The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 08- Hugh Jackman, Kate Hudson, Ben Stiller, Da'Vine Joy Randolph, sombr
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02:08Please welcome, Kate Hutton!
02:12¡Bienvenido!
02:14¡Hola!
02:16¡Oh, qué es!
02:18¡Bienvenido!
02:20¡Anda es la Grammy, Emmy y Tony Ford winnings star
02:24que ha lit up las escenas en The Greatest Showman,
02:27Les Miserables y en el año pasado, Deadpool y Wolverine.
02:31¡Es la una y solo, Hugh Jackman!
02:33¡Hoo!
02:37¡Hello, Sean!
02:38¡Great to see you!
02:45¡Hello, all!
02:48I really want to just hug Divine for most of the night.
02:54It is.
02:54Yeah, whenever you want.
02:56Yeah, it is the sort of thing, if you wear that at a party
02:58by the end of the night, everyone's just clinging.
03:01Yeah, that's the point.
03:01¡Gorgeous!
03:02So, welcome back to everybody.
03:04Yeah.
03:05And Hugh and Kate, obviously you know each other, you've worked together.
03:07We're about to talk about the movie.
03:09But Ben and Kate, you've known each other for a long time.
03:12Like...
03:13Yes.
03:1425, 30.
03:1630 years.
03:19You guys were dating for how long?
03:28Oh, Graham.
03:30Let's draw a showbiz veil.
03:33By the way, my daughter and I bond over two things.
03:36Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
03:38Love it.
03:39And musical theater.
03:40And one of our favorite shows is Les Mis.
03:42And we both bond over how much we love you...
03:45Yes.
03:46...in Les Mis and how incredible you were as Valjean.
03:49And that's one of the things we do together.
03:50We sing like the confrontation, you know.
03:53Well, I was just saying how many of my daughter watch Severance.
03:55Right, right, right.
03:56Really?
03:57Just sit there, man.
03:58Thanks.
03:59Wow.
04:00I love you.
04:02Because people may not know, but you, of course, are the man behind Severance.
04:07Yeah.
04:08This year got a record-breaking 27 Emmy nominations.
04:12Wow.
04:14It's so good.
04:15It's so insanely good.
04:17I agree.
04:18Don't you direct every single episode?
04:19I don't.
04:20I don't.
04:21I directed about half the episodes last season.
04:23Oh, wow.
04:24And now you're not going to direct any more.
04:25Is that right?
04:26Do your research.
04:27No, not next season, but I'm still producing a part of it.
04:32Yes.
04:33Oh, okay.
04:34And the next season is being written?
04:36Yes.
04:37Yes.
04:38So it's not shot yet?
04:39You're asking all the tough questions.
04:40Okay.
04:41Yes, we are in progress.
04:42Are we in it?
04:43Is this it?
04:44We're in it right now.
04:45We're being negotiated right now.
04:47And someone who took an award away since we last met her, Divine Joy Randolph.
04:52An Oscar winner, goddammit.
04:58I felt like you had a proud relative because you were on the show talking about the holdovers.
05:02I love that movie.
05:03Yeah.
05:04So when you won, it is that kind of showbiz dream.
05:07Was it?
05:08Did it feel how you thought it would feel?
05:11Oh, it was so out of body at that point.
05:14And they, everyone had said to me, like, don't write anything down.
05:19I was like, well, I thought that's what everyone does.
05:21They were like, no, just speak from the heart.
05:23And so because of it, I blacked out.
05:26I don't remember anything.
05:30And then were you very sensible and kind of like, yes, I have my Oscar.
05:34I must go to bed now.
05:35Or did you go wild?
05:36No.
05:37I've been good that whole time.
05:39Oh.
05:40Mm-hmm.
05:41So you partied all night.
05:42Oh, yeah.
05:43Still going.
05:44Fun.
05:45Still going.
05:46Another party.
05:47Another party.
05:48Next club.
05:49Yeah.
05:50I'm wearing my hugging dress.
05:51Yeah.
05:52Let's go.
05:53Listen, let's crack on with our first movie tonight.
05:55Hugh Jackman and Kate Hudson are together in Song Song Blue.
05:59It'll be in cinemas from New Year's Day.
06:02Before we talk about it, here's a taste of the trailer.
06:06I'm not a songwriter.
06:07I'm not a songwriter.
06:08I'm not a sex symbol.
06:09But I am an entertainer.
06:11I don't want to be a hairdresser.
06:12I want to sing.
06:13I want to dance.
06:14I want to be able to sing.
06:15Look at me.
06:16I made it.
06:17Look at the night.
06:19You're supposed to be Loretta Lynn.
06:20Oh, oh, Patsy Klein.
06:21My boobs were just a bit bigger.
06:22I could be Dolly.
06:24You're a blonde?
06:25Oh, boy, am I.
06:27I can begin to know it.
06:31You know who you'd be perfect for?
06:33Neil Diamond.
06:34We fill it up with only two.
06:37We should call ourselves Lightning and Thunder.
06:40That is not very professional of me, but I've been wanting to do it for like a whole.
06:45You're gonna do a Neil Diamond show?
06:47Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.
06:48A Neil Diamond experience.
06:50Lightning and Thunder.
06:52Reaching out.
06:55Sold out shows.
06:57What's a Pearl Jam?
06:58You don't know who Pearl Jam is?
06:59I guess we're opening for Pearl Jam.
07:01Oh, my God.
07:03Oh, my God.
07:04Oh, my God.
07:05Oh, my God.
07:06Here we go.
07:07Sweet Caroline.
07:10Oh, my God.
07:11It has never seemed so good.
07:14So good.
07:15So good.
07:16So good.
07:17So good.
07:18So good.
07:19Oh, my God.
07:20I was telling you about that.
07:23I mean, it is so good.
07:25So good.
07:26So good.
07:27So good.
07:28Mike and Claire Sardina.
07:29So good.
07:30Mike and Claire Sardina are this real-life couple.
07:33Mm-hmm.
07:34So talk to us about them.
07:35Milwaukee, mid-'90s.
07:38Mike was AKA Lightning.
07:40His stage name was Lightning.
07:41I was...
07:42His manager.
07:43And Claire was Thunder.
07:44That's right.
07:45Claire Stank.
07:46His manager was his dentist who put a lightning bolt on his front tooth.
07:49And they were Lightning and Thunder.
07:51And in the mid-'90s, they had this Neil Diamond tribute band.
07:55And there they are.
07:56They played in pubs.
07:57They played in clubs.
07:58And then they just became the bomb.
07:59Huge.
08:00They were huge in Milwaukee.
08:01And they ended up opening up for Pearl Jam.
08:03And...
08:04So that's sort of the showbiz side.
08:06But their story...
08:07Oh.
08:08Honestly, I want to be in every cinema...
08:10I'm talking too much.
08:11No, no, I'll talk with...
08:12No, no, you...
08:13I'm...
08:14I'm interrupting.
08:15But also...
08:16Whatever you think this story...
08:18You know, it's a showbiz story.
08:19It...
08:20It goes to places you can't imagine.
08:22And I promise you, when you watch it, part of you is going to say,
08:25All right, Hollywood, take it down a notch.
08:27Like, come on.
08:28It's already a good story.
08:29You didn't have to lay it off.
08:30Everything is true.
08:32And Kate, you ended...
08:34You met Claire, the real Claire, in the end, but you didn't meet her initially.
08:37No, no.
08:38No, initially...
08:39I mean, we had such a great resource with the documentary.
08:42So I think Craig really wanted me to...
08:46This is the director.
08:47The director, Craig Brewer, writer-director, did an amazing job on this.
08:51And he kind of wanted me not to get too involved with Claire,
08:57so that I wouldn't be torn away from my instincts of the story he wrote.
09:01You know?
09:02But once we started, she came on set, and it was amazing.
09:07And wild, actually, to have her there and, like, for us, you know, to have the same hair and stare at the older Claire, you know?
09:16And how difficult...
09:17Because you're doing such a specific thing, you.
09:19You know, you're playing a real person who's then impersonating a real person.
09:25Right.
09:26Like, which end do you start from?
09:27Yeah, it was confusing.
09:28Yeah.
09:29But I obviously have to start with me, and because I have a life where I perform as well,
09:34I kind of had to lose me to become Mike, and then Mike to become Neil, and it was awesome.
09:39And luckily, the first thing we did was get in the recording studio.
09:42So we did everything live, and we recorded everything.
09:45Nice.
09:46But that's really where we found our voices, I think, individually and together.
09:50And connection.
09:51Yeah.
09:52And it was like a nice sort of icebreaker because the story is such an intense love story.
09:57And I remember saying to Hugh, like, this movie won't work if we don't work.
10:01And we have to find that, like, really, that they were so in love, Mike and Claire.
10:08And so starting with music for us was a great way to kind of break the ice.
10:12And the chemistry between the two of you is great.
10:14There's just a little clip, and it's a very sweet little clip that just shows that love and that chemistry.
10:20Hey, Claire.
10:24I can't thank Neil, because every thank you I got belongs to you, doll.
10:31You're my August night, and you're my September morn, and you're my heartlight, and you're my cracklin' rosie.
10:35You got me?
10:46I'll stay on stage.
10:54Oh, oh, I can't wait.
10:57I know. You know what's going on?
10:58I might cry again.
10:59I might cry again.
11:00I haven't seen the movie.
11:01I'm already crying.
11:04My parents were a mess.
11:06It was, like, really, like, I think everybody who's, you know, because even when you know someone so well, like, we were a mess when we saw the movie the first time.
11:13And that's really rare.
11:15But what's nice is they're kind of gorgeous tears.
11:17It's not a depress...
11:19In no way is it depressing.
11:20No, it's uplifting.
11:21Look at you. You're welling up as well.
11:22I'm seeing us kissing it. We had, there was a lot of kissing.
11:27So much kissing.
11:28So much kissing.
11:29It was my favorite, my favorite moment.
11:31We were kissing one night.
11:32We had a kissing scene, ended in a kiss.
11:34I proposed.
11:36And, uh, it started to snow.
11:38And it was, like, midnight.
11:39And it was freezing.
11:41It was so beautiful.
11:42You know when it's really cold and your nose can't stop running?
11:44Yes.
11:45It's not a good scene.
11:46No.
11:47The scene was, like, two minutes long.
11:48So my makeup artist would go, oh, Hugh, wow.
11:50Okay.
11:51Clean me up.
11:52But by the time it came to the kiss, just, you know.
11:54Oh, it was...
11:55And so, it's not...
11:56It ruined everything.
11:57It's really not good for your confidence when you see this look on your cosar's face.
12:04And that's on the post-up.
12:08Does your nose run when you cry?
12:10A little bit, yes.
12:11Yes, yes.
12:12And in the cold?
12:13Yes.
12:14Oh, guys, it was...
12:15Listen, I'm a professional.
12:18Am I right?
12:19I read you in an interview, and you're talking about your connection to Claire, that that idea
12:23that you don't choose to perform, like, these guys had to perform.
12:27You have to do it, yeah.
12:28I think Hugh and I both relate to that very much so, where it's, like, it's just in you.
12:33And when you're born with music in you, it has to come out.
12:36You don't know what else to do, you know?
12:39And if you're not doing that, there's something really missing in your life.
12:43And that is Claire and Mike.
12:45And it was them, their whole life, their whole, you know, relationship.
12:49I think they fell in love because they saw that in each other, too, you know?
12:53Yeah.
12:54Um...
12:55But you guys, you're...
12:56The people are born with music in them, and they can't do it.
13:00Like me.
13:01Oh!
13:02There's so many people.
13:03Like, no, but you guys are both, like, so unique.
13:05We were talking backstage about how, like, you know, he can go on Broadway for, like, a year and do Music Man.
13:10Like, there's so few people who can do both, you know, who can act and sing and dance and do all that.
13:15And, like, uniquely suited to this kind of movie where a few people can pull it off.
13:19But, Ben, drumming was your first love.
13:21Drumming was my first love, but I...
13:22Oh, wow.
13:23Yes.
13:24Yeah, but no, it was...
13:25We've got a picture of you drumming.
13:26Yeah.
13:27How old are you here?
13:28Oh!
13:29That's my bar mitzvah.
13:30Ben, that's your bar mitzvah?
13:31You're like Jack White.
13:32Yeah.
13:33But I did not have the music in me enough to make it come out and sound good.
13:39But you did, because last time you were here, you told us about your band.
13:42Yes.
13:43Yeah, yeah.
13:44We're currently in a band?
13:45I have, no, in high school, I had a band called Capital Punishment.
13:50Very nice.
13:51Yes, and we recorded one album.
13:53And you did an album.
13:54Yeah.
13:55Was it called Roadkill?
13:56It was called Roadkill.
13:58There we go.
13:59Ooh!
14:00But now, here's the weird thing.
14:01Which one of you?
14:02I'm the guy down, the Che Guevara guy at the bottom.
14:04They're the bottom right.
14:05Super dark.
14:06Yeah, yeah.
14:07What was the vibe?
14:08The vibe was sort of like a post-punk kind of alt-rock, you know, Brian Eno, David Bowie
14:15inspired.
14:16Wow.
14:17What year was this?
14:18This was 19.
14:19It's already got a 19 in front of me.
14:2280...
14:23No, no, no, no.
14:24Yeah, 82.
14:25Wow.
14:26I have to hear this out.
14:27Well, now, here's the thing.
14:28Here's the thing, Kate.
14:29You can.
14:30Because this...
14:31No, we're not going to play it, but...
14:35Now I feel bad.
14:36Now I feel bad.
14:37Like, we should be playing it.
14:38No, please.
14:39But, so, you were talking about this in interviews, or it came up, and then what happened?
14:44Well, I was...
14:45I mean, somebody released our album.
14:47You're talking about that?
14:48Yeah.
14:49Somebody released our album.
14:50Like, years later, they found it, and an independent label released Roadkill.
14:53What?
14:54Yeah.
14:55And then we got together and started playing together again, and I just played with the
14:58guys, like...
14:59Yeah.
15:00Here you all are.
15:01Here's Capital Punishment.
15:02Here's Capital Punishment now.
15:03Awesome.
15:04Yeah, that's a few years ago.
15:05Yeah.
15:06It's a reunion.
15:07Yeah, we did a few gigs, and we just rehearsed the other day, actually.
15:09Oh, God.
15:10One is, Peter, on the left, is a judge.
15:12He's, like, a...
15:14He's a judge in Arizona.
15:16And then Peter, on the other guy, the redhead Peter, he's a professor of Eastern European
15:22Literature.
15:23He lives in Prague.
15:24Okay.
15:25And then Chris, my friend who's screaming back, he lives in Brooklyn, and he's close
15:28by.
15:29Okay.
15:30So they're never, like, in the same place together.
15:31Yeah.
15:32And then, in terms of music, Divine Joy Roundup, you are a trained opera singer.
15:35Yeah.
15:36It's true.
15:37I know.
15:38You are.
15:39I am.
15:40I know.
15:41I get nervous about that.
15:42I don't know why.
15:43But it's true.
15:44It is true.
15:45That's not a lie.
15:46Yeah.
15:47Yeah.
15:48Well, you started in a choir, then opera?
15:49Yeah.
15:50And then there was this, like, new girl that came to our school and was like, I went to
15:54Interlochen.
15:55And I was like, I went home and I was like, yo, Mom, I'm going to Interlochen.
15:59I don't know what it is, but I don't know how she's talking.
16:02She's a little too cocky for me.
16:04And so, literally, I didn't know what Interlochen was, what it was about.
16:07Got to the camp.
16:08It was, like, this big international performing arts school that's, like, in the woods.
16:11Switzerland?
16:12No, no, no.
16:13It's in Traverse City, which is, like, two hours outside of Detroit.
16:16But it's an international performing arts school.
16:18I get there and they were like, so you're in the opera program?
16:21And I was like, what?
16:23But I absolutely fell in love with it.
16:26And I was hooked.
16:27And I was saying to you backstage, when are we going to hear you sing in a movie?
16:31I know.
16:32And I'm so jealous now.
16:33Because hearing about theirs.
16:34And I got a chance to work with Craig Brewer on Dolomite.
16:37So I know how he's so good with music.
16:39I need to make it happen.
16:40It's going to happen.
16:41I do.
16:42I need to make it happen.
16:43Yeah, keep talking about it.
16:44And it'll happen.
16:45Like him.
16:46He brought up an interview and the whole band got back together.
16:48He can direct the Capital Punishment movie.
16:50Yes!
16:51I can play it myself.
16:54Talking of music, Song Song Blue, obviously it's not about Neil Diamond, but his music is like a character.
17:00I mean, it's so gorgeous.
17:01There's 13 of his songs in it.
17:03Wow.
17:04And Neil knew the story of Mike and Claire really well.
17:07And so he just gave his rights to his music for the movie.
17:10And you both spent time with him, right?
17:12Yeah.
17:13You did first.
17:14Yeah, I grew up in Colorado and he lives like 10 minutes from where I grew up and had never met him.
17:23And he had seen the movie and I was like, can I go see him?
17:27And they invited me over and we had lemonade on the porch.
17:30There you are!
17:31There you are having lemonade on the porch.
17:32It was so emotional because he's retired.
17:35He's not singing anymore.
17:37He's really like, you know, living a very quiet life.
17:40Yeah.
17:41And he loves his movie so much.
17:42And he was so grateful, which I was not expecting.
17:45And emotional about the movie.
17:47And then we just had just like this lovely porch moment.
17:51Yeah.
17:52What's that song?
17:53I am myself.
17:54Ah, so good.
17:55Yeah.
17:56Oh, it's in there.
17:57To know one day, and no one at night, even the chair.
18:02Oh, very good.
18:03I'm going to do a duet.
18:04Yeah.
18:05So, Kate went round and had lemonade on the porch.
18:11Yeah.
18:12You, Jackman, you sort of imposed yourself on the Diamond family.
18:15Yeah.
18:16Well, he rang me.
18:17Oh, did he?
18:18And he rang me after seeing the movie with his wife, Katie.
18:21And he was crying.
18:22And he was so moved by it.
18:24He loved it.
18:25And he just loved the story of Mike and Claire.
18:28And so I took the opportunity.
18:29I said, ah, guys, I'd love to come round and have a cuppa or something.
18:34And they were like, and Neil's like, OK, yeah, all right.
18:39And then I didn't hear from Neil anymore.
18:41And Katie obviously takes her phone and goes, you know, we're in Colorado.
18:44I went, OK, yeah, no, I'd still like to come for a cuppa.
18:48And she was like, you, so I guess you want to stay the night?
18:50And I'm like, that'd be great.
18:52And she's like, OK, so we went there.
18:56And their son, Jesse, was there.
18:57And Neil came out.
18:58And he came up to me.
18:59And he grabbed me.
19:00And he goes, you did good, kid.
19:01Oh.
19:02And he was emotional about it.
19:04And so I stayed the night.
19:06And at dinner time, Neil Diamond.
19:09Neil Diamond goes, you want to do some karaoke?
19:12I'm like, hell yeah.
19:15We did karaoke.
19:17And he's, yes.
19:19Oh.
19:20And the first song, Neil sang.
19:22Yeah.
19:23At one point, he put his arm around.
19:24He kissed me on the forehead.
19:25And he sang, I dreamed a dream.
19:27No.
19:28And I said, why are you singing, I dreamed a dream?
19:29And he goes, that's such a pretty tune.
19:31And he sang it so beautifully.
19:32A pretty tune.
19:33And then we sang, can't help falling in love with you.
19:36And then we sang, sweet Caroline.
19:38Of course she did.
19:39Yeah.
19:40And a funny fact about the Diamond household.
19:42It's the best.
19:43This is a true story.
19:45Anyone who says, so good, in the Diamond household, two other people have to say, so good, so good.
19:50So good, so good.
19:51It took me a second to work it out.
19:52It happened to me, too.
19:53Like, I'm sitting there, I go, oh God, it was so good.
19:55And you hear someone go, so good, so good.
19:57And you're like, and then finally I was like, do you guys say that?
20:00And she's like, oh yeah, every time someone says, so good.
20:02Yeah.
20:03It's so good.
20:04So good.
20:05Oh.
20:06Play that game at home, you're going to realise how often you say it.
20:08And you told me real quick.
20:11It's just a gorgeous film.
20:13A reminder that Hugh and Kate will be making beautiful music together in Songzong Blue from New Year's Day.
20:19And take it from me, it's so good.
20:23Very good.
20:24Good.
20:25Very good.
20:26So, everyone can go to the Diamond household.
20:28Yes.
20:29The only one will win.
20:30But, right now, you can see Ben Stiller in a very personal documentary film, Stiller and Mira, Nothing is Lost.
20:37It's out now on Apple TV+.
20:40So, Ben, this is kind of a tribute to your parents and Mira and Jerry Stiller.
20:45And very famous in America, I think probably less well, certainly the double act, less well-known here.
20:50Yes, yeah.
20:51I think my dad became most well-known for doing Seinfeld and being on Seinfeld and King of Queens.
20:55But, yeah, they had a whole career before that.
20:58My parents were a comedy team.
21:00They were on the Ed Sullivan Show about 36 times in those six days.
21:03Whoa.
21:04Yeah.
21:05And, you know, their whole act was sort of based on their relationship.
21:09And we grew up around that and them, you know, kind of creating together.
21:13And so the documentary is about, yeah, about growing up in a show business family and kind of...
21:19And then it sort of became about our whole family.
21:22Because originally I wanted to make something when my dad passed away just about my parents and their career and their relationship.
21:29But I didn't really know what it would be.
21:31And that was in 2020 I started working on it.
21:33And COVID was happening and, you know, it was just kind of a time where, you know, we couldn't do a memorial for my dad or anything like that.
21:43And I had all this footage that my dad had saved because he'd saved Super 8 footage and home movies and video cassettes and scripts.
21:51And we were going through the apartment.
21:53So the movies, my sister and I going through the apartment.
21:55That bit is so relatable.
21:57Anyone who's lost a parent.
21:58Yeah.
21:59When you and Amy are going to the apartment to clear it out.
22:01And when you say clear it out, there's stuff.
22:04I mean, he kept everything.
22:06He saved everything.
22:07Yeah.
22:08He saved like an old scuba mask from when I was like eight years old or like our YMCA, you know, form to like, you know, to apply for the family day.
22:16Things like that.
22:17And so, but you know how it just gets very, you know, you get deep into that stuff when you start going into it and you kind of go into another time.
22:23It takes forever to get rid of it.
22:24Yeah.
22:25And so making the movie was a strange process because I'd be delving into all this stuff.
22:29And then I was trying to figure out what is the movie really about?
22:31We've got a clip.
22:33This is your parents at work.
22:35And then it kind of cuts to you and your sister, Amy, talking about.
22:39Yeah.
22:40We're going through the apartment, going through all the stuff.
22:42Some of the blurred lines.
22:43Yes.
22:44Yeah.
22:45It's called hate.
22:46The heat of your heart, hate.
22:47You know, I say to Anne, I hate you.
22:48And she says, you hate me.
22:49I hate you.
22:50And one day, Amy, who's six, came into the room and she heard us saying this to each other.
22:54And we looked at her for a moment and we didn't know what to say.
22:57So we said, uh, Amy, mommy, daddy, rehearse.
23:00Right.
23:01Mommy, daddy, rehearse.
23:02And Amy looked at us and she started to smile.
23:04Well, about two weeks later, we were fighting.
23:07And Amy walked in and she said.
23:10Mommy, daddy, rehearse?
23:11No, mommy, daddy, fight.
23:12Get out of here.
23:13It gets to be a little complicated sometimes.
23:14That's right.
23:15I hated you before I met you.
23:16I hated you before you were born.
23:18To me, that's like one of the things that I think about is just how that became sort
23:23of like, yeah, that's the laugh.
23:24That's the funny joke.
23:25But what is the reality of that story though?
23:28We don't know Ben, that's why we're so messed up.
23:32That's why we're doing this documentary?
23:34That's why we're going to figure it out.
23:35And in the documentary, I mean, it does become kind of meta where, you know, what are some
23:47of the pitfalls of parenting that you see yourself fall into while you're making this?
23:54I think it's that thing when you're, you know, when you're younger, I, you know, having kids
23:58who want to, who are actors, and my son's in college, my daughter's a working actor, you
24:04know, I see myself in them in terms of how I was with my parents.
24:08Because when I was young, I didn't want my parents' help.
24:11I didn't, I kind of, you know, wanted to do my own thing.
24:13I wasn't even, I didn't even care what they were doing.
24:15And, but also I was, I had like issues with them, you know, cause they were working all
24:19the time and they were busy and, you know, the stuff that comes up as you get older too,
24:23and you look back and, but then when you have kids, it just makes you look at your parents
24:27in such a different way.
24:28And of course I, so I decided to interview my kids for the, for the movie.
24:32And of course they have all the same issues that I had, but probably even worse.
24:37And I, I realized, you know, that that's the thing, like you try to not make those mistakes,
24:41but then you can't help it.
24:42It's just, you know, it's part of just, you know, being a parent.
24:45This is all hitting very close to home.
24:47Yeah.
24:48When you grew up with very famous, you know, Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell, do they kind
24:51of try to protect you from the show business bit or were you kind of in it?
24:55You know, it's funny when you're in it, you don't see it like show biz.
24:58You see it like a really creative, artistic story point.
25:02And also it's your life.
25:03You don't know any difference.
25:04Yeah.
25:05Like they're not like, you know, I mean, it was just their job.
25:09And, you know, it's so interesting to, to hear this cause it is, it's, it's, it's a story.
25:15It's like, you know, my, my son, same as Ella, they're both actors and it is a DNA thing.
25:21There's something in it.
25:22There's something in the artist kind of, you know, DNA that is an interesting thing to uncover.
25:30Like, what is it?
25:31Is it, is it nurture or is it nature?
25:33Yeah.
25:34And, and Devon, it's interesting.
25:35You didn't have show business parents, but your parents, they went to such lengths to
25:39make sure you succeeded.
25:40Like no one that we have traced in our genealogical past has artistic gifts.
25:47I genuinely do not know where this came from.
25:52I don't.
25:53But it was cool because my parents were just kind of like, my parents taught me at a young
25:58age, like, these are your gifts.
26:00That was something that I knew that was very different from other kids that like, it would
26:04almost be like a whisper.
26:05Like, well, you know what I mean?
26:06Like, let's say, I don't know, we're out and about shopping or whatever.
26:09And maybe I would just like goof off and be humming.
26:12And my mom would be like, that's, that's real.
26:15That's a real gift that you have.
26:18And I was like, oh, okay.
26:20So I was made aware of it at a young age.
26:22And so when I switched gears and got into acting, uh, and when I had gotten to Yale,
26:27my father was very happy because of the Ivy League portion of the equation.
26:33And got all the lanyards and all the things.
26:35And I was like, you know, it's for acting though, right?
26:37He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
26:40He went to Yale.
26:41And I never forget at my graduation, Scorsese spoke, was like the keynote speaker.
26:47And my dad was like, talk to him.
26:49You need to get a job.
26:50And I was like, please, stop that.
26:53But yeah, it's, but they've been so supportive.
26:56And I, I can't even imagine what that would be like.
26:59And as I was like growing into my artistry, I kind of always wanted that.
27:03Although I was so grateful to what my parents did.
27:05But because I was kind of like on my own and, and figuring this out.
27:10Um, but I just think that is so unique.
27:13It's amazing they supported you like that.
27:15Yeah.
27:16Well, talking of supportive fathers, Hugh Jackman, your dad did something so sweet.
27:21Do you know what I'm talking about?
27:22I do know what he did.
27:23But my dad was always supportive.
27:24We went growing up always to the theatre every show.
27:27My standing, my gift every year for my birthday was a subscription to the Sydney Theatre Company so that I could go, he bought the cheapest one possible.
27:36So I had to go Wednesday matinee and skip class just so I could do it.
27:40But dad made sure I saw everything.
27:42And I remember once in my career, dad saw everything I did, was always just so effusive when he came back.
27:49Even the stuff that he had no interest in.
27:51And I could tell he didn't like it.
27:52But he'd be like, wonderful work, Hugh.
27:54Wonderful.
27:55And one time I was offered to do carousel at Carnegie Hall.
28:00And I told dad, I'm doing this thing.
28:02He goes, I'm coming.
28:03Because for my dad, carousel, that's his jam.
28:07So my dad never missed a day of working his life.
28:09He worked at Pricewaterhouse his entire working life.
28:12And he took three days off to come to New York to see me in carousel.
28:17Now when I say three days, that's a 24 hour flight from Sydney to New York.
28:21Wow.
28:22He was in New York for less than 24 hours and then a 24 hour flight back straight to the office.
28:26Wow.
28:27And so he was on his way over and my dad, itineraries, accountant.
28:32Classic accountant.
28:33What's the dress code?
28:34What time is it?
28:35And I said, it's black tie, dad.
28:36It's Carnegie Hall.
28:37Well, on the day of, I found out it wasn't black tie.
28:40It was business casual.
28:42And I pictured my dad just arriving with like whatever he's wearing on the plane with the black tie.
28:48So I rang him.
28:49He was, he was, he just got to the hotel.
28:51I'm rehearsing.
28:52We're on in like eight hours.
28:54I said, Dan, I'm so sorry.
28:55It's not.
28:56He goes, don't worry.
28:57I'll get it sorted.
28:58Everything's okay.
28:59And I said, fine.
29:00He said, but do me a favor, Hugh.
29:01I would love to come and pick you up at your hotel room and walk you to the stage door before the performance.
29:07Stop.
29:08And I said, sure.
29:09And my dad never asked for stuff like that.
29:11And so I said, sure.
29:12I said, well, meet me at six.
29:13The show's at eight.
29:14I'm going to walk over, get there about 6.15.
29:16And so six o'clock on the dot.
29:18There's a knock on the door.
29:19Open it up.
29:20And there's my father standing in full black tie.
29:23I'm like, no, no, no, no, dad.
29:26I'm so serious.
29:27Only the choir are wearing black tie.
29:30No one else.
29:31And he looked me straight in the eye and he said, Hugh, my son is singing at Carnegie Hall.
29:35It is black tie for me.
29:37Oh.
29:38That's beautiful.
29:39Yeah.
29:40Not a dry eye.
29:41Not a dry eye.
29:42Oh, my God.
29:43Someone's got to cry tonight.
29:44Someone's got to cry.
29:45Here's the thing.
29:46I couldn't believe in the documentary bit.
29:47So your parents are performers, but they were not shy about kind of bringing you and your
29:59sister in front of the cameras.
30:00Right.
30:01Well, yeah.
30:02When we were little, I mean, they would go on the Mike Douglas show, which was like a daily
30:06show and they would bring us out, you know, for like a funny little bit or something like
30:10that.
30:11We thought it was so much fun because we got to be on TV.
30:13But it wasn't.
30:14So some of the times you just came on as cute, small people.
30:17Look, our adorable children.
30:19Right.
30:20But they make you not why they made you, but you perform.
30:23Well, they were co-hosting the show.
30:25So they do five shows and they'd be sitting on the couch with him.
30:28And so I think one day they were like trying to think of things to do that would be fun.
30:32And they go, oh, well, our kids take violin lessons.
30:35Why don't we have them come out and play?
30:37Listen, we have the clip.
30:38I don't know.
30:39What is happening?
30:41This is the clip.
30:42This is the clip from the documentary.
30:44This is the clip from the documentary.
30:45Check out the level of talent.
30:46So here we go.
30:47So this is Ben and his sister Amy on the show.
30:51Oh, my gosh.
30:52And now, like.
30:54Oh, my God.
30:55Well, let's listen to you a little bit.
30:56Look at your belt.
30:57Here we go.
31:00Were you normally better than this?
31:02No.
31:03No.
31:04This is as good as it got.
31:06Your mother is kind of embarrassed, I think.
31:08Yes.
31:13Your dad.
31:14Your dad is just laughing at you.
31:15No.
31:16He thinks we're doing great.
31:17Oh, OK.
31:18He truly thought we were amazing.
31:19I love that.
31:20Oh.
31:21That is so funny.
31:22I mean, my mother there is realizing, oh, there's going to be years of therapy after.
31:31Beautiful.
31:32You can see Ben's tribute to his parents, Stiller and Mira, nothing is lost on Apple TV right
31:39now.
31:40Yeah.
31:41Yeah.
31:42That's amazing.
31:43Meanwhile, Divine Joy Randolph brings us Eternity.
31:48It's in cinemas from the 5th of December.
31:51And so this is, there aren't many of them, but there are a couple.
31:55It's an afterlife rom-com.
31:56Mm-hmm.
31:57OK.
31:58And so who do you play?
32:00What's going on?
32:01Tell us what you can.
32:02So I play an AC, which is an afterlife coordinator.
32:06So it's like a social worker of purgatory, basically.
32:09And the whole concept is like, when people leave Earth, they come to this place.
32:16It's called the Junction.
32:17And we basically, my role is that, as an AC, is that I help you decide where you would like
32:26to spend eternity.
32:27And there's all these different worlds of options.
32:30Like, Beach World and, like, Germany in the 30s, before the Nazis.
32:36Like, no Nazis.
32:38You know what I mean?
32:39That's a real thing.
32:40I go for Beach World.
32:41Yeah.
32:43And so, in our movie, basically, Elizabeth Olsen and Miles Teller play an old couple.
32:54He dies by choking on a pretzel.
32:56Mm-hmm.
32:57That's a sad, sad, sad way to go.
33:00And he dies first.
33:03Then she dies.
33:04And he's waiting for her.
33:06And then when she dies, she's asked the same question.
33:10And then Callum Turner appears and is like, I am your long-lost first love,
33:17who went to war, died in the war, and he's waited 67 years for her.
33:23Ooh.
33:24And so, he comes and is like, babe, it's me.
33:26And so, she has a real dilemma.
33:29So, her choice, well, her thing, then, is whom she is going to spend eternity with.
33:35And then shenanigans ensue.
33:36Both.
33:37As hot.
33:38Duh.
33:39Both hot.
33:40Big both.
33:41Big both.
33:42But, yeah, it's really cute, and it's all this back and forth,
33:45and she's trying to figure it out.
33:47And so, my character helps Miles' character try to win the girl.
33:52Well, that's what we've got.
33:53We've got a clip of you as Anna with Miles' teller character, Larry, discussing his options.
33:57Mm-hmm.
33:58He looks like Montgomery Cliff.
33:59Woo!
34:00Oh, my gosh.
34:01I was saying this just the other day.
34:03Montgomery Cliff.
34:04He is so handsome.
34:06Luke is so handsome.
34:07You're not helping.
34:08I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
34:11Luke is hot.
34:12His eyes are blue as in the ocean.
34:14He has a better narrative.
34:15No, he doesn't.
34:16I have a better narrative.
34:18I was married to her for 65 years, and I gave her children.
34:21Exactly.
34:22We go with that.
34:23That's strong.
34:24There's nothing more powerful than emotional blackmail.
34:25Right?
34:26Good on you.
34:33I don't know if you know this.
34:34I heard Elizabeth Olsen talking about this movie, and weirdly, she said she...
34:39Do you know this?
34:40I heard this, too.
34:41I don't know Elizabeth Olsen, but I heard her on a talk show talking about the movie,
34:44saying that she modeled her character, this older lady, on my mother.
34:49I believe it.
34:50Yeah.
34:51That sounds amazing.
34:52She watched tapes of your parents working together.
34:54That blew my mind.
34:55That was, yeah, the other night.
34:56I just heard her saying that.
34:57I believe it.
34:58I love your father's physical comedy so much, and so when I get a chance to be physical,
35:03just the way that he was so free in his body is something, like, normally directors have to be like,
35:08tone it down, tone it down, because I would literally throw myself across the room if I could do it.
35:13I just loved how much he just was so in his body and all his faculties.
35:18Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:19A lot of film actors, you know, physicality in movies is not really talked about that much, you know,
35:25because it's all, like, close up, you know, but that's such...
35:27No, I love it.
35:28But also there's a tone to the comedy in it, that kind of tug of love.
35:30Yup.
35:31That does kind of, it feeds into that thing.
35:34I love that.
35:35I can't wait to see it.
35:36It's called Eternity, and it's out on the 5th of December.
35:39But we should say people can still enjoy you on the small screen.
35:43Murders, only murders in the building.
35:45Oh, yes.
35:46Only murders in the building.
35:48Look at those two do nut jobs.
35:51Aww.
35:52We've just finished Season 5 here.
35:55Now, Season 6 is happening.
35:57It is.
35:58Now, I hear a rumour.
35:59It's not a rumour anymore, but it might be for you guys.
36:01Go ahead, say it.
36:02It's going to be filmed here.
36:03It is going to be filmed here.
36:04Wow.
36:05How is that happening?
36:06When I tell you, I literally don't know.
36:08Okay.
36:09I don't know how we, but the only thing I think of is like, we were in New York.
36:12Then we had a season in LA.
36:14Now we're going to London.
36:17So I genuinely, I'm not even like, I'm not going to tell you.
36:20I don't know.
36:21Okay.
36:22How we are going to London, but I'm very excited.
36:24But the New York cop is coming to London.
36:26I sure hope so.
36:27Like, you know, you pitched your thing in the interview.
36:30Where's the camera?
36:31John Hoffman.
36:32I would love to be in this next season of Only Murders in the Building.
36:35London.
36:36And, cause wouldn't it be so cool if she like had scenes with like the guards, right?
36:44Oh yes.
36:45And she's trying to like make them break and stuff.
36:47Yes.
36:48Like, right?
36:49I can see it.
36:50Or like she wants to go in training to be one of those.
36:51Cause you know, she's so tough.
36:52Yeah.
36:53Now you join the Met.
36:54It'll be good.
36:55Yeah.
36:56I love it.
36:57Then it's been a while.
36:58The Fockers are back.
36:59Yes.
37:00They're coming back.
37:04It's called Focker in Law?
37:05Focker in Law.
37:09Rolls off the tongue.
37:10Don't love it.
37:11And is everyone back?
37:12Owen Wilson's back.
37:13Robert De Niro's back.
37:14And Terry Polo's back.
37:17And Blythe Thanner's back.
37:19And the prospective Focker in Law is Ariana Grande.
37:24Oh wow.
37:25Yes.
37:26And when will Focker in Law be in the world?
37:29We have this holiday in the States called Thanksgiving.
37:32Do you know?
37:33We've heard of it.
37:34So it's around now.
37:35So a year from now it's going to be out.
37:37Oh.
37:38We just finished shooting.
37:39We literally just finished shooting it.
37:40Okay.
37:41Yeah.
37:42So next Thanksgiving.
37:43Yes.
37:44But we had a great time.
37:45She's incredible.
37:46Ariana's like, what an amazing girl.
37:47You'd worked with her before though hadn't you?
37:48She was in Zoolander 2.
37:50We had an orgy scene.
37:52Oh.
37:53And there was a hippo.
37:55And...
37:56And Ariana.
37:57And myself.
37:58And Owen.
37:59And a few other random people.
38:01And that was when we worked together back in the day.
38:03Beautiful.
38:04And Hugh, last year, such enormous success with your movie Deadpool and Wolverine.
38:09I think it was the second biggest movie of the year.
38:11No, for sure.
38:12Yeah.
38:13Yeah.
38:14So every time you're on, you've got to go, well I won't be doing that again.
38:21But then you keep making another one.
38:23And it's a big, big hit.
38:24Yeah.
38:25So are you going to have to do it again?
38:26Maybe.
38:27Ooh.
38:28Maybe.
38:29I'm not saying, I am never saying never ever again.
38:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:34Because I didn't mean it when I said never until the day when I changed my mind.
38:38But I really did for quite a few years I meant it.
38:41Do you think you've got to the point now where they could like, AI the body or something?
38:44A hundred percent.
38:45Yeah.
38:46I think I've done ten films.
38:47I know.
38:48Yeah.
38:49So I think they've got enough in there.
38:50Oh yes.
38:51In fact, good point.
38:52In fact, I've done your show five or six times.
38:53I could be out there in the dressing room.
38:54I don't know why you're here.
38:55I'm going to take the fruit bowl.
38:56I'm out.
38:57Yeah.
38:58Right.
38:59It is time for music.
39:00This Grammy-nominated artist shot to fame with his first single, Caroline, in 2023.
39:09Here performing 12 to 12 from his current album, I barely know her, it is Somber.
39:14It's the UK television debut.
39:29I don't want anyone else.
39:33From the hours of 12 to 12, I am not the least compelled by anyone but yourself.
39:43Woo!
39:44Look at me and make me melt.
39:45I know you want to see me in my life.
39:46I'm dealing with the cars I've dealt with.
39:47While you're dancing with somebody else.
39:48Was it always in your plan to live eventually?
39:49Because to me there's no one else that could make sense of you.
39:50The last and final positive.
39:51In the room where people are looking for you.
39:58Would you avoid me?
39:59Or would you do for me too?
43:17¡Sombre, everybody!
43:20¡Oh, you guys are amazing!
43:22¡Oh!
43:22¡That was so fun!
43:23¡Oh, thank you!
43:24¡Oh, I have to say, you know, we've been doing this show for a while.
43:27We've had lots of musical performances.
43:28I've never seen that mic stand before.
43:30Well, it's because it's the first of its kind.
43:32¡Oh!
43:33¡Oh, so fun!
43:34¿What do you call it?
43:35Does it have a name?
43:36¡Oh, Giant Ball Sack!
43:37¡Ah!
43:38¡Perfect!
43:39¿How many times has that Giant Ball Sack hit you?
43:42¡Oh, I was going to say that!
43:44¡No problem!
43:47¡No, no, no!
43:49The stem of the Giant Ball Sack is what hits you.
43:54You brought it up.
43:56So, thank you very much for that performance.
43:58That is off your current album, I Barely Know Her.
44:02There it is, ladies and gentlemen.
44:03Thank you.
44:05And, uh...
44:06I'm so happy for you, because straight out of the gate, a Grammy nomination.
44:12¡Amazing!
44:13Thank you.
44:14Thank you so much.
44:15And what I think is really nice about the Grammys is they announce the nominations, and then the Grammys aren't for ages.
44:22Yeah.
44:23Like, you get to be a nominee for so long, it's lovely.
44:25I'm just enjoying it while it lasts, and time's ticking.
44:28No, no, no.
44:29And, you know, you're young, but you have been doing music since you were very young.
44:33Yeah.
44:34And am I right that you were about 17, and you were like, actually, I'm not going to bother.
44:37I'm going to pack this in.
44:38Well, yeah, I was, um, in high school, and I was just, um, kind of figuring out what I wanted to do with my life.
44:46I hated school, it was not for me, and so I kind of, I made this one song, and it was, like, my last hope kind of thing, which is kind of funny, because I was literally, like, 16 years old.
44:58So it definitely wasn't, but I felt that way, because I was just a little dumbass, but whatever.
45:04Um, I posted it on the internet one day, um, I wrote it and produced it in my room, and then I went to bed expecting to get bullied at school the next day, but I woke up, and it was viral overnight, and then I had every record label in my inbox, and I didn't know what to do, um, so I, I got signed, and I was able to drop out of school, and my mom was really upset about that, but.
45:25Now I'm on Graham Norton, so.
45:27Yeah!
45:27Yeah!
45:28Who are your musical heroes?
45:33My musical heroes, um, ah, man, Radiohead is, uh, my favorite band, I love Jeff Buckley, you're putting me on the spot, I love The Strokes, Velvet Underground.
45:46Capital Punishment.
45:47Who?
45:47Capital Punishment.
45:49I love, um, Capital Punishment.
45:52There you go!
45:53And then The Beatles.
45:54Yeah!
45:56The stage presence.
45:57Where in the world did that come from?
46:00Cause you're young, but when he was moving, I was like, who is this old soul, that's why you probably asked about who his muses are, because the way he's moving and taking over this space, I was like, where do you get that from?
46:13I learned it all on stage, I used to be really stiff, but when I walked out to like, my first bigger headline show, of like fans that were all there for me, something just unlocked in me, and I don't know, like I just tried stuff on stage.
46:28It's very cool.
46:29I don't think it's that good, but thank you.
46:31It's good.
46:31It's good.
46:31It's good.
46:32It's good.
46:33Well, thank you very much for that great performance, we all really enjoyed it, and, uh, good luck with the album, and at the Grammys.
46:39Sombra, everybody!
46:40Thank you!
46:41Thank you!
46:41Right, that is nearly it, no, no, you stay, you stay there, Sombra, you're going nowhere, you've arrived now, you're going nowhere.
46:51Uh, it's just time for a quick visit to the big red chair, who's there, hello?
46:56Hi.
46:57Hi, what's your name?
46:58Luke.
46:59Luke, lovely, and where are you from, Luke?
47:01At Belfast.
47:02Gorgeous, and do you live there or here?
47:03I live here, I've lived here for the last year.
47:05Okay, you've really lost the accent, and, uh, I just shot a film in Belfast.
47:11Have you?
47:12Yeah, I just shot a film there in February.
47:14Anyway.
47:15He wasn't there.
47:16You've been here for a year.
47:17Belfast is dead to him now.
47:19What do you do here, Luke?
47:21Um, I'm a management consultant.
47:23Okay, well, he's landed on his feet.
47:25Off you go with the story, Luke.
47:27Okay, so, three or four years ago, I had a rather embarrassing operation on my bum, my backside, so...
47:34We got bum, yep.
47:35Yeah.
47:36So, anyway, I was in hospital and was getting surgery, and it hadn't been really done on
47:43someone my age, so my surgeon was rather, um, apprehensive, but anyway, after she did
47:48it to me, she was, she basically said that we needed to take before photos and after photos
47:51for the British Medical Journal, so...
47:53Oh!
47:54And evening.
47:55Ha!
47:56I was in hospital.
47:57I was in hospital.
47:58I was in hospital.
47:59I was in hospital.
48:00I was in hospital.
48:01I was in hospital.
48:02Yeah.
48:03So, anyway, I was in hospital and was getting surgery, and it hadn't been really done on
48:04getting discharged.
48:05So, anyway, I have to go get my after photos.
48:07So, um, the person can see I'm very, very nervous.
48:10The photographer, and, like, it was quite an old woman, and next thing she said, like,
48:13don't worry, son, I've seen it all, I've seen it all.
48:15So, I was, I relaxed, turned around, pulled down my trousers, pulled down my pants, bent
48:20over, and next thing all I hear is a gasp, and holy shit, and I just look, bright red-faced,
48:25and it's like, I've seen it all now, son.
48:27That was it.
48:28I mean, I do love that story.
48:29Do you want to walk, or do you want to be flipped?
48:30Yeah, flip me.
48:31Yeah, go on.
48:32There we go.
48:33All right.
48:34I think we're not missing that story.
48:35Come on.
48:36That's, yeah.
48:37I didn't want to cry, but what on earth was the operation?
48:38What was the operation, and why did they need before and after things?
48:40For me, it was nothing, I was a medical journal.
48:41Like, it's, it's been published.
48:42It's a published…
48:43It's a published…
48:44That's a published book.
48:45Google it, kids.
48:47That really is all we've got time for.
48:48If you like to have a go and the red show yourself, and tell your story, you've got
49:03the one I'm going to.
49:06We've got the orange, the red show yourself, and tell your story.
49:08Share yourself and tell your story.
49:10Contact us via our website at this is their address.
49:12Please say a huge thank you to all of my guests tonight.
49:14Somber!
49:17Devine Joy Randolph!
49:20Ben Stiller!
49:23Kate Hudson!
49:26And Hugh Jessman!
49:29Join me next week with music guest Jesse Jay,
49:33Bridgerton's Nicola Coughlin,
49:34smoldering Swede Alexander Skarsgård,
49:37Hollywood legend Glenn Close
49:39and national treasurer Miriam Margulies.
49:41I'll see you then. Good night everybody. Bye-bye!
49:48Bring on the bangers.
49:50Radio 1 Anthem's got your weekend covered.
49:52Listen on BBC Sounds.
49:55And the wait's almost over.
49:56Watch The Night Manager on iPlayer
49:58ahead of a brand new series coming soon.
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