Killer Grannies - Season 1 Episode 02- Granny's Garden
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00:00...in the kitchen.
00:01For Barbara Scott, it was home-cooked meals
00:04and a garden full of herbs.
00:07But beneath the rose of rosemary and thyme,
00:11Barbara buried a sinister secret.
00:16Benny and Barbara were a very happy couple.
00:19This was an idyllic 67-year-old grandmother
00:22and seemingly the perfect family
00:25in a small little town.
00:27A beloved couple living the ideal life
00:31are right at the center of a shocking case.
00:36He couldn't speak.
00:37He can't talk to you on the phone.
00:39Her daughter gets suspicious.
00:41Barbara looks at her and says,
00:43okay, here's the truth.
00:45A grandmother's story unravels
00:48like one drop stitch after another.
00:50It went from somebody slipped and fell in the tub
00:54to a bag, fully wrapped body.
00:57in the ground.
00:59It's hard to imagine Barbara premeditating
01:01something like that.
01:03Barbara's previous husband
01:05had died unexpectedly.
01:08It's like being in a twilight zone.
01:11I mean, I just couldn't believe it.
01:14Who, especially a grandmother,
01:16drags a body to a backyard
01:18and plants an herb garden over it?
01:20It was shocking.
01:22The sinisterness of a sweet-looking old lady.
01:24Lake Alford is a beautiful section of Florida.
01:41It's a very idyllic little community.
01:44You really would never suspect
01:45that there was anything awry.
01:47One of the happy couples living there
01:51is Benny and Barbara Scott.
01:54They'd been married 11 years.
01:56Barbara was well-liked
01:58by everybody in the neighborhood.
02:00And from all outward signs,
02:03she was an idyllic,
02:0567-year-old grandmother.
02:07She took care of her grandson,
02:09cared for her parents,
02:11loved her husband.
02:12Benny was initially from Oklahoma.
02:16He was 11 years older than she was.
02:18He moved to Florida from Oklahoma
02:20with Barbara.
02:21And everybody was happy.
02:25In January of 2012,
02:28Benny's health takes a mysterious
02:30and unexpected turn.
02:35Barbara was sending me text messages
02:38saying that Dad had developed this cough
02:41or this sore throat.
02:43And then as time went by,
02:46it's developed into this
02:47where Dad had laryngitis.
02:49He couldn't speak.
02:50He can't talk to you on the phone.
02:53And this went on for several months.
02:56When Barbara was telling Pam
02:58that Benny was sick
03:00with some throat infection,
03:02you know, I was kind of worried,
03:04hoping that he got better.
03:07I didn't have any reason
03:08not to believe her
03:09that Dad had a throat ailment
03:11and he couldn't speak.
03:12I had no idea, sadly.
03:18Benny and my mother, Flo,
03:21met through a National Guard
03:23in Oklahoma.
03:25They fell in love
03:26and got married
03:27when I was six.
03:29And he adopted me.
03:33Dad was Creek Indian,
03:35Seminole Indian.
03:35And he had two biological children.
03:38That was Tommy and Christy.
03:42Dad was very funny,
03:44had the driest sense of humor,
03:45but he was strict.
03:48Boy, he was into manners.
03:50It was yes, ma'am, no, sir.
03:54I hated it at the time,
03:55but when I grew up as an adult,
03:57boy, those manners really come in handy.
03:59Benny and Pam's mom
04:03were married for 10 years
04:04before they split up,
04:06but remained close.
04:08They got divorced
04:10when I was 15 or 16,
04:14and we always,
04:15always kept in touch.
04:17Barbara came along
04:19several years later
04:20when I was in my early 30s.
04:23She lived just right next door
04:27to us.
04:28She lived there
04:29with her husband,
04:30and after he passed away,
04:32Dad and Barbara
04:33just kind of hit it off,
04:36and one thing led to another.
04:38We were all kind of surprised,
04:39but hey,
04:40Dad and Barbara
04:42had a great relationship.
04:45Barbara was real crafty.
04:47She was so talented.
04:47I was always amazed
04:48at the stuff
04:49that she would come up
04:50with making.
04:52And Dad loved that,
04:53and then she loved to cook.
04:56They had a great life.
05:00Benny and Barbara
05:01eventually got hitched,
05:03and their two families,
05:05grandkids and all,
05:06became one.
05:08She was a grandmother
05:09to Kenny,
05:11which is Benny's daughter's son.
05:14Barbara was wonderful
05:15at taking care of him.
05:16She would buy school clothes
05:17for him.
05:18They were all the time
05:19going places,
05:20and she loved Kenny.
05:23Barbara doted on Kenny
05:24in Oklahoma,
05:26but she really missed
05:27her grandson in Florida.
05:29Then her daughter,
05:30Sonia,
05:30offered a great chance
05:32to bring everyone
05:32closer together.
05:34She had encouraged
05:35Dad and Barbara
05:36to come there.
05:38They owned the house
05:38directly across the street
05:40from where they lived,
05:41and they said,
05:42you know,
05:42hey,
05:43we'll set you up
05:43in this house.
05:44Just come and help
05:45take care of Sonia's son,
05:47and come enjoy Florida.
05:49And that's where
05:50they both moved to.
05:52They were there
05:52quite a few years,
05:54and Dad loved it.
05:56We'd see them
05:57around Christmas.
05:58They would come
05:59back to Oklahoma
06:00and just kind of
06:02random other times.
06:05They made the trip
06:06by car,
06:07and Barbara
06:08would always drive.
06:11The last time
06:12they drove to Oklahoma
06:14was in December 2011.
06:17Barbara and Benny
06:18came to visit
06:20for the holidays.
06:23They were going
06:23to be here
06:24a week or so,
06:25so I had offered
06:26my mother's home.
06:30At this point,
06:31my mother had been
06:31passed away
06:32by almost a year.
06:34And so I just said,
06:35Dad, Barbara,
06:36just stay here.
06:38Enjoy yourselves.
06:40Last time we seen them,
06:41they were just like
06:42they always were.
06:44Seemed just fine to me.
06:47Now,
06:48what goes on
06:49behind the scenes
06:49in people's lives,
06:51you never know.
06:57A few days
06:58after they returned
06:59to Florida,
07:01Barbara texted Pam
07:02that Benny
07:03was under the weather.
07:04And then he apparently
07:06stayed sick
07:07from January
07:07through March.
07:09It had been months
07:10since I had talked
07:12to my dad
07:12over the phone.
07:14much less see him.
07:15He was in another state.
07:17So all I had
07:18were these
07:19smatterings
07:20of text messages
07:21from her
07:22saying,
07:24Benny's going to go
07:25to the doctor.
07:26They're going to have
07:26to do a surgery.
07:28But I had no suspicions
07:30at all
07:31about the well-being
07:34of my father
07:35until the day
07:36I got a phone call
07:38from Stephen,
07:39Barbara's son.
07:41And he called me
07:42and he said,
07:43Pam,
07:44when's the last time
07:45you talked to your dad?
07:46And I said,
07:47well,
07:47it's been a couple of months
07:48because he can't talk
07:49on the phone.
07:50He doesn't have a voice.
07:51And he said,
07:52Pam,
07:52he said,
07:53I don't know
07:53what to tell you,
07:54but your dad,
07:55he's lying to you.
07:56He's been back
07:56in Oklahoma
07:57for the last
07:58two or three months.
07:59I was stunned
08:00at first
08:01and then I was like,
08:02look, Stephen,
08:03my dad would never
08:04come back to Oklahoma
08:05and not contact me.
08:08There's no way,
08:09no way.
08:10Stephen had told me
08:11that's what Sonia said.
08:13So he got real quiet
08:15and he said,
08:16I'm going to,
08:17I'm going to call
08:17my sister back.
08:19He's talking to his sister.
08:21His sister's talking
08:22to Barbara,
08:22trying to piece
08:24everybody's stories
08:25together.
08:27He did contact me
08:28back fairly quickly
08:30and said,
08:30I don't know
08:31how to tell you this,
08:32but apparently
08:33your dad is,
08:35is passed away.
08:37Barbara found dad
08:38in the shower
08:39in the bathroom
08:41on January 2nd
08:42and freaked out,
08:44didn't know what to do
08:45and basically
08:47just dragged him out
08:48and buried him
08:49in their backyards.
08:51I swear,
08:52it's like being
08:53in the twilight zone.
08:54You know,
08:55I just couldn't
08:57believe it.
08:57It was so shocking,
08:59so shocking.
09:00As soon as Pam
09:02has a chance
09:02to catch her breath,
09:04Stephen lets her know
09:05that his mom
09:06and Sonia
09:07are on their way
09:08to see the police.
09:13My duty officer
09:14that day,
09:15Officer Jeff Blows,
09:16called me
09:17and said that he
09:18needed to talk
09:19about something
09:20and it was
09:21kind of bizarre.
09:22he had Barbara Scott
09:24at the police department.
09:26She said her husband
09:27had died
09:28and she had buried him
09:30in the backyard.
09:33With the information
09:35that we had
09:36preliminarily was
09:37she could have been
09:38tampering or failing
09:39to report a death.
09:41But this story
09:43being so bizarre,
09:44you really need
09:45to look a little
09:45more in depth.
09:46Is there a mental
09:48situation going on
09:49with this person?
09:50Maybe dementia?
09:52Something else
09:53is involved
09:54that we don't
09:55know about?
09:56After hearing the story,
09:59Officer Jeffrey blows.
10:00He pulls Sonia aside
10:02and goes,
10:03is this real?
10:04I mean,
10:05she's 67,
10:06she's elderly,
10:07does she have dementia?
10:08Is she making up?
10:09And Sonia,
10:10still in somewhat
10:12of a state of shock,
10:14says to Officer Blows,
10:15I believe my mother.
10:18I think it really happened.
10:20My mother buried him
10:21in the backyard.
10:25She didn't want
10:27to notify authorities
10:28because she was
10:29embarrassed and panicked.
10:31We first dig
10:32the herbs up
10:33and we get a hint
10:35of the smell
10:35of decomposition.
10:37The neighbors
10:38are saying,
10:39well, Barbara,
10:40why are you
10:41selling all
10:41of Benny's stuff?
10:43Nothing matched.
10:45Are we looking
10:45at a pattern
10:46of a psychopath?
10:48I mean,
10:48what are we looking at?
10:54When beloved granny
10:56Barbara Scott
10:57drops the bombshell
10:58that she buried
10:59her husband Benny
11:00in their backyard,
11:01the startled
11:03Lake Alfred officers
11:04know they need
11:05backup right away.
11:07I made contact
11:08with the Polk County
11:08Sheriff's Office
11:09to request assistance.
11:12I was told
11:13that Barbara Scott
11:14was at the Lake Alfred
11:15Police Department
11:16with her daughter
11:17and her attorney.
11:18I then proceeded
11:19to the Lake Alfred
11:21Police Department
11:21to get as much
11:23information as I could
11:24and figure out
11:24what the heck
11:25was going on.
11:25As Detective Clark
11:29heads to the station,
11:31the cops split
11:32Barbara and Sonia up.
11:34They're going to want
11:35to interview
11:35Barbara alone.
11:37I get to the police
11:38department.
11:39When I first saw
11:40Barbara,
11:41she wasn't nervous.
11:42She just had that look
11:43like a, you know,
11:45sophisticated grandmother.
11:46I sat down
11:48with Barbara Scott
11:49and her attorney
11:51and I asked them
11:52to run me through
11:53what was going on
11:54and Barbara said
11:55that her husband,
11:56his name was Benny,
11:57had died while he was
11:59in the shower
12:00on January 2nd.
12:01She said she found
12:06the body at 11 a.m.,
12:09somewhere roughly
12:09around there,
12:10and that she thinks
12:13that he hit his head
12:14and fell because there
12:16was some blood
12:16around his head
12:17and she didn't know
12:19what to do.
12:21Barbara says
12:22when she gathered
12:23her thoughts together,
12:24she put him on
12:25a bathroom rug
12:26and then dragged him
12:28into the backyard.
12:29She said that
12:31he would be
12:32underneath the herb garden
12:33that she planted
12:34over him
12:35after she buried him.
12:41My first instinct
12:42was who,
12:44especially a grandmother,
12:46drags a body
12:47to a backyard
12:48and buries it
12:50and plants
12:51an herb garden
12:51over it.
12:53So I tried
12:54to dwell a little deeper,
12:56especially into
12:56him hitting his head.
12:58What did he hit?
12:59Where did he fall?
12:59She seemed a little
13:02perplexed by my questions
13:03and then I was asked
13:05to step out
13:06by her attorney
13:07so they could
13:07talk some more.
13:09Ten minutes later,
13:10you know,
13:11I went back in
13:12and her attorney said
13:12they needed to clarify
13:13some things,
13:14that it was possibly
13:15a bullet hole
13:16in his head
13:17because she did find
13:18a gun outside
13:19the shower.
13:22She says,
13:23well,
13:23I think he might
13:23have shot himself,
13:25but I'm not sure.
13:26But I saw the gun,
13:27I saw the blood,
13:28maybe he didn't
13:28shoot himself,
13:29maybe he hit his head.
13:31We have a story
13:32changing,
13:33but in the versions
13:34of the story,
13:35she didn't want
13:36to notify authorities
13:37because she was
13:38embarrassed and panicked
13:40and being embarrassed
13:42for the family
13:43that Benny would have
13:44done that to himself.
13:48When we look at
13:49people responding
13:50to traumatic events,
13:52they're quite
13:53unpredictable.
13:54It's not outside
13:55of the realm of
13:56possibilities
13:57that in this case
13:58someone discovers
13:59that their partner
14:00or their husband
14:01committed suicide
14:02and they're shocked
14:03by it.
14:04It could be a possibility
14:06that someone
14:06will react in a way
14:07that they're trying
14:08to hide
14:09what happened.
14:11Barbara had told
14:12everyone in Florida
14:13that she talked to
14:14that Benny was in Oklahoma.
14:16She told everybody
14:17in Oklahoma
14:17that Benny was there
14:19in Florida
14:19sick with throat cancer
14:21and couldn't talk
14:22on the phone.
14:22In talking to Ms. Scott,
14:24she was very lucid.
14:25I didn't think
14:26she had any memory issues
14:27or any onset
14:29of dementia
14:29or anything.
14:31With Barbara's
14:32story changing,
14:33first it's an accident,
14:35now it's a suicide.
14:37The cops want
14:38to see the house
14:39before they talk
14:40to anyone else
14:41about whether or not
14:42Benny might have
14:43killed himself.
14:44We concluded
14:45the interview
14:46and I write
14:47a complete search warrant
14:48for the residents
14:50and prepare
14:51to start
14:52the following morning.
14:56We first dig
14:57the herbs up
14:58and then we get down
14:59maybe, I want to say
15:01four, four and a half feet
15:02and we get a hint
15:05of the smell
15:06of decomposition.
15:08So we slow down
15:11and layer by layer
15:12start removing the dirt
15:13and we find a body
15:17that is wrapped
15:18in a tarp.
15:21Slowly bring the body
15:23out of the tarp.
15:25We can clearly see
15:26the bullet hole
15:27in his head
15:27and realize
15:30that he is bound,
15:33his hands
15:34and his feet
15:35tied behind him
15:36in a ball.
15:38Looks like it's been
15:39a professional hit.
15:40Everybody was shocked.
15:43This does not look
15:44like a suicide.
15:46This looks like
15:46a homicide.
15:48When you're hearing
15:49a story
15:49and it went
15:50from somebody
15:51slipped and fell
15:53in the tub
15:53to somebody
15:55committed suicide
15:55to we have
15:57a bagged,
15:59fully wrapped body
16:00in the ground,
16:01just extremes
16:02in where we're at
16:04at this point.
16:06It was something
16:07I hope I never have
16:08to see again
16:08in my life
16:09and it definitely
16:10was a different
16:11mindset that day
16:12seeing that body
16:13brought from the ground.
16:16My immediate reaction
16:17was I need to talk
16:19to Barbara again
16:20to clarify some things.
16:24So I called
16:25her attorney,
16:26told him we had
16:27some issues
16:27that I needed
16:28to talk to him about
16:29and I explained
16:30to him what I saw
16:31and he himself
16:32was shocked.
16:34Told me he'd
16:34get back with me,
16:35called me back
16:36an hour or so later,
16:38said he's talked
16:38to Barbara
16:39and at this point
16:40he was requesting
16:41that I not have
16:42any more communication
16:43with her,
16:43which I understood.
16:46He said that
16:47Barbara explained
16:48that after she
16:50found his body,
16:51she took him
16:52to the garage
16:53and put him
16:53on the tarp
16:54and left him
16:55there for a few days
16:57because she didn't
16:58know what to do
16:58and then decided
17:01that she would
17:02tie him up
17:03to make it easier
17:04to drag him
17:05through the home
17:06and then buried him
17:09like that.
17:13And he told me
17:14where the gun was
17:15in a drawer
17:15within the home
17:16and that was
17:18pretty much
17:18the extent of it.
17:19Was Barbara embarrassed
17:23that he committed
17:24suicide
17:24or was there
17:25foul play involved?
17:27We certainly know
17:28there's tampering
17:29with evidence
17:30but we didn't
17:31really have
17:31that full picture
17:32about what
17:33happened to Benny.
17:35You're innocent
17:36until proven guilty
17:37so we needed
17:39to look into
17:39every aspect
17:40of Barbara's statement
17:42and so we
17:43transported the body
17:44to the medical examiner
17:45for an autopsy.
17:46Next up
17:48the investigators
17:49searched the house
17:50for anything
17:51that might back up
17:53or contradict
17:54Barbara's story.
17:56There was areas
17:57throughout the house
17:58where you could see
17:59that there was blood
18:01that had been cleaned up.
18:04We did find some blood
18:05in the shower.
18:07We found little spots
18:09of blood
18:10where it looked like
18:11maybe he did get
18:12taken to the garage
18:13and did get pulled
18:13from the garage
18:14because we had it
18:15through the counter
18:15which led to
18:16the back door.
18:18In the garage
18:19on the floor
18:20you could actually see
18:22where somebody
18:24had tried to clean
18:25something up
18:26but you could still see
18:27that there was
18:28blood staying there
18:29in the concrete
18:30on the carport floor.
18:35So the blood evidence
18:36that we found
18:37matched that yes
18:38he likely died
18:39in the shower
18:39because there was
18:40blood on the ceiling
18:41and that he was
18:43probably taken
18:44to the garage.
18:44that corroborated
18:46at least that part
18:47of the story.
18:48And then we did
18:49find the gun
18:50that Barbara had said
18:51would be in
18:52one of the drawers.
18:54It was in a
18:55crown royal bag.
18:57They found the box
18:58of ammunition
18:5925 bullets in there
19:01and a 22 caliber gun.
19:04and there is one
19:08spent shell casing
19:10that they find
19:11in the gun.
19:14We had checked
19:15to see if
19:16Benny or Barbara
19:17had any guns
19:19that they had purchased
19:20and they hadn't
19:21purchased anything.
19:22Knowing that
19:23Benny and Barbara
19:24did not have any
19:25registered firearms
19:26or known to have
19:27firearms,
19:28it was absolutely
19:29important to
19:30track down
19:31where this firearm
19:32came from
19:32and be able
19:33to pinpoint
19:34the responsible
19:35person that may
19:36have had the gun
19:37to prove
19:38it's a suicide
19:39or it's a murder.
19:41Detectives,
19:41they are asking
19:42a bit more questions
19:43to try to understand
19:44whether Benny
19:45was depressed,
19:46fatalistic,
19:47or if those
19:48would be markers
19:49consistent with someone
19:50on a downward spiral.
19:52looking for anything
19:59that can help them
20:00figure out
20:01if Benny Scott
20:02took his own life
20:03or someone else did.
20:05The cops decide
20:06they need to hear
20:07from people
20:08who knew the couple.
20:09While they get ready
20:10for a longer chat
20:11with Barbara's daughter,
20:12Sonia,
20:13they reach out
20:14to neighbors first.
20:17The neighbors reported
20:19they hadn't seen Benny
20:20in weeks or months.
20:21and we did determine
20:24from one neighbor
20:25that Barbara
20:26had been having
20:27garage sales
20:28in the front of her house.
20:30Some of the neighbors
20:32that had been
20:32to the garage sales
20:33had said
20:34that they had noticed
20:35a lot of Benny's stuff
20:36was being sold
20:37in those cells.
20:40And the neighbors
20:41are saying,
20:42well, Barbara,
20:43why are you selling
20:44all of Benny's stuff?
20:46And she says,
20:46well,
20:47he's going to stay
20:48in Oklahoma.
20:49He's having a blast
20:50with his friends
20:50and he just realized
20:52he was not cut out
20:53to be in Florida.
20:56Our marriage is over.
20:57I don't want
20:58to keep his stuff,
20:59so I'm going to
20:59sell his stuff off.
21:03One neighbor
21:04said that she had
21:05questioned Barbara
21:06a little more
21:06and that she got
21:07a little agitated
21:08and upset about it,
21:09which he found
21:10a little odd.
21:12So,
21:13at this point,
21:14I'm getting suspicious
21:15of everything.
21:17I think that
21:18she's just probably
21:19a pretty devious woman.
21:21So next,
21:22the detectives
21:23sit down with Sonya,
21:24Barbara's daughter,
21:25to see if they can get
21:26any more details
21:27about what's happening.
21:29They want to know,
21:30what do you know
21:30about what your mom
21:31did to Benny?
21:32Barbara's daughter
21:36had mentioned
21:37just shortly
21:37after the new year
21:38that her mother
21:39had went into
21:40cleanup mode.
21:42She got spray bottles
21:43and cleaning supplies.
21:45Barbara had told her
21:46that she had had
21:47some fleas in the house.
21:48And they bombed the house,
21:49tried to get rid
21:50of the fleas,
21:51can't get rid
21:52of the fleas,
21:52so nobody can come
21:53to the house,
21:54nobody can see
21:55Benny at all.
21:57Sonia says she understood
22:00about the fleas.
22:02Her mom obviously
22:03didn't want them
22:04to spread.
22:05But once they were gone,
22:06Barbara casually announced
22:08that Benny was back
22:09in Oklahoma.
22:10He wanted to be
22:11with his friends.
22:12So for about two months,
22:14Sonia's just figuring
22:15that's where Benny is.
22:18End of March,
22:20Steve Broadway,
22:21who is Barbara's son
22:23and Sonia's brother
22:24and still lived
22:25in Oklahoma,
22:27calls Sonia.
22:29He says,
22:30we got a call
22:32from mom
22:33and she said
22:34that there's storage unit
22:35in Oklahoma
22:36that I need to clear out.
22:39Steve opened it up
22:41and saw a bunch
22:43of Benny's possessions.
22:47Now they're still thinking
22:49that Benny is in Florida.
22:52So he says,
22:55mom wants me to junk
22:56all of Benny's stuff.
22:58I just don't think
22:59it's right.
23:01And then Sonia
23:02says to Steve,
23:04well, he's in Oklahoma.
23:06Why don't you ask him?
23:09Steve says,
23:11he's not in Oklahoma.
23:12He's in Florida.
23:14Pam Harris told me that.
23:16Sonia,
23:17after talking to Steve
23:18and realizing
23:19something's not right,
23:20she says,
23:21mom, let's go for a drive.
23:23So they drive
23:24to Lake Alfred Park
23:26and she goes,
23:27mom,
23:28something's not right here.
23:30Steve talked to Pam
23:32and she said that he's not
23:34in Oklahoma,
23:35he's in Florida.
23:36and finally
23:37Barbara looks at her
23:39and says,
23:40okay,
23:40here's the truth.
23:42Benny
23:42slipped in the shower,
23:45hit his head
23:45and he died.
23:47And I just
23:49took him
23:50into the backyard
23:51and buried him.
23:53And
23:53Sonia
23:54is trying to remain
23:56calm about this,
23:58but inside
23:59her emotions
24:01are in complete turmoil.
24:03Sonia
24:04looks at her mother
24:05and says,
24:06we're going straight
24:07to the police department.
24:12So at that point,
24:14we mentioned
24:15that Barbara
24:16had said
24:16he could have
24:17committed suicide
24:18and the daughter
24:19said that
24:20she didn't feel
24:21that he would have
24:22committed suicide,
24:23that he loved life
24:25and he enjoyed his life.
24:29Barbara's daughter
24:30also mentioned
24:30a trip
24:31that she accompanied
24:32Benny to the hospital
24:33where there was
24:34an issue
24:34with his pacemaker.
24:35He had to have it
24:36readjusted
24:37and that
24:37he actually got emotional
24:38and was scared
24:39of his mortality
24:40and made the comment
24:42that I hope
24:44we can get this fixed
24:44because I don't want to die.
24:45I'm not ready to die
24:46and that he was
24:47very strong about that.
24:50Detectives decide
24:51to ask Sonia
24:52two obvious questions.
24:55How was her mother
24:55acting just before
24:57Benny's death?
24:58And did she have
24:59a motive
25:00to kill him?
25:02She told us
25:03that Barbara
25:03had been under
25:04a lot of stress,
25:05that she had been
25:06taking care of
25:07her mother
25:07and her stepfather
25:08and she was having
25:09to take care of Benny
25:10and that he wanted her
25:12by her side
25:13at all times
25:14and that she was
25:15overwhelmed
25:15and she got emotional
25:16sometimes about it.
25:19Our pressure
25:20is not only
25:21internally
25:21in fulfilling
25:23those roles
25:24but society as well
25:25that she's doing
25:27her duty
25:27to take care
25:28of her own tribe
25:29in a way
25:30sometimes
25:31that role
25:33could start
25:33to chip away
25:34at someone's
25:35sense of compassion
25:35and empathy.
25:38But the daughter
25:40didn't mention
25:40that she felt
25:41that Barbara
25:42was at the point
25:44of homicide.
25:45The last person
25:48that they would think
25:49of acting out
25:50in a murderous way
25:52would be
25:54grandma.
25:55So detectives
25:56are trying to figure out
25:57what's going on,
25:58put all the pieces
25:59together
26:00and if Benny
26:01didn't commit suicide,
26:03could it be
26:04premeditated?
26:06Something much
26:07more sinister?
26:07So they looked
26:09into her past
26:10and they found
26:12that Barbara,
26:13the kindly
26:13caregiving
26:1467-year-old
26:16grandmother
26:16had a rap sheet.
26:23When the cops
26:24go digging
26:25into Barbara Scott's
26:26background,
26:27guess what?
26:28This seemingly
26:29gracious granny
26:31has a rap sheet.
26:34I found
26:34where she had
26:35a pretty significant
26:37arrest back
26:38in 1988
26:39for embezzlement
26:41in Norman,
26:42Oklahoma.
26:47Detectives found
26:48out that Barbara
26:49was working
26:49in Norman,
26:51Oklahoma
26:51as the manager
26:52of an insurance
26:53company
26:54and she subsequently
26:55fired the bookkeeper
26:57and took over
26:58the duties.
27:00All of a sudden
27:00the owner
27:01of the insurance
27:02company
27:02was getting
27:03suspicious.
27:04Things weren't
27:05adding up
27:06and jiving
27:06in the books
27:07so he confronted
27:09Barbara
27:09and said
27:10what's going on
27:11and she admitted
27:12that she had been
27:12taking a little
27:13bit of money.
27:16She was then
27:17fired.
27:19They did an audit
27:19and found out
27:21that over time
27:22she was taking
27:23a little bit
27:23of money here
27:23a little bit
27:24of money there
27:24and it was
27:26about $64,000
27:27and she ultimately
27:28did five years
27:29in prison
27:30for that charge.
27:31For Barbara
27:34to be able
27:34to pull off
27:35the crime
27:35for as long
27:36as she did
27:36she did have
27:37to be somewhat
27:38controlled
27:40well controlled
27:40and well rehearsed
27:42so that starts
27:42to come off
27:43as someone
27:44who has
27:45some antisocial
27:46personality traits.
27:48When thinking
27:49now of Barbara
27:50it's a possibility
27:51of her harming
27:52her own husband
27:52predictors
27:53are present
27:54of her
27:55willingness
27:56to step out
27:56of the social norms
27:58to break
27:58the law
27:59in order
27:59to solve
28:00her own problems
28:01or satisfy
28:02her own need.
28:03We also
28:04learned that
28:05Barbara's
28:06previous husband
28:07Marvin
28:08had died
28:10unexpectedly
28:10in the bathtub.
28:13You've got
28:14this you know
28:14sweet looking
28:15grandmother
28:16who maybe
28:17committed
28:18two murders.
28:19Are we looking
28:20at a pattern
28:22of a psychopath?
28:24I mean
28:24what are we
28:24looking at?
28:25I went
28:27out to
28:28Oklahoma City
28:29I met
28:29with the
28:29police department
28:30there
28:31and pulled
28:32their report.
28:34It was
28:35determined
28:35that Marvin
28:36Tulate's
28:37death
28:37was caused
28:38by intense
28:39ethanol
28:39intoxication
28:40in other words
28:41he drank
28:42himself
28:42to death.
28:45He was
28:4553 years
28:46old.
28:47Not only
28:48did Marvin
28:49have a ton
28:49of alcohol
28:50in his system
28:51but he also
28:52had liver
28:53cirrhosis
28:53so his
28:54manner of
28:55death
28:55was ruled
28:56an accident.
28:58After hearing
28:59all this
28:59it gets
29:00your mind
29:00spinning
29:01but you know
29:02we had to
29:02focus on
29:03the facts
29:03of our kids.
29:05While I was
29:06in Oklahoma
29:07I met
29:08with Benny's
29:09friends
29:09his family
29:10his daughter
29:11Pam
29:11and I
29:12interviewed
29:13them about
29:14Benny's
29:14mindset
29:15and about
29:15the visit
29:16when Barbara
29:17and Benny
29:17had came up
29:18there
29:18because
29:19Barbara
29:19was alleged
29:20it was
29:20possibly
29:20suicide
29:21I wanted
29:22to get
29:22statements
29:23from the
29:23family.
29:26Detectives
29:26came
29:27to the
29:28house
29:28and that's
29:29when they
29:29told me
29:30how they
29:31found
29:31dad
29:32and I
29:35just
29:35broke down
29:36it broke
29:37my heart
29:37what she did
29:39to him
29:39was
29:40was wrap
29:40him up
29:41like he's
29:41a piece
29:41of trash
29:42and I
29:44wish that
29:45I could
29:45remember
29:45all the
29:46questions
29:46that he
29:46asked
29:47but
29:48he was
29:48basically
29:49asking
29:49did any
29:50of us
29:50think
29:51that he
29:51could have
29:52killed
29:53himself
29:53and did
29:54anybody
29:55think
29:55that Barbara
29:56could have
29:56done it
29:56it was
29:57just
29:58such a
29:58surreal
29:58moment
29:59there was
29:59a lot
30:00of anger
30:00and I
30:02knew
30:02I knew
30:03my dad
30:04my dad
30:05would never
30:05have shot
30:06himself
30:06ever
30:07Pam did
30:09say to
30:10the detective
30:10that when
30:11Barbara
30:11and Benny
30:12last visited
30:14Oklahoma
30:14they stayed
30:15in a home
30:16that Pam
30:17and her
30:17husband Gary
30:18owned
30:18for about
30:1910 days
30:20I didn't
30:22notice Barbara
30:24being a
30:24caregiver
30:25I always
30:26thought Benny
30:26took care of
30:27himself pretty
30:28good
30:28you could
30:29tell he was
30:30getting tired
30:31easier
30:32but dad
30:33was active
30:34I just
30:35wonder if
30:36somewhere
30:36along the
30:37way
30:37Barbara's
30:38mind
30:39just
30:39snapped
30:40detective
30:44Clark
30:45heads
30:45back
30:45to
30:46Florida
30:46meanwhile
30:47it's
30:48time
30:49for
30:49Benny's
30:50autopsy
30:51Dr.
30:52Nelson
30:53performed
30:53an autopsy
30:54on
30:55Benny
30:55and
30:56at
30:56conclusion
30:57of the
30:57autopsy
30:57he advised
30:58us that
30:59this was
30:59likely
31:00not a
31:00suicide
31:00the
31:02bullet hole
31:03was on
31:03the left
31:03side
31:04of Benny's
31:05head
31:05we knew
31:06Benny was
31:07right-handed
31:08it had also
31:09been shot
31:09from a
31:09short
31:10distance
31:10it was
31:12not a
31:12contact
31:12wound
31:13it was
31:15from
31:16back to
31:16front
31:16and a
31:18downward
31:18angle
31:19so it
31:21would have
31:21been
31:21almost
31:22an
31:22impossible
31:23shot
31:23that Benny
31:24could have
31:24done
31:24himself
31:25Dr.
31:28Nelson
31:29ruled
31:29the cause
31:29of death
31:30to be
31:30the gunshot
31:31wound
31:31to the
31:31head
31:31and the
31:32manner
31:32of the
31:32death
31:33to be
31:33homicide
31:33Dr.
31:37Nelson
31:37the
31:38medical
31:38examiner
31:38also
31:39finds
31:40Benny
31:40has
31:40the
31:40pacemaker
31:41gets
31:42the
31:42serial
31:42number
31:43off
31:43the
31:43pacemaker
31:44and
31:45contacts
31:45the
31:46manufacturer
31:46which
31:47then
31:47allows
31:48them
31:48to
31:49find
31:49the
31:49exact
31:50time
31:50of
31:50death
31:51and
31:53the
31:53pacemaker
31:54data
31:54shows
31:55that
31:55Benny
31:56died
31:56at
31:563
31:57a.m.
31:58on
31:58January
31:592nd
32:00after
32:01the
32:01results
32:01of the
32:01pacemaker
32:02it's
32:03impossible
32:03not
32:04even
32:04plausible
32:04that
32:05anything
32:06Barbara
32:06told us
32:06was
32:06true
32:07Barbara
32:09said
32:09that
32:09this
32:10happened
32:10between
32:119 and
32:1211
32:12so
32:13nothing
32:14matched
32:14other than
32:15the location
32:16of the
32:16gun
32:16and the
32:16location
32:17of the
32:17body
32:17that's
32:18the only
32:19thing
32:19that she
32:19said
32:19that was
32:19true
32:20we know
32:21the gun
32:21was a
32:22major
32:23part of
32:23this
32:23crime
32:24scene
32:24we need
32:25to find
32:26out
32:26where
32:26the
32:26gun
32:27came
32:27from
32:27because
32:28the
32:28time
32:29frame
32:29of that
32:30was
32:30very
32:30important
32:31to show
32:32evidence
32:33in this
32:34case
32:34of
32:34first
32:35degree
32:35murder
32:35at this
32:37point
32:38I really
32:38want to
32:39find out
32:39where this
32:40gun came
32:40from
32:40and I
32:41got to
32:41find out
32:41who owns
32:42this gun
32:42now that
32:49Benny Scott's
32:49death is
32:50officially
32:50a murder
32:51detective
32:52Clark
32:52has got
32:53to figure
32:53out
32:53where
32:54that
32:54gun
32:54came
32:55from
32:55and
32:56when
32:56Barbara
32:57got
32:57it
32:57because
32:58that
32:58information
32:59could
32:59prove
32:59that
32:59she
33:00did
33:00it
33:00and
33:00planned
33:01to
33:01I
33:03start
33:03questioning
33:04Benny
33:04and
33:04Barbara's
33:05family
33:05members
33:06one
33:06person
33:07I
33:07talked
33:07to
33:07was
33:08Benny's
33:08son
33:08in-law
33:09Gary
33:09I
33:11knew
33:11that
33:11Barbara
33:12and Benny
33:12had
33:13visited
33:13Oklahoma
33:14and I
33:15asked him
33:16did they
33:16own guns
33:17he said
33:18they did
33:19at
33:20Pam's
33:20mom's
33:21house
33:21we had
33:22a gun
33:22safe
33:23in a
33:23closet
33:23but it
33:24was
33:24locked
33:24up
33:25and
33:26we
33:26had
33:26the
33:26key
33:27to
33:27it
33:27Gary
33:28said
33:29that
33:29he
33:29was
33:29pretty
33:30confident
33:30all his
33:31guns
33:31were locked
33:31away
33:32in the
33:32safe
33:33and
33:33that
33:33they
33:33were
33:33all
33:34accounted
33:34for
33:34so
33:35I
33:35asked
33:35him
33:35if
33:35they
33:36would
33:36just
33:36double
33:36check
33:37because
33:37I
33:37wanted
33:37to
33:38make
33:38sure
33:38I
33:38cover
33:38all
33:38the
33:39bases
33:39so
33:41me
33:41and
33:42Pam
33:42get
33:42in
33:42the
33:42car
33:42and
33:42we're
33:42driving
33:43to
33:43my
33:43wife's
33:43parents
33:44house
33:44and
33:45on
33:45the
33:45way
33:45over
33:46there
33:46it
33:47hit
33:47me
33:48that
33:48a gun
33:49that I
33:50had put
33:50in the
33:50garage
33:51was
33:52maybe
33:52gone
33:53because
33:53like a
33:54week
33:54before
33:54that
33:55I
33:56had
33:56cleaned
33:56everything
33:57out of
33:57that
33:57garage
33:58and
33:59that
34:00gun
34:00wasn't
34:00there
34:00when
34:01I
34:01cleaned
34:01the
34:01garage
34:01out
34:01and
34:07so
34:08we
34:08get
34:08over
34:09there
34:09and
34:09the
34:09first
34:10thing
34:10I
34:10do
34:10is
34:10I
34:10go
34:10to
34:11where
34:11I
34:12knew
34:12that
34:12gun
34:12was
34:12on
34:12that
34:13shelf
34:13and
34:14it
34:14was
34:14not
34:14there
34:15and
34:18that's
34:18when
34:18we
34:18called
34:18David
34:19Clark
34:19back
34:19and
34:21he
34:21asked
34:21if
34:22I
34:22could
34:22describe
34:22it
34:22and
34:22I
34:23said
34:23yeah
34:23it
34:23was
34:23a
34:23little
34:23short
34:24nose
34:2422
34:25with
34:26a
34:26little
34:26leather
34:26case
34:27Gary
34:28had
34:28mentioned
34:28that
34:29he
34:29had
34:29the
34:30gun
34:30in
34:30a
34:30crown
34:30royal
34:31bag
34:31in
34:32his
34:32garage
34:33and
34:34we
34:34found
34:35the
34:35gun
34:35in
34:36Barbara's
34:36house
34:37in
34:37the
34:37drawer
34:38she
34:38told
34:38us
34:38it
34:38would
34:38be
34:39in
34:39in
34:39that
34:39crown
34:40royal
34:40bag
34:40so
34:41I
34:41ran
34:42down
34:42to
34:42the
34:42evidence
34:42room
34:43pulled
34:43the
34:43gun
34:44out
34:44took
34:45a
34:45picture
34:45of
34:45the
34:46gun
34:46in
34:46the
34:46crown
34:46royal
34:47bag
34:47sent
34:47it
34:47to
34:47Gary
34:48and
34:48said
34:48this
34:48happened
34:49to
34:49be
34:49your
34:49gun
34:49and
34:50he
34:50immediately
34:51said
34:51absolutely
34:52that
34:52is
34:52my
34:52gun
34:53once
34:59I
34:59realized
34:59the
35:00gun
35:00had
35:00been
35:00stolen
35:01from
35:01Oklahoma
35:02I
35:02flew up
35:03to
35:03Oklahoma
35:04City
35:04I
35:04met
35:05with
35:05Oklahoma
35:05City
35:05Police
35:06Department
35:06explained
35:07to them
35:07what I
35:08had
35:08going
35:08on
35:08and
35:09I
35:09requested
35:10they
35:10go
35:11out
35:11to
35:11the
35:11house
35:11with
35:12me
35:12and
35:12do
35:13an
35:13investigation
35:13into
35:14the
35:14stolen
35:14gun
35:15just
35:15to
35:15cover
35:15all
35:16my
35:16bases
35:16they
35:17brought
35:18a
35:18crime
35:18scene
35:18unit
35:19out
35:19and
35:19processed
35:20the
35:20area
35:20that
35:21the
35:21gun
35:21was
35:21taken
35:22from
35:22and
35:23did
35:23a
35:23report
35:23on
35:23that
35:24I
35:24took
35:25a
35:25statement
35:25from
35:26Gary
35:26about
35:27that
35:27gun
35:28so
35:28that
35:28I
35:28had
35:29that
35:29it's
35:33hard
35:33to
35:33imagine
35:33Barbara
35:34premeditating
35:35something
35:35like
35:35that
35:36what
35:37in the
35:37world
35:37was she
35:38thinking
35:38with
35:41proof
35:41in
35:41hand
35:42detective
35:42Clark
35:43goes
35:43back
35:44to
35:44Florida
35:44hoping
35:45to
35:45get
35:45Barbara
35:46indicted
35:46for
35:46first
35:47degree
35:47murder
35:48if
35:49she's
35:49indicted
35:49she'll
35:50finally
35:51be
35:51arrested
35:52I
35:54came back
35:55and we
35:55just put
35:56everything
35:57together
35:57we put
35:58the medical
35:58examiner's
35:59report
35:59Barbara's
36:02statements
36:02her daughter's
36:04statements
36:05everybody from
36:05Oklahoma's
36:06statements
36:06and we
36:07presented it
36:08to a
36:08grand jury
36:09we spent
36:11we spent a
36:11day presenting
36:12all the
36:12evidence
36:12we had
36:13to the
36:13grand jury
36:13and then
36:16of course
36:17Barbara
36:17and her
36:18attorney
36:18have the
36:19opportunity
36:19to speak
36:20in front
36:20of them
36:20and give
36:21their side
36:22of events
36:22Barbara
36:25told the
36:25grand jury
36:26that
36:27Benny
36:27had killed
36:27himself
36:28he committed
36:29suicide
36:30too shocked
36:31to really
36:32do anything
36:32she
36:33thinks
36:34okay
36:35I'm gonna
36:35take him
36:36into the
36:37herb garden
36:38where the
36:38hole is
36:39already dug
36:39and put
36:40his body
36:41in there
36:42which is
36:42what
36:42Barbara
36:43told the
36:44jury
36:44she did
36:44and then
36:46she said
36:46she had
36:47no idea
36:48where the
36:49gun came
36:50from
36:50I think
36:52what Barbara
36:53was maybe
36:53trying to
36:55get across
36:55was that
36:56Ben
36:56my dad
36:57found the
36:58gun
36:58and
36:59took it
37:01and
37:02drove it
37:03back to
37:03Florida
37:03with them
37:04he wouldn't
37:05have done
37:06that
37:06he's as
37:07honest as
37:07the day
37:07is long
37:08despite
37:10what Barbara
37:10told the
37:11grand jury
37:11Sonia told
37:13the grand
37:13jury
37:13that
37:14when her
37:14mother told
37:15her about
37:16Benny's
37:16death
37:16she didn't
37:18shed a tear
37:19initially
37:20she was
37:20extremely
37:21sympathetic
37:22toward her
37:23mother
37:23but as
37:24the evidence
37:25unfolded
37:26she realized
37:27that her
37:28mother
37:29killed
37:30Benny
37:30while
37:31the jury
37:32was deliberating
37:33she sat
37:34by herself
37:34out there
37:35on a bench
37:35detective
37:36Clark had
37:37sent me
37:37a picture
37:37the jury
37:39deliberates
37:40for only
37:4190 minutes
37:41that's
37:42really
37:42really
37:43quick
37:44was there
37:45enough
37:45evidence
37:46to make
37:46an arrest
37:47two weeks
37:55after the
37:55cops
37:56first started
37:57looking
37:57into
37:57Benny Scott's
37:58death
37:59a grand
38:00jury
38:00decides
38:01if his
38:01wife
38:02Barbara
38:02killed
38:03him
38:04the grand
38:04jury
38:05came back
38:05with the
38:06first degree
38:07murder
38:07indictment
38:07and once
38:09the grand
38:09jury
38:10gave us
38:10that indictment
38:11we went
38:12and arrested
38:13Barbara
38:13the evidence
38:17showed
38:18that she
38:18was more
38:19than just
38:20a sweet
38:20little
38:20old
38:21grandmother
38:21caretaker
38:22I was glad
38:25to hear that
38:25I felt like
38:26that's what
38:27needed to
38:27happen
38:27she
38:28she needed
38:29to go
38:29to jail
38:29I was shocked
38:33but happy
38:33I knew
38:34that she
38:34had done
38:35it
38:35it was
38:36just shocking
38:36that the
38:37woman that
38:38I knew
38:38Barbara
38:39it's just
38:40hard to
38:41imagine
38:41her doing
38:41that
38:42once we
38:46arrested
38:46Barbara
38:47she remained
38:48in custody
38:48for about
38:48two years
38:49Barbara
38:51maintained
38:51her innocence
38:52the entire
38:53time
38:54she
38:55never
38:56changed
38:57that one
38:57iota
38:58she was
38:59innocent
38:59so she
39:00said
39:00two years
39:03later
39:03Barbara's
39:04murder
39:04trial
39:04begins
39:05Barbara
39:10still
39:10claims
39:11that she's
39:11innocent
39:12but the
39:13lawyers
39:13present
39:14plenty
39:14of evidence
39:15that she's
39:16not
39:16but the
39:18prosecution
39:19says
39:20that
39:20Barbara
39:21was tired
39:22of being
39:23a caretaker
39:24and she
39:25killed her
39:26husband to
39:26relieve herself
39:27of the burden
39:27of having to
39:28take care of
39:29everybody
39:29when someone
39:30develops a
39:31distorted sense
39:32of their
39:32situation
39:33and convinces
39:35themselves
39:35that potentially
39:36maybe ending
39:36the life
39:37of her husband
39:38may be even
39:38helpful to him
39:39helpful to her
39:41at that point
39:43they may start
39:44to rehearse
39:44in their head
39:45how they can
39:46pull this off
39:46and then you
39:48have to gain
39:48a means
39:49the prosecution
39:52argued that
39:53Barbara stole
39:54the murder
39:55weapon
39:55the gun
39:56from her
39:56son-in-law
39:57Gary
39:58and then
39:58planned the
39:59murder
39:59we felt
40:02pretty confident
40:02with that short
40:04deliberation from
40:05the grand jury
40:05that we weren't
40:07going to have
40:07any problem
40:07convicting her
40:08the attorney
40:13the attorney
40:13called us
40:14she said
40:14okay the jury
40:15is going to
40:15go out
40:15and deliberate
40:16and it
40:17wasn't even
40:18an hour and a
40:19half later
40:19she was
40:21found guilty
40:22she was found
40:23guilty of
40:24first degree
40:25murder
40:25and tampering
40:26with evidence
40:27and was
40:29sent to prison
40:30for life
40:31which wasn't
40:32very long
40:33her life
40:33didn't last
40:34but about a
40:35year so
40:36from what I
40:38understood
40:39she was
40:39in the mess
40:40hall
40:40getting food
40:41and stood up
40:42and had a
40:43massive stroke
40:44and fell over
40:44dead
40:45no matter
40:47how angry
40:48I am
40:49about the
40:50fact that
40:50that Barbara
40:51murdered my
40:52dad
40:52I always
40:53felt empathy
40:54and sympathy
40:55for Sonia
40:55and Stephen
40:56if this would
40:57have been
40:57my mother
40:58I would
41:00have totally
41:01been
41:01just devastated
41:02Barbara's
41:05dead
41:06but the
41:07memories
41:07and questions
41:08about this
41:09once happy
41:10couple
41:10are still
41:11swirling
41:12around
41:13Benny
41:15dad
41:16he was the
41:17only dad
41:17I knew
41:17and I was
41:19just so
41:20grateful to
41:21have been
41:22raised by
41:23a guy that
41:23had the
41:24kind of morals
41:25he had
41:25and it
41:26formed me
41:27into the
41:27person that
41:27I am
41:28today
41:28Benny
41:29was such
41:30a nice
41:30guy
41:31and I
41:32never
41:32talked to
41:33Barbara
41:33again
41:34but I
41:34would have
41:35liked to
41:36ask her
41:36why did
41:37you do
41:37that
41:37Barbara
41:38I've
41:39thought many
41:40times after
41:40this about
41:41what Barbara's
41:43mindset might
41:45have been
41:45that she would
41:46need to do
41:47this
41:48what was the
41:49turning point
41:50just not
41:51sure
41:52she had
41:53she had
41:53this facade
41:54of being
41:55the kind
41:56elderly
41:56granny
41:57where
41:59I think
42:00she was
42:01just a
42:01cold-blooded
42:01killer
42:02I don't
42:04know why
42:04she did
42:05it
42:05you can
42:06speculate
42:06all you
42:07want
42:07but
42:08I don't
42:08think
42:09in my
42:09whole
42:09career
42:10and I
42:11worked
42:11a lot
42:11of homicides
42:12that I
42:13had one
42:13quite like
42:15that
42:15with
42:15the
42:16sinisterness
42:18of a
42:20sweet-looking
42:21old lady
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