The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 05- Kim Kardashian, Sarah Paulson, Bryan Cranston, Rachel Zegler, Little Simz
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00:26Good evening, everyone.
00:29You're very welcome to the show.
00:31I tell you, I am feeling good about tonight's show.
00:34The audience, you sound amazing.
00:36The guest list is sensational.
00:38I've got my Skims underwear on.
00:40Hey, look over there, singing for us later for the first time.
00:44It's the fabulous Little Sims.
00:46Yeah.
00:48She'll be performing her new single, Lion.
00:52But first, get ready to roar for my sofa guest tonight.
00:56He first found fame as the mild-mannered dad in Malcolm in the Middle.
01:00Then turned drug kingpin in Breaking Bad.
01:02And this year won his seventh Emmy as an unhinged movie boss in the studio.
01:06Now he's back on stage in Arthur Miller's All My Sons.
01:10It's our good friend, Brian Cranston!
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01:52And we have two stars from the new legal drama, All's Fair.
01:55One earned an Emmy for her role as Marcia Clark in The People versus O.J. Simpson
02:00and starred in nine seasons of the cult anthology series American Power Story.
02:05The other is part of a reality family dynasty
02:08who became a global entrepreneur, fashion icon and soon to be a lawyer.
02:13Please welcome Sarah Bolson and Kim Kardashian.
02:22Hello!
02:40Welcome back everybody. First time welcome to Kim Kardashian. Hello.
02:44Thank you for having me.
02:45Lovely to see you. I'm very happy to see that is a sitting down dress.
02:48I saw you backstage and I thought, will that be a sitting down dress?
02:51But it's good. I'm praying that it is.
02:53Sorry.
02:55So what is it? So we can see through it.
02:59You can. It's by Dilara. It's like latex. I think Sarah said it best.
03:03It's like a condom with a doily underneath it.
03:08Beautiful.
03:09I'm wearing a couch and she's wearing a condom.
03:11And now Rachel, am I right that you and Kim met at the academy, museum, gala, gala?
03:25We were at the same table but I couldn't see anyone.
03:29Before you go to that.
03:31So this is Rachel. This is Rachel who's on the host committee.
03:35I was hosting, yeah.
03:36You're on the host committee.
03:37I was Rachel.
03:38Looking lovely.
03:39Now you're thinking, why couldn't Kim see Rachel?
03:42This is Kim.
03:43Kim couldn't see anyone.
03:45You know what? I really wanted to commit.
03:48Before I walked out, I was in the car and I was about to put the mask on and I text my sister Kylie a picture.
03:55And I said, should I wear the mask or go in and take it off or just wear it at the table and pretend to not eat or something?
04:02And she said, commit.
04:04And so I could see through it a little bit and I saw your hair and the color of your dress.
04:09And I knew it was you and then I felt so awkward going up to people like, hi.
04:14It's me.
04:15It's Kim.
04:16It's Kim.
04:18It's Kim.
04:19The photo looks like you're in the witness protection room.
04:23But still wants to do the red carpet, goddammit.
04:25Still looks fabulous.
04:27And I did have like a full two and a half hour hair and makeup, full glam under there.
04:32Wow.
04:33What was the pitch that when the designer said, and the final piece, you're going to love it, is a mask.
04:42It was a runway piece.
04:44It's like how it was on the runway.
04:46And I really loved it.
04:47And it was just, it's his vision.
04:49It was Glenn Martin at Margiela's vision.
04:50And I wanted to honor his vision.
04:51Yeah.
04:52Gorgeous.
04:53And your shoulder makeup.
04:54We get to see that.
04:55Your shoulders have never looked fine.
04:56Glowing.
04:57Glowing.
04:58Brian and Sarah, I know you've met because, Brian, you gave Sarah her Emmy.
05:03Yes, I did.
05:04And I was pleased to do it.
05:05And I'm trying to remember which one.
05:07I've only won one.
05:08That's the one.
05:09That was the one.
05:11I liked the compliment though.
05:13I'll take it.
05:14I'll take it.
05:15Yeah, I, I, you did hand me my Emmy and you don't remember the face that I gave you?
05:18When I, cause I was climbing the stairs.
05:20Yes.
05:21Living in like an apoplectic terror that I was going to face plant.
05:24Yes.
05:25And so.
05:26And that's why I, oh yeah.
05:27You see this, but what you're not seeing is that I'm looking at you like, get them up
05:30here.
05:31And I was like really giving him the old, the old what for in the eyeballs.
05:35And what's sweet is that, Brian would say, which one?
05:38He has seven.
05:39I know.
05:40Seven.
05:41You just won your latest, you just won your latest for the studio.
05:50Yeah.
05:51And which you are so good in.
05:52So good.
05:53You are so good.
05:54You play a kind of big studio, Uber boss.
05:57Yeah.
05:58And there's that mad final show in the series where, is it mushrooms you're on?
06:02I'm, I'm on all kinds.
06:04That's yeah.
06:05I'm wearing a, I'm wearing a phallus hat and I'm eating, I'm eating a lobster.
06:10I'm absolutely supposed to be out of my mind high.
06:15I love this next picture.
06:16Let's see.
06:17This is you.
06:18I love that.
06:19And that's.
06:21They did a weekend at Bernie's tribute to try to get me up and out of the way.
06:26And so we're, we're doing the scene and, and the way Seth Rogen works on this show
06:31is fantastic.
06:32You all got to say yes when they call you because you have to get out the plot points,
06:37but then say whatever you want, do whatever you're, you're playing the whole time and throwing
06:42out ideas.
06:43And one time on the, this last episode, I was in inside the fountain at the Venetian hotel
06:51in Las Vegas and there was this Phoenician woman.
06:55And it was like, Oh my God, she was beautiful.
06:58And, and I was, you know, first kissing her.
07:01And the next take I was, I was fondling her and the next take she was fondling me.
07:05And, and at one point I thought, I'm just going to try to make the writers laugh.
07:10Cause now it's take 16.
07:12And, um, well, I started copulating this statue.
07:17Oh yeah.
07:18Yeah.
07:19And yeah.
07:20And so.
07:21And it's when you and Emmy.
07:22No.
07:25Note to self.
07:26When in doubt, copulate.
07:29So I, and it was like an interesting thing because I just wanted to make them laugh.
07:34And that's the take they used.
07:36I didn't, I didn't realize they were going to use it at the end.
07:39Didn't realize.
07:40Yeah.
07:41They kind of ignore these moves.
07:45And listen, let's get started.
07:47Kim Kardashian and Sarah Paulson are together in the new legal drama series, All's Fair.
07:53It starts here on the 4th of November on Disney plus.
07:57And now there's a lot of excitement about this.
07:59The trailer was the most watched trailer on Hulu of all time.
08:03200 million views.
08:06Ladies and gentlemen.
08:08Let's add to those numbers by watching a bit of the trailer now.
08:15Okay.
08:16Here we go.
08:17Boy, do I love coming here.
08:19Walking down that hallway shaped like a clown cervix.
08:23Beef curtains.
08:25Black Mae West.
08:26As much as I'd love to continue to exchange pleasant cocktail pleasantries.
08:30There is a war to be won.
08:33I love my job.
08:38Look it out.
08:39Look it out.
08:40Look it out.
08:41Look it out.
08:42Look it out.
08:43Look it out.
08:44I tell my clients every day, you never really know a person.
08:46It's just a trap.
08:47Guess who's here with me right now?
08:50Jay, say bye-bye to your future ex-wife.
08:53Bye-bye.
08:54See you in court, you poor discarded.
08:57Let's slide her on fire.
09:00Showtime, lady.
09:02Love and war.
09:07Before you comment on my new appearance, please know that this look is mine.
09:12Nothing more than next Halloween's costume where I will be dressing as a whore lawyer.
09:17I'm sorry.
09:18I'm sorry.
09:19I'm sorry.
09:20I'm sorry.
09:21I'm sorry.
09:22I'm sorry.
09:23I'm sorry.
09:24I'm sorry.
09:25I'm sorry.
09:26I'm sorry.
09:27This is written and directed by Ryan Murphy who you've both worked with before.
09:30Sarah, you've worked with him so much.
09:32So many times.
09:33He's like the only person who continues to hire me.
09:37So let's get into it.
09:39It's an all-female law firm.
09:41Who do you play, Kim?
09:42I play Elora Grant and we used to work at the same firm but we leave her.
09:47Behind, which is what turns you into that person.
09:49Very bitter.
09:50Yes.
09:51And it's me, Niecy Nash and Naomi Watts with our mentor Glenn Close.
09:56Yes.
09:57And we start our own all-female-led family law divorce firm.
10:01Yeah, and you're dealing with your own divorce.
10:03And yes, I get...
10:04Yes.
10:05And is that what...
10:06So you end up being kind of arch enemies?
10:08Well, I was left behind.
10:10They started their own firm.
10:11We were sort of growing up together.
10:13I go out on my own after they don't take me and then I make my life's work about murdering
10:19them basically.
10:20OK.
10:21OK.
10:22Fair enough.
10:23And here's the thing, Kim.
10:24Obviously you are so, you know, seasoned as a TV performer, you know, the queen of reality
10:30television, but this is different, you know, stepping into the acting thing.
10:35So what were the kind of do's and don'ts?
10:36What were the things that people told you about before you started this?
10:39I mean, working with a cast like this, and this is my first big project on my own, I wanted
10:46to just make sure that I was really prepared.
10:48I wanted to make sure that I...
10:50If what I can control is making sure I absolutely knew my lines, was on time, super professional,
10:56I just wanted to come...
10:57Late every day.
10:58No.
10:59Every day.
11:00I did not.
11:01It was crazy.
11:02With an acting.
11:03I was just like, whoa!
11:05Whoa!
11:06Oh, she was on Kim time.
11:08I was like, you know, Jesus, I'm kidding.
11:11I mean, I've just had the best time, the best...
11:15It's just, you have no idea what working with these women is like.
11:18It's like summer camp.
11:20All day long.
11:21It looks like...
11:22It strikes me that, you know, compared to a lot of the other things in your life, this
11:25must be so fun.
11:26It is.
11:27We've seen those pictures of you guys, all the cast in Paris, just having such a...
11:30That's your birthday, isn't it?
11:31Yes.
11:32Yes.
11:33Yes.
11:34Was it before production you had the slumber party at your mom's party?
11:36It was during production.
11:37I...
11:38I had never seen Fatal Attraction.
11:40Can you believe this?
11:41So, working with Glenn, if that's like a must.
11:43Young.
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11:58Young, it's true.
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12:07her favorite Oreo cookie shake Oreo cookie shakes from what's that place it
12:12was a Dairy Queen yeah and lots of martinis yeah was Glenn relaxed about
12:23you all just watching her film well first of all she was a little drunk yeah
12:29very drunk yeah and hearing her commentary about everything that was
12:34going on was so fascinating and it was so funny like it was yeah she was talking
12:40about needing to like drink a pitcher of margaritas during this one sex scene in
12:44the elevator yeah and she said that there was like a pitcher of margaritas on
12:47the bottom of the elevator floor and like every time they cut she would drink one
12:51because it was you know that very yes scene where there's a lot of things
12:56happening yeah yeah yeah nice nicely described
12:59good thing I suppose Kim is that you're not gonna be intimidated by all these
13:09famous actors because you grew up around family like I'm alright was Madonna your
13:13neighbor she was I would walk her dog but when I was eight years old I would walk
13:18her dog and she paid me in remember those like jelly rubber neon bracelets yeah she
13:24paid me in those she's so cheap she handed them to me in a shoebox and I
13:31went to school I remember going to school wearing them and all my friends were like oh my god that's
13:39so cool where did you get that and I was like Madonna gave it to me yeah right just
13:4470 hours of walking your dog sitting in school with the dog you still have the
13:54bracelets and I was like no I don't know what I did with them she was like
13:58that's like you lost the coolest thing in the world and I was like how could I
14:02have given away Madonna's bracelets I wish I still had them I like that she's
14:07annoyed you gave them away to a child who's walking your dog for free how precious were
14:15they I'm talking Madonna famously Madonna also played Evita did she rock up to see
14:24you no I love that film no but Elaine Page who originated the role out here came twice which
14:35is amazing and then she came you know she was there no I prefer not to know of course you got
14:42a letter you got a lovely letter I got a lovely letter from Dame Judi Dench whoa which was good
14:48noise everyone I came into my dressing room and there was this letter on blue paper sitting on
14:57my dressing room table and I didn't I completely like skip the letterhead I just was reading what
15:02it said and it was so complimentary so sweet and wonderful I couldn't really read the signature and
15:09I tried to look at the letterhead it says from the desk of Dame Judi Dench and I freaked out it is
15:13now in a double-sided frame that's correct yeah watch and learn but cut to Dame Judi Dench in the
15:25theater she opens up a basket that she like wiped her mouth after eating a hot dog yes I'd take it yeah
15:41absolutely that would be valuable that would be valuable like a mustardy I would just take it
15:48and mmm yeah I put it in a Lucite box that's what I'm saying let's continue let's let's throw others out
15:55in all sphere obviously we're saying it's an eagle drama and Kim you are where are you in that you're
16:01very nearly qualified aren't you um yes I took the bar exam in July and I get it I get the results a few
16:09days after our premiere so in two weeks oh my god oh why around please paper I worked really really
16:16why does it take so long I don't know it's hand graded yeah okay yeah the essays are hand graded
16:23was this something that you just always wanted to do or are you going to actually practice law I hope
16:28to practice law maybe in like 10 years I'll give up being Kim K and be a lawyer like a trial lawyer
16:33amazing yeah that's like my don't wear this unless you want to distract the jury yes it could be my strategy yeah it could be yeah
16:45um because and obviously law is in your blood your father Robert Kardashian he was famously part of the team that
16:52defended OJ Simpson how old were you when that was happening I was 14 so also you do remember it yeah
16:58I do remember I went to the trial once to visit because my dad was like this is a piece of history
17:02I want you guys to witness it and my mom was Nicole's best friend so we were at my dad's that week and so
17:09my mom and my stepdad are sitting with the Brown family on this side and then my dad pulls us in and
17:14we had no idea my mom was going to be there and we're skipping school for this oh my god no idea so
17:19me like look over and my mom is like girls you know trying to get our attention in the middle of
17:24the trial and we're like do not look at mom she's like get out of here I was like it's dad's time you
17:31know like we're with him so yeah and famously then Sarah you played Marcia Clark yes uh in the people
17:39versus OJ so did you discuss the trial at all while you're working together no you're not enough not
17:46enough we did it we touched on a few things but yeah like tea stuff that we really wanted to get
17:52us yeah I mean it's such a weird thing to connect you to yeah it is yeah yeah it really is it's really
17:59interesting because this was like a really big part of our lives I mean they portrayed me and my sisters
18:04in the show as well so it was interesting to see that and I was so I mean like Marcia Clark would call
18:11the house and talk to my mom and I would answer the phone so like I've been I was so how'd I do
18:16so was it your father's fame that kind of made the Kardashians interesting because you I know you
18:26worked with Paris Hilton and things what was the thing that kind of sparked the maybe a combination
18:31but a lot of like my stepdad and he was like um you know doing reality shows and he was kind of out
18:38there in the spotlight a lot so I think it was just the combination of all those things of all of
18:43those things and hanging out with Paris and being a part of that life and also just being really good
18:49at it and then well and then they asked us to shoot a pilot we had no idea what it would really turn
18:55into and then a show fell through that they were doing on the e-network and they're like can you start
19:00filming next week and film a whole series and so we just kind of got thrown into it and it lasted 20
19:05years yeah it's our it's our 37th season filming a reality show is that a record that must be a record
19:14well I mean we switched networks so we did 20 seasons of keeping up with the Kardashians 10 seasons of
19:20spinoffs and now this is season 7 of the Kardashians wow spill the tea did you recreate scenes no never no
19:27we didn't have to every time we were filming something sometimes at the end of the season we were like
19:33we're going to be so boring we filmed every crazy thing that's possibly happened to us what could
19:40we possibly film next and then like my stepdad will turn into a woman and it'll be like
19:45so relatable but also we must congratulate you on the success of skim yes yes yes because so you know
20:05you have an underwear line you think well that's nice what is it valued at something like four billion
20:11dollars I mean that is nuts and you are properly involved yes yes I do everything from all the
20:20design to pick out all the campaigns I I do everything that's what like that's my daily job
20:26when we were watching uh fatal attraction the thing that Kim was doing was snapping pictures of the
20:31lingerie that Glenn was wearing and then because she was thinking about skims ideas and things so it's
20:36like it all comes from that the idea that crazy horse crazy horse we went to the crazy horse the
20:42other night and but also it's that thing where you you just have that knack of marketing where you come
20:48up with something that someone else might have thought of and got it well no I'm not going to do
20:51that but you go no I will and then it just takes over the world like the face what is it called the
20:57thing the face is it a face the face shapewear face yeah we all need a little double chin snatch
21:03so don't say that again oh no we don't and is this your idea it was and you wear it at night all day
21:25okay but yeah I mean I just I figured a lot of women they use shapewear for other body parts to hold
21:35it up why wouldn't you want to hold up your face no it's so I mean hello patient zero and this there
21:47was some controversy with your thong and was what's it called the ultimate the ultimate boy ultimate bush
21:54the ultimate bush so we've got so many different colors there's a selection this is like a chocolate
21:59box a chocolate box it's awesome don't ever say chocolate box again okay
22:03why don't you not say chocolate box okay no we did wow does the carpet match the drapes campaign
22:16oh is that a yesi that's like a clear one yeah I'm mature platinum blonde I'm mature oh
22:24how the hell did this idea come up I love it I did a photo shoot once and they wanted me to
22:36have it was like a crazy shoot and they wanted me to have hair in my pantyhose and so then like just
22:43to look very like 70s like a 70s bush and I just thought how do you get this like do we cut like
22:54our hair wow how do you get your 70s bush and so we just like cut hair extensions and put it in like
23:09we're laughing at the same time people in 15 minutes I'm wearing one right now
23:22what's the next big idea what's the what's the next thing we're going from merkins to skims beauty oh
23:48yes launching all makeup and fragrance and um yeah starting with fragrance then into beauty and
23:58amazing body products and really fun wow skims beauty an impressive person yeah I'm the unstoppable Kim
24:06Kardashian so impressive it really is all right let's move on to Rachel Zegler talk of the town this summer
24:15in the sold-out run of Evita at the London Palladium now the cast album if you didn't see it you can hear
24:22it because the cast album is out and now
24:31you're doing your eight shows a week you're stepping up you're being Miss West End yeah but
24:35you're recording this at the same time yes in a very amazing way that allows people who listen to it to
24:42hear it the way that it was performed it was recorded live at the Palladium which is amazing
24:46they recorded the whole show over the course of like eight or nine of them and then when we came
24:50in for like you know what we would call pickups where we would just you know refine certain things
24:55it was all on stage at the theater oh with the mics that we were using every night and um the finished
25:00product I'm I'm very very proud I think it's so fantastic well listen let's just remind ourselves of
25:06of Rachel's amazing performance oh god yes
25:09I'm there
25:15Savior that's what they call me so Lord it will call me anything goes to make me fantastic I have to be ready for
25:27oh
25:28oh
25:29so good
25:34you were at opening night weren't you
25:36I was at opening night I was at opening night with Pedro Pascal and yeah there we are yeah my mom
25:45and dad mom and dad am I really old enough to be your mother no no no and even if you were no
25:54one
25:57oh
25:58one second
26:00I was at opening night it was one of the more extraordinary things I've ever seen
26:05I know amazing I saw it I saw it later yeah yeah it was that's ridiculous yeah and you and Pedro went to see you
26:12we went to see you and we waited a very long time for you and you never came out I'm so sorry
26:18but I think it was because you know it was press night it was press night I had and I remember Pedro and I being like we've never been two bigger losers than we are right now
26:28never never never never
26:29and we had been like weeping and screaming and jumping up and I was like the great
26:32and I could see you the whole time
26:33you could oh yeah
26:34oh it was the most it was the most I think extraordinary performance I've seen on stage
26:39I'm so glad I saw it it was really remarkable
26:42thank you
26:44thank you so much
26:46did you see it?
26:47no
26:48oh my god
26:49and tell me this you know you as a little girl I think you wanted to play Evita
26:52yeah
26:53but you can't even in your mind ever imagined it being like this
26:56not at all I thought I will do it in my community theatre and that will be enough
27:00and then I did it for
27:01do it now in the community
27:02I would love to do it
27:03I'd go back in a heartbeat it'd be so fun
27:06I never could have imagined it would be in this format with these amazing people some of them are in the audience tonight
27:12I'm so where are you guys?
27:13I love them so much yeah so
27:23it was amazing and the interesting so everyone in the theatre loved it but then there was this moment that everyone was talking about
27:31where people outside the theatre get to love you too so we've got a little bit before we see that
27:37so describe I mean you don't know so describe to Kim what happened
27:40absolutely it's essentially intermission happens
27:43with this act 2 yeah
27:44yeah and during the intermission I'm getting into what the public knows as Evita with the blonde wig and the big white dress
27:50and a camera at the top of act 2 would follow me outside to the balcony of the Palladium and stream into the theatre
27:58so that the theatre goers could see
28:00there's Rachel up there
28:02yeah there's little tiny me
28:03wow
28:04and so did you know that it was going to turn into this huge withdrawal
28:07not at all
28:08no because when we were doing tech for it one or two people would kind of stop and be like
28:13that looks like the girl from Snow White
28:15and walk away
28:16and then all of a sudden it was like TikTok viral the next day
28:19and then by the end of the run we had 130,000 people that had come over the course of 12 weeks
28:25because they couldn't get a ticket
28:26wow
28:27yeah
28:28they couldn't get a ticket
28:29and they knew exactly what time she was going to get out of
28:31exactly when to come see
28:32yeah yeah yeah yeah
28:33fantastic
28:34we've got a clip that this is what someone just shot from the street
28:36oh no
28:37and I don't know why this I find this so moving
28:40this is just this is Rachel singing her heart out in Argyle Street and just listen to the crowd
28:46all you have to do is look at me tomorrow
28:53it's so quiet
28:54it's a pin drop
28:55yeah
28:56everyone is true
29:06you're there
29:07it's sobbing
29:08it's the last time
29:09it's the last time
29:10you are in tears
29:11you're in tears
29:12I know
29:13here goes a big movement
29:14love it
29:20so good
29:22what amazing
29:23I can't believe in that
29:28I feel like I'm loving that
29:29that was good
29:30also in the audience one night was your mentor the man who kind of shot you to fame
29:35Westside sorry Steven Spielberg rocked up
29:37there he is
29:39he he
29:40she did see him Sarah
29:41yeah clearly
29:42Literally. He didn't wait for an hour and a half that's why.
29:45I'm so, so sorry.
29:46And that's what happens when you come two weeks before you close.
29:51He's the best. I can't.
29:52I still, like, it was one of those really weird out-of-body experiences
29:56where I was performing on stage and I could just see his silhouette perfectly.
30:00And it was like, I was 17 again.
30:01You didn't know he was going to be there?
30:03I knew he was coming. I didn't know when.
30:05And I felt like I was 17 auditioning for West Side Story again,
30:07being like, I hope he likes me. I really hope he likes me.
30:09And I think he did.
30:11Yeah, I think everyone did.
30:13Because actually, Brian, you've worked with Spielberg, haven't you?
30:15Yes, I did Saving Private Ryan.
30:19But just a small role, I played a one-armed colonel.
30:23There you are.
30:23Oh, you got me.
30:24Oh, good. Look at him.
30:26And so when they shot me...
30:28As described, I think you'll find.
30:31Funny.
30:32Laughing at the handicap.
30:36You tell them, Brian.
30:38You tell them.
30:38Doing that shot, my arm was actually on my bum, holding my bum, as it is.
30:46And so I thought, well, how would a guy like that operate in life?
30:51And I thought, okay, I'm going to figure out how to have a little demitasse cup and a glass.
30:57And I'm reading that note down here, and I'm stirring this, tap, tap, put the spoon on the saucer, put the saucer down, turn the page.
31:06You know, and so I was really excited.
31:07I worked on this for like a week because I wasn't working.
31:10And Stephen comes in, and I go, Stephen, I want to show you something.
31:14And I showed him the whole thing, and I'm reading the report, you know, I got the thing, I stir my coffee, tap, tap, put the spoon on the demitasse, put it down, turn the page.
31:25And he goes, yeah, good.
31:26We're not going to do that.
31:29That's so good.
31:31Here's something.
31:32I like the way you look like you still remember how to do it.
31:34I was like, I was working on it for so long.
31:37I'm going to do it somewhere.
31:38Yeah.
31:39Actually, I'm realising a lot, but you also worked with Stephen Spielberg.
31:41Yes, I did.
31:42And The Post.
31:43The Post.
31:44I played Tom Hanks' wife.
31:45Oh, there you are.
31:46Incredible.
31:47Look at how young I look.
31:48I love that movie.
31:50And then you were directing, and you asked him for advice.
31:54Yeah, I was going to direct an episode.
31:56I did direct an episode of American Horror Story.
31:58Woo!
32:02And it was the hardest thing I ever did in my life, and the scariest thing I've ever done.
32:06And kind of very confronting, because I realised I'm really like a glass half-empty kind of person,
32:10and that's really not the spirit that you want when the person is directing.
32:14But he did give me great advice, which he said, to change your shoes at lunch.
32:18Huh, okay.
32:19With someone else?
32:20No, like, go and bring a second pair of shoes, so that you're like, because your feet get tired.
32:25Yeah.
32:25Because, you know, while you actors are off in your trailers.
32:27Oh, look at how it is now.
32:29You see what I mean?
32:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:30We're over here just really working.
32:31But you were acting in the show that you were also directing.
32:34I was, yes.
32:34That's crazy.
32:35How did that work?
32:36That was not great.
32:37No?
32:38That was hard.
32:39So many shoes.
32:40So many shoes.
32:41I needed my shoes, my character shoes, my Steven Spielberg directing shoes.
32:45Was your director self complimentary to your actor self?
32:48No, she thought I was terrible.
32:51Oh, very quickly.
32:52Lots of rumours flying around.
32:56Will America get to see your Evita?
32:59Are you going to Broadway?
33:00It's not up to me.
33:01I would love to.
33:02Who's it up to?
33:03I don't know.
33:03God?
33:04Like, it's...
33:05Wait, so you say yes.
33:07Dude, I need you to make this happen.
33:08Yeah, so if it doesn't happen, it's not you.
33:11Yeah, I'm in.
33:12I want to do it so badly because I am a New Yorker.
33:15I want to bring this thing that I love so much to my home.
33:19And in your head, do you know what theatre you'd like to be in with a nice balcony?
33:22It would be so cool to just have something that had like a plaza across the street
33:27so that we don't have to stop traffic in New York,
33:31especially in the theatre district in Times Square.
33:33Oh, well, I so hope it happens for everyone over there.
33:37Rachel Zegler.
33:40Seven a week.
33:41Seven.
33:41Seven a week.
33:42Sorry.
33:43I have more good news for theatre lovers.
33:45Brian Cranston is returning to London's West End.
33:50They're thrilled.
33:50They're excited.
33:52He stars in Arthur Miller's All My Sons.
33:55It starts at Wyndham's Theatre on the 14th of November.
33:59And this is obviously the Arthur Miller classic,
34:01directed by the great Ivo van Hove.
34:04And he's one of those people, he's a bit like Jamie Lloyd.
34:06He takes these kind of pieces you think you know,
34:08and then he shakes them up.
34:10So is there a big idea behind this production?
34:12There are several big ideas behind it.
34:15I'm not at liberty to reveal what that is.
34:18But you always are surprised with Ivo's productions.
34:23You know, we did network together,
34:25and it was, you know, jarring and fascinating.
34:30And we're having fun.
34:31It's a great cast, and it's a beautiful play.
34:34Arthur Miller wrote this in the late 1940s,
34:37right after World War II.
34:38And it's about betrayal and family and ideology
34:43and, you know, death and family.
34:48It's a comedy!
34:51And also the other thing, apparently,
34:52you like British audiences.
34:54I do, very much.
34:58Have you worked here before?
35:00Oh my God.
35:01Well, first of all, we're in a country
35:05that actually truly values art and theatre
35:09of all kinds and supports it.
35:11In America, it's commercialized.
35:14That's what it is.
35:15It really is commercialized.
35:17In America, at the end of a play,
35:19it could be a terrible play.
35:21And everybody, oh!
35:23Whoa!
35:24Oh my God!
35:26And I'm sitting there going,
35:27oh my God, this play was awful!
35:30And I feel compelled now to stand up.
35:33In Britain, they do not stand.
35:36If they don't like it.
35:37And they will give you a polite applause
35:39to the level of the appreciation of the show.
35:43And as performers, I appreciate that.
35:47Don't stand up out of obligation.
35:50If something we did on stage
35:53compels you to stand and cheer, fantastic.
35:57But if it doesn't, don't.
35:58I like the lazy British audience
36:00where they don't give you a standing ovation,
36:01they do the high clap.
36:04They're like, I would stand, but fuck that.
36:07You get the idea.
36:09I really liked it.
36:11Yeah, good.
36:13See?
36:14Oh, good.
36:15Oh!
36:15Oh!
36:16Oh!
36:18But no, but Rachel Zegler
36:21is nodding along,
36:22but you haven't experienced that.
36:23Your audience were on their feet every night!
36:26Well, that, yes, and that was very nice.
36:27It was a very singular experience.
36:29I did a play in New York,
36:30and I completely agree with the pity stands
36:33that happens where it's like,
36:35they're just,
36:35it's just so,
36:36they're standing because it's over.
36:38And, you know,
36:40and it's lovely,
36:41and it feels lovely,
36:42but not unless you feel like
36:43you've really, really earned it.
36:44And I was,
36:45we were very fortunate on it.
36:46No, but I've never said it.
36:47Evita, you turned people into Americans.
36:50Because the standing ovation
36:51went on for so long.
36:54Yeah, I saw Pedro stand after Rainbow High.
36:57No, in the middle of Rainbow High.
36:58I was like, sit down!
36:59And I was like,
37:00Dad, you're embarrassing me
37:01in front of my friends!
37:03And then,
37:04you refuse to see them backstage.
37:05Yes, exactly.
37:06I think you refuse!
37:07You refuse!
37:08You're like,
37:08I will stop!
37:09No!
37:11I see them back there.
37:11Pedro, who?
37:12Let them sit.
37:14Steven Spielberg,
37:15bring him on, bring him on.
37:16I'm interested,
37:19listening to these guys
37:20talking about being on stage
37:22and kind of,
37:22you know,
37:22the highs and lows
37:23and the rewards of that,
37:24any desire?
37:25Sounds terrifying.
37:26Okay.
37:27Nothing scares me.
37:27That means you'll do it.
37:29Nothing scares me.
37:30Well, then now I need it to happen.
37:31Okay, now you have it.
37:32Now we have it here.
37:33And I also am like,
37:34I know what I would not be good at.
37:36So, I'm...
37:38You don't know.
37:39You don't know anything.
37:40I don't want to find out.
37:41You know nothing.
37:43But you think it would scare you?
37:45Yeah, absolutely.
37:46Nothing scares her.
37:46So, this is very interesting information.
37:49Yeah, I...
37:50You don't get nervous.
37:51And I don't think I would get nervous.
37:53I just don't have the desire
37:55because I don't think I would
37:56be that good at it.
37:58So, I don't...
37:59It terrifies me.
38:01I see it as a challenge.
38:02They're in here writing a play for you.
38:05That's what we're doing.
38:06All four of us.
38:08Do you sing?
38:09No.
38:09Okay, and there's another thing.
38:11Yeah.
38:11Two things now.
38:12Two things we've got.
38:13Is she going to sing?
38:13She's going to star in a Broadway play?
38:15I cannot wait.
38:16I'll be in the front row like,
38:17yes, Kimberly.
38:19And, Brian, very happy news
38:22because, this is extraordinary,
38:2420 years on,
38:25Malcolm in the Middle is coming back.
38:28Oh, yeah, yeah.
38:30Is Jane coming back?
38:31Yeah.
38:32Jane's coming back.
38:33Oh, my God.
38:35Have you filmed it already?
38:36Yeah, we shot it already.
38:38Today in Vancouver, we had a great time.
38:40I've been badgering Linwood Boomer,
38:42who was the creator of the show,
38:44for about 10 years to say,
38:46we should do a reunion show.
38:47We should do a reunion show.
38:49And finally, he relented
38:50and came up with a great idea,
38:52and we got everybody together.
38:54What's so interesting is that Frankie and Chris
38:56and all the boys 25 years ago
39:00when we first started this show
39:02are now the age that I was
39:04when I started this show.
39:06That's wild.
39:06They have children of their own.
39:08So I think it's interesting
39:10to see what happens.
39:11And is it a one-off or a series?
39:13No, we have four episodes
39:14that are coming on Disney+.
39:15Oh, my God.
39:16And, yeah, so it's coming on
39:18sometime next year.
39:19And does the dad,
39:21does the dad end up
39:22in the same situation as he always did?
39:23Oh, God.
39:25You know, Graham,
39:27I need a new agent
39:28because for some reason
39:31they have this older guy
39:33always naked.
39:36I don't know about it.
39:38No, I don't.
39:38It's like for some reason
39:39I'm in tighty-whity underwear
39:41or I'm naked.
39:43I mean, it's like,
39:44why?
39:45I'm the butt of your joke.
39:47Stop it.
39:49But here's the thing.
39:50It does sort of run
39:52in the Cranston family,
39:53the not liking clothes thing.
39:55Oh.
39:56Tell us about your Uncle Bob.
39:57Oh.
39:59Well, Bob is indeed my uncle.
40:01Yeah.
40:05I'd like to say it.
40:07Oh, my God.
40:10We should say late, late Uncle.
40:12Oh.
40:13He's my late Uncle.
40:14Late Uncle.
40:14He's passed on,
40:16but he was a nudist.
40:19Oh.
40:19Yeah.
40:20Uncle Bob was a nudist.
40:22And...
40:22That's the first line of a play.
40:24And, you know,
40:27he was in his 90s
40:29when he passed away
40:30and he was...
40:30Still naked.
40:31Still naked!
40:32And I used to go visit him,
40:34of course, in Florida,
40:36where all nudist colonies are.
40:38Of course in Florida.
40:38Listen, I was born in Florida
40:39and you've never seen me naked.
40:41You paused for a second.
40:47Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
40:49What do you think?
40:50Um...
40:51Yes.
40:52Not all nudists come from there.
40:53I think I sent the producers
40:54a photograph or two.
40:55Oh, wait a minute.
40:56Oh, no.
40:56So, Uncle Bob...
40:57Is this really a picture
40:58of your Uncle Bob?
40:59My real Uncle Bob
41:00in a...
41:01I think I sent it somewhere.
41:03This is the picture
41:04of Uncle Bob.
41:05No!
41:08I can only apologize.
41:15I see the resemblance.
41:19I mean...
41:19Rachel said,
41:20I see the resemblance.
41:21I see the resemblance.
41:23How dare you.
41:24I'm sorry.
41:25It was right there.
41:25It's not only Bob.
41:26It's Bits and Bobs, isn't it?
41:29I'm sorry.
41:31It's just...
41:31Of all the things
41:32you've chosen to wear,
41:33you went with a hat?
41:37Well, he wants to protect him
41:38from the sun.
41:39And I...
41:39He wanted to go to the lake there
41:42and I go visit him
41:43and I...
41:44He said,
41:45I'll bring a chair for you.
41:46And I said,
41:46look, Bob,
41:47I'm not going to go naked.
41:48I'm just not going to do that.
41:49Or sit on the chair.
41:52And he brought a chair.
41:53He said,
41:53take that chair.
41:54And I brought the chair
41:55and he decided...
41:56I thought we were going to
41:57sit side by side,
41:58look at it.
41:58No.
41:59No, he comes around
42:00and the chair I had
42:03sat about this way.
42:06I was like...
42:08Oh, my...
42:11Excuse me.
42:16Very good.
42:18Right, it's time for music.
42:20This British rap artist
42:21is a Mercury Prize,
42:23Ivor Novello
42:23and Brit Award winner.
42:24Her sixth studio album
42:26Lotus is out now
42:28and here performing
42:28the latest single Lion
42:30featuring Obong Jr
42:31is Little Sims.
42:33I bet you never seen
42:45a young black woman
42:46so fly
42:47Sim Simons arrived
42:48with the heart
42:49of a lion
42:49my Nigerian pride.
42:52Everybody's
42:52they say that
42:53the task force
42:54is waiting
42:54for me outside.
42:55You listen,
42:56is you really down
42:57for the ride?
42:58If I get coughed,
42:59I dedicate my life.
43:01Gunfire,
43:02ratatata
43:02if it gets
43:03the kicking off
43:04where you go
43:04there, my
43:05where you go
43:05there, my side.
43:06Give me stainless gold.
43:07Think it's the time
43:08to finally take my throne.
43:10Forget that lane,
43:11true, I made my own.
43:12Got the power in me,
43:13not afraid no more.
43:14Ha!
43:15See, is the world
43:16gonna keep up?
43:17It's clear to see
43:18they can't do
43:18what she does.
43:19Ha!
43:20Come on,
43:20follow the leader.
43:21Honey, now that you
43:22forgive him
43:23till you free a speaker.
43:24Ha!
43:24Ooh!
43:25Don't break your neck.
43:26Ha!
43:27Looking for something
43:28like this.
43:29And you will never
43:29find something
43:30like this.
43:31Then why I slow down
43:32and then go
43:33give me life sentence.
43:34Ha!
43:34Ooh!
43:35Don't break your neck.
43:36Hey!
43:37Ha!
43:37Ha!
43:38Ha!
43:39Ha!
43:40Don't break your neck.
43:41Ha!
43:41Looking for something
43:42like this.
43:43And you will never
43:44find something
43:45like this.
43:46You need to understand
43:46I'm Lauren in
43:47a prime when you
43:48see me.
43:49The rats when we
43:49see the lock stem
43:50swinging.
43:51I roll up in this
43:52thing looking
43:52there for TT.
43:53Ha!
43:54Better kiss the ring
43:55when you see me.
43:55I ain't even
43:56scrape the surface
43:57from the power
43:57that's within me.
43:58Couldn't get here
43:59without us
43:59putting up a good
44:00fight.
44:01It's here is never
44:01what it seems.
44:02Look at them
44:02like, what do you
44:03mean?
44:03We just had a dream
44:04and a push bite.
44:05My mama said that
44:06it will happen
44:07in good time.
44:08And I was
44:08struggling to run
44:09it on my last legs.
44:10I said I never
44:11quit until I take
44:12my last.
44:13Yo, I was down
44:13on my lap.
44:14Passes.
44:15And I was champagne
44:16reception spot.
44:17Out of my hands.
44:19It's God's plan.
44:20And with these blessings
44:21I try to bless who I can.
44:22Ooh!
44:23Don't break your neck.
44:24Ha!
44:24Looking for something like this.
44:26I said you will never
44:27find something like this.
44:29Don't weigh up.
44:29Slow down and go
44:30give me life sentence.
44:32Ooh!
44:32Don't break your neck.
44:34Ha!
44:34Ha!
44:35Ha!
44:35Ha!
44:36Ha!
44:36Ha!
44:37Don't break your neck.
44:38Ha!
44:39Looking for something like this.
44:41Ooh!
44:42We don't care for what they say.
44:44That's my superpower.
44:46Say what?
44:46We don't care for what they say.
44:49That's my superpower.
44:50Say what?
44:51We don't care for what they say.
44:54That's my superpower.
44:55Hey!
44:56We don't care for what they say.
44:58That's my superpower.
45:00And again.
45:01We don't care for what they say.
45:03That's my superpower.
45:05Say what?
45:06We don't care for what.
45:07Cause what?
45:08Say!
45:09We don't care for what they say, that's my super, we don't care for what they say, that's my super.
45:39Thank you very nice to meet you, nice to meet you nice to meet you nice to meet you nice to meet you you're right hello you're right
45:59how is it there you go there's a glass of wine for you there are you meeting everyone for
46:04the first time um yeah I think we're meeting for the first time
46:08Yeah, did you have a mask on
46:17Thing right forward tie it up and you're good to go. Yeah, right
46:25Apparently it helps your neck
46:29Lion and that is off the latest studio album Lotus how beautiful is that out now everybody?
46:38Sounds like this was such a labor of love, you know, you were working in a different way
46:44It was it was hard. Yeah, it was tough. It was I guess born out of
46:51frustration and
46:52not trusting myself during a creative process and
46:56Feeling a real loss of confidence in myself as a creative person
47:00Which I found really tough lad and I didn't trust my ear and down to the studio to make stuff
47:05I'm just crippled with self-doubt and so low is to me symbolizes like
47:11You know regardless of what you're going through you can still
47:14Rise above the muddy waters and become something extraordinary. So that's a beautiful image
47:27What's kind of amazing is that that creative doubt, you know because you've been doing this as young as you are
47:32Yeah for a long time like how
47:36You were a child when you started rapping. Yeah, I'll start when I was nine
47:42Yeah, and you you did your first headlining show at the O2 was that last Friday? Yeah. Oh, I mean what an amazing gig?
47:51And at the start of the show
47:56They before you came on you showed an adorable clip. I think are you nine in the skipper you bit older? Are you gonna do it?
48:06No, this is so sweet. This is very little sims
48:21Oh
48:36But there was there was a stage for a nine-year-old rapper like where was that?
48:41Yeah, that was a local competition in North London that
48:47My sisters I think my sister's in the audience today
49:02Thank you so much little Sims. It's great to finally have you on the show
49:07We want to do forever. So give it up for that great performance
49:37Comedian Chris McCausland white Lotus star Amy Lou Wood activist Malala Yousafzai and
49:45Double Oscar nominee Keira Knightley. I'll see you then good night everybody. Bye-bye
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