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00:00:00I'm so excited to be here so glad it's you because I know you're totally like unbiased. Thank you. I've been in your shoes
00:00:08The holidays are a time for joy. She was a snake in the fucking grass. It's disgusting
00:00:13I didn't say I was gonna leave you for him. I told Marziano
00:00:16That's why I'm most likely I'm gonna leave my husband cuz I'm unhappy for celebration
00:00:20How do you feel about your wife texting would come to another man? How do you feel about that? To leave the room?
00:00:26I want to go home
00:00:29To fa-la-la-la lose your fucking mind. I just don't know how you could keep lying
00:00:34What the fuck is wrong with you? Just take a couple of breaths on camera to Layla?
00:00:38You're like I don't care about just she's a fucking liar and cheater tis the damn secret lives of Mormon wives season three reunion y'all
00:00:46Merry mom talk Christmas
00:00:56After the baby
00:01:03Today's gonna be fun. I know. Yeah, I'm a little nervous. I look different this season
00:01:07You look genuine like just like who you are
00:01:11Well, we'll see if Taylor shows up today. Yeah, what actually? Yeah, I heard it was messy
00:01:17So basically why wouldn't she come? Dakota told me yesterday. She was like I'm not coming tomorrow
00:01:22If Dakota's coming is Dakota coming and we'll see
00:01:29You guys I lost my wedding ring is that like a sign I have
00:01:32I think you've had a lot of other signs. The one that Sydney made and all my bands gone
00:01:37Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me
00:01:40So you guys have big issue with Brett is that what I need to understand here? I don't care to talk to him
00:01:45I don't care to interact with him. Apparently Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist
00:01:50I think Demi and Brett specifically they have more skeletons in their closet and so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen
00:01:57It it covers them up and it's so exhausting and so annoying
00:02:04Welcome what's going on?
00:02:06Are you okay?
00:02:08Yeah, great. Come on out with it. I mean, I will have all day for that
00:02:13Maybe use this as like a opportunity to get everything off of your chest. Maybe it's the fucker's not here
00:02:25He's gonna watch it obviously stupid brain won't shut up like I'm like getting ready. I'm like already heated and I'm like shut
00:02:31I'm like
00:02:40Dear Heavenly Father we want to thank thee for the opportunity we have to come together today
00:02:45we pray that we can have the strength to
00:02:48Stand by our own principles and our own values as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ
00:02:55Amen
00:02:57All right, you guys see your lives season three
00:03:02Gorgeous gorgeous girl
00:03:07You look beautiful you do too. Thank you. Is this your first posting? No, I did villa
00:03:13So this is my second. Oh reunion you hosted. Yeah, okay. I didn't watch it for obvious reasons
00:03:19But it wasn't because of you. Yeah, no
00:03:25I would love to hear your truth threat like just tell us where you're coming from the biggest problem
00:03:32I think I have with everybody is
00:03:35The knee-jerk reaction
00:03:37To to me saying that she was a victim was to not believe her the only reason I ever brought up you having sex with
00:03:43Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened. It didn't happen. He did tell us you guys kissed
00:03:49So I'm hearing that yeah false. There was not a kiss in the mouth
00:03:53There was two ass grabs if he actually assaulted you. Why did you continue to talk to him?
00:04:00Just the classic case of victim blaming
00:04:03Can we agree that she was like flirting and having long conversations and like building a relationship with the guy like she just met?
00:04:10She wasn't building a relationship with him not flirty at all
00:04:12You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum
00:04:17I'm not wired like you, bud. You should rewire yourself. Oh, yeah, that's disturbing. Okay. All right, little guy
00:04:24It's the lulu land, dude. What'd you say you guys live in a different universe?
00:04:29I had no idea that pathological
00:04:32Contagious, but I guess it is
00:04:35I don't even know why you're here. Just walk away
00:04:38Everyone's being nice to you people just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person
00:04:42Hey, the feeling's neutral dipshit just so you know good, and it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice
00:04:48Oh nice, bro. You're a fake guy
00:04:49I think that's a little steep and I don't think anything good is gonna come from talking like that
00:04:54Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute watch
00:04:57Nice to finally meet you in person. I know I've heard a lot and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like
00:05:04You remind me of stasi
00:05:06Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like I want to see and now
00:05:09I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s. It's not who you are now
00:05:14I'm sure. Oh, is it like a long time ago? Yeah, I was like 22 when it's when I started it. I'm 37 now
00:05:19I am your elder that's the crazy thing to me
00:05:22Zach all right, let's just let's just watch this. You're good. I'm gonna
00:05:25I'm gonna keep talking. I don't care to talk to you. I don't care to talk to me
00:05:28I don't care to talk about any of that stuff. That's your story. The feeling's mutual bud
00:05:34And I'm gonna talk to you
00:05:36I'm here so we're gonna talk
00:05:38Welcome to the secret lives of mormon wives the season three reunion
00:05:42I'm your host stasi schroeder and the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you
00:05:50We've decked the halls lined the trees and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry mormon wives to look back at a very memorable season
00:05:59ladies
00:06:00I am dazzled i'm delighted to be a part of this not just because i am a huge fan
00:06:06But because like I have been exactly in your shoes
00:06:10I've dated the bad boy argued allegations had the fallouts and managed the fame last time
00:06:16This cast was on this stage y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room
00:06:23Since then we've had some very exciting updates. Take a look
00:06:27It's like 3 45 in the morning and my water just broke
00:06:33I'm nervous
00:06:34My cat
00:06:39I'm so excited
00:06:43I'm so sick.
00:06:45I look crazy.
00:06:47Hey!
00:06:53Oh wait, so cute.
00:06:55Mikaela, did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower?
00:06:58No, honestly, I was so blacked out at that point, like I was in another planet.
00:07:02But no, it was a little monitoring strap.
00:07:05Oh, Macy and Mikaela, there's a conspiracy theory that you both named your daughters Charlotte.
00:07:12Is this true?
00:07:14We actually didn't.
00:07:15We didn't.
00:07:16That was a joke?
00:07:17It's a conspiracy.
00:07:18No.
00:07:19Shut the fuck up.
00:07:21I always liked the name Lottie.
00:07:22It was like my one that I had throughout that I was like, okay, I'm sticking to this.
00:07:25Yeah, it's so cute.
00:07:26And I knew that Macy had Charlie on her list.
00:07:28I didn't even know what name she was naming her baby until like two days after birth.
00:07:32Wait, so you guys, neither of your child's name is Charlotte?
00:07:35No.
00:07:36No.
00:07:37I was God.
00:07:39Jen, you shared so much about like your struggles while you were pregnant.
00:07:45I think it's just like prenatal like depression.
00:07:50I think I first started feeling depressed when I realized what needed to change in my life
00:07:57and in my marriage.
00:07:59But it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant that I truly hit rock bottom.
00:08:05I don't even know what happened yesterday.
00:08:08Oh, Jen.
00:08:09Oh my God.
00:08:11How are you feeling now, postpartum?
00:08:16Yeah.
00:08:17Um, sorry.
00:08:18Aw.
00:08:19Oh my gosh.
00:08:20I'm sorry.
00:08:21It's just crazy to see how far I've come.
00:08:27It's just me.
00:08:28Sorry.
00:08:29It's okay.
00:08:30Oh my gosh.
00:08:31Little Penny with so much hair.
00:08:33It's just crazy to see her now.
00:08:38I just love her so much.
00:08:39And she's like literally everything to me.
00:08:43I remember when I found out I was pregnant with her, I was genuinely disappointed because
00:08:48I felt like I wasn't ready, but everything happens for a reason.
00:08:52And she is like the reason why I'm healed to this day.
00:08:56Sorry.
00:08:57I'm sure people have reached out to you about, oh my gosh, thank you for being so open about
00:09:02what you went through because you are helping people right now.
00:09:05Yes.
00:09:06Oh yeah.
00:09:07Prenatal depression and postpartum is not talked about enough.
00:09:10Rewatching that just made me realize like, oh my gosh, like I can't believe I'm here and
00:09:14I'm in a better place and I feel like I'm genuinely happier and it's because of her.
00:09:20So.
00:09:21I love that.
00:09:22Our babies always save us.
00:09:23They really do.
00:09:24Yeah.
00:09:25I don't know how we did it.
00:09:26Let's just talk.
00:09:27Okay.
00:09:28I genuinely want to know.
00:09:29Let's start over.
00:09:30Seriously.
00:09:31Where I am hurt and have feelings towards you and to me is, you know, the hell that I
00:09:35was going through.
00:09:36I came to you.
00:09:37Like I looked up to you as like this older, you know, person I could get advice from.
00:09:40And I felt like we talked and you gave me a lot of good advice.
00:09:43I'm sorry to hear that.
00:09:45I genuinely am.
00:09:46And I didn't know the extent to which Jen was hurting.
00:09:51Come here.
00:09:52Was that thought you were going to beat my ass?
00:09:54I'm not going to do that.
00:09:55Me.
00:09:56How are you?
00:09:57I'm good.
00:09:58How are you?
00:09:59You're back in mom talk.
00:10:00I'm back.
00:10:01No, I was shocked.
00:10:02Whitney came back because dancing with the stars.
00:10:05But I didn't know why you came back.
00:10:08I just felt like there was unfinished business.
00:10:10Yeah.
00:10:11And I felt like there was a pattern of self-sabotage and watching myself back.
00:10:15I'm like, oh, there's my shadow.
00:10:17There's like the sides of me that need to be healed.
00:10:19And for me, I'm like, no, I deserve to be here.
00:10:21And I have, you know, a story to tell.
00:10:23So, yeah.
00:10:24I'm excited.
00:10:25I'm excited to be back.
00:10:26Well, good to have you here.
00:10:28From breakups to makeups and a few massive shakeups.
00:10:32Mom talk and co have kept things moving and kept us guessing.
00:10:36So tonight we're leaving no stone unturned, no tea unspelled and no Duncan refresher unstirred.
00:10:43We will be joined by a slew of surprise guests popping in as our fabulous Duncan sip and tellers at our Duncan Bev bar.
00:10:52Let's get to the chase.
00:10:53Oh, no.
00:10:54Oh, no.
00:10:55Oh, no.
00:10:56Oh, no.
00:10:57Oh, no.
00:10:58Ladies.
00:10:59I love it.
00:11:00Mom talk.
00:11:01How we doing?
00:11:04Apparently, I was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender.
00:11:08That's a full-blown lie.
00:11:10Maybe Taylor.
00:11:11No.
00:11:12We got some drinks for everyone here.
00:11:15Snacks.
00:11:16Just stay behind the bar.
00:11:17I don't need to get touched again.
00:11:18At least you used touched instead of shoved.
00:11:20I know.
00:11:21Taylor.
00:11:22Chase.
00:11:24Here you go.
00:11:25Oh, it's really good.
00:11:26We've got some questions for you, Chase.
00:11:28Is it weird to be sitting like behind Taylor?
00:11:31I'm normally next door.
00:11:33Oh.
00:11:34Oh, Lord.
00:11:35He'd rather be on top or bottom, though.
00:11:37Let's talk about your date.
00:11:39Um.
00:11:43Should we kiss for a friend's sake?
00:11:48Taylor, did you know it was a date?
00:11:51Mm.
00:11:52No, not really.
00:11:53I think it was like he wanted to just apologize.
00:11:55I don't know why it's such a big deal.
00:11:57I'm not married to Miranda anymore.
00:11:58Okay.
00:11:59Miranda, did you know about this date?
00:12:03From what I heard, it was a coffee meetup to put water into the bridge.
00:12:08That's what I heard.
00:12:09That's not a date.
00:12:10It just felt like there were a few details left out.
00:12:14And that's really where my confusion came from.
00:12:17Right.
00:12:18Okay.
00:12:19I mean, I would be annoyed, too.
00:12:20So, yeah.
00:12:21Chase.
00:12:22Taylor.
00:12:23Where do you guys think you go from here?
00:12:30We'll see.
00:12:31Okay.
00:12:32All right.
00:12:33So, it looks like we're all going to have to watch this on season four.
00:12:38And we have so much to get through.
00:12:40Thanks, Chase, for the sip and telling.
00:12:44All right.
00:12:47You know we love a little game around here.
00:12:49So, tonight, whether you're sipping on hot cocoa, a cola, or a Cosmo, we've got a buzzword for you.
00:12:57Every time you hear the word accountability, we invite all of you at home to take a sip.
00:13:03We're going to get alcohol poisoning.
00:13:05You still can't sit here and just take accountability.
00:13:07Say, you're right.
00:13:08I'm here for this.
00:13:09I know that's your favorite word.
00:13:11Oh, God.
00:13:12The accountability.
00:13:13It's like the favorite word.
00:13:16Jessie took accountability.
00:13:17And I take full accountability.
00:13:19But again, this is to take accountability.
00:13:21The lack of accountability.
00:13:22You're just taking accountability.
00:13:23We don't hear any accountabilities.
00:13:25I get it.
00:13:26Should we look up the definition?
00:13:27Because I think a lot of people in this group don't even know what it means.
00:13:30Accountability is the state of being held responsible for something or someone.
00:13:35Take accountability.
00:13:36Accountability.
00:13:37Accountability.
00:13:38I'm not even going to say the word accountability.
00:13:40Holy shit.
00:13:41We use that word way too much.
00:13:42But take accountability.
00:13:44I love the accountability.
00:13:45I love the accountability.
00:13:47That scene alone had like 12.
00:13:49I'm the only one not in that montage.
00:13:51I don't buy into it.
00:13:52Oh, God.
00:13:53Jessie.
00:13:54What'd she say?
00:13:55She said, I'm probably not in that montage.
00:13:56No, that was Jordan.
00:13:57Wow, Jessie Goldstar.
00:13:58Whitney, at one point this past season, you called the other women your coworkers.
00:14:03Like what inspired this change of heart?
00:14:06Because it looked like overnight you were like, I want everyone to be friends again.
00:14:10Honestly, I feel like it was more so during press week.
00:14:13I think like it was just to me and I, and then it was everyone else.
00:14:17These were huge milestones that we were all accomplishing together.
00:14:21So I was like, it's kind of sad that like, we can't even be work friends.
00:14:25Macy, I want to ask you why she went to you to heal mom talk.
00:14:29At first, when she approached me, I was like, this is a bad idea.
00:14:32And then I was like, okay, well, we can try it.
00:14:35And I can't make any promises that people aren't going to break out in a fight.
00:14:38But I think it was cool because it took every single one of us had to be vulnerable and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did.
00:14:44It went better than I thought it did.
00:14:45It went better than I thought it would.
00:14:47Yeah.
00:14:48I feel like I'm good with every single one of you.
00:14:50I would consider every single one of you one of my friends.
00:14:53Yeah.
00:14:54Well, the guys have been patiently waiting backstage, but I think it's time we bring them out to join the fun.
00:15:01Dad talk.
00:15:02Come on out.
00:15:05See you out there.
00:15:06I'm nervous about going.
00:15:07I don't know what you heard about me, but I am the is.
00:15:11Here to join in on the fun are Jace, Jordan, Connor, Zach, and Jacob.
00:15:18I was just in London filming the next season of Vanderpump Villa, and some of you guys were there.
00:15:23How was the villa, guys?
00:15:26Zach, why did you turn bright red?
00:15:28I just saw some things.
00:15:30Oh, what?
00:15:31Oh, what'd you see?
00:15:32Saw or heard or both?
00:15:33Those aren't my secrets to share.
00:15:35I will say he was a little testy when he came home from London.
00:15:37So I was like, you've been hanging out with Jordan too much?
00:15:39He's a little spicy.
00:15:41He's not usually spicy.
00:15:43What happened in England?
00:15:44You're going to have to wait and tune in.
00:15:46Just wait.
00:15:47Hey.
00:15:48All right.
00:15:49More of that on season four of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
00:15:53Now, if you need a drink at home, grab a chaser.
00:15:56And for anyone here, just grab Chase.
00:15:58Let's see who else is behind the bar.
00:15:59I'll turn the quarter off.
00:16:00Cute.
00:16:01Mason, why is your shirt on?
00:16:02So you guys are official?
00:16:03Mm-hmm.
00:16:04Official, official.
00:16:05Mm-hmm.
00:16:06How are you?
00:16:07Good.
00:16:08Good.
00:16:10Mason is Chase's brother, and he's frickin' hot.
00:16:13I used to see Chase and I used to see you.
00:16:15Do you think it's weird, to be honest?
00:16:16I don't know.
00:16:17I guess it's not weird.
00:16:18I saw Chase a year ago now.
00:16:22I know that Mason was interested in me first before Chase was.
00:16:24So I just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first,
00:16:27and then he's like, hey, I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
00:16:30He's a good one.
00:16:31I don't know.
00:16:32How are you?
00:16:33I'm a bad guy.
00:16:34I'm a bad guy.
00:16:35I'm a bad guy.
00:16:36I'm a bad guy.
00:16:37who said to me first before chase was so i just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first
00:16:42and now we're doing redo
00:16:44also layla so i hear mason has met your kids yes yes do they love him did he pass the test
00:16:55i fear they're obsessed with him the other day when we were on that head yeah because he looks
00:16:59like tarzan i always every single time they're eating they're like i'm gonna eat all my food
00:17:04so i get big bust big muscles like mason i'm like oh okay so smart i have to ask who's a better
00:17:12kisser definitely mason i was gonna ask his bigger i want to shift gears from mason and layla and talk
00:17:22about another relationship mikaela and jace you guys were very vulnerable about your struggles this
00:17:28season i feel like i've made a lot of strides with my past sexual abuse but as far as the intimacy
00:17:36issues i feel like it's been one area that i haven't been able to progress at all intimacy for
00:17:43me is really important it's like a deal breaker i think it's someone else's fault that took things
00:17:48and stole things from you and if i'm frustrated i'm frustrating at those people i'm not frustrated
00:17:52with you mikaela how does it feel hearing jace say not having intimacy is an issue for him
00:18:00sorry i'm just gonna take a second
00:18:04sorry i'm just gonna take a second
00:18:16sorry it's still really fresh everything that i'm working through
00:18:30i know it's a really big need of his and i think he's been very patient with me
00:18:35mikaela's been amazing i think that she's handling it better than i could have
00:18:42in her situation have things improved at all since the finale since that time i feel like i
00:18:49haven't had my body or felt in my body for a long time because of my health issues also she had a
00:18:55baby she carried that baby to term and push that baby out and then after having the baby it's like
00:19:02my health stuff all came back 180 overnight and then for him it's still hard because we're still
00:19:06having the intimacy issues and i'm like i don't know how to overcome and i think that's what's hard
00:19:11um yeah jesse you look like you're getting emotional yeah um i actually loved watching
00:19:23mikiho's story because i knew that it happened to her but seeing it play out and like seeing her
00:19:28thoughts and feelings behind it um i can relate i i've been doing a lot of therapy because of mine
00:19:34and jordan's situation and i actually uncovered the memory that i was raped when i was 19
00:19:38and um it really it like started a lot of my um issues um about like going emotionally numb and
00:19:52pushing people away and feeling not good enough and after uncovering that um me and jordan already
00:19:59had our struggles but it made it worse like i i don't exactly like i i don't want him to touch me
00:20:07and it's not his fault but like it's so crazy how your body reacts it's not just your emotions you
00:20:13know um so yeah that's just been another layer of healing for me but watching her story like it
00:20:19just really hit home for me and i i understand fully how that can feel connor what's going through
00:20:27your head right now i'm so sorry jesse
00:20:34i feel like i can't relate in the same way i struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways and
00:20:45i don't want to speak for michaela or jesse or anyone else but it can be challenging to rewire your
00:20:51brain at least for me the two polarizing parts are like please don't touch me i don't have control
00:20:57here and it scares me to i want to have like hypersexuality like i want to have as much sex
00:21:03as possible to put distance between me and that event i just need to get that out of my system
00:21:09so i don't know if i can necessarily relate with your relationships but i do know that the
00:21:16patience that you are giving your spouses is healing and it is breeding intimacy between the
00:21:23both of you i feel like that's one good thing that has come from the fame i think it has pushed a lot
00:21:27of us out of our comfort zone i don't know when i would have talked about it for me i would probably
00:21:31just push it away until i was 40 or 50 so i think this is a great thing like all the conversations
00:21:37that we've had i think are amazing and i think they're helping so many people that are watching
00:21:41so i think that's my that's my pro to me are you okay
00:21:46what is this triggering for you i think just like deep deep wounds and things for me that i haven't
00:21:58fully uncovered and things i know i've been through that i've blocked out as well and then just
00:22:07listening to you guys talk about it is like it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room
00:22:12and like how many people in this room have experienced something like this to a degree
00:22:17and that with everything that i went through the past year not to compare because what i went through
00:22:24was not even close to what
00:22:27most everyone has gone through but it triggered a lot of
00:22:31really horrible things that have happened in my life
00:22:36so to not be believed and be questioned and like be called a liar
00:22:42um yeah that it was just horrible so i'm touched to like hear the way you guys are talking about it
00:22:51and connor when you talk about it it's like my little younger self is like getting the hug that i needed
00:22:59you guys should be so proud of yourselves thank you for being so open
00:23:04all of you i feel like you're gonna help so many people
00:23:07by talking about it we have a former member of dad talk waiting to join us
00:23:12and now feels like a good time let's bring out brett
00:23:16he's joined us here now how are you doing doing well happy to be here good
00:23:22so for the past two seasons fans have been wondering what really happened with marciano
00:23:28and mom talk we've read receipts reviewed recaps and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up
00:23:35take a look so i met with marciano and he told me that you guys have been having an affair
00:23:42the past couple months he told me that you guys had sex
00:23:46oh my fucking hell i can't we did not have sex
00:23:50there's dark parts of me that just sometimes want to throw up my hands and just say i don't want to do
00:23:55this anymore are you still the person that i want to be with
00:23:58it ultimately led to us deciding to separate
00:24:02did demi tell you to say that you slept with jesse
00:24:05yeah did you and demi kiss in italy
00:24:08oh god you guys if i go admitted to that i just don't want war
00:24:12i know marciano was hurt by me ending things abruptly
00:24:16so it does make sense that he would join forces with demi because he wanted revenge
00:24:21oh what who's that marciano he said uninvited to the function because a 30 year old mormon wife
00:24:29scared to tell her husband the truth
00:24:30and then to be a comment and she goes grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a married
00:24:36woman and then she commented another night so he got uninvited because he's a sexual predator
00:24:41he's not a sexual he's not he's not a predator
00:24:43i think the biggest thing for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not
00:24:48feeling like people truly want to understand
00:24:51she knows how to bulldoze you in conversation
00:24:54she has a way of making people believe her
00:24:56never once did i feel it for him
00:24:59we've never kissed in our life i've never even told him he was cute
00:25:03period the end my gut is telling me everything is calculated
00:25:07i definitely think she's a threat to mom talks foundation
00:25:10the band is officially back together
00:25:12we still have a lot to work on but i do feel a little more hopeful because i am seeing patterns
00:25:17and behaviors that i needed to see before
00:25:19i personally feel like the things that i've needed to face i've faced
00:25:23so are you ready to officially back in
00:25:25i'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this
00:25:31so jesse you had an emotional affair
00:25:35with marciana
00:25:37what did he
00:25:38provide for you
00:25:40emotionally
00:25:41i always say like it honestly could have been anyone
00:25:45at home i just was feeling
00:25:47not seen not appreciated not loved
00:25:49i couldn't do anything right
00:25:50so just to have someone who like
00:25:52thought i was cool or funny or
00:25:54just like didn't see those negative
00:25:57things like it was just someone getting me attention
00:25:58in a positive way and not putting me down all the time
00:26:01do you regret though cheating
00:26:03yeah i wish i would have just left jordan
00:26:05at that time instead of
00:26:07cheating i
00:26:08truly was like if i do something like this like that will get me out
00:26:12it was almost like well he hasn't
00:26:13hit me he hasn't done anything like that so like
00:26:16it was really hard to like justify leaving
00:26:18but emotional abuse and that toxicity can drain you and it did
00:26:22and it made me a person i'm not proud of
00:26:24macy i know you had a lot of opinions
00:26:26about this
00:26:28yeah no it's hard i've obviously
00:26:30someone who has been through an abusive relationship and i know theirs isn't the
00:26:33same as mine but i think for me
00:26:35i like that jordan was finally owning things but i was also like as long
00:26:38as you we had the action behind it because words are just words unless
00:26:42there's action put behind it
00:26:43um but yeah no i mean
00:26:44it's not something you want to hear about your friend that's why i'm always
00:26:47really protective taylor but at the end of the day i know they have to make
00:26:50their own choices so i try to stay in one relationship at a time and do
00:26:53do what i can so it's like i'm not trying to jump too deep into jesse now
00:26:56i will say i do remember him
00:26:58taking his part of being like i did mess up i did do this to her and i did do
00:27:03that and there was no buts after and so i appreciated that part of it but
00:27:07behind closed doors when you go home with him i don't know how that was so
00:27:10we all don't know that part so only they can speak on that one well jesse do
00:27:15you feel like jordan has put action behind it
00:27:17yeah we've been in therapy for a while and i have seen a lot of changes i will
00:27:21say like i wouldn't still be here if that wasn't happening
00:27:23unfortunately healing isn't overnight so we've had setbacks and there are still
00:27:28things i worry about but overall i do feel like he's taken
00:27:31what i've said and applied a lot of it i just need time to see
00:27:36if it's gonna feel genuine you know jordan how do you feel about that
00:27:40i've had to make changes and i've had to look at myself in the mirror and like
00:27:44think about like the kind of person that i want to be not for jesse but for myself
00:27:48like i am i'm proud of myself for the changes that i've made and i really hope
00:27:53that those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my family
00:27:58well there was even more drama behind the scenes the night layla broke the news
00:28:03of jesse's affair take a look at this extended cut of one of the phone calls
00:28:07between jesse and marciano
00:28:10i'm just gonna go like this
00:28:13so i was told that you said we had sex
00:28:19you know that that's not true so i'm just confused why it was said that way
00:28:24jesse i'm not gonna get into a disagreement with you
00:28:26okay do you think we had sex
00:28:28uh yeah i mean that's how i remember it
00:28:36we kissed twice that was it
00:28:38okay
00:28:39no marciano you know that like i i'm just you know that i i i i'm willing to be so open
00:28:47and honest that i had feelings for you like i was struggling in my marriage but i want it
00:28:52to be the truth
00:28:52it's everything
00:28:54a hundred percent
00:28:55you're gonna talk about how you wanted to leave jordan and that you loved me
00:28:58yes one thousand percent i'm gonna have to like everything's coming out so that's why i just really
00:29:02want it to be the truth
00:29:03this is the thing is that we're gonna have this shit come out be a fucking honest
00:29:07this is so much bigger than you think to me really fucked me i don't want to get into it i really can't
00:29:13dude she fucking used me
00:29:15oh my god
00:29:17i gotta go
00:29:18jordan how do you feel watching that
00:29:20well um a little bit um
00:29:24triggered
00:29:28okay
00:29:29yeah
00:29:30i uh was specifically told by jesse that
00:29:35she never had said that she was gonna leave me for
00:29:39that piece of shit
00:29:40i didn't say i was gonna leave you for him
00:29:42i told marciano
00:29:43that's what i'm most likely i'm gonna leave my husband because i'm unhappy
00:29:46i never said it was for him and i've told you that
00:29:48that footage is what that said
00:29:50he said leave jordan period
00:29:52he didn't say for me and i never said for him
00:29:55i may have put that in my own head then
00:29:56yeah
00:29:57okay
00:29:57well then
00:29:58yeah
00:29:58jesse the results of the lie detector test were inconclusive
00:30:04at parts
00:30:05yeah
00:30:05specifically the parts about contact with marciano besides two kisses
00:30:11we got the results
00:30:11the results are in
00:30:13have you ever had sexual intercourse with marciano it says no
00:30:16true
00:30:17yeah
00:30:18so you're good on that one
00:30:19number two besides those two kisses have you ever had any sexual physical contact marciano
00:30:23no
00:30:24inconclusive
00:30:27wait what
00:30:29what can you say
00:30:31i know that looks so bad i was like shit
00:30:33so in the moment when she asked that question i was like okay nothing else happened besides those two kisses honestly
00:30:38but in my head i was like okay well i did touch his arm like he did grab me here like
00:30:42there were things like that but i'm like i don't want to say yes so i said no and then it came back that way
00:30:47so i understand why because in my head i was having that internal battle
00:30:51at this point though like i know my truth it did say we didn't have sex and i'm glad that that was cleared up
00:30:56and genuinely nothing else happened
00:30:58and at this point i would also say it
00:31:00because also
00:31:01yeah what do you have to lose at this point
00:31:03no literally
00:31:03like half the time i've wanted to leave jordan
00:31:05it would give me a reason
00:31:06genuinely
00:31:07and i've told him that
00:31:08can i ask you guys
00:31:10just everybody
00:31:10you watch marciano talk like that
00:31:13the way that he talks
00:31:14how do you give anything that he says
00:31:17any credibility whatsoever
00:31:19i think that's why it's so messy
00:31:20is because you can't
00:31:22well we know
00:31:22we're just using the facts that we've seen too
00:31:25yeah i don't even just
00:31:26it's not what marciano
00:31:27it's not what marciano is saying
00:31:29we clearly know he speaks in riddles
00:31:30when you guys were
00:31:31at the villa in england
00:31:33you guys seemed
00:31:35okay with marciano
00:31:37no no
00:31:38i wasn't
00:31:39these guys
00:31:40yeah i will be honest
00:31:41i never turned it up
00:31:41yeah not not me
00:31:42he did seem like he was a nice guy there
00:31:45he was charismatic
00:31:46he stayed out of the drama
00:31:47like i felt like he was respectful to jordan
00:31:49so it was confusing
00:31:51okay demi
00:31:52what do you say
00:31:53about continuing on
00:31:54a friendship
00:31:55and relationship with him
00:31:57after
00:31:58what you're accusing him of
00:32:00yeah i mean
00:32:01we have to separate the two
00:32:03because
00:32:03you can be sexually assaulted
00:32:06and then also continue a relationship
00:32:08so
00:32:08one doesn't have to take away
00:32:10from the other
00:32:10and why i did that
00:32:13i think honestly just boils down
00:32:14to a trauma response
00:32:15and
00:32:16having a lack of boundaries
00:32:18and feeling like i needed to make excuses
00:32:21for what happened
00:32:22and also to keep
00:32:23what happened
00:32:25quiet
00:32:26because i didn't want it to come out
00:32:27and like the best way to describe it
00:32:29is the hell that i've been through
00:32:31for the past year
00:32:32and the women who didn't understand
00:32:34like well why didn't you want that to come out
00:32:35i don't understand how that doesn't affect you
00:32:37it's weird though
00:32:39and i'm again
00:32:39i mean i'm not trying to call you a liar
00:32:40to this day
00:32:41he will double down on
00:32:42a few things
00:32:44and one of those things
00:32:45is when we were
00:32:45demi and i were leaving the villa
00:32:47we kissed on the lips
00:32:48no i did not
00:32:49because it was off camera
00:32:50jen when you say things like
00:32:52it was off camera
00:32:53why are you saying that
00:32:54as though you know
00:32:55to me i've seen it now
00:32:56things did happen
00:32:57between demi and marciano
00:32:59whether she wants to admit it or not
00:33:01i mean she was literally
00:33:03right next to him
00:33:04like grabbing his hands
00:33:05like googly eyes
00:33:07like talking laughing
00:33:08like
00:33:09it for sure did not seem like
00:33:12a married woman was talking to another single man with boundaries
00:33:17did you see anything happen off camera
00:33:20i i hate to say the word
00:33:21but like
00:33:22again i just haven't seen any accountability
00:33:24did you see anything
00:33:26fucking happen
00:33:27no i didn't
00:33:28no i didn't
00:33:28i didn't
00:33:29why did you say you did
00:33:30why are you fucking saying a word
00:33:32why did you threaten
00:33:33because of the shit i've gone through for the past year jen
00:33:37which you don't fucking understand
00:33:39because you've never been sexually assaulted
00:33:40yes i actually have
00:33:41uh she has
00:33:42she has
00:33:42and i haven't talked about it
00:33:43she has
00:33:43okay
00:33:44then why
00:33:45then have some fucking respect
00:33:47because i was too
00:33:49it goes both ways
00:33:49i'm not talking to you
00:33:51you're talking to my wife
00:33:52yeah i'm talking to your wife
00:33:53i'm talking to your wife
00:33:54then talk respectfully
00:33:55i will talk to her how i feel like she deserves to be talked to
00:33:59i've done nothing to jen
00:34:00she's made my life
00:34:01i'm living
00:34:01you've done nothing to me
00:34:03you bullied me
00:34:04i bullied you
00:34:05after you went
00:34:06you sat in the thing
00:34:07we're here for you
00:34:08we know what happened
00:34:09we're on your side
00:34:10five seconds later
00:34:11you turn to mikaela and go
00:34:12if she comes for me next season
00:34:14i'm exposing this
00:34:15what the fuck is wrong with you
00:34:17what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain
00:34:19what the fuck is wrong with you
00:34:26what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain
00:34:28how do you feel about your wife texting the word come to another man
00:34:32how do you feel about that
00:34:33jen listen
00:34:34no
00:34:34listen to what i'm going to tell you
00:34:36just listen
00:34:36i'll answer your question
00:34:37answer my question
00:34:38i'm asking
00:34:38i started asking
00:34:39how do you feel about that
00:34:40the word come
00:34:40so just with respect
00:34:41is that appropriate
00:34:42with respect
00:34:43just listen
00:34:44okay but it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated
00:34:46okay answer your question
00:34:48and that's what happened with us
00:34:49it's got to go both ways
00:34:50i don't understand
00:34:51if you want to be heard out
00:34:52you got to hear other people
00:34:53here's the problem
00:34:53because there's 20 different things that we could say
00:34:55you're the one telling people to shut their fucking mouth
00:34:57all right
00:34:57zach come on
00:34:58what
00:34:59don't don't
00:34:59i'm not going to be disrespectful to jen
00:35:01don't be disrespectful to demie
00:35:03please
00:35:04he's not being disrespectful
00:35:05listen
00:35:05jen
00:35:06he's literally just talking
00:35:07the question i have for you is
00:35:08she's telling me to shut my fucking mouth
00:35:10okay
00:35:11can you listen
00:35:11are you trying to avoid my question
00:35:14i don't understand why you keep interrupting
00:35:16please
00:35:16jen
00:35:18i am asking you
00:35:19if you didn't see the things that you said you saw
00:35:22why did you say you did
00:35:24why did you say you saw her sitting on his lap
00:35:26why did you say you saw her kiss him on the lip
00:35:29hold on
00:35:29and before you answer
00:35:30just know there's there's footage
00:35:32like the whole thing was filmed
00:35:33we just need to stop
00:35:34this is clearly not the place
00:35:35oh
00:35:35i know but we just brought it up
00:35:37so i feel like
00:35:37why don't we talk about demie and jesse's relationship
00:35:40their friendship
00:35:41you guys were best friends
00:35:43thick as thieves
00:35:44always together
00:35:45and now
00:35:46it's like
00:35:47how would you describe
00:35:48your friendship
00:35:49today
00:35:50i watched it fall apart
00:35:51yeah
00:35:51i would say that we've
00:35:53made strides
00:35:54and we've talked about things
00:35:56but i have walls up
00:35:57because i don't fully trust
00:35:58and i think she did multiple things to me
00:36:00back to back to back to back
00:36:01so i i don't quite understand certain things
00:36:04and i think because of that
00:36:05i still have a huge guard up
00:36:06demie how do you feel about her
00:36:07your friendship
00:36:08yeah it's almost as though
00:36:09we haven't had conversations
00:36:10like when i hear her say that
00:36:12and it's like i don't understand
00:36:13to me i'm confused
00:36:14because we've talked
00:36:15this through
00:36:16so many times
00:36:18my intention
00:36:19from start to finish
00:36:20was so that this never
00:36:22fucking came to light
00:36:24and in placating
00:36:25and being nice to marciano
00:36:27he was gonna go on a podcast
00:36:29and i was like
00:36:30shit
00:36:30i need to control
00:36:32how this plays out
00:36:33why were you so involved
00:36:35in my story
00:36:36because i was trying to keep him at bay
00:36:38i understand placating
00:36:39because i did it
00:36:40but i was trying to hide something i did wrong
00:36:42so why did you feel like you had to placate
00:36:44because i didn't want to go through
00:36:45what i've been going through the past year
00:36:46and have to talk about this
00:36:47at all
00:36:48i feel like this is an impossible situation
00:36:50because right before this
00:36:52we just saw
00:36:52you know everyone's talking about sexual assault
00:36:55and you clearly see demy crying
00:36:57and like that's a super sensitive topic
00:36:58i think the reason we want to have these conversations
00:37:01is because when we say it doesn't add up
00:37:03we're not trying to say you're a liar
00:37:04discredit you
00:37:05but like in our minds
00:37:06from what we know
00:37:07it doesn't
00:37:08macy
00:37:08how uncomfortable would it be
00:37:10if you got
00:37:11and i'm sorry
00:37:12i'm not trying to be insensitive
00:37:13but you got raped
00:37:14by your abuser
00:37:15or you got slapped
00:37:16or whatever
00:37:17and then afterwards
00:37:18you're like i love you
00:37:19and then later they're like
00:37:20macy it's really weird
00:37:21that you said i love you
00:37:22that is so different
00:37:22it's different
00:37:23in a relationship
00:37:24no no no no
00:37:25yeah i don't like when you do that
00:37:26being in a relationship
00:37:27with someone is so different
00:37:28than someone you knew for two days
00:37:29i'm sorry
00:37:30the problem is that you're becoming
00:37:31the the judge jury and executioner
00:37:34as to how she reacted
00:37:35well she put me in a really bad position
00:37:37so i have every right to question her too
00:37:39i'm sorry
00:37:39this is a tit for tat for you
00:37:40yeah it has to be
00:37:41this is bullshit
00:37:42and i'm about to walk off
00:37:44then go
00:37:44how do we get to the bottom of this
00:37:47if people say
00:37:47why are you like
00:37:48i don't think we're
00:37:49why are you acting this way towards me
00:37:51you would be
00:37:51because i'm still confused
00:37:52i want answers
00:37:54it's all these things
00:37:55where we're like
00:37:55this doesn't add up
00:37:57i just don't appreciate the lies
00:37:58the lies piss me off so bad
00:38:00because it's affected my life
00:38:01for the past year
00:38:02in a very negative way
00:38:04and jen's off living her merry life
00:38:06on dancing with the stars
00:38:07raking in dollar bills
00:38:08and i'm a lying villain
00:38:10you don't think bullying me
00:38:11affected me
00:38:12sweetie how did i bully you
00:38:14how did you bully me
00:38:15you treated me like shit
00:38:17you were lying about me
00:38:19and then you expected me
00:38:20to have this wave of empathy for you
00:38:23because you were having a hard time
00:38:25i think that this is
00:38:29this is going to have to be
00:38:30a larger conversation
00:38:30i don't think this is going to be
00:38:32wrapped up today
00:38:33i think too much
00:38:34but do you see why
00:38:35we just have
00:38:35we just
00:38:36we want to talk about
00:38:37i truly hope you all
00:38:40can find a way
00:38:41to move forward
00:38:42with all of this
00:38:43but we need
00:38:44to move on
00:38:45with the reunion
00:38:45we have another guest coming
00:38:48i am kindly requesting
00:38:51all of your cooperation
00:38:52our next guest
00:38:54only agreed to participate
00:38:55if the ladies of mom talk
00:38:57exited the stage
00:38:58while their interview
00:38:59takes place
00:39:00out of respect
00:39:02for that request
00:39:02i am asking taylor
00:39:04macy
00:39:05mikaela
00:39:06jen
00:39:07jesse
00:39:08layla
00:39:08miranda
00:39:09demi
00:39:10and whitney
00:39:11to follow our stage manager
00:39:13back to their dressing rooms
00:39:14where they can continue
00:39:15watching the reunion
00:39:17demie's example
00:39:26where she
00:39:26if there weren't cameras
00:39:27they would have been like
00:39:28oh did i physically assault you
00:39:29would you tell people that
00:39:30that i was
00:39:32like
00:39:32that i put my hands on you
00:39:34which is an assault
00:39:34like i for a while
00:39:36i was like
00:39:36am i gonna get
00:39:37strung out
00:39:37as like someone
00:39:38who hits girls
00:39:39yeah
00:39:40all because of
00:39:41you know
00:39:41she was at an emotional high
00:39:43and i think
00:39:44i'd love to chat with her
00:39:45about that
00:39:46because i've never been able to
00:39:47our experiences are valid
00:39:48and it's like
00:39:49muddied
00:39:50because of this stupid
00:39:51fucking asshole
00:39:52that's lied
00:39:53and sorry
00:39:54but jen
00:39:55who's lied
00:39:55and put all these things
00:39:57in your head
00:39:57that never happened
00:39:58okay
00:39:59she's not telling why
00:40:01she's telling her experience
00:40:01and she saw you be flirty
00:40:02in the villa
00:40:03and so did all of us
00:40:04i will never put myself
00:40:05in a situation like that again
00:40:07and that sucks
00:40:08especially when you've
00:40:09been in that situation
00:40:10and it like
00:40:11brings up old stuff
00:40:12like
00:40:13then you start really
00:40:14blaming yourself
00:40:15for like what they do
00:40:16it's more painful
00:40:17to not be believed
00:40:19than to say
00:40:20or not to go over it
00:40:21over and over and over
00:40:23and feel the pain
00:40:24of past things
00:40:25than to just say
00:40:26fuck yeah
00:40:27we kissed
00:40:28fuck yeah
00:40:28this happened
00:40:29i'd rather
00:40:29something fucking
00:40:31happened at this point
00:40:32it's excruciating
00:40:34and it's ruining
00:40:34my reputation
00:40:35and we hear you
00:40:36and we hear you on that
00:40:38i'm sorry
00:40:41i want to go home
00:40:56don't feel like
00:41:05you have to go out there
00:41:06no i feel like i have to
00:41:07for me
00:41:07okay for you
00:41:08then let's fucking do it
00:41:09let's do it
00:41:10i want you to really
00:41:11feel like
00:41:13you're up to it
00:41:14every part of me
00:41:14wants to run
00:41:15and i'm like
00:41:16no
00:41:16you're gonna stay
00:41:17like you deserve
00:41:18to be here
00:41:19and like
00:41:20you're not gonna
00:41:21let them win
00:41:22did demie leave
00:41:23leave
00:41:23she might have
00:41:24i heard this wailing
00:41:25and i was like
00:41:26what was that noise
00:41:27and she's outside
00:41:28talking to somebody
00:41:29i saw brett talking
00:41:29to people
00:41:30yeah
00:41:30so i don't know
00:41:31if she was leaving
00:41:31or not
00:41:32okay
00:41:34i know that was a lot
00:41:35but we do have
00:41:36a special guest
00:41:37waiting to come out
00:41:38is everyone ready
00:41:40oh my gosh
00:41:49did he
00:41:50so he's been watching
00:41:51this whole thing
00:41:52welcome back
00:41:53to the secret lives
00:41:54of mormon wives
00:41:55season three reunion
00:41:57against all odds
00:41:58and expectations
00:41:59we have
00:42:00dakota
00:42:01here with me
00:42:02and the rest
00:42:03of dad talk
00:42:04tensions between
00:42:05mom talk
00:42:05and dad talk
00:42:06took a toll
00:42:07on many of our
00:42:08cast members
00:42:08this season
00:42:09and in an effort
00:42:10to speak his truth
00:42:12dakota agreed
00:42:13to join us tonight
00:42:14on the condition
00:42:14that taylor
00:42:15and the rest
00:42:16of mom talk
00:42:16be backstage
00:42:17can we turn this
00:42:18up a little bit
00:42:19dakota
00:42:19i was rooting
00:42:20for you and taylor's
00:42:21relationship
00:42:22and now
00:42:22you can't even be
00:42:24on the same stage
00:42:24with her
00:42:25why you little bitch
00:42:26which you have to admit
00:42:27it's kind of crazy
00:42:28that you kicked
00:42:30the girls
00:42:30okay
00:42:31off of their own
00:42:32stage
00:42:33yeah i'm just gonna say
00:42:34that was a little more
00:42:35dramatic than i thought
00:42:36it was gonna be
00:42:36it wasn't supposed
00:42:37to be like that
00:42:38none of the husbands
00:42:39are getting sex tonight
00:42:40that's for sure
00:42:41conor already did
00:42:41before 8 a.m
00:42:42yeah
00:42:43wow
00:42:43i know
00:42:44all i wanted was just
00:42:45to be able to have
00:42:46like a good conversation
00:42:47and i think most people
00:42:49would agree that like
00:42:50when me and taylor
00:42:50are together
00:42:51it's really hard
00:42:52for us to just talk
00:42:53so that was really
00:42:55my only thing
00:42:56i think that's fair
00:42:57your relationship
00:42:58with taylor
00:42:59has gotten to a point
00:43:00where she'll be looking
00:43:01for love on the next
00:43:03season of the bachelorette
00:43:04what happened
00:43:06let's take a look
00:43:08how are you
00:43:09how are things
00:43:09good
00:43:10you had him like
00:43:10for 11 days
00:43:12yeah i did
00:43:12it was like good
00:43:13bonding for us
00:43:14really
00:43:14yeah
00:43:15well i'm sure
00:43:16well yeah i feel
00:43:16so close to him
00:43:18the goal is
00:43:19to have
00:43:20healthy co-parenting
00:43:22and to focus
00:43:24on our healing
00:43:25individually
00:43:26i am not going
00:43:27to be in a relationship
00:43:28until i'm in a healthier
00:43:29spot
00:43:29my roommate went
00:43:30missing this morning
00:43:31yes we had sex
00:43:37like obviously
00:43:38how about that
00:43:39i love you last night
00:43:41if ever there was
00:43:42a future for dakota and i
00:43:43there would have to be
00:43:44no more lies
00:43:45no more secrets
00:43:47are taylor and dakota
00:43:48back together
00:43:49i'm not trying to
00:43:50snitch but during
00:43:51one of the times
00:43:52they were broken up
00:43:53leanne's friend
00:43:54she started like
00:43:56hitting on him
00:43:56and it kind of
00:43:57turned sexual
00:43:58this is the fourth girl
00:43:59now and it's like
00:44:00it's a fucking family
00:44:00number i hate you
00:44:02i don't think you
00:44:03like understand
00:44:04how big of a deal
00:44:04this is
00:44:05i just like want
00:44:08your full transparency
00:44:10dakota came clean
00:44:12to me
00:44:12there's never been
00:44:13anything going on
00:44:14between me and dakota
00:44:15i literally would have
00:44:16only invited him over
00:44:17to cry it out
00:44:19or whatever
00:44:19cry it out and then
00:44:21fuck
00:44:21you haven't been
00:44:25happy for three years
00:44:27i did my
00:44:28mediation
00:44:29taylor i'm glad
00:44:30that you
00:44:31took the initiative
00:44:32to contact
00:44:33the attorney
00:44:34and finally
00:44:35set some boundaries
00:44:36i have no choice
00:44:37we're done
00:44:38sorry can you
00:44:40throw me that
00:44:40water real quick
00:44:41can we make you
00:44:42nervous
00:44:42yeah you guys
00:44:43do
00:44:44he's sweating
00:44:46he's like hey
00:44:47what lies did you
00:44:47cover up right now
00:44:48how are you and
00:44:49taylor now
00:44:50i don't i mean
00:44:51i think
00:44:51probably
00:44:54not good
00:44:55if i had to say
00:44:57like
00:44:58and i don't like
00:44:59that
00:44:59like i wish it
00:45:00was uh
00:45:01i wish it was
00:45:02better
00:45:02but i just think
00:45:04the emotions are
00:45:05still like really
00:45:05high
00:45:05okay
00:45:06in your words
00:45:08what happened
00:45:09with taylor's
00:45:10family friend
00:45:11it's been over
00:45:12two years now
00:45:13um
00:45:14so i think
00:45:15when this happened
00:45:16me and taylor
00:45:16were together
00:45:17for like
00:45:1810 months
00:45:18we were both
00:45:20in a very toxic
00:45:21cycle
00:45:22for me anyways
00:45:23it was like
00:45:23i was always
00:45:24getting broken
00:45:24up with
00:45:25and this was
00:45:25like the first
00:45:26like time
00:45:27where she broke
00:45:28up with me
00:45:28where i guess
00:45:29for me it felt
00:45:30like very legit
00:45:30like it felt
00:45:31like it was
00:45:32real for me
00:45:33this lady
00:45:34that i had met
00:45:35through taylor's
00:45:36family
00:45:37she leaned out
00:45:38to me
00:45:38and was just
00:45:38checking in on me
00:45:39because obviously
00:45:40she had heard
00:45:41what happened
00:45:41and she was just
00:45:42like being super
00:45:43nice
00:45:44um
00:45:45and then
00:45:46it wasn't
00:45:47it didn't like
00:45:48it weird
00:45:48did you guys
00:45:49talk about taylor
00:45:50yeah it was
00:45:51about her
00:45:51relationship
00:45:52yeah
00:45:52so like you
00:45:53confided in her
00:45:54yeah it was
00:45:55just about like
00:45:55how how crappy
00:45:56it is and like
00:45:57how sad i am
00:45:58okay let's see
00:45:59what he lies about
00:46:00and then i'll go
00:46:00out there and
00:46:01clear it up
00:46:01and then it
00:46:02got to a point
00:46:03to where
00:46:04i'm trying to
00:46:05think of exactly
00:46:06step by step
00:46:07but it was like
00:46:08yeah think about
00:46:09those lies you're
00:46:09gonna tell
00:46:10she's just making
00:46:11him feel like a
00:46:11fool
00:46:11it's not that
00:46:12hard to do
00:46:13it's just the
00:46:14facts
00:46:14and then
00:46:15like out of
00:46:17nowhere
00:46:17i feel like
00:46:18she kind of
00:46:19like came
00:46:19on to me
00:46:20which
00:46:21that i think
00:46:23just kind of
00:46:23surprised me
00:46:24given in that
00:46:25moment like i
00:46:26didn't actually
00:46:26think that was
00:46:27gonna happen
00:46:27if again
00:46:29that's just
00:46:29my opinion
00:46:30like i really
00:46:31didn't think
00:46:32that was gonna
00:46:32happen
00:46:33and then
00:46:34uh
00:46:35and then from
00:46:36there it was
00:46:37like even the
00:46:38pictures we sent
00:46:39like i know
00:46:39what pictures did
00:46:40you yeah by
00:46:40the way
00:46:40yeah yeah
00:46:42which no no
00:46:42i'm getting to it
00:46:43i just want to
00:46:44make sure i
00:46:44explain this
00:46:45because i don't
00:46:45want things
00:46:45twisted like
00:46:46even on the
00:46:47episode i watched
00:46:48one of them and
00:46:48it was like
00:46:48taylor was
00:46:49questioning me i
00:46:50was like oh
00:46:50there was only
00:46:50one picture sent
00:46:51there was only
00:46:52one picture sent
00:46:52i was referring
00:46:53to she only
00:46:55sent me one
00:46:56picture there
00:46:56was multiple
00:46:57pictures sent
00:46:58but she only
00:46:59sent me one
00:47:00picture
00:47:00no no no i
00:47:03only sent one
00:47:03more picture so
00:47:04there's two two
00:47:05pictures what was
00:47:05it what was the
00:47:06picture of um it
00:47:08was a silhouette so
00:47:09in the silhouette like
00:47:10it was so dark like
00:47:12if i'm being honest
00:47:13it wasn't like it
00:47:15wasn't super sexual
00:47:17to me like just
00:47:19because of how dark
00:47:21the picture was
00:47:22what prompted the
00:47:22pic oh yeah this
00:47:24is what i was gonna
00:47:24say so and i think
00:47:25what even prop i
00:47:27think what even
00:47:27prompted the picture
00:47:28was that we were
00:47:29talking about like
00:47:31the gym working
00:47:32out uh being in
00:47:33good shape like
00:47:34things like that
00:47:35conversation had
00:47:36turned away from
00:47:37you and taylor's
00:47:38relationship yeah
00:47:38yeah i guess yeah
00:47:39it turned to like
00:47:40that just at that
00:47:41night time just
00:47:42towards the night
00:47:42there who gives a
00:47:43fuck what time it
00:47:44is it's like
00:47:45it was night
00:47:46and then i sent a
00:47:51picture of my
00:47:51shirt off dumb as
00:47:53shit i agree it
00:47:54was stupid i'm not
00:47:55saying it's not
00:47:56stupid yes it was
00:47:57that like flirty
00:47:59though her
00:47:59picture to you
00:48:00and you're
00:48:00hell yeah that's
00:48:01where yeah already
00:48:02i was like okay
00:48:03this is like uh
00:48:04yeah like it but
00:48:05you and taylor
00:48:06weren't together
00:48:06no no she broke
00:48:08up with me i'm
00:48:09about to go
00:48:09fucking out there
00:48:10and literally
00:48:11annihilate him and
00:48:12then out of
00:48:13nowhere she like
00:48:15freaked out like
00:48:17and was like delete
00:48:18everything delete
00:48:19everything
00:48:19i think it made me
00:48:24have to kind of
00:48:25be like oh damn
00:48:26like this is like a
00:48:27a big big deal
00:48:29keep going
00:48:30go ahead with
00:48:31your eyes
00:48:31lies what part
00:48:32where have i
00:48:33i don't want to
00:48:33sit by him
00:48:34you can go
00:48:34can i don't
00:48:35sit by him
00:48:35can you give me
00:48:36that water
00:48:36you look pretty
00:48:39keep going
00:48:40all right
00:48:40i will let me
00:48:41drink
00:48:41welcome ladies
00:48:42thank you
00:48:43so taylor
00:48:43what is not
00:48:44tracking for you
00:48:45um i mean i
00:48:47think you can
00:48:47kind of gauge
00:48:48when you're
00:48:48stuttering you're
00:48:49like well wait
00:48:50wait give me a
00:48:50second that's when
00:48:51you're having to
00:48:51keep up with lies
00:48:52the extent of
00:48:53what she was
00:48:54so don't go
00:48:55back on that
00:48:55now does that
00:48:55make sense
00:48:56yeah i see what
00:48:57you're saying
00:48:57that's my point
00:48:58if dakota would
00:48:59just be like i
00:49:00messed up
00:49:00i was so dumb
00:49:03of me he would
00:49:03just look so much
00:49:04better i think
00:49:05you know that
00:49:07this was fucked
00:49:08up because you
00:49:08confided in jordan
00:49:10about it a hundred
00:49:11percent okay so
00:49:12you understand why
00:49:13taylor is yes
00:49:15enraged right
00:49:16right okay yeah
00:49:19so what are you
00:49:20trying to defend
00:49:20defend i think
00:49:22it comes off as
00:49:23you kind of
00:49:24defending as if
00:49:24it's not i think
00:49:25can invalidate how
00:49:26people feel well i
00:49:28think i do that just
00:49:29given the fact that i
00:49:30think you're never
00:49:31just sorry yeah like
00:49:32if you didn't have
00:49:32any new information
00:49:33you must be here to
00:49:38fully apologize or
00:49:40something well i think
00:49:41the context of what i
00:49:42just said is new like
00:49:43i watched the episode
00:49:45and i feel like there
00:49:45was multiple things
00:49:46that were skewed in
00:49:47there what i think
00:49:49that's fair like it
00:49:50was exactly
00:49:51what i thought
00:49:51there was
00:49:52but it's exaggerated
00:49:53i felt like it made
00:49:55it seem like i cheated
00:49:56on you
00:49:56you did that is
00:49:57cheating to me
00:49:58okay but yet you
00:49:59can do it right
00:50:00i never did
00:50:00when you're broke
00:50:01up when you broke
00:50:02up with me you can
00:50:03go fuck someone else
00:50:04and then come fuck
00:50:04me right
00:50:05okay so a year later
00:50:06oh we were broke
00:50:07up we were broke
00:50:08up though right
00:50:09oh my god
00:50:09and your friends will
00:50:10tell you the same
00:50:11thing they'll say
00:50:12you don't owe him
00:50:12that did i cheat
00:50:13does anyone consider
00:50:14that cheating
00:50:14uh so you're broken
00:50:16up and me moving
00:50:17right so how is that
00:50:18cheating what i did
00:50:18if i was i don't feel
00:50:19like this is about
00:50:20cheating
00:50:20it's who it is
00:50:21it's who it's with
00:50:24leila i know i'm saying
00:50:27let then let me just
00:50:28talk do you see how
00:50:29the whole thing changed
00:50:30like when you come out
00:50:31and you're just firing
00:50:32shots at me like i i
00:50:33wanted to just talk
00:50:34this is where i wanted
00:50:35to this was my whole
00:50:36point go i've apologized
00:50:37to you like a hundred
00:50:38times you've never meant
00:50:39it though yes i have
00:50:40i've wrote you letters
00:50:41saying sorry a hundred
00:50:42times i've done
00:50:43everything you said
00:50:44hey i weeded out a
00:50:45bad friend in your
00:50:45family just trying
00:50:46wait what he said i
00:50:48hey i weeded out a
00:50:49bad friend in your
00:50:49family oh my gosh
00:50:50this is this is what
00:50:52i'm talking about like
00:50:52this is where this is
00:50:53why i can't do this
00:50:54are you still on
00:50:55speaking terms with
00:50:56this person no my
00:50:58entire family disowned
00:50:59her no yeah she was
00:51:01my friend too like
00:51:02that's what like she
00:51:03would see me cry and
00:51:04struggle and all these
00:51:05things with dakota and
00:51:06be helping me when i
00:51:07think she was a snake
00:51:08in the fucking grass it's
00:51:09disgusting do you feel
00:51:12like you owe her parents
00:51:12an apology a hundred
00:51:14percent and i reached
00:51:15out to your mom and
00:51:16asked her well he was
00:51:17making threats to
00:51:18taylor is so wild this
00:51:20is because i come out
00:51:21with the truth didn't
00:51:22you just sex me last
00:51:23night you should tell
00:51:24your new boyfriend that
00:51:24we're gonna move out
00:51:25the one that you like
00:51:26a lot didn't you say
00:51:27that today oh you
00:51:28should probably tell
00:51:28him how you were
00:51:29talking to me last
00:51:29night oh look at
00:51:30that we have look at
00:51:32you denying it i don't
00:51:32have a boyfriend i'm
00:51:33single i'm single just
00:51:35take a couple of
00:51:36breaths this is getting
00:51:37a little crazy you
00:51:38should have him choke
00:51:39he's lying we're gonna
00:51:39move out of this i
00:51:40want to go back to
00:51:41leanne and jeremy
00:51:42i mean this is the
00:51:43worst time for me to
00:51:44do i was actually
00:51:45going to do it and
00:51:46it was going to be
00:51:46very genuine but now
00:51:48it's like i'm so
00:51:48heated yeah this is
00:51:49not giving happy
00:51:50holidays okay let's
00:51:52welcome in leanne and
00:51:53jeremy
00:51:53i need a dunking refresher
00:52:01obviously berry sangria yes
00:52:04there you go thank you
00:52:08welcome back to the
00:52:14secret lives of mormon
00:52:15wives season three reunion
00:52:17we've had more drama than a
00:52:20high school christmas pageant
00:52:21we have mom talk and dad
00:52:23talk here with us along
00:52:25with leanne and jeremy and
00:52:27demi and brett to me i
00:52:29know you had a rough time
00:52:30out there and i really
00:52:31appreciate you coming back
00:52:33yeah thank you
00:52:34dakota has something he'd
00:52:36like to say to taylor's
00:52:37parents but first brett has
00:52:39something he'd like to get
00:52:40off his chest um i'd like to
00:52:42apologize to miranda um in
00:52:44my heated phone conversation
00:52:45with me said something that
00:52:47i don't mean even remotely
00:52:49we had a brief conversation
00:52:51with miranda and she just
00:52:52basically was insinuating
00:52:54that i'm a liar and you said
00:52:56chase shoved you and i'm
00:52:57like well i don't know what
00:52:59would you call it i don't
00:52:59know what to call it he came
00:53:01up and pushed my hip
00:53:02what i said was unacceptable
00:53:10and it was really
00:53:12representative of how i was
00:53:13feeling about this situation
00:53:14as a whole just feeling like
00:53:16the whole thing was just so
00:53:17kind of out of bounds and so
00:53:18trashy the way that i felt
00:53:20like she was being treated
00:53:21and you were the last person
00:53:23that she interacted with so
00:53:25unfortunately you were you
00:53:26were on the receiving end of
00:53:28kind of the pinnacle of my
00:53:29frustration and you didn't
00:53:30deserve that and i'm really
00:53:32sorry it was tensions were
00:53:35really high at that time i do
00:53:37wish that you know this wasn't
00:53:39just happening on camera i wish
00:53:40maybe it was something that was
00:53:42said earlier and i'm not saying
00:53:43that i don't that it's not an
00:53:45authentic apology i just i do
00:53:46think that the timing of it is a
00:53:48little bit unfortunate i i just
00:53:50so you know i felt sick to my
00:53:51stomach just hearing myself i
00:53:53didn't even remember saying that
00:53:54i was like seeing red in the
00:53:57moment and i really my apology
00:53:59really is sincere i i really i'm
00:54:01sorry i appreciate it thank you
00:54:03yay one apology accepted dakota i
00:54:07know there's something you'd like to
00:54:08say to leanne so just go ahead
00:54:11uh obviously i i know that i
00:54:15fucked up i just think like i think
00:54:19i knew i was gonna lose you guys
00:54:21and that i don't know
00:54:24i think i kind of numbed out maybe a
00:54:28little bit
00:54:28and i think it was just hard to me
00:54:33and taylor obviously were just not in
00:54:34a good place and that i think it was
00:54:36just like even harder but i am truly
00:54:40sorry because i know that that
00:54:42caused a lot of pain obviously for
00:54:45taylor but for you guys as well and
00:54:47your family and i don't think i
00:54:49realized the magnitude maybe of even
00:54:52what i did i don't expect you guys to
00:54:55forgive me i don't expect anything like
00:54:57that but i do just want you to know
00:54:59like i know i messed up i i know that i
00:55:01caused a lot of pain for all of you
00:55:04guys and
00:55:05that's all i can do right now is i'm
00:55:10sorry
00:55:10leanne jeremy i just don't understand
00:55:15like why
00:55:16why yeah you do that behind your
00:55:23girlfriend that's pregnant with your
00:55:26baby that's sickening i think that
00:55:29bugs me dakota you're just like
00:55:31one of those people that you just
00:55:33can't help but to love but then you
00:55:35get really get to know you you're not
00:55:38that person you're just a different
00:55:40person like behind closed doors you
00:55:43have your virtue you're it's like been
00:55:45taken away you're so dishonest you're
00:55:48so like i just don't know how you can
00:55:50keep lying and you know what the thing
00:55:52that hurts the most is that she's my
00:55:54kid and you hurt my grandbaby like
00:55:57you hurt ever he's the one that's
00:55:59gonna pay for all your guys's crappy
00:56:03decisions that you both have made
00:56:05i can't accept anything that comes out
00:56:10of your mouth because it's all
00:56:11bullshit dude
00:56:12you have proven yourself time and time
00:56:16again that nothing that comes out of
00:56:17your mouth is just spewing
00:56:18bullshit
00:56:19so i can't accept any sorry from you
00:56:24or nothing i mean our last reunion he
00:56:26was sitting here crying and our host
00:56:29was asking do you think you can be an
00:56:31honest person he's crying yes i've said
00:56:34everything i said it all like i can do
00:56:36this yes i love taylor but he's still
00:56:38lying about right i didn't know i learned
00:56:40after the reunion
00:56:41i'll do anything to uh just like have
00:56:46that opportunity to be with her and my
00:56:49family and um
00:56:50this is so hard because that's like i just
00:56:58went about everything the worst way
00:57:01taylor dakota where do you guys think
00:57:04you go from here as co-parents i would
00:57:07obviously love to get to a spot of like
00:57:09being cordial for the sake of our son
00:57:11because he ultimately my mom is saying
00:57:13he's the one who
00:57:14is this gonna suffer from all of this
00:57:16this is a law on me
00:57:17that i chose him to be his dad
00:57:20wait are you don't think i'm a good dad
00:57:22taylor are you gonna let me finish
00:57:23so i feel when i look at ever i'm like
00:57:27this is my fault i did this i chose to do
00:57:29this i'm so sorry that i
00:57:32chose to have a child with this person
00:57:34however they feel they're they're
00:57:35justified the one thing i want to just
00:57:37stand on is i've seen him be a dad and
00:57:39like i think dakota is a great dad
00:57:41i will never ever have anyone tell me
00:57:44i'm not okay because i know that with
00:57:46every single fiber in my heart okay i
00:57:48just like you know what taylor out of
00:57:50anybody i just said how much i care about
00:57:52ever did you listen i said it's on me i
00:57:54feel guilty it's how you're wording
00:57:55things about it i mean every word
00:57:56i think it's not about this you know
00:57:59we were giving you the opportunity to
00:58:01apologize
00:58:02apologize yeah to them you you did they
00:58:07don't accept that apology that's fine um i
00:58:11we can't just like keep yeah keep at it
00:58:14keep at it like we can't do that that's
00:58:17it i'm done fucking stupid fucking mic off me
00:58:21folks we're not done yet folks we're not
00:58:23done yet oh shit i told them we're not
00:58:26done they want that fuck that i'm good
00:58:28i want anything good i'm just gonna say i
00:58:32just feel for dakota honestly did i care
00:58:35for him absolutely is this painful
00:58:37duh i loved him i wanted to be with him
00:58:40i had a child with him so yes it's
00:58:42fucking painful
00:58:43hurts to co-parent to this very day i do
00:58:46it every day and it's the worst things
00:58:47i've ever done
00:58:48i'm so sorry you went through that
00:58:50thank you that's awful it's gross yeah
00:58:53well guys i appreciate all of you being
00:58:58here and sharing your truth and thank you
00:59:01everyone at home for watching a very tense
00:59:04reunion there's no place like home for
00:59:07the holidays and let me tell you i am
00:59:09thrilled to get on that plane in two
00:59:11hours there will be plenty more excitement
00:59:14in season four so happy holidays and
00:59:18thank you for watching
00:59:19listen up i'm the one you've been dreaming of i got everything you could ever want
00:59:38try me in your seat i'll bring it to your knees baby
00:59:42please baby bring it to me
00:59:46Temptation, Temptation, Temptation
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