degree and then with everything that

00:22:19i went through the past year not to compare because what i went through was not even close to what

00:22:28most everyone has gone through but it triggered a lot of

00:22:31really horrible things that have happened in my life so to not be believed and be questioned and

00:22:41like be called a liar um yeah that it was just horrible so i'm touched to like hear the way you

00:22:50guys are talking about it and connor when you talk about it it's like my little younger self is like

00:22:57getting the hug that i needed you guys should be so proud of yourselves thank you for being so open

00:23:04all of you i feel like you're gonna help so many people by talking about it we have a former member

00:23:10of dad talk waiting to join us and now feels like a good time let's bring out brett

00:23:18he's joined us here now how are you doing doing well happy to be here good so for the past two seasons

00:23:24fans have been wondering what really happened with marciano and mom talk we've read receipts

00:23:30reviewed recaps and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up take a look so i met with marciano

00:23:38and he told me that you guys have been having an affair the past couple months

00:23:43he told me that you guys had sex oh my hell i can't we did not have sex there's dark parts of

00:23:51me that just sometimes want to throw up my hands and just say i don't want to do this anymore are you

00:23:57still the person that i want to be with it ultimately led to us deciding to separate did

00:24:03demi tell you to say that you slept with jesse yeah did you and demi kiss in italy oh god you guys if

00:24:10i go admitted to that i just don't want war i know marciano was hurt by me ending things

00:24:15abruptly so it does make sense that he would join forces with demi because he wanted revenge

00:24:22oh what who's that marciano he said uninvited to the function because a 30 year old mormon wife

00:24:29scared to tell her husband the truth and then to be common and she goes grown men acting like a child

00:24:35because they couldn't bag a married woman and then she commented another night also he got uninvited

00:24:39because he's a sexual predator he's not a sexual he's not he's not a predator i think the biggest

00:24:44thing for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly

00:24:50want to understand she knows how to bulldoze you in conversation she has a way of making people

00:24:55believe her never once did i feel it for him we've never kissed in our life i've never even told him he

00:25:02was cute period the end my gut is telling me everything is calculated i definitely think

00:25:08she's a threat to mom talks foundation the band is officially back together we still have a lot to work

00:25:13on but i do feel a little more hopeful because i am seeing patterns and behaviors that i needed to see

00:25:18before i personally feel like the things that i've needed to face i've faced so are you ready to

00:25:24officially move back in i'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this

00:25:32so jesse you had an emotional affair with marciana what did he provide for you emotionally

00:25:43i always say like it honestly could have been anyone at home i just was feeling not seen not

00:25:48appreciated not loved i couldn't do anything right so just to have someone who like thought i was cool or

00:25:54funny or just like didn't see those negative things like it was just someone getting me attention in

00:25:58a positive way and not putting me down all the time do you regret though cheating yeah i wish i would

00:26:04have just left jordan at that time instead of cheating i truly was like if i do something like

00:26:10this like that will get me out it was almost like well he hasn't hit me he hasn't done anything

00:26:15like that so like it was really hard to like justify leaving but emotional abuse and that toxicity

00:26:20can drain you and it did and it made me a person i'm not proud of macy i know you had a lot of

00:26:26opinions about this yeah no it's hard i've obviously someone who has been through an abusive relationship

00:26:32and i know theirs isn't the same as mine but i think for me i like that jordan was finally owning

00:26:37things but i was also like as long as you we had the action behind it because words are just words

00:26:41unless there's action put behind it um but yeah no i mean it's not something you want to hear about

00:26:46your friend that's why i'm always really protective taylor but at the end of the day i know they have

00:26:49to make their own choices so i try to stay in one relationship at a time and do do what i can so

00:26:54like i'm not trying to jump too deep into jesse now i will say i do remember him taking his part of

00:27:01being like i did mess up i did do this to her and i did do that and there was no buts after and so

00:27:05i appreciated that part of it but behind closed doors when you go home with him i don't know how that

00:27:09was so we all don't know that part so only they can speak on that one well jesse do you feel like

00:27:15jordan has put action behind it yeah we've been in therapy for a while and i have seen a lot of

00:27:20changes i will say like i wouldn't still be here if that wasn't happening unfortunately healing isn't

00:27:26overnight so we've had setbacks and there are still things i worry about but overall i do feel like he's

00:27:31taken what i've said and applied a lot of it i just need time to see if it's gonna feel genuine you

00:27:38know jordan how do you feel about that i've had to make changes and i've had to look at myself in the

00:27:43mirror and like think about like the kind of person that i want to be not for jesse but for

00:27:48myself like i am i'm proud of myself for the changes that i've made and i really hope that

00:27:54those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my family well there was even more drama

00:28:01behind the scenes the night layla broke the news of jesse's affair take a look at this extended cut

00:28:06of one of the phone calls between jesse and marciano

00:28:12i'm just gonna go like this

00:28:16so i was told that you said we had sex you know that that's not true so i'm just confused why it

00:28:23was said that way jesse i'm not gonna get into this agreement with you okay do you think we had sex

00:28:32uh yeah i mean that's how i remember it we kissed twice that was it okay no marciano you know that

00:28:42like i i'm just you know that i i i'm willing to be so open and honest that i had feelings for you like

00:28:49i was struggling in my marriage but i want it to be the truth it's everything a hundred percent

00:28:55but how you wanted to leave jordan and that you loved me yes one thousand percent i'm gonna have

00:29:00to like everything's coming out so that's why i just really want it to be the truth this is the

00:29:05thing is that we're gonna have this come out be a honest this is so much bigger than you think

00:29:09to me really me i don't want to get into it i really can't

00:29:13oh my god i gotta go jordan how do you feel watching that well um a little bit um

00:29:27triggered okay yeah i uh was specifically told by jesse that she never had said that she was gonna

00:29:38leave me for that piece i didn't say i was gonna leave you for him i told marciano that's what i'm

00:29:44most likely i'm gonna leave my husband because i'm unhappy right i never said it was for him and

00:29:47i've told you that that footage is what that said he said he didn't say for me and i never said for

00:29:54him i may have put that in my own head then yeah okay well then yeah jesse the results of the lie

00:30:01detector tests were inconclusive at parts yeah specifically the parts about contact with marciano

00:30:09besides two kisses we got the results results are in have you ever had sexual intercourse with marciano

00:30:15it says no true yeah you're good on that one number two besides those two kisses have you ever had any

00:30:22sexual physical contact marciano no

00:30:24no inconclusive wait what can you say i know that looks so bad i was like so in the moment

00:30:34when she asked that question i was like okay nothing else happened besides those two kisses

00:30:38honestly but in my head i was like okay well i did touch his arm like he did grab me here like

00:30:43there were things like that but i'm like i don't want to say yes so i said no and then it

00:30:46came back that way so i understand why because in my head i was having that internal battle

00:30:51at this point though like i know my truth it did say we didn't have sex and i'm glad that

00:30:55that was cleared up and genuinely nothing else happened and at this point i would also say it

00:31:00because also yeah what do you have to lose at this point like in half the time i've wanted to leave

00:31:05jordan it would give me a reason genuinely and i've told him that can i ask you guys just everybody

00:31:11you watch marciano talk like that the way that he talks how do you give anything that he says any

00:31:17credibility whatsoever i think that's why it's so messy is because you can't well we know

00:31:22we're just using the facts that we've seen too yeah it's not what marciano is off his phone it's

00:31:28not what marciano is saying we clearly know he speaks in riddles when you guys were

00:31:32at the villa in england you guys seemed okay with marciano no no i i wasn't these yeah i will be honest

00:31:40i never turned it up with them yeah not not me he did seem like he was a nice guy there he was

00:31:45charismatic he stayed out of the drama like i felt like he was respectful to jordan so it was

00:31:50confusing okay demi what do you say about continuing on a friendship and relationship with him after

00:31:59what you're accusing him of yeah i mean we have to separate the two because you can be sexually

00:32:05assaulted and then also continue a relationship so one doesn't have to take away from the other

00:32:10and why i did that i think honestly just boils down to a trauma response and having a lack of

00:32:18boundaries and feeling like i needed to make excuses for what happened and also to keep

00:32:24what happened quiet because i didn't want it to come out and like the best way to describe it is the

00:32:30hell that i've been through for the past year and the women who didn't understand like well why didn't

00:32:35you want that to come out i don't understand how that doesn't affect you it's weird though and i'm

00:32:39again i'm not trying to call you a liar to this day he will double down on a few things and one

00:32:44of those things is when we're demi and i were leaving the villa we kissed on the lips no i did

00:32:49not because it was off camera jen when you say things like it was off camera why are you saying that

00:32:54as though you know to me i've seen enough things did happen between demi and marciano whether she

00:33:00wants to admit it or not i mean she was literally right next to him like grabbing his hands like

00:33:06googly eyes like talking laughing like it for sure did not seem like a married woman was talking to

00:33:15another single man with boundaries did you see anything happen off camera i i hate to say the

00:33:21word but like again i just haven't seen any accountability did you see anything no i happened

00:33:27no i didn't i did it why did you say you did why are you saying why did you why did you threaten

00:33:33because of the shit i've gone through for the past year jen which you don't fucking understand because

00:33:39you've never been sexually assaulted yes i actually have uh she has she has and i haven't she has

00:33:43okay that's great talk then why then have some fucking respect yeah because i was too it goes please

00:33:50i'm not talking to you you're talking to my wife yeah i'm talking to your wife i'm talking to your

00:33:54wife then talk respectfully i will talk to her how i feel like she deserves to be talked to i've done

00:33:59nothing to jen she's made my life i'm living you've done nothing to me you bullied me i bullied you

00:34:05after you went you sat in the thing we're here for you we know what happened we're over on your side

00:34:10five seconds later you turn to mikaela and go if she comes for me next season i'm exposing this

00:34:15what the is wrong with you what the actual is wrong with your brain

00:34:24what the is wrong with you what the actual is wrong with your brain how do you feel about

00:34:29your wife texting the word come to another man how do you feel about that jen listen no listen to what

00:34:35i'm going to tell you just listen i'll answer your question answer my question i'm asking i started

00:34:38asking how do you how do you feel about that the word come so just with respect is that appropriate

00:34:42with respect just listen okay but it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated okay

00:34:49it's got to go both ways i don't understand if you want to be heard out you got to care other

00:34:52people here's the problem because there's 20 different things that we could say you're the

00:34:55one telling people to shut their fucking mouth all right zach come on but don't don't i'm not going

00:35:00to be disrespectful to jen don't be just disrespectful to me please please not being

00:35:07the question i have for you is she's telling me to shut my fucking mouth

00:35:13are you trying to avoid my question i don't understand why you keep interrupting please

00:35:16jen i am asking you if you didn't see the things that you said you saw why did you say you did why

00:35:24did you say you saw her sitting on his lap why did you say you saw her kiss him on the lips and before

00:35:30you answer just know there's there's footage like the whole thing was filmed we just need to stop this

00:35:34is clearly not the place okay so i feel like why don't we talk about demi and jesse's relationship

00:35:40their friendship you guys were best friends thick as thieves always together and now it's like how

00:35:48would you describe your friendship today i watched it fall apart yeah i would say that we've made strides

00:35:54and we've talked about things but i have walls up because i don't fully trust and i think she did

00:35:58multiple things to me back to back to back to back so i i don't quite understand certain things and i

00:36:04think because of that i still have a huge guard up to me how do you feel about her your friendship

00:36:08yeah it's almost as though we haven't had conversations like when i hear her say that

00:36:12and it's like i don't understand to me i'm confused because we've talked this through so many times my

00:36:18intention from start to finish was so that this never fucking came to light and in placating and being

00:36:26nice to marciano he was gonna go on a podcast and i was like shit i need to control how this plays out

00:36:33why were you so involved in my story i was trying to keep him at bay i understand because i did it

00:36:40but i was trying to hide something i did wrong so why did you feel like you had to placate because i

00:36:44didn't want to go through what i've been going through the past year and have to talk about this

00:36:47at all i feel like this is an impossible situation because right before this we just saw you know

00:36:53everyone's talking about sexual assault and you clearly see demi crying and like that's a super

00:36:58sensitive topic i think the reason we want to have these conversations is because when we say it

00:37:02it doesn't add up we're not trying to say you're a liar discredit you but like in our minds from

00:37:06what we know it doesn't macy how uncomfortable would it be if you got and i'm sorry i'm not

00:37:12trying to be insensitive but you got raped by your abuser or you got slapped or whatever and then

00:37:17afterwards you're like i love you and then later they're like macy it's really weird that you said i

00:37:22love you

00:37:22i don't like when you do that being in a relationship with someone is so different

00:37:28than someone you knew for two days i'm sorry the problem is that you are becoming the the

00:37:32judge jury and executioner as to how she reacted well she put me in a really bad position so i have

00:37:37every right to question her too i'm sorry this is a tit for tat for you yeah it has to be this is

00:37:42bullshit and i'm about to walk off then go how do we get to the bottom of this if people why are you

00:37:50acting this way towards me you would be because i'm still confused i want answers it's all these

00:37:54things where we're like this doesn't add up i just don't appreciate the lies the lies piss me off so

00:37:59bad because it's affected my life for the past year in a very negative way and jen's off living her

00:38:05merry life on dancing with the stars raking in dollar bills and i'm a lying villain you don't think

00:38:10bullying me affected me sweetie how did i bully you how did you bully me you treated me like

00:38:17shit you were lying about me and then you want expected me to have this wave of empathy for you

00:38:23because you were having a hard time

00:38:27i think that this is this is going to have to be a larger conversation i don't think this is going to be

00:38:32wrapped up today i think too much but do you see what we just have what we just we want to talk

00:38:37about i truly hope you all can find a way to move forward with all of this but we need to move on

00:38:45with the reunion we have another guest coming i am kindly requesting all of your cooperation our next

00:38:53guest only agreed to participate if the ladies of mom talk exited the stage while their interview takes

00:38:59place out of respect for that request i am asking taylor macy michaela jen jesse layla miranda demi and

00:39:10whitney to follow our stage manager back to their dressing rooms where they can continue watching the

00:39:16reunions

00:39:25the means example where she if there weren't cameras they would have been like oh did i

00:39:28physically assault you would you tell people that that i was like that i put my hands on you which

00:39:34is an assault like i i for a while i was like am i gonna get strung out as like someone who hits

00:39:39girls all because of you know she was at an emotional high and i think i'd love to chat with

00:39:45her about that because i've never been able to our experiences are valid and it's like muddied because

00:39:50of this stupid fucking asshole that's lied and sorry but jen who's lied and put all these things

00:39:57in your head that never happened okay she's not telling why she's telling her experience and she

00:40:02saw you be flirting in the villa and so did all of us i will never put myself in a situation like that

00:40:06again and that sucks especially when you've been in that situation and it like brings up old stuff

00:40:12like then you start really blaming yourself for like what they do it's more painful to not be believed

00:40:19than to say or not to go over it over and over and over and feel the pain of past things than to just

00:40:26say yeah we kissed yeah this happened i'd rather something happened at this point it's excruciating

00:40:34and it's ruining my reputation and we hear you and we hear you on that i'm sorry

00:40:54i want to go home

00:41:04don't feel like you have to go out there no i feel like i have to for me okay for you then let's

00:41:09fucking do it let's do it i want you to really feel like you're up to it every part of me wants to

00:41:15run and i'm like no you're gonna stay like you deserve to be here and like you're not gonna let

00:41:21them win did demie leave leave she might have i heard this wailing and i was like what was that noise

00:41:27and she's outside talking to somebody i saw brett talking yeah right so i don't know if she was

00:41:31leaving or not okay i know that was a lot but we do have a special guest waiting to come out

00:41:38and i'm like oh my gosh did he so he's been watching this whole thing welcome back to the

00:41:54secret lives of mormon wives season three reunion against all odds and expectations we have dakota

00:42:01here with me and the rest of dad talk tensions between mom talk and dad talk took a toll on

00:42:07many of our cast members this season and in an effort to speak his truth dakota agreed to join

00:42:13us tonight on the condition that taylor and the rest of mom talk be backstage can we turn this up a

00:42:18little bit dakota i was rooting for you and taylor's relationship and now you can't even be on the same

00:42:24stage with her why are you little bit you have to admit it's kind of crazy yeah you kicked the girls

00:42:31okay off of their own stage i'm just gonna say that was a little more dramatic than i thought it

00:42:36was gonna be it wasn't supposed to be like that none of the husbands are getting six tonight that's

00:42:40special con already did before 8 a.m yeah wow i know all i wanted was just to be able to have like

00:42:46a good conversation and i think most people would agree that like when me and taylor are together it's

00:42:51really hard for us to just talk so that was really my own only thing i think that's fair

00:42:57your relationship with taylor has gotten to a point where she'll be looking for love on the next

00:43:03season of the bachelorette what happened let's take a look how are you how are things you had him like

00:43:10for 11 days i did it was like good bonding for us really yeah well i'm sure well yeah i feel so close

00:43:17to him the goal is to have healthy co-parenting and to focus on our healing individually i am not

00:43:27going to be in a relationship until i'm in a healthier spot my roommate went missing this morning

00:43:36yes we had sex like obviously how about that i love you last night if ever there was a future for

00:43:43dakota and i there would have to be no more lies no more secrets are taylor and dakota back together

00:43:49i'm not trying to snitch but during one of the times they were broken up leanne's friend she started

00:43:55like hitting on him and it kind of turned sexual this is the fourth girl now and it's like it's a

00:44:00family number i hate you i don't think you like understand how big of a deal this is

00:44:05i just like want your full transparency dakota came clean to me there's never been anything going

00:44:14on between me and dakota i literally would have only invited him over to cry it out or whatever cry it

00:44:20out and then you haven't been happy for three years i did my mediation taylor i'm glad that you

00:44:31took the initiative to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries i have no choice we're

00:44:38done sorry can you throw me that water real quick do we make you nervous yeah you guys did he's sweating

00:44:46he's like hey what lies have you covered up right now how are you and taylor now i don't i mean i think

00:44:51probably not good if i had to say like i and i don't like that like i wish it was uh i wish it was

00:45:02better but i just think the emotions are still like really high okay in your words what happened

00:45:09with taylor's family friend it's been over two years now um so i think when this happened me and taylor

00:45:16were together for like 10 months we were both in a very toxic cycle for me anyways it was like i was

00:45:23always getting broken up with and this was like the first like time where she broke up with me where

00:45:28i guess for me it felt like very legit like it felt like it was real for me this lady that i had met

00:45:35through taylor's family he's embarrassing me and was just checking in on me because obviously she

00:45:40had heard what happened and she was just like being super nice um and then it wasn't it didn't

00:45:47like get weird did you guys talk about taylor yeah it was about her relationship yeah so like you can

00:45:53fight it in her yeah it was just about like how how crappy it is and like how sad i am okay let's see

00:45:59what he lies about and then i'll go out there and clear it up and then it got to a point to where

00:46:05i'm trying to think of exactly step by step but it was like yeah think about those lies you're gonna

00:46:09tell her she's just making him feel like a fool it's not that hard to do it's just the facts and

00:46:15then like out of nowhere i feel like she kind of like came on to me which that i think just kind of

00:46:23surprised me given in that moment like i didn't actually think that was going to happen if again

00:46:29that's just my opinion like i really didn't think that was going to happen and then uh and then from

00:46:36there it was like even the pictures we sent like what pictures did you yeah by the way

00:46:42no no i'm getting to it i just want to make sure i explain this because i don't want things twisted

00:46:46like even on the the episode i watched one of them and it was like taylor was questioning me i was

00:46:50like oh there was only one picture sent there's only one picture sent i was referring to she only

00:46:55sent me one picture there was multiple pictures send but she only sent me one picture so you sent

00:47:01no no no i only sent one more picture so there's two two pictures what was it what was the picture

00:47:06of um it was a silhouette so in the silhouette like it was so dark like if i'm being honest

00:47:16it wasn't super sexual to me like just because of how dark the picture was what prompted the pic

00:47:23oh yeah this is what i was gonna say so and i think what even prop i think what even prompted the

00:47:28picture was that we were talking about like the gym working out uh being in good shape like things

00:47:34like that conversation had turned away from you and taylor's relationship yeah i guess yeah it turned

00:47:39to like that just at that night time just towards the night there who gives a what time it is

00:47:48night and then i sent a picture of my shirt off dumb as shit i agree it was stupid i'm not saying it's

00:47:56not stupid yes it was that like flirty though her picture to you and hell yeah that's where yeah

00:48:02already i was like okay this is like uh yeah like it but you and taylor weren't together no no she broke

00:48:08up with me i'm about to go out there and literally annihilate him and then out of nowhere she like

00:48:15freaked out like and was like delete everything delete everything

00:48:19i think it made me have to kind of be like oh damn like this is like a big big deal keep going

00:48:30well go ahead with your eyes lies what part where have i left oh i don't want to sit by him you can

00:48:34go can i i don't want to sit by him can you give me that water you look pretty keep going all right

00:48:40i will let me drink welcome ladies thank you thank you so taylor what is not tracking for you

00:48:45um i mean i think you can kind of gauge when you're stuttering you're like well wait wait give

00:48:50me a second that's when you're having to keep up with lies you knew the extent of what she was so

00:48:54don't go back on that now does that make sense yeah i see what you're saying that's my point

00:48:58dakota would just be like i messed up i was so dumb of me he would just look so much better i think you

00:49:06know that this was fucked up because you confided in jordan about it a hundred percent okay so you

00:49:12understand why taylor is yes enraged right right okay yeah so what are you trying to defend defend

00:49:22i think it comes off as you kind of defending as if it's not i think can invalidate how it feels well

00:49:28i think i do that just given the fact that i think you're never just sorry yeah like if you didn't

00:49:32have any new information you must be here to fully apologize or something well i think the context

00:49:42of what i just said is new like i watched the episode and i feel like there was multiple things

00:49:46that were skewed in there what i think that's fair like it was exactly what i thought yeah there was

00:49:52there was but it's exaggerated i felt like it made it seem like i cheated on you like that is cheating

00:49:57to me okay but yet you can do it right i never did when you're broke up when you broke up with me

00:50:02you can go fuck someone else and then come fuck me right okay so a year later oh we were broke up we

00:50:07were broke up though right oh my god okay and your friends will tell you the same thing they'll say

00:50:12you don't owe him that did i cheat does anyone consider that cheating uh so you're broken up

00:50:16and me moving right so how is that cheating what i did if i was i don't feel like this is about

00:50:20cheating it's who it is but she's saying she's with it's who it's with leila i know i'm saying

00:50:27then let me just talk do you see how the whole thing changed like when you come out and you're just

00:50:31firing shots at me like i i wanted to just talk this is where i wanted to this was my whole point

00:50:36go i've apologized to you like a hundred times you've never meant it though yes i have i've wrote

00:50:40you letters saying sorry a hundred times i've done everything you said hey i weeded out a bad

00:50:45friend this is me just trying wait what he said i hey i weeded out a bad friend in your family oh my

00:50:50gosh this is this is what i'm talking about like this is where this is why i can't do this

00:50:54are you still on speaking terms with this person no my entire family disowned her no yeah she was

00:51:01my friend too like that's what like she would see me cry and struggle and all these things with dakota

00:51:06be helping me when i think she was a snake in the grass it's disgusting do you feel like you owe her

00:51:12parents an apology a hundred percent and i reached out to your mom and asked her well he was making

00:51:17threats to taylor is so wild this is because i come out with the truth didn't you just sex me last night

00:51:23you should tell your new boyfriend that we're gonna move the one that you like a lot didn't

00:51:26you just say that today oh you should probably tell him how you were talking to me last night

00:51:30oh look at that we have look at you denying it i don't have a boyfriend i'm single i am single

00:51:35just take a couple of breaths this is getting a little crazy you should have him show because

00:51:39he's lying we're gonna move out of this i want to go back to leanne and jeremy i mean this is the

00:51:43worst time for me to do it i was actually going to do it and it was going to be very genuine but now

00:51:47it's like i'm so heated yeah this is not giving happy holidays okay let's welcome in

00:51:52leanne and jeremy i need a dunking refresher obviously berry sangria yes there you go thank you

00:52:13welcome back to the secret lives of mormon wives season three reunion we've had more drama than a

00:52:20high school christmas pageant we have mom talk and dad talk here with us along with leanne and jeremy

00:52:26and demi and brett to me i know you had a rough time out there and i really appreciate you coming

00:52:33back yeah thank you dakota has something he'd like to say to taylor's parents but first brett has

00:52:39something he'd like to get off his chest um i'd like to apologize to miranda um in my heated phone

00:52:44conversation with me said something that i don't mean even remotely we had a brief conversation with

00:52:51miranda and she just basically was insinuating that i'm a liar and you said chase shoved you

00:52:57and i'm like well i don't know what would you call it i don't know what to call it he came up and

00:53:01pushed my hip what i said was unacceptable and it was really representative of how i was feeling

00:53:13about this situation as a whole just feeling like the whole thing was just so kind of out of bounds

00:53:18and so trashy the way that i felt like she was being treated and you were the last person that she

00:53:24interacted with so unfortunately you were you were on the receiving end of kind of the pinnacle of my

00:53:29frustration and you didn't deserve that and i'm really sorry it was tensions were really high at

00:53:35that time i do wish that you know this wasn't just happening on camera i wish maybe it was something

00:53:41that was said earlier and i'm not saying that i don't that it's not an authentic apology i just i

00:53:46do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate i i just so you know i felt sick to my

00:53:51stomach just hearing myself i didn't even remember saying that i was like seeing red in the moment

00:53:57and i really my apology really is sincere i i really am sorry i appreciate it thank you yay one

00:54:04apology accepted dakota i know there's something you'd like to say to leanne so just go ahead uh

00:54:13obviously i i know that i've fucked up i just think like i think i knew i was gonna lose you guys

00:54:21and that i don't know i think i kind of numbed out maybe a little bit and i think it was just hard to

00:54:32me and taylor obviously we're just not in a good place and that i think it was just like even harder

00:54:39but i am truly sorry because i know that that caused a lot of pain obviously for taylor but for you guys as

00:54:46well in your family and i don't think i realized the magnitude maybe of even what i did i don't

00:54:54expect you guys to forgive me i don't expect anything like that but i do just want you to know

00:54:59like i know i messed up i i know that i caused a lot of pain for all of you guys and that's all i can do

00:55:08right now is i'm sorry leanne jeremy i just don't understand like why why yeah you do that behind

00:55:22behind your girlfriend that's pregnant with your baby that's sickening i think that bugs me dakota

00:55:30you're just like one of those people that you just can't help but to love but then you get really

00:55:36get to know you you're not that person you're just a different person like behind closed doors you

00:55:43have your virtue you're it's like been taken away you're so dishonest you're so like i just don't know

00:55:49how you could keep lying and you know what the thing that hurts the most is that she's my kid and

00:55:55you hurt my grandbaby like you hurt ever he's the one that's gonna pay for all your guys's crappy

00:56:03decisions that you both have made i can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's

00:56:11all bullshit dude you have proven yourself time and time again that nothing that comes out of your

00:56:17mouth is just spewing bullshit so i can't accept any sorry from you or nothing i mean our last reunion he

00:56:26was sitting here crying and our host was asking do you think you can be an honest person he's crying

00:56:33yes i've said everything i said it all like i can do this yes i love taylor but he's still lying about

00:56:38right i didn't know i learned after the reunion i'll do anything to uh just like have that opportunity

00:56:47to be with her and my family and um this is so hard because that's like i just went about everything

00:57:00the worst way taylor dakota where do you guys think you go from here as co-parents i would obviously

00:57:07love to get to a spot of like being cordial for the sake of our son because he ultimately my mom is

00:57:13saying he's the one who is this gonna suffer from all of this this is a law on me that i chose him to

00:57:19be his dad wait are you don't think i'm a good dad taylor are you gonna let me finish so i feel when i

00:57:26look at ever i'm like this is my fault i did this i chose to do this i'm so sorry that i chose to have

00:57:32a child with this person however they feel they're they're justified the one thing i want to just stand

00:57:37on as i've seen him be a dad and like i think dakota is a great dad i will never ever have anyone

00:57:43tell me i'm not okay because i know that with every single fiber in my heart okay i i just like you know

00:57:49it taylor out of anybody you know how much i care about ever did you listen i said it's on me i feel

00:57:54guilty it's how you wording things about it i mean every word i think it's not about this you know we

00:58:00were giving you the opportunity to apologize yeah to them you you did they don't accept that apology

00:58:09that's fine um i we can't just like keep yeah keep at it keep at it like we can't do that that's it

00:58:17i'm done i'm just gonna say i just feel for dakota honestly did i care for him absolutely is this

00:58:36painful duh i loved him i wanted to be with him i had a child with him so yes it's painful hurts to

00:58:44co-parent to this very day i do it every day and it's the worst thing i've ever done i'm so sorry

00:58:50you went through that thank you that's awful it's gross yeah well guys i appreciate all of you being

00:58:58here and sharing your truth and thank you everyone at home for watching a very tense reunion there's no

00:59:06place like home for the holidays and let me tell you i am thrilled to get on that plane in two hours

00:59:12there will be plenty more excitement in season four so happy holidays and thank you for watching

00:59:32i'm the one you've been dreaming of i got everything you could ever want try me in your seat i'll bring

00:59:41bring it to your knees baby

00:59:43yes baby

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