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00:00:00classic films go horribly wrong is brand new at five past ten
00:00:03first brand new carry-on secrets and scandals with scenes of mild nudity
00:00:08relaxing nights in start here simba hybrid mattress sponsors evenings on channel five
00:00:21they're the saucy seaside postcard classics that generations have grown up
00:00:29these fabulous cartoon-like characters brought so much joy and warmth and happiness
00:00:36they're just funny there are some great gags in them this great flap stick
00:00:40it had the most brilliant actors in it people like jones sims and kenneth williams hattie
00:00:47sid and barbara windsor you know but behind the scenes of britain's longest running film franchise
00:00:52are secret tales of backstabbing and scandal it's outrageous when one thinks back now and i don't
00:00:58know how they could have been allowed to get away with it he was badly treated and he wasn't the
00:01:03only one in never before seen interviews we'll reveal the cast's anger at millionaire producer
00:01:08peter rogers i think it's immoral what they did i do find a certain amount of resentment within me
00:01:15yes i have to be honest i'm not allowed to say that barbara windsor told me he was a
00:01:18am i as well as some heartbreaking insight into a secret love and i remember thinking
00:01:24oh my god he's gone and we didn't talk and some complicated friendships
00:01:29joan did say to me you know kenneth williams is a genius and you have to know which side
00:01:35you're talking to we'll go behind the scenes on the film's less than glamorous locations
00:01:40when lunchtime came everyone piles back to the studios and you buy your own lunch uncover the bits
00:01:45which should have stayed covered reveal all about the films you didn't see can't think why this was
00:01:52never made and talk to some of the few iconic cast members who are still very much carrying on
00:01:57poor old sod that i am shan't be here for long but even go during the interview
00:02:02as we reveal the secrets and scandals of carry on
00:02:08action
00:02:09it's 1998 the good friday agreement is signed the first episode of who wants to be a millionaire is
00:02:20broadcast and at pinewood studios some of the most recognizable stars in british cinema
00:02:25gather to celebrate 40 years of britain's biggest ever film franchise
00:02:30but behind the scenes some long-held grievances are being aired
00:02:38interviews were recorded for a documentary to mark the occasion
00:02:44and when we got our hands on the tapes of those interviews
00:02:46we uncovered some shocking truths about how the stars really felt
00:02:51i just think that you know we all have had such sort of a bit of a bad crack at the whip i i i think
00:03:00it's yes i am a bit bitter about it at times but what were they so upset about to understand that
00:03:08let's go back to 1968 and a damp field behind pinewood studios in ivorheath
00:03:13now really let's see those chests come out
00:03:16as we chuckled watching barbara windsor's bikini ping
00:03:19gravity defyingly into kenneth williams face in carry on camping
00:03:23little did we know how much the plucky artistes were suffering for their art
00:03:27carry on camping filming in october and november 1968
00:03:34they would always do spring or autumn shoot because all the actors most of the actors
00:03:38were in pantomime or summer season so they're filming a summer holiday film
00:03:44in october so it was very cold we sprayed the grass green because we were treading it down so much
00:03:50and just to make it look like summer because i mean they were in bikinis for goodness sake
00:03:55and uh yeah so they they were out there spraying the grass
00:03:58i think in a lot of carry-ons and certainly in camping you can really tell it's been raining and it's cold
00:04:03you know you can almost see the goose pimples in everyone's flesh everyone looks a bit puckered
00:04:07it seems completely appropriate doesn't it that a carry-on film wouldn't shot on cloudy days in muddy
00:04:13fields when the same location was used for carry-on behind in march 1975 it was cold enough to see
00:04:20the actor's breath oh nice fans these not bad carol and i were in bikinis blue with cold and they kept
00:04:29painting us with this yellow colour to make our skin look normal
00:04:34and then it started to snow and i thought can't we go in the caravan and the props guy came over
00:04:50he said where are you going i said well i was going to go and get warm i said the snow
00:04:54he said no it looks like apple blossom that's what it looks like on the camera apple blossom
00:04:59so just stayed there and looked warm and that was my baptism of fire into the carry-on film
00:05:08oh god it was funny it wasn't funny
00:05:11as well as being made off season the carry-ons were made in very little time and for very little money
00:05:18the carry-ons were in terms of shooting time reminded me very much of my time in coronation
00:05:24street you got there you did it boom boom that was it and you did not make mistakes and you didn't
00:05:29ask what your motivation was your motivation was to get it done in one take if possible two would
00:05:35be outrageous but just get it done when you were doing it the next set was already lit for you to go
00:05:41on to so that finished and there was no messing about lighting the set it was ready to go you just
00:05:47got on with it just like that it was all over people did not ever say could we go for another
00:05:53one an actress i i do distinctly remember had said i'd like to go again and there was almost like a
00:06:02a death silence and after whatever discussion the director had with the cameraman we didn't go for
00:06:11another take there was no messing around and if people just start laughing or something he would be
00:06:17like schoolmaster and quieten them so they could get on and stick to the schedule i mean they it was
00:06:22remarkable how those films were made on such a low budget and so often another way to save both time
00:06:30and money was the inventive use of locations and pinewood studios itself provided the locations for
00:06:36everything from a spanish beach in carry-on abroad shot in a studio car park
00:06:41to a croquet lawn in india in carry on up the khyber
00:06:47and who are we playing today major short house calabar ravers your excellency if we stayed within a half a mile of
00:06:54pinewood studios it was not classed as a location if we go beyond the half a mile then it was classed as location and then of course we had to get caterers in transport people
00:07:08toilets permissions to use houses locations whatever so it made sense to stay within the half a mile of the studios and when lunchtime came everyone piles back to the studios and you buy your own lunch
00:07:25maidenhead town hall a whopping 13 miles away starred as three separate buildings in carry-on doctor
00:07:33i'm using a hurry carry on again doctor
00:07:37they've started early today
00:07:42and carry on behind
00:07:44and even the more exotic looking locations were much closer to home than they appeared
00:07:55come on let's get out of here
00:07:57the khyber passing up the khyber was actually north wales
00:08:00wait for me
00:08:01and the sahara desert in follow that camel was camber sands in sussex
00:08:08i think lovely dungeness power station is just off to the right there
00:08:13look the oasis
00:08:14snowdonia in khyber really works well as the khyber pass because it is a mountain and there is snow on it and i also have to confess
00:08:23there was a part of me that grew up thinking that the khyber pass did have a gate
00:08:26the carry-ons where box office smashes despite the shoestring budgets they were made on
00:08:33and the man in charge of stretching those budgets to their absolute limits was producer
00:08:37peter rogers
00:08:38peter rogers always said it's economic filmmaking it's not cheap it's economic
00:08:42yes he was a tough businessman but you have to be as a film producer certainly in those days
00:08:48the great thing that i can remember him doing as soon as he came to observe
00:08:53it was his immediate thing of checking his watch
00:08:57at an event celebrating his career in 2005
00:09:00rogers proudly let the audience into some of the secrets of how he kept costs down
00:09:05i said i don't want a large labour force i only want so many
00:09:09and i don't want what they call inky lunches which means the sparks creep back onto the floor and
00:09:17bugger over the lights and charge over time or something that's nothing to do with you
00:09:21to stop that we locked the stage doors actually
00:09:24never been done before
00:09:26peter rogers was notorious for saving money in every possible way he could
00:09:31hidden deep in the archives we even found a letter to a member of the board at rank films
00:09:36complaining about how much the copy room at pinewood was charging for duplicating scripts
00:09:41the carry-ons were one of the british film industry's biggest successes
00:09:47but the stars of the films went without many of the perks a film star might usually expect
00:09:53the fact of the matter is that peter rogers was so tight on the budget
00:09:58that he wouldn't allow the cast to have a car
00:10:02do you know i was just trying to think today as i came i thought
00:10:05how did i get there in the morning i seem to remember it was very unpleasant
00:10:10i have a feeling that we picked a bus up somewhere
00:10:14and poor old charlie haltry would catch the bus
00:10:18from hounslow where he lived he'd catch the bus to sort of uxbridge
00:10:22and then he would walk from uxbridge to pinewood studios
00:10:26and one day a big car big girl rolls
00:10:30stopped and called out charles charles and it was lawrence
00:10:34olivier he said charles goodness gracious
00:10:37where are you off to i'm off to pinewood dinner
00:10:39and he said well don't they get you a car
00:10:42and he said larry they don't even give us the bus fare
00:10:45and so he said well hop in
00:10:48and he said you know charles it's it's a disgrace you know it's an absolute disgrace
00:10:52and of course charles haltry went back to set and told everybody about
00:10:56being picked up by lawrence olivier and what lawrence olivier had said
00:11:00and said it was a disgrace
00:11:01and then kenneth williams sort of actually said
00:11:04oh so that's why they didn't pick him in the carry-on films
00:11:08there were even occasions when trying to save time and money almost cost
00:11:12well a lead actress
00:11:15when we were filming the bath bit
00:11:16you could be in there most of the day
00:11:18you know you were in and out of it
00:11:20in mainly
00:11:21i wish you'd get out of that bath now and then
00:11:24ah you're cross
00:11:25don't you love your little clue
00:11:27i love her as much as any man could love any woman who spends half her time up to her neck in ass's milk
00:11:31well i only bath four times a day
00:11:33but at the end of one busy filming day something had gone wrong with the bath's thermostat
00:11:38but what's wrong
00:11:39i'll tell you
00:11:40i mean it was
00:11:41like a very hot bath
00:11:44and they said we've got to get this shot in tonight
00:11:48and i went whoa
00:11:49oh okay i said i'll do it
00:11:52but you know just stand by
00:11:54and i'll rush in
00:11:55do it
00:11:56and rush out
00:11:58and um
00:12:00i was all right going down the steps
00:12:03but of course actually
00:12:05with that amount of water
00:12:07and the pressure
00:12:08as i got to the bottom two steps
00:12:10and it went past my heart
00:12:11oh jeez
00:12:13and i suddenly felt myself going
00:12:15and one of the prop guys
00:12:17standing by
00:12:18he got hold of my wig
00:12:20luckily it was clamped to my head
00:12:22and pulled me towards the thing
00:12:24if i'd gone under i'd have been a goner
00:12:27but with all this money being saved
00:12:29what happened to the money that got made
00:12:31coming up
00:12:34never before seen interviews reveal the cast's outrage
00:12:37over where the carry-on profits went
00:12:40obviously legally they have every right to hold on to every penny they made
00:12:44but nobody knew that the carry-ons would be so successful
00:12:48and the scandal of the carry-on merchandise
00:12:5025 years after barbara made her last carry-on film
00:12:54she finds herself emblazoned
00:12:56on a t-shirt like that
00:12:58it's christmas 1981
00:13:10the cold war is in full flow
00:13:12arthur scargill is elected president of the national union of mine workers
00:13:16and a compilation show of carry-on clips
00:13:19is the second most watched program
00:13:21in the christmas tv schedules
00:13:22the carry-on crew must have been thrilled
00:13:25one of the brainwaves that gerald thomas and peter rogers had in the 80s
00:13:29was to compile the films into half hour
00:13:34compilation programs for television
00:13:37so they would take the old films from
00:13:39you know 15 20 years before
00:13:42slice them all up into 25 minute chunks
00:13:44and bung them onto itv and bbc there were two series of conflations at the same time pretty much
00:13:49that meant obviously showing old clips of the carry-on films
00:13:52great royalties for all those you can see in them
00:13:56but no
00:13:57there were buyouts
00:13:59they got a flat fee and that was it
00:14:01so there were no royalties for anybody
00:14:04uh it was quite scandalous
00:14:07the carry-on stars contracts had made no provision for repeats
00:14:11or the existence of tv
00:14:12which wasn't in itself unusual
00:14:14but with new versions of their work still making millions for the producers and distributors decades later
00:14:20unbelievably the cast still didn't see a penny of this money
00:14:24and the fact that nobody actually benefited from all the repeats that went on on television
00:14:30is outrageous when one thinks back now
00:14:32and i don't know how they could have been allowed to get away with it
00:14:35in never before seen interviews
00:14:36recorded at the time of the 40th anniversary celebration
00:14:39for the first time we can now reveal the stars true feelings
00:14:43about their scandalous treatment
00:14:45at the hands of millionaire producer peter rogers
00:14:47i think it's immoral what they did
00:14:49they should pay us
00:14:50for those those compilations
00:14:52i don't care about the films showing them in their entirety on on television
00:14:56i don't mind about that
00:14:57but the compilations is wrong
00:14:59there's a lot of actors who didn't earn a lot of money
00:15:02who could do with that those few pennies
00:15:04and uh and peter rogers i mean he doesn't need it for god's sake
00:15:08doesn't he
00:15:10i mean i was totally amazed when i did a middle and far east tour
00:15:15just before the gulf war started
00:15:17and everywhere i went everybody said
00:15:20how they loved the carry-ons and i thought
00:15:23this is absolutely ridiculous
00:15:25you know to come to the other side of the world
00:15:28and yet we get
00:15:30and nothing
00:15:31nothing
00:15:32the films were everywhere
00:15:34a colorized version of carry-on nurse
00:15:37was even playing in reception on the first ever episode of casualty
00:15:41and some of the actors found themselves struggling for work
00:15:47because they were too familiar from films they'd made more than a decade previously
00:15:52you're in that little pigeonhole
00:15:53of being a carry-on artist
00:15:55i think that other filmmakers would not ever consider putting you
00:16:00in one of their pictures
00:16:01because
00:16:02oh she's a carry-on girl
00:16:04or
00:16:04you know he does the carry-ons
00:16:06it's it's sort of a bit of a schneid way of referring to you
00:16:10when in fact
00:16:11you know we hope all of us that we're much more versatile
00:16:14barbara windsor
00:16:15pre-eastenders
00:16:17who was not doing great
00:16:20you know she was she was doing panto and summer season still
00:16:23she was doing okay
00:16:24but then she's suddenly all over the tv
00:16:26in these films from 15 20 years ago
00:16:29and suddenly you're that carry-on girl again
00:16:32and if you go up for you know
00:16:34twelfth night or something
00:16:35they're going to say no you can't be a serious actress
00:16:37because you're in the carry-ons
00:16:39it was at one point a big big problem
00:16:42because practically once a week
00:16:44you would see me as that young girl
00:16:46and and people used to get phased
00:16:49and say oh no no no no
00:16:50they never gave me a chance
00:16:51i was never known as the carry-on lady
00:16:53until they did the compilations
00:16:55but suddenly
00:16:56i walked down the street
00:16:58and i remember some builder
00:16:59and i'd realised that they'd put them out
00:17:04the worst time they could have possibly put them out
00:17:07after coronation street
00:17:09so you had this ready-made audience
00:17:11at 7 30 was coronation street
00:17:1315 million
00:17:14and then oh
00:17:16oh
00:17:16eight o'clock was us
00:17:18it wasn't like the cast had been paid much in the first place
00:17:21i mean our salaries never went up
00:17:23in the entire
00:17:2430 that were made
00:17:26and i believe the ladies were paid half as much as the men
00:17:29i don't know for a fact
00:17:31because i wasn't in the habit of reading
00:17:33or even discussing
00:17:34other people's contracts
00:17:36those contracts
00:17:37stored deep in the archives
00:17:39revealed that the male stars
00:17:41sid james and kenneth williams
00:17:42would be paid four or five thousand pounds per film
00:17:45whereas hattie jakes and joan sims
00:17:47were getting two and a half to three thousand pounds
00:17:50and often considerably less
00:17:53i know for a fact
00:17:54many actors who
00:17:55complained about the fee
00:17:58which were notoriously bad
00:18:00there was no argument about it
00:18:02this was the fee offered
00:18:03yay or nay
00:18:04that was it
00:18:05it was peter butterworth who taught me
00:18:07a big lesson about money
00:18:09and not asking for more
00:18:11he said whatever they offer you
00:18:13just say yes
00:18:14because he
00:18:16he didn't twice
00:18:18and he was taken out of
00:18:19a couple of films
00:18:21in those days
00:18:22it used to be
00:18:23lion's corner house
00:18:25where
00:18:26actors would
00:18:27gossip
00:18:28and when somebody
00:18:29had been lucky enough
00:18:31to do anything
00:18:32connected
00:18:32with a carry-on film
00:18:34someone would
00:18:35automatically say
00:18:37well you won't get rich
00:18:39peter rogers was well aware
00:18:41of his stingy reputation
00:18:43amongst the cast members
00:18:44and didn't much care
00:18:46as this painfully honest joke
00:18:47at the 40th anniversary dinner
00:18:49awkwardly demonstrates
00:18:50most important of all of course
00:18:52were the artists
00:18:54i loved them very much
00:18:56and would do anything for them
00:18:58except pay them more money
00:18:59of course peter rogers
00:19:01made an awful lot of money
00:19:03out of the carry-on series
00:19:04let's not forget that
00:19:05because every
00:19:06carry-on film
00:19:07made a fortune
00:19:09absolute fortune
00:19:10carry-on nurse
00:19:11it started with carry-on nurse
00:19:12the second carry-on film
00:19:13was the biggest selling film
00:19:16of 1959
00:19:17you know
00:19:17it made millions of pounds
00:19:19and the only people
00:19:21who saw that
00:19:21were the distributors
00:19:22the tax man
00:19:24and peter rogers
00:19:25peter very much liked
00:19:26the best of everything
00:19:27he had
00:19:29over his years
00:19:3135 rolls royces
00:19:33i remember the
00:19:33iniquitous time
00:19:35i think it was under
00:19:36wilson's government
00:19:37when
00:19:38the tax rate
00:19:39believe it or not
00:19:40was 98%
00:19:42that
00:19:43you think about that
00:19:44so
00:19:45over every pound
00:19:46you had 2p left
00:19:48it's a terrifying rate
00:19:50but
00:19:51you could offset
00:19:52things
00:19:53and
00:19:54i think peter
00:19:56was able
00:19:57somehow
00:19:57to offset
00:19:58a world's rights
00:19:59which is rather clever
00:20:00but it wasn't just
00:20:01the tv rights
00:20:02which were keeping
00:20:03money pouring
00:20:04into peter rogers
00:20:04coffers
00:20:05some of the film's
00:20:06iconic moments
00:20:07and images
00:20:07have had a whole
00:20:08separate life
00:20:09of their own
00:20:10what are you doing
00:20:11in here
00:20:11get out of here
00:20:13i'm sorry
00:20:13if i'd known you
00:20:14were in here
00:20:14i wouldn't have
00:20:15come would i
00:20:15yes all right
00:20:16just get out of here
00:20:17quick before
00:20:18somebody comes in
00:20:19haven't got any
00:20:20soap on that bit
00:20:2125 years after
00:20:24barbara made
00:20:24her last carry-on
00:20:25film
00:20:26she finds herself
00:20:27emblazoned
00:20:28on a t-shirt
00:20:29like that
00:20:30which you could
00:20:31buy in a
00:20:32clothes store
00:20:33across the country
00:20:34and she got paid
00:20:35nothing
00:20:36no repeat fees
00:20:37no royalties
00:20:38she felt really
00:20:39unhappy
00:20:39she told me
00:20:40how unhappy
00:20:41she felt
00:20:41and it wasn't
00:20:43just her
00:20:43they had lots
00:20:44of other
00:20:45merchandise
00:20:45with other
00:20:46people on it
00:20:46i get all this
00:20:47memorabilia
00:20:48of carry-ons
00:20:49the camping
00:20:49scene
00:20:50the shower
00:20:52scene
00:20:52showing the
00:20:53bum
00:20:54carry-on dick
00:20:55with looking
00:20:56out of the
00:20:56coach
00:20:58with Sid
00:20:59another one
00:21:01where he
00:21:01pulls my bra
00:21:02and i'm like
00:21:03like that
00:21:03you see
00:21:04i get all these
00:21:05so there's a
00:21:06big big market
00:21:07and what the
00:21:07hell
00:21:07i don't know
00:21:08where does the
00:21:09money go
00:21:09i don't know
00:21:09who the money
00:21:10goes to
00:21:10so the actors
00:21:11weren't making
00:21:12any money
00:21:12out of the
00:21:13merchandising
00:21:14but people were
00:21:15not just the
00:21:16film distributors
00:21:16but the producer
00:21:17Peter Rogers
00:21:18if you look
00:21:19at the
00:21:19label
00:21:19the label
00:21:20washers
00:21:22wool cycle
00:21:22do not tumble
00:21:24dry
00:21:24iron on
00:21:25reverse
00:21:25the carry-on
00:21:26films were
00:21:27produced by
00:21:27Peter Rogers
00:21:28that's what it
00:21:29says on the
00:21:29label
00:21:30the actors felt
00:21:31so strongly
00:21:32about their
00:21:33treatment
00:21:33they even
00:21:34tried to
00:21:34mount a
00:21:35legal challenge
00:21:35Peter said
00:21:37it was perfectly
00:21:38legal
00:21:38you all signed
00:21:39the contracts
00:21:40you all had
00:21:40agents
00:21:41we discussed
00:21:42it
00:21:42your agents
00:21:42you know
00:21:43signed the
00:21:44contracts for
00:21:45you
00:21:45it's all
00:21:45perfectly
00:21:46legal
00:21:46and Barbara
00:21:47Windsor and a
00:21:48few of the others
00:21:49got together
00:21:49with a solicitor
00:21:51because they
00:21:51wanted to approach
00:21:52Peter about this
00:21:53and the advice
00:21:53was this is legal
00:21:55but was it moral
00:21:57I just think it's
00:21:58wrong I mean
00:21:58at the end of the
00:21:59day I mean
00:22:00I always wonder
00:22:02what Sid would have
00:22:02said if he'd have
00:22:03been around
00:22:03because he was so
00:22:04money orientated
00:22:05we did put a few
00:22:06quid together
00:22:06and go to a lawyer
00:22:07so we didn't stand
00:22:08a chance
00:22:09we should have
00:22:09known
00:22:09what a waste
00:22:10of money really
00:22:11admittedly
00:22:12it's only morally
00:22:15we tend to think
00:22:16something should be
00:22:17done
00:22:17obviously legally
00:22:19they have every
00:22:20right to hold on
00:22:21to every penny
00:22:21they made
00:22:22but nobody knew
00:22:23that the carry-ons
00:22:24would be so
00:22:25successful
00:22:26coming up
00:22:28the carry-ons
00:22:29go into battle
00:22:30with the censors
00:22:31what he used to do
00:22:32he often filled
00:22:33some extra
00:22:34seriously naughty
00:22:35scenes he knew
00:22:35would never be used
00:22:37and when the
00:22:38saucy jokes
00:22:39went too far
00:22:40you've got Sid
00:22:41James dressed up
00:22:42as Santa Claus
00:22:43and you've got
00:22:44Barbara Windsor
00:22:45who's then in her
00:22:46mid-30s
00:22:47dressed as a
00:22:47schoolgirl
00:22:48just a little bit
00:22:48uncomfortable
00:22:49it's 1976
00:22:59Brits are getting
00:23:00hot under the
00:23:01collar in a
00:23:01sweltering heat
00:23:02wave
00:23:03and the nation's
00:23:04youth is turning
00:23:05up the heat on
00:23:06the establishment
00:23:06via punk rock
00:23:08thank goodness
00:23:13there's a new
00:23:14carry-on film
00:23:15for some safe
00:23:16middle-of-the-road
00:23:17family entertainment
00:23:19oh my good grief
00:23:23bosoms everywhere
00:23:25oh how dare you
00:23:26come on parade
00:23:27improperly dressed
00:23:28we're only
00:23:29obeying orders
00:23:29aren't major
00:23:30the British board
00:23:33of film censors
00:23:34had always understood
00:23:35that boobs and
00:23:36bottoms played a
00:23:37very big part in
00:23:38the carry-ons
00:23:39but this attempt
00:23:40to compete with
00:23:41the full-on
00:23:41titillation of films
00:23:43like the confession
00:23:44series was a step
00:23:46too far for both
00:23:47censors and
00:23:48cinema goers
00:23:49carry-on England
00:23:51went out in 1976
00:23:53with a double-a
00:23:54which in those days
00:23:55meant for 14 years
00:23:56and older
00:23:57as the previous
00:23:58films had all
00:23:59received milder
00:24:00U or A
00:24:01certificates
00:24:01this was an
00:24:02unprecedented moment
00:24:04in carry-on
00:24:05history
00:24:05the BBFC
00:24:07classification
00:24:08didn't think that
00:24:09was what people
00:24:10went to see the
00:24:11carry-ons for
00:24:12which is true
00:24:12I mean
00:24:13you know
00:24:14it was a bit of
00:24:15slap and tickle
00:24:15for the dads
00:24:16and a lot of
00:24:17slapstick and
00:24:18silliness for the
00:24:18kids really
00:24:19they recalled the
00:24:20film and they
00:24:21edited it a bit
00:24:22and they took away
00:24:22a lot of the
00:24:23boob coverage
00:24:23so it was a
00:24:24little bit of a
00:24:25flash and then
00:24:26you didn't see
00:24:26anything more
00:24:27and it was given
00:24:27an A certificate
00:24:28for general
00:24:29distribution
00:24:29we need to
00:24:30remember
00:24:31that in the
00:24:321960s and
00:24:331970s
00:24:34getting humour
00:24:36through and
00:24:36past the
00:24:37censors
00:24:37was much more
00:24:39difficult than
00:24:40it is today
00:24:40in carry-on
00:24:42camping
00:24:42I have the
00:24:44lovely little
00:24:44scene with
00:24:45Charlie Hawtry
00:24:46in the tent
00:24:47the tent collapses
00:24:49and then from
00:24:49out of the tent
00:24:50comes Valerie
00:24:51Leon and then
00:24:52followed by
00:24:53Charles Hawtry
00:24:54oh hello
00:24:55she was showing
00:24:56me how to
00:24:57stick up my
00:24:58pole
00:24:58that was far
00:24:59far too
00:25:00suggestive
00:25:01in those
00:25:02days
00:25:02and it had
00:25:03to be changed
00:25:04to their
00:25:04pole
00:25:05stop it
00:25:05what on earth
00:25:06is the meaning
00:25:06of this
00:25:07I'm sorry
00:25:09Mr. Short
00:25:10the gentleman
00:25:11kept touching
00:25:11things
00:25:12splendid girl
00:25:13and so helpful
00:25:14do you know
00:25:15she's been
00:25:16showing me
00:25:16how to
00:25:16stick the
00:25:17pole up
00:25:17more often
00:25:18than not
00:25:18director
00:25:19Gerald Thomas
00:25:20did manage
00:25:20to slip
00:25:21his rude
00:25:21bits
00:25:22past the
00:25:22censors
00:25:23and there's
00:25:24a secret
00:25:25behind that
00:25:26what he
00:25:27used to do
00:25:27he often
00:25:27filled some
00:25:28extra
00:25:28seriously
00:25:29naughty
00:25:29scenes
00:25:30he knew
00:25:30would never
00:25:30be used
00:25:31he knew
00:25:32they wouldn't
00:25:32be passed
00:25:33but he would
00:25:33use them
00:25:33as a bargaining
00:25:34tool
00:25:34for the scenes
00:25:35he actually
00:25:36wanted to use
00:25:37for example
00:25:37in Carry On
00:25:38at the Kyber
00:25:40you've got
00:25:40Cardew Robinson
00:25:41playing this
00:25:41very incompetent
00:25:42Fakir doing
00:25:43doing all this
00:25:43kind of stuff
00:25:44I will now
00:25:45remove
00:25:45the second
00:25:46stool
00:25:47bring on
00:25:49the dancing
00:25:49girls
00:25:49get rid
00:25:50of this
00:25:50idiot
00:25:51Fakir
00:25:52off
00:25:52they had
00:25:53to ensure
00:25:54that the
00:25:55gap
00:25:55between
00:25:56Fakir
00:25:56and off
00:25:57was wide
00:25:58enough
00:25:59that it
00:26:00didn't
00:26:00offend the
00:26:00censors
00:26:01but Peter
00:26:01was even
00:26:02cleverer than
00:26:02that
00:26:03Gerald
00:26:03filmed
00:26:03another
00:26:04sequence
00:26:04the identical
00:26:06one
00:26:06where
00:26:08Bernard
00:26:08Bresel
00:26:08says
00:26:08oh
00:26:09he's
00:26:09just
00:26:10knowing
00:26:12full well
00:26:12that in
00:26:131968
00:26:13you weren't
00:26:14going to
00:26:14get that
00:26:14one
00:26:14passed
00:26:15they said
00:26:15well the
00:26:15other
00:26:15one's
00:26:15all right
00:26:16they went
00:26:16yeah okay
00:26:17you can
00:26:18have the
00:26:18Fakir
00:26:18off
00:26:18one
00:26:18instead
00:26:19when
00:26:20Carry On
00:26:21Teacher
00:26:21was filmed
00:26:22back in
00:26:221959
00:26:23the
00:26:24suggestive
00:26:24name
00:26:25of
00:26:25Joan
00:26:25Simms
00:26:26character
00:26:26alarmed
00:26:27the
00:26:27censors
00:26:27speaking
00:26:28in
00:26:291998
00:26:29Leslie
00:26:30Phillips
00:26:31hilariously
00:26:31recounted
00:26:32how he
00:26:32thwarted
00:26:33their efforts
00:26:33to tone
00:26:34down
00:26:34all
00:26:34cock
00:26:35simply
00:26:36by being
00:26:36Leslie
00:26:37Phillips
00:26:37because he
00:26:39had an
00:26:39idea
00:26:39you say
00:26:39oh
00:26:40cock
00:26:42or something
00:26:43like that
00:26:43you see
00:26:44so I
00:26:44flattened
00:26:46it
00:26:46I flattened
00:26:47it
00:26:48as you
00:26:48probably
00:26:48remember
00:26:49I just
00:26:50went
00:26:50all
00:26:51cock
00:26:51and the
00:26:52flatter
00:26:53I did
00:26:53the filthier
00:26:54it got
00:26:55who's
00:26:59that
00:26:59Miss
00:27:01Alcock
00:27:01Miss
00:27:04Alcock
00:27:05a
00:27:06a
00:27:06suavely
00:27:07smutty
00:27:08effort
00:27:08there
00:27:08from
00:27:08Leslie
00:27:09Phillips
00:27:09I bet
00:27:10you
00:27:10wouldn't
00:27:10catch
00:27:10that
00:27:11nice
00:27:11Joan
00:27:11Sims
00:27:11craftily
00:27:12making
00:27:12innocent
00:27:13words
00:27:13sound
00:27:13dirty
00:27:14I
00:27:14have
00:27:14this
00:27:14scene
00:27:14with
00:27:15Charlie
00:27:15Hawtry
00:27:15and I
00:27:16have to
00:27:16say
00:27:17my brother
00:27:17the count
00:27:18but I
00:27:19didn't say
00:27:20anything
00:27:20untoward
00:27:21but of course
00:27:22it is the
00:27:23way that
00:27:23you play
00:27:23it
00:27:24I mean
00:27:24if you
00:27:25just say
00:27:25my
00:27:26buff of
00:27:26the
00:27:26count
00:27:26doesn't
00:27:28mean
00:27:28anything
00:27:29but probably
00:27:29because it
00:27:29looked as if
00:27:30I was
00:27:30spitting in
00:27:31the gutter
00:27:31and doing
00:27:35by the time
00:27:37Carry On
00:27:37Abroad was
00:27:38released in
00:27:391972
00:27:39there was
00:27:40absolutely
00:27:41no attempt
00:27:42to conceal
00:27:42rude words
00:27:43whatsoever
00:27:44just ask
00:27:45this bloke
00:27:45I see
00:27:46well I'm
00:27:46the representative
00:27:47of Wonder
00:27:47Tour
00:27:47Stuart Farquhar
00:27:48stupid
00:27:49what
00:27:50Stuart
00:27:51Stuart
00:27:52Farquhar
00:27:53I think he
00:27:54was right
00:27:54the first time
00:27:55as any
00:27:55Stuart Farquhar
00:27:56knows
00:27:57Carry On
00:27:57characters
00:27:58have an
00:27:58unfortunate
00:27:59habit of
00:27:59losing
00:27:59their clothes
00:28:00but surprisingly
00:28:03the first
00:28:03ones to
00:28:04reveal all
00:28:05weren't
00:28:05the ladies
00:28:06but while
00:28:09there was
00:28:09a cheeky
00:28:09display
00:28:10from the
00:28:10boys in
00:28:11Carry On
00:28:11Constable
00:28:12it was
00:28:13inevitably
00:28:13the women
00:28:14who ended
00:28:14up in
00:28:15next to
00:28:15nothing
00:28:15when
00:28:19Barbara
00:28:19Windsor
00:28:20and Margaret
00:28:20Nolan
00:28:20came to
00:28:21blows in
00:28:22Carry On
00:28:22Girls
00:28:22the cast
00:28:24of the
00:28:24resulting
00:28:24fight scene
00:28:25had barely
00:28:26an outfit
00:28:26between
00:28:27them
00:28:27apart
00:28:28from the
00:28:28addition
00:28:28of a
00:28:29disgruntled
00:28:29donkey
00:28:30this was
00:28:31nothing new
00:28:31for Babs
00:28:32whose
00:28:33costumes
00:28:33in the
00:28:33carry-ons
00:28:34had
00:28:34regularly
00:28:34been
00:28:35well
00:28:35none
00:28:36existent
00:28:37the
00:28:38scene
00:28:38in
00:28:38Carry On
00:28:39Again
00:28:39Doctor
00:28:40where
00:28:40she's
00:28:41a
00:28:41performer
00:28:41and she's
00:28:41come in
00:28:42with just
00:28:43pasties on
00:28:43her boobs
00:28:44and that
00:28:45tiny heart
00:28:45shaped bikini
00:28:46and the
00:28:48sheet is
00:28:48pulled off
00:28:48her
00:28:49what's
00:28:52what's
00:28:52what's
00:28:53nothing
00:28:54nothing
00:28:54nothing
00:28:54at all
00:28:55it's
00:28:55all
00:28:56marvellous
00:28:56what
00:28:57happened
00:28:57to the
00:28:58rest of
00:28:58your
00:28:58clothes
00:28:58miss
00:28:58locks
00:28:59oh
00:28:59this
00:28:59is
00:29:00all
00:29:00that
00:29:00I
00:29:00was
00:29:00wearing
00:29:00I
00:29:01told you
00:29:01I was
00:29:01doing
00:29:01an
00:29:02advertisement
00:29:02just for
00:29:03interest
00:29:04what were you
00:29:04advertising
00:29:05bristol's
00:29:06bouncing baby
00:29:07food
00:29:07I can see the
00:29:08connection
00:29:09and Jim
00:29:10Dell goes
00:29:11and I just
00:29:12cannot believe
00:29:13what he's
00:29:13seeing
00:29:13that's in a
00:29:15weird way the most
00:29:16disturbing moment for me
00:29:17because we are seeing him
00:29:18almost like a piece of
00:29:19meat on a table
00:29:19speaking in 1998
00:29:21Barbara revealed
00:29:22just how true this was
00:29:24and how her attempt
00:29:25to feel confident
00:29:26wearing little more
00:29:27than a handful of
00:29:28sequins was dismissed
00:29:29I got very
00:29:31very nervous
00:29:32and I
00:29:33dieted
00:29:34because just before
00:29:35that film
00:29:36I was quite plump
00:29:37and I dieted
00:29:38and I remember
00:29:38the first day of
00:29:39filming was that
00:29:40scene with the
00:29:41hearts
00:29:41and there was a
00:29:42gag about
00:29:43Miss Bristol
00:29:44and all the rest of it
00:29:45and Gerald
00:29:46when I
00:29:47showed myself
00:29:48he went
00:29:49well that's the gag
00:29:50about Bristol's
00:29:51out the window
00:29:51what have you done
00:29:52to yourself
00:29:52you know like that
00:29:53but it wasn't always
00:29:55Barbara whose physical
00:29:56attributes came under
00:29:57uncomfortably close
00:29:59scrutiny
00:29:59Amanda Barry's
00:30:01costumes in
00:30:01Carry On Cleo
00:30:02are perhaps some of
00:30:03the most iconic
00:30:04and unforgiving
00:30:05in the carry ons
00:30:06but as she found out
00:30:08at a wardrobe fitting
00:30:09her petite physique
00:30:10wasn't quite
00:30:11carry on
00:30:12enough for the
00:30:13producers
00:30:13and he said
00:30:14what are we going to have
00:30:15we're going to have
00:30:16the little
00:30:17the little brazier
00:30:18over the breast
00:30:19here
00:30:20and the rest
00:30:21of the breast
00:30:21would be out
00:30:22the side
00:30:22well I kept
00:30:23trying to say
00:30:24to him
00:30:24we haven't got
00:30:25a lot to expose
00:30:26with me
00:30:27we've only got
00:30:28there isn't anything
00:30:31to put round the side
00:30:32this is me
00:30:33darling
00:30:33I was this very
00:30:34thin creature
00:30:36with nothing
00:30:36at all
00:30:37and he went
00:30:38oh my god
00:30:40and he rushed
00:30:41to the phone
00:30:42and he was on the
00:30:43phone to the
00:30:43producers
00:30:44and all I could hear
00:30:45were things like
00:30:46no we can't operate
00:30:47there's no time
00:30:48to do that
00:30:48we start filming
00:30:49I stood there
00:30:52I was so
00:30:54humiliated
00:30:56astoundingly
00:30:58drastic action
00:30:59was taken
00:30:59to make
00:31:00Cleo's cups
00:31:00overflow
00:31:01they sent me
00:31:03to the hormone
00:31:04specialist
00:31:05in Harley Street
00:31:07who
00:31:08Frank Sinatra
00:31:09used to go to
00:31:10they all used to
00:31:10go to
00:31:11little boosters
00:31:12to get their
00:31:13things up
00:31:13and what with me
00:31:14they were trying
00:31:14to get my
00:31:15things out
00:31:15and he said
00:31:16there's nothing
00:31:17I can do
00:31:18and I think
00:31:18he said to me
00:31:19you're the nearest
00:31:20thing to a
00:31:20hermaphrodite
00:31:21I've ever seen
00:31:22that didn't help
00:31:24doesn't feel you
00:31:26full of
00:31:26enthusiasm
00:31:27when you're
00:31:28playing Cleopatra
00:31:29compared to the
00:31:32challenge of
00:31:32flying under
00:31:33the film
00:31:33censor's
00:31:34smut radar
00:31:35getting away
00:31:36with saucy
00:31:36content on
00:31:37TV should
00:31:38have been
00:31:38easy
00:31:38but this
00:31:39uncomfortably
00:31:40flirtatious
00:31:40encounter
00:31:41had viewers
00:31:42at home
00:31:42choking on
00:31:43their tea
00:31:43say hello
00:31:45nicely to
00:31:45Father Christmas
00:31:46here little
00:31:50soul
00:31:50well I'm
00:31:51sorry
00:31:51she doesn't
00:31:52mean it
00:31:52she's only
00:31:5230
00:31:53get away
00:31:54ITV's
00:31:56fourth annual
00:31:57carry on
00:31:57Christmas
00:31:58was probably
00:31:58not the
00:31:59gift
00:31:59the nation's
00:32:00viewers were
00:32:00expecting
00:32:01you've got
00:32:02Sid James
00:32:03dressed up
00:32:03as Santa
00:32:04Claus
00:32:04and you've
00:32:05got Barbara
00:32:06Windsor
00:32:06who's then
00:32:07in her
00:32:07mid-30s
00:32:08dressed as
00:32:09a schoolgirl
00:32:10what are you
00:32:10gonna give
00:32:11me
00:32:12yeah well
00:32:17you're making
00:32:17it hard for
00:32:18me but
00:32:18inevitably
00:32:23this incurred
00:32:24the wrath of
00:32:24television's
00:32:25most notorious
00:32:26moral guardian
00:32:27Mary Whitehouse
00:32:28who wasted
00:32:29no time in
00:32:29sending a
00:32:30strongly worded
00:32:30letter to
00:32:31the bigwigs
00:32:31at
00:32:32Thames
00:32:32television
00:32:33viewers who
00:32:36spoke to me
00:32:36found the
00:32:37program highly
00:32:37offensive in
00:32:38its sexual
00:32:38innuendos and
00:32:39general attitudes
00:32:40more than one
00:32:42mentioned the
00:32:43episode in which
00:32:43Barbara Windsor and
00:32:44Sid James made a
00:32:45joke of a 13 year old
00:32:46girl having sex
00:32:47unfortunately it
00:32:50seems to be
00:32:50accepted that the
00:32:51viewer will take
00:32:52anything so long as
00:32:53it's presented as
00:32:54humour this is not
00:32:56at all so and if
00:32:57this is the thinking
00:32:58behind such a
00:32:59production perhaps it
00:33:00might be reconsidered
00:33:01from the point of
00:33:02view of what is
00:33:02responsible rather than
00:33:04what we thought
00:33:05funny
00:33:05after carry on
00:33:08England there was no
00:33:09return to the slap
00:33:10and tickle and
00:33:10doublon tendres of
00:33:11old in fact the next
00:33:13outing drifted even
00:33:14further into x-rated
00:33:16territory
00:33:16you're doing a spoof of
00:33:19a sex film you know
00:33:21having been warned by
00:33:22the bfbc that that's
00:33:23not what they want in a
00:33:24carry on really and
00:33:25the audience doesn't
00:33:26want it and emmanuel
00:33:27didn't do well at all
00:33:28i will make you love
00:33:30me if it's the last
00:33:31thing i do
00:33:32i think she's
00:33:35necked him
00:33:36there came a point
00:33:37where they should have
00:33:38said we're not doing
00:33:41this anymore because
00:33:42it is so far away from
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00:33:49films that we enjoyed
00:33:51making the minute you
00:33:52have to expose your body
00:33:55parts to have the joke
00:33:57work and that's the end
00:33:59of it
00:33:59coming up the secret
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00:34:03stars she had a side on
00:34:05her which you wouldn't
00:34:07mess with but of course
00:34:08because she was married
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00:34:10to she knew the craze
00:34:12and kenneth williams
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00:36:49it's 1973
00:36:57the nation celebrates as the uk
00:37:01finally joins the european
00:37:03economic community
00:37:0490 million people watch billy
00:37:07jean king win the battle of the
00:37:08sexes and on the set of carry on
00:37:12girls things seem to be carrying
00:37:14on as usual as a chuckling sid james
00:37:17attempts to bed a giggling
00:37:18barbara windsor
00:37:19leave it outside the door please
00:37:23but this time something is
00:37:27different
00:37:27in 1973 the pair had begun an affair
00:37:33and unbeknownst to the audience or their co-stars
00:37:37their on-set canoodling had taken on secret complications
00:37:41the two you should watch if you want to see the cracks
00:37:45it's carry on girls and carry on dick
00:37:47is this true
00:37:48oh i cannot tell a lie sir i have been a bad girl
00:37:52well it must stop right away you hear
00:37:54oh but still you see
00:37:55and you can see it in their chemistry there's a little bit of
00:37:58a bit of grit has got in somehow you know particularly carry on dick
00:38:02as barbara explained when she was interviewed for sid's biography
00:38:06before this film it didn't bother me to do all that wiggling in front of sid
00:38:10but i had a scene where i had to seduce him and i just couldn't do it
00:38:14i couldn't shake everything about in front of him
00:38:16the change in our relationship had put a wall between us
00:38:19when it came to doing things like that in a scene
00:38:21sid and barbara's first appearance together in 1967's carry on doctor
00:38:26has certainly sent sid's pulse racing
00:38:28hi
00:38:29but they had spent many years simply as great friends
00:38:35they were friends for a long long time
00:38:38they were always doing charity gigs together
00:38:40and appearing at first nights and premieres with other people
00:38:43just good pals
00:38:45when they started seeing each other during the filming of carry on girls
00:38:49and then a carry on stage show
00:38:50even barbara herself assumed it was just a one night stand or two
00:38:54i knew barbara windsor very well
00:38:56we were friends
00:38:57i also know the james family very well
00:39:01there's no doubt that there was affection there
00:39:04there was feeling there
00:39:05and barbara felt quite strongly for sid
00:39:08their relationship became an open secret in the industry
00:39:11but sid and barbara were both married
00:39:13barbara to east end gangster ronnie knight
00:39:16and with carry on dicta film
00:39:18sid promised his wife that once the shoot was over
00:39:21the affair would be too
00:39:22being the consummate professionals they both were
00:39:25they got through those six-week shoots and delivered the funnies
00:39:29but then a new job sprung up
00:39:31a six-part carry-on television series
00:39:34and their scenes must have felt awkwardly familiar
00:39:37this time sid promised his wife that it would be over by the time he left for his theatre tour of australia and told barbara that if he couldn't have her he'd be dead within a year
00:39:54and it was indeed just over a year after the ultimatum that sid james died on stage in april 1976
00:40:03sid was lovely he was a true gentleman i mean you know he had this reputation as a womanizer
00:40:11but in fact he looked after the ladies very well on the films i think it's really sad because i think sid actually really did love barbara but he loved his wife and his family as well
00:40:23and so i'm sure he was very very much torn
00:40:26in another unseen interview clip the strength of barbara's feelings for sid are clear when she relates an incident from the year after his death
00:40:34i remember when they phoned me up to do the compilation of the big the big of the big screen that's carry on
00:40:42ladies and gentlemen from 28 films
00:40:45and god knows how many film stars
00:40:47that's carry on
00:40:49they showed the first clip
00:40:52and it was sid
00:40:54and he died the year before and i had
00:40:58makes me sad
00:41:02i had um same hairstyle
00:41:05and i remember thinking
00:41:07oh my god he's gone and we didn't talk
00:41:10because we didn't talk in the end you know it was the only way i could
00:41:12stop this obsession with him
00:41:14and um
00:41:16kenny looked at me and he went what's wrong with you
00:41:19and the tears were falling down my face
00:41:22i said he's not with us
00:41:23you know and there he was laughing
00:41:26in that cackle
00:41:27and um
00:41:28he said oh
00:41:29big silly cow what's wrong with you
00:41:32i saw sid and i and i ran out
00:41:35and he was lovely
00:41:37he came after me
00:41:38he said oh barn i'm so sorry
00:41:39i forgot how close you were with him
00:41:41and uh
00:41:42and he was sweet and lovely
00:41:45and we had a cup of tea
00:41:46and he said now come on you silly old pro
00:41:48you've got to get out there and do it
00:41:50barbara's off-screen life married to slightly dubious nightclub owner ronnie knight was rather eye-opening to some of her castmates
00:42:05barbara was a powerhouse absolute powerhouse she was always very sweet quite formidable though she had a side on her which you wouldn't mess with but of course because she was married to who she was married to she knew the craze
00:42:20and one day she said to me would you like to go to um my husband's bar in the west end i went yes
00:42:28so we went up and it was so exciting so we got to the door we knocked on the door three times and this way and this guy went yes i said um i'm barbara windsor's friend oh all right love
00:42:45and this guy opened the door and inside was a bar
00:42:50ronnie was over in the corner with his hands like that on the table with about five guys around him
00:42:59he came over and said all right
00:43:02any friend of barbara's friend of mine
00:43:04and he went all the food you want
00:43:06any drinks you want
00:43:07you're all right
00:43:08okay you're all right in me
00:43:10this other guy comes over and went and he was really one of those typical kind of the nose
00:43:15and he went all right love i went yeah he said anybody disturbs you any come to me my name is freddie the frog
00:43:25i went thanks freddie it was just the most exciting thing that's happened to me
00:43:34barbara's closest friendship on the carry-ons was with kenneth williams and it was sometimes a little
00:43:41too close
00:43:42when barbara was married in the 60s and she told kenneth that she was going on honeymoon he invited
00:43:49himself not just him but his mother and his sister and they all went to madeira on
00:43:56barbara's honeymoon
00:43:58i mean can you imagine that
00:43:59kenneth could certainly be fun to be around here's a perhaps too revealing story from carry-on behind
00:44:06sorry joan
00:44:07joan and i sat in the caravan waiting
00:44:10she said to me i have to go for a wee
00:44:13but i'm talking about the days when the caravans didn't have toilets
00:44:17you know they were there were toilet blocks
00:44:20that you go
00:44:21i said well there's no toilet
00:44:23she said i know i know
00:44:24she said just pass me that polystyrene cup
00:44:27and she picked her skirt up and she was having a wee
00:44:30and kenneth williams walked in
00:44:33completely ignored what she was doing and just went
00:44:37no tea for me thank you
00:44:40and walked off outside
00:44:41kenneth certainly knew how to make an entrance
00:44:44i remember we were doing on henry
00:44:47there was a sequence where kenny was the other side of the door
00:44:50and it was knock knock
00:44:52and then somebody said who's there
00:44:54and then kenny said
00:44:57i'm thomas crumwell
00:44:58crumwell quickly
00:44:59the lord chancellor
00:45:09i think we did about three times
00:45:11and it went knock knock
00:45:12and somebody says
00:45:13who's there
00:45:15and kenny says you bloody well know who it is
00:45:17open the door
00:45:17and of course the whole crew
00:45:20went in laughter
00:45:21mr williams could make being on set great fun for cast and crew alike
00:45:26but we can reveal he was also prone to getting right on their nerves
00:45:31there's that story in follow that camel
00:45:34where he went up to jim dow
00:45:36just at the start of the shoot
00:45:39and he said oh by the way i think i should tell you
00:45:41that peter butterworth hates your guts
00:45:43i mean one can't imagine someone as benign as peter butterworth
00:45:48hating anybody
00:45:49but uh and then he told peter butterworth
00:45:52oh jim hates you
00:45:54i saw peter
00:45:55and peter was looking at me with a slight
00:45:58and i was looking back at him
00:45:59and we didn't talk for about three or four days
00:46:01i avoided him in the canteen
00:46:03and he seemed to be avoiding me
00:46:05and finally after about three or four days
00:46:07i went over to him
00:46:07i said excuse me peter
00:46:08has kenneth williams been saying anything to you about me
00:46:11he said he told me you hate my guts
00:46:13i said but he told me you hate
00:46:15and there's kenneth 20 feet away
00:46:17and going ha ha ha
00:46:18now this is wicked
00:46:19this is wicked
00:46:21we nearly killed the little bugger
00:46:22i mean i chased him all over pinewood backlot
00:46:24encountering kenneth's wicked side
00:46:27became an occupational hazard
00:46:28and after a day of filming
00:46:30carry on at your convenience
00:46:31fellow cast member hugh footcher
00:46:34was on the receiving end
00:46:36the subject came up of
00:46:38everyone's got a funny story
00:46:40as the circle got nearer to me
00:46:44i really was if you like tongue-tied
00:46:48in thinking
00:46:48do i have a funny story
00:46:51and i remembered something
00:46:54so i did that
00:46:55and the reaction
00:46:57to it was very favorable
00:47:00suddenly kenneth williams got to his feet
00:47:03came over towards me
00:47:06and he pinched my cheek
00:47:08and said
00:47:10in that
00:47:10way of kenneth's
00:47:12you will remember i'm the funny one dear
00:47:14won't you
00:47:15squeeze my cheek
00:47:17and then left
00:47:17i just get out of my bath
00:47:19and slip into something
00:47:20a little more comfortable
00:47:21if you don't mind
00:47:22a pinch on the cheek
00:47:24was pretty mild
00:47:25compared to the treatment
00:47:26amanda barry got
00:47:28on the opulent
00:47:29but slightly soggy set
00:47:31of carry-on clio
00:47:32you were saying
00:47:36they called me
00:47:37and i got this dressing gown on
00:47:39and i got up
00:47:40to go onto the set
00:47:42kenneth came behind
00:47:43and he ripped it off
00:47:44and went
00:47:44that's mine
00:47:45i thought
00:47:46but you know
00:47:48i haven't got names on
00:47:49and this one was just put on me
00:47:50and of course i was left there
00:47:52stark naked
00:47:52it gave me quite a shock actually
00:47:54and i think it was sid
00:47:55that threw me another dressing gown
00:47:56it was a shock
00:47:57to have that
00:47:58done
00:47:59even in the
00:48:0060s
00:48:01but of course
00:48:02kenny
00:48:02was a rule
00:48:04unto his
00:48:04you know
00:48:05unto himself really
00:48:06wasn't he
00:48:07one way into another
00:48:08kenneth was
00:48:10a tricky
00:48:11person
00:48:12without a doubt
00:48:13because kenneth
00:48:14didn't know
00:48:15who kenneth was
00:48:17i think that spilled out
00:48:19into real life
00:48:20joan did say to me
00:48:22you know
00:48:22kenneth williams
00:48:23is a genius
00:48:24but he has
00:48:25lots of sides to him
00:48:26and you have to know
00:48:27which side
00:48:28you're talking to
00:48:29i just knew
00:48:30he was either grumpy
00:48:31so you kept away
00:48:33he was funny
00:48:34and outgoing
00:48:35so we
00:48:35you could all have a laugh
00:48:37or he was very inward
00:48:39and then you had to be very careful
00:48:42kenneth williams is one of the most fascinating characters i think in 20th century entertainment history
00:48:50here we have an introvert
00:48:52who makes his living from being an extrovert
00:48:55you have one of the most famous comic figures of the second half of the 20th century
00:49:01and yet you have a man who lives alone in a very spartan flat next door to his mother usually who lived opposite him
00:49:09kenneth famously didn't like having people in his flat
00:49:12particularly his loo
00:49:14and in another unbroadcast interview clip
00:49:16joan sims needs a wee again
00:49:18hattie and i did bombard his flat one day
00:49:21we were all in the same car going home
00:49:23and we said we're coming to tea kenneth
00:49:26and he said i'm not having anybody in my flat
00:49:28so we said we're coming
00:49:30and we went in
00:49:32and i mean it was absolutely spartan
00:49:35you've never seen anything like it
00:49:37and he wouldn't let us use the toilet
00:49:39he just wouldn't
00:49:41he said you're not going to my lavatory
00:49:43no you have to wait
00:49:44and we had to wait
00:49:46gave us a pot of tea
00:49:47much against his wishes
00:49:50and wouldn't let us use the lavatory
00:49:52so when it came time to go into the powder room
00:49:55we had to actually depart
00:49:57because only if it was somewhere to go
00:50:00kenneth's privy might have been private during his lifetime
00:50:06but following his death in 1988
00:50:08his dearest friend barbara windsor
00:50:10was forced to invade his smallest room
00:50:12all in the name of posterity
00:50:14in 1994 when we put up a blue plaque
00:50:18remembering kenneth williams
00:50:20at his actual flat in london
00:50:23she said yeah i'll unveil it
00:50:24and we got normal wisdom to unveil it with her
00:50:27what you don't see
00:50:29is how they managed to look out of the window
00:50:32so you could take the shot downstairs
00:50:34with the plaque
00:50:36because of all the places
00:50:38that they had to lean out the window
00:50:40it was kenneth williams bathroom
00:50:41and i'll never forget
00:50:42there's barbara windsor saying
00:50:44well how am i going to do this
00:50:45so she climbed onto the
00:50:46onto the bath
00:50:47put one leg on the bath
00:50:49she said mo she said
00:50:50hold my bum
00:50:51so i'm going oh right
00:50:52it was the first time i'd actually met her
00:50:54so i had one hand on barbara windsor's bum
00:50:56and normal wisdom
00:50:57was standing on the toilet
00:50:59and leaning over
00:51:00and another hand on normal wisdom
00:51:02another hero of mine
00:51:03because i thought
00:51:03life is never going to get better than this for me
00:51:06and you know what
00:51:07it never has
00:51:08coming up
00:51:10the revolving door of the carry-on casting department
00:51:14if sir james wasn't available
00:51:15he brought in super subs like harry h corvett or something
00:51:18if kenneth williams wasn't available
00:51:19they brought in frankie howard
00:51:20and the secret life of charles haughtry
00:51:23he collapsed he just fainted
00:51:26and of course he had had too much to drink
00:51:28and i think that was one of the disciples
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00:52:49It's 1962.
00:52:50The Cuban Missile Crisis has put the planet on the brink of nuclear Armageddon.
00:52:55The world's first public hover bus service launches in Rill.
00:53:03And setting sail at Pinewood Studios is carry-on cruising with familiar face Charles Hawtry on board to play the ship's cook.
00:53:11Hang on, that's definitely not Charles Hawtry.
00:53:17Very nice.
00:53:18In fact, Hawtry had been replaced in the role by fresh-faced young comedian Lance Percival.
00:53:23But why?
00:53:24Charlie, of course, he was an extraordinary man, and he had the most wonderful career when he was young.
00:53:32He'd started off with a very young Alfred Hitchcock.
00:53:36Errol Flynn.
00:53:37Douglas Fairbanks Jr.
00:53:38Vivian Leigh.
00:53:40Worked with Will Hay, who was probably the most famous star of the 1930s.
00:53:44He also worked with George Formby, who was one of the most popular film comedians of his day.
00:53:51Anyone can see the external.
00:53:52We look deep inside a man.
00:53:54We see his soul, his thoughts, his fears, and his worries.
00:53:57Worries?
00:53:59Well, that lot inside him is entitled to have worries.
00:54:02But as the carry-ons grew in popularity, Hawtry was never seen as the film's biggest name,
00:54:08and would always be billed below Sid James and Kenneth Williams.
00:54:12Sid and Kenneth were both on five, and next was Charles, with about £2,000 a film.
00:54:19By the time it came to carry on cruising, Charles Hawtry decided he deserved a bit more money,
00:54:23better billing, and brilliantly, a star on his dressing room door, the total legend.
00:54:28You know, Peter Rogers couldn't let any actor be that important and that big
00:54:34that they called the shots, because that way leads to anarchy.
00:54:37You know, when the inmates take over the asylum, that's the end of it, really.
00:54:41Charles tried it on.
00:54:42He asked for more money, star on his dressing room door, better billing,
00:54:45and they said, no, you're all right, Charles, we'll use Lance Percival.
00:54:50We're fine.
00:54:51And they did.
00:54:53By the way, this wasn't the first time a carry-on star had been replaced by someone
00:54:57who bore absolutely no resemblance to the original actor.
00:55:01Carry-on Up the Jungle had been supposed to star heartthrob Jim Dale as Ugg,
00:55:06but for some reason he found the script uninspiring,
00:55:09so the loincloth was passed to the rather less swoon-worthy Terry Scott.
00:55:13Ooh, hope they washed it.
00:55:14Aaaaaah!
00:55:17You don't have to tell everybody.
00:55:20Here. Night time.
00:55:22When Sid James was too busy to play the lead in Carry-On Screaming,
00:55:27his last-minute replacement was the at least vaguely similar Harry H. Corbett.
00:55:32I mean, the character's called Sidney Bung.
00:55:34It's written for Sid James, right?
00:55:35But it's still a brilliant carry-on film.
00:55:38Oh, you don't want to bother about the cases.
00:55:40Slow button.
00:55:41You want to learn to relax more.
00:55:44Take things as they come.
00:55:46That's what gets results.
00:55:47It was rep company.
00:55:49It was a rep company on screen.
00:55:51If Sid James wasn't available or didn't want to do it,
00:55:54they brought in super subs like Harry H. Corbett or something.
00:55:57If Kenneth Williams wasn't available, they brought in Frankie Howard.
00:55:59There was always somebody to plug the gaps.
00:56:03But these guest stars didn't just take the coveted top billing from the regulars.
00:56:07When Phil Silvers joined the cast of Follow That Camel
00:56:10in a bid to popularise the carry-ons in America,
00:56:13he not only topped the bill,
00:56:14but made the salaries of the regular cast look like small change.
00:56:17So you're in action here.
00:56:18Er, no irony was intended in this clip.
00:56:22Oh, sir, this isn't necessary.
00:56:24I have enough medals.
00:56:25It is a proud moment just to serve for you, sir.
00:56:28I don't...
00:56:29Oh, there's a goodie.
00:56:30Yes.
00:56:31This one here.
00:56:32Mmm, solid silver.
00:56:33Splendid.
00:56:34Thank you, sir.
00:56:35For this appearance, Phil Silvers received a staggering £30,000 plus generous perks
00:56:42in comparison to his co-stars, most of whom never earned more than 5,000 quid.
00:56:48So the cast members were in and out like nobody's business.
00:56:51And after being dropped from cruising, Charles Hortree was quickly back in the fold for carry-on cabbie and carry-on jack.
00:56:59But he was soon proving a thorn in the production's side for another reason.
00:57:03Charles Hortree always liked to drink, but it was less noticeable, obviously, in the early films.
00:57:09By carry-on spying, Hortree's drinking was affecting his ability to play some of the more physically demanding scenes.
00:57:17It's Kenneth Williams, Barbara Windsor in her very first carry-on.
00:57:20Bernie Cribbins and Charles Hortree are these four sort of British agents.
00:57:24And they're all on this sort of weird contraption going through and losing their clothes, as any carry-ons would do.
00:57:30And being squirted with sort of white toothpaste or all sorts of nonsense going on.
00:57:35It was quite a physical scene to do, and Charlie Hortree was not a young man then.
00:57:39And he collapsed. He'd just fainted.
00:57:42And, of course, he had had too much to drink.
00:57:45Hortree's drinking was possibly the reason he was dropped again for the following year's carry-on screaming.
00:57:51But Peter Rogers was forced to make a U-turn.
00:57:54Or was it a U-bend?
00:57:55A journalist had written an article saying,
00:57:58Oh, it's going to be such a shame, you know, a carry-on film, carry-on screaming, without Charles Hortree.
00:58:05Peter Rogers, on hearing this, thinks, well, no, we can't have this happen.
00:58:09Especially because it's a trade publication.
00:58:11And everyone in the film industry would read this.
00:58:14Anyway, they'd put him in as Dan Dan the lavatory man.
00:58:17Oh, you're the young friends with that girl, aren't you?
00:58:20Yes, yes.
00:58:21What do you know about it?
00:58:22Plenty.
00:58:23But it'll cost you a bit.
00:58:25All right, all right.
00:58:27There'll be quite enough of that sort of talk.
00:58:29Yeah, what do you think you're doing? Who are you pushing?
00:58:31I am a police detective, and I must warn you that I shall take down anything you say.
00:58:35All right?
00:58:36Trousers.
00:58:38He was only in it for two scenes, but he lit up the screen in just those two scenes.
00:58:43By this stage, sadly, Charles Hortree was a confirmed chronic alcoholic.
00:58:49He'd found it difficult to perform for many years.
00:58:52The drinking was getting worse and worse, and you look at those last few films,
00:58:55particularly his last film, Carry On Abroad, he's always swigging out of a bottle somewhere.
00:59:00Even out of suntan lotion, he's swigging, you know.
00:59:02It's part of the script.
00:59:04They had to give him a role that involved alcohol to explain away his slurring and his drunkenness.
00:59:28Carry On Abroad was Hortree's last carry-on film, but it was another argument over billing,
00:59:32this time for the 1972 Christmas TV special that spelled the end of Hortree's carry-on career.
00:59:38Because they had other things going on, Sid and Kenneth weren't going to be in this TV special.
00:59:44By default, Hortree should have leapfrogged into first billing.
00:59:49But because it was a TV special, they wanted Hattie Jakes, who was a greater name at this point on television.
00:59:56Hortree couldn't bear the idea of Hattie going on top and refused to do it.
01:00:03And Gerald said, look, I'm pleading with you.
01:00:06Please, Charles, accept second billing and we can carry on as normal.
01:00:11And he said, just remind me, Sid's not doing it? No.
01:00:14Kenneth's not doing it? No. Well, there we go. I get top billing.
01:00:17And he said, no, it's Hattie. She's a big star on Thames.
01:00:21He said, no, don't want to do it.
01:00:23And Gerald said on the phone, look, this is it now.
01:00:27You've got to tell us, yes or no, are you going to do this?
01:00:32And he said, no. And put the phone down.
01:00:34I think it wouldn't have hurt Peter Rogers to give him top billing just that once.
01:00:40But Peter Rogers, that was the bottom line.
01:00:43He had had enough for Charlie by then.
01:00:47Coming up, more unseen interviews reveal the dark heart of Carry On.
01:00:52You're going through a bad time and you think, my God, where's the next bit of money coming from?
01:00:58Where's the next rent going to be paid?
01:01:00And will Peter Rogers change his ways?
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01:01:07He says, I want you to witness my will.
01:01:15I've found you.
01:01:17I can get rid of any one of you.
01:01:20You've isolated yourself.
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01:02:04It's 1984.
01:02:06The provisional IRA fails in its attempt to assassinate Margaret Thatcher in the Brighton Hotel bombing.
01:02:12It was an attack that struck at the very heart of the establishment.
01:02:15Britain's top musicians release a charity single in aid of Ethiopia, and eight years after the end of the Carry On films, one of their stars is about to hit the papers again, and not for the right reasons.
01:02:26Four years before he died in 1988, Charles Hortree, a fire at his house in Deal, and it was a particularly ferocious fire.
01:02:39So Charles Hortree made a dash for it.
01:02:42He was absolutely naked, and someone found a blanket and wrapped it around him.
01:02:46And of course he didn't have his toupee, which he hated being caught without his toupee.
01:02:51According to Charles's friends, the fire was deliberate.
01:03:03It was by a young man who had spent the night with Charles, had demanded payment, but he refused to pay.
01:03:12And so this young man set fire to his sofa.
01:03:16We've already revealed a bit about the cast's anger at not getting a share of the film's enormous profits over the years.
01:03:23But there was more to this than just griping.
01:03:26After the Carry On films stopped being made, times were hard for some of the cast.
01:03:31Perhaps most shockingly in the case of Charles Hortree.
01:03:34The only thing he had, really, once the Carry Ons had finished, were these really cheap seaside pantomimes, paying £250 a week.
01:03:43Nothing. He did a few things on the radio, but in the last decade and a half of his life, he had that and nothing else.
01:03:56No other work. What was there left for him to do but drink.
01:03:59And so he drank.
01:04:00The unseen interview clips, which we've uncovered, reveal that the cast members felt very strongly about the total lack of support offered to those who needed it.
01:04:13The fact that all the millions and millions and millions and millions of pounds that have been made from the Carry On films since television came in,
01:04:23not one penny has in any shape or form gone to some sort of fund, a fund that could help out those aging technicians, those aging actors and actresses.
01:04:36Somewhere along the line, it would be nice if somebody said, hey, I've made enough money out of you guys to give you a few bucks back to help you in your old age.
01:04:45And dear Charlie, at the end, he wanted to buy his bottle of sherry and then run down to the end of the docks and wave to some pretty sailor going by.
01:04:52That made him happy.
01:04:53But suddenly, because of these Carry Ons being so successful, he was being recognised.
01:04:58He couldn't do what he wanted to do. Do you know what I mean?
01:05:00And I remember him saying to me, and I can't afford to send a fan mail, but I ain't got the money anymore.
01:05:05He was badly treated by Peter Rogers and the production team. I think he was. And he wasn't the only one.
01:05:16Joan Sims certainly needed money. Those films would be on TV all the time and she wouldn't get any residuals.
01:05:21And it was awful. I knew Joan really well and I was actually working with her at that time.
01:05:26And in her latter years, she had a period of ill health, so she couldn't work as much.
01:05:30And Joan found herself in a position where she didn't have much money. She was on her own.
01:05:34She was living in a church flat where her rent was assisted.
01:05:39I don't just speak for me. I feel we all contributed a great deal to the entertainment industry.
01:05:46And the fact that sometimes, you know, because of one reason or another, you're going through a bad time and you think,
01:05:56my God, where's the next bit of money coming from? Where's the next rent going to be paid?
01:06:01When you're a bit on your uppers, I think you'd be a very unreal person if you didn't feel slight bitterness.
01:06:11I always remember meeting Liz Fraser at some charity function and she said she'd never talk to Peter Rogers again.
01:06:20And I said, well, why not? And she said, well, when Joan was ill and before she died,
01:06:24I went to him because she had no money to see if he would, you know, contribute to her health bills and everything.
01:06:32And he wouldn't. And I think that's unbelievably awful, really.
01:06:38Those films are loved for their performances and yet it really matters that they did not get paid properly
01:06:43and they never see any of the profits of these films when they're repeated.
01:06:47I think that's a very dark heart of the carry-on genre, isn't it?
01:06:52That these actors were so exploited.
01:06:57In later years, though sadly too late for the likes of Charles Hortree, Joan Sims and countless others,
01:07:03Peter Rogers did try to do right by the carry-on team.
01:07:06I got a phone call from Peter saying, oh, Morris, I'd like you to come and sign something for me.
01:07:10He says, I want you to witness my will.
01:07:13I think he began to realise that in fairness, he should have done something more for some of them.
01:07:18And it ended up going to one of the great entertainment charities that looks after actors who've fallen on hard times.
01:07:23I find Peter Rogers to be an exploitative profiteer when it comes to the cast.
01:07:30Because commendable though it was for him to leave the carry-on royalties to charity, fantastic.
01:07:38But during his lifetime, there were charity cases all around him.
01:07:43Who could have done with that money then?
01:07:44In one more unseen interview from before his late burst of generosity, Peter Rogers had this to say.
01:07:51They did the deal with the agent and the agent did the deal with me and that's that.
01:07:59I don't see why I should go back and say, oh, I feel terribly sorry for you.
01:08:03Have this as half a crown.
01:08:07Never paid enough.
01:08:08Peter Rogers' attitude to his cast was shockingly cold.
01:08:16But his commitment to the carry-on name was enduring.
01:08:20Peter Rogers never gave up.
01:08:22He thought that by tapping into what was in the national psyche at the time, particularly on television, that might be the way forward.
01:08:29And so, for example, there was the big hit that was Dallas at the time.
01:08:33J.R. Ewing, Bobby Ewing, all that kind of stuff.
01:08:36And they wrote a script called Carry On Dallas.
01:08:38I've got a copy of it here.
01:08:40Carry On Dallas characters.
01:08:42So instead of J.R. Ewing, we've got R.U. Ramming, Fireball Drawing, Orson Upshaft, Theo Clap.
01:08:51And so they go on.
01:08:51Can't think why this was never made.
01:08:54Other ideas Peter Rogers tried to get away in the 1980s included cashing in on the popularity of neighbours with Carry On Down Under.
01:09:02And a return to the medical arena with Carry On Again Nurse, which got so close to being made that Gerald Thomas, Bernard Bresslaw and Jack Douglas went on TV to do their best to promote it to this insultingly incredulous interviewer.
01:09:15I mean, why on earth bring them back after ten years?
01:09:18I mean, they were magic at the time.
01:09:19But haven't things rather moved on?
01:09:21Well, they have.
01:09:22But really, we're bringing them back more or less by public demand.
01:09:25We've had an enormous amount of pressure and correspondence in the last six months.
01:09:30But are they still going to be the same?
01:09:32Is it still going to be some tits and bums and innuendos?
01:09:34Yes, maybe bums and tits instead, but it's going to be the same, yes.
01:09:38There was one last hurrah in 1992 with Carry On Columbus, though it didn't quite capture the original Carry On magic.
01:09:48I've been counting the ship's crew.
01:09:50There seem to be several men missing.
01:09:51You see?
01:09:52Yes.
01:09:52Where, for example, is the ship right?
01:09:54He's aloft.
01:09:55And what's he doing?
01:09:56He's shortening the spritzel yard.
01:09:59And this hair maker?
01:10:00Oh, he's aloft as well.
01:10:01Doing what?
01:10:03He's sewing up the slash in the spritzel that the ship right made with his saw while he was shortening the spritzel yard.
01:10:08Richard Wilson, Maureen Littman, Bernard Cribbins, Rick Mayle.
01:10:13But nobody, not even Jim Dale, could save Carry On Columbus.
01:10:22Apart from the occasional blip, the Carry Ons are a distinctly British institution.
01:10:28And though they may be dated, we'll carry on enjoying them for years to come.
01:10:33There are some great gags in them.
01:10:35There's great slapstick.
01:10:36You can enjoy all those moments.
01:10:37So there's something childlike about these films, even though they're supposed to be about sex.
01:10:43They just spun gold out of nothing, those people.
01:10:46To get such a brilliant cast of actors and a brilliant team of technical people, it was just, you know, some sort of alchemy happened there.
01:10:54No way would anybody have thought the Carry Ons would have lasted.
01:10:58Not at all.
01:11:00And yet people do still enjoy them, don't they?
01:11:03I think.
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