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Accident Suicide Murder S06E04
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00:00a husband does the unthinkable and you say your wife is beyond help yes ma'am
00:14i was told your father shot your mother i still don't know how to take that
00:22there were glaring questions that we needed to get answers to
00:27was this death a fatal agreement she started almost incessantly with i'm going to kill myself
00:33i want you to kill me and his mother he's someone who gave his life in exchange for hers or is it
00:39cold-blooded murder disguised as a mercy killing they feared for their lives they thought he would
00:45come and hunt them down we do everything that we possibly took for him we never saw him he was
00:52overwhelmed he was just going to take matters into his own hands in the end you can't go around
00:59praying god
00:599-1-1 what is your emergency
01:25on march 27 2017 there was a call to 9-1-1 about a shooting outside of a memory care center
01:44do you still have the weapon yes but i'm unloading it and setting it off to the side
01:50the caller calmly reported what he had done and was relatively unemotional what is your name
01:58steve cruspe the caller is 62 year old steven cruspe the victim was his wife 61 year old pam
02:09cruspe cruspe and you say your wife is beyond help yes ma'am
02:15given the bizarre nature of the call detectives approach the scene with a mix of curiosity and dread
02:27when that call came out my mindset was you know this is not possible someone's just not calling to
02:34say i just did this this could be a prank as i'm driving along the dispatchers were giving us
02:40additional details that made me realize oh this is actually real this person's still on the phone
02:45at one point he's talking to her still as if she's still alive
03:03was almost like he was in some kind of disbelief
03:06as we approached parkside it it's a assisted living facility and it is pretty much the only
03:14physical building on that block we're expecting some sort of chaos because we're responding to a
03:21shooting when we approached we saw nothing the parking lot was empty so that even added to our
03:29confusion so we're communicating on the radio with our dispatchers asking hey have the person come
03:35out to the parking lot so we can see them can you walk out to the street stay for me but i want you to
03:41have your hands up so that they know that you don't have the gun are you okay yes officers are looking
03:47for him and then dispatchers were still trying to get him to come out but he was hesitant let me know
03:54when you're with them see ma'am i gotta go with my wife no i need to make sure the officer gets you
03:59steve because i don't want anything to happen to you okay all right once he actually listened
04:06he came out to the parking lot when we laid eyes on him we didn't see a typical homicidal maniac
04:12we just saw a older man who does not appear that he can hurt a fly just walking out
04:19he was not agitated you know he looked a bit sad but he was quite cooperative at the time
04:26once we put handcuffs on him we asked him okay where's the gun and where's your wife and he told
04:32us she's in the back of the building by the patio
04:35lo and behold we found her on the ground in the grass just a few feet away from the actual patio
04:45we did not see a bloody murder scene all we saw was a lady laying there on her back
04:55with a very small wound on her chest she was shot it was at close range there were not multiple shots
05:06and there was very little blood for someone who was shot to death in the heart looks like it was
05:13done by someone who really knew what he was doing and wanted to end her life right away this was no
05:18ordinary perpetrator this was a marksman this was someone who knew where exactly to shoot
05:23as we looked at the body there's nothing about the body that suggested any kind of struggle
05:28no scratch marks no defensive wound we did find the gun with five additional rounds in the magazine
05:38and the gun was already made safe and placed on a half wall at the patio
05:43it's clear to police stephen krespi isn't trying to hide his straightforward and thoughtful cooperation
05:51is in stark contrast to the crime before them but he is clear this wasn't a struggle or an accident
05:57it was a request he said i just shot my wife she asked me to do it we're in disbelief and she's
06:06not here to actually speak for herself the way i looked at it automatically i'm like this is a
06:11homicide and we had a person who did it in custody it may appear that okay yes he was doing something
06:18to help her but ultimately he is a killer you killed your wife and it is in fact a crime
06:26the night of the incident i was 37 my sister called and said you need to get down to parkside
06:35and i was like why what's going on there's been an incident i can't tell you get down there you got
06:41to go okay my mom was at parkside assisted living facility for about two to three months at this point
06:53i honestly thought like my mom had injured herself she was diagnosed with frontal temporal
07:01lobe dementia a little more than a year before this happened it's a very aggressive form of alzheimer's
07:07and at night a lot of times mom would get aggressive and so i figured this may have been one of those
07:14incidents and they just needed somebody else down there to help control the situation
07:20i get there and there's cops everywhere this is a little more than just my mom being aggressive
07:31and i remember walking up the scene and there was another police officer there and he was like
07:38who are you can i help you well my name is matthew cruspe my father and mother are here and uh
07:46a detective came towards me he goes um i need i need to inform you that your mother's deceased
07:53and he was like um your father shot your mother
08:05i didn't i i i i
08:09i still don't know how to take that
08:13my mom was a huge influence in my life she's honestly the strongest woman that i know
08:19my initial reaction is like you gotta be kidding me like what happened
08:29my mom and dad met at a marine corps ball in 1974. she was working as a civilian at a navy contractor
08:36and he was in the marines guarding arlington national cemetery
08:42he was willing to dance when none of the other guys were willing to dance and they danced together
08:46one of their favorite things to do was swing dance and they could move they could they could really
08:52really move pam and steve complimented each other they were two sides of each other's heart
08:59they always were thoughtful and respectful about what each other thought and felt and they didn't
09:05operate unless it was together they got married in 1976 and they had three children in four years
09:14andrew was the oldest and then stephanie and then nappy was the youngest he was born in 1980.
09:20the children were always respectful happy playful fun curious and just delightful delightful children
09:29my parents were married for 47 years but the first half of my childhood my dad was always gone
09:35you know he was in the military he was constantly deployed here there come home for a few months and
09:39leave stationed in north carolina as part of special warfare operations steve's mission was to train
09:45america's elite soldiers navy seals and green berets a lot of stuff he does i i don't know and probably
09:53never will know but when he was deployed my mother was god she had to be the head of the household she
10:00had to be the disciplinarian but she also used my mom so she had this loving caring nurture side of that
10:07in 1994 steven retires from the marines after settling his family in florida he devotes his time
10:14to the classroom training high school students through rotc but by 2001 retirement leads him to
10:21an unexpected new passion when he retired from the military after 23 years he became a lighthouse keeper
10:28and pam would go and help him there my parents were married for 47 years and they just gave me the
10:37best example of what it means to truly love someone else you know the selflessness you know what i mean
10:44the sacrifices for each other and and you could see that
10:47and now i have a police officer telling me that my father shot my mother i was pissed i was angry i was
10:59trying to push back that cop to go in the back to find out what was going on and my wife is standing to
11:07my to my right and she sees my dad being escorted in handcuffs i didn't see him had i saw him that night
11:17i would have probably been in jail myself i would have went after my father i was i was enraged you know
11:24because i was just told that he killed my mother come to find out like we saw later that just wasn't
11:34clear-cut as it as it should be no other family member said that pam crosby wanted to commit suicide
11:46pam wanting to die was perhaps a creation in stephen crosby's mind it got to the point where i
11:54couldn't take any more
12:03matthew crespi and his two siblings are looking for answers after learning their father stephen
12:14is responsible for the death of their mother pam
12:18my sister she she arrived at the facility my brother didn't come until later we were just kind
12:24of in shock we didn't really understand what was going on
12:28within a couple of hours of the crime stephen crosby is taken to the boyton beach police department
12:36where he's interrogated are you heard in any way
12:43when they asked stephen crosby if he was hurting he said it was his heart and that really will get you
12:50because here's a person who by all accounts loves his wife dearly police meanwhile who are sympathetic to
12:57him are still trying to drill down whether this was the crime out of compassion for his wife or a
13:02crime of convenience i just did a lot of thinking my wife has been saying to me lately she knew that
13:09there was something wrong with her she didn't know what and every time i would try to explain to her
13:16she couldn't comprehend it she has alzheimer's disease but she said that she didn't know anything
13:21anymore she can't do what other people can do i always told her that that was okay
13:27so i told her about that and then she said she wanted to kill herself
13:33she wanted to be crucified and that's what she said today she's been saying that for four months now
13:41stephen told the detective that pam started forgetting things and getting agitated about four
13:46years earlier the simplest tasks were just overwhelming to her things became most pronounced
13:53in 2012 she started to withdraw she worked at the clerk of courts and she just said she couldn't stand
14:00to go to work anymore she noticed she was having issues at work with the numbers and i just thought
14:08that was kind of odd because numbers were always her thing she said life is just no fun anymore
14:16it did a cerebral spinal fluid analysis and as the test came back it was what you really didn't want it
14:25to be a diagnosis for she had been diagnosed with early onset alzheimer's at like age 59 which is
14:31really really rare a lot of things rapidly that she loved to do she could no longer do anymore
14:40she could brush her own teeth but i had to remind her
14:47she could eat on her own but i had to remind her
14:49this is the strongest woman i know
15:03and in this moment she's you know reduced to a child
15:06there were times when it became sometimes combative and even violent it was like two o'clock in the
15:17morning she sprung up out of bed again and she said to me get the up and she grabbed me by by the
15:24shirt to pammy got to stop pammy got to stop and then she started striking me sometimes she was very
15:31aware and she knew what was going on and then other times she completely had no control and i
15:36think that must have been terrifying despite moments of clarity pam's violent outbursts and
15:42refusal to come to terms with her condition leave her family struggling to get her the help she needs
15:48she wouldn't go to the doctors like she was supposed to and she wouldn't let me help her
15:55every time i would do something to try to get her more help she would get very very agitated
16:05this is not the pam cruspe they all knew this was someone in the body of pam cruspe who mentally was
16:12someone entirely different they got to a point in 2016 where they made a decision as a family to go
16:20ahead put her in a memory care facility but she absolutely hated being in that facility there were
16:27times she thought she was working at the assisted living that she was there to help people because
16:31she just didn't understand she was one of the patients did you leave your house today saying this
16:35may be the day that this is going to happen okay so you left your house there thinking if she asked me
16:40to do this you're going to do it yes stephen walks investigators through the moments leading up to
16:46shooting his wife i took her out for coffee after she ate dinner there it was early evening they went at
16:55a coffee and then he drove her back to the facility in the parking lot she goes do we have to go back
17:02there and i was like well yes we do the closer we got the more unhappy she would get incessantly with
17:10i'm going to kill myself i want you to kill me i mean the anguish that she was was going through
17:17just unbelievable it was a horror story went out and started walking around with her the whole time
17:25she's pretty much begging him like if you loved me you would do this just was getting more and more
17:29and more desperate she said i feel like i'm trapped here i'm never going to be able to get out
17:35this is not how i want to live the rest of my life she kept you know going on and on and on and
17:42just got to the point where i couldn't take it anymore stephen krespi a marine kept a gun in his car
17:50you leave her outside and then go to your car to get a gun yes
17:53she was looking me dead in the eyes okay did she say anything yes what did she say she said i want
18:02you to kill me how far away from her were you i went in close yes yeah i thought maybe if i took it
18:12out that she would maybe say don't do this he stood really close almost close enough he could have kissed
18:18her and he held the gun against her chest according to stephen she seemed to be encouraged by seeing
18:24the gun and wanted to die
18:41in an interview room in boyton beach florida stephen krespi gives a harrowing account of how he helped
18:47his wife pam end her life she just stood there and it was like i i want to die i want you to kill me
18:55and i couldn't take it anymore she was so broken hearted and the gun went off
19:04a bullet went through her heart what point of the body did you shoot him in
19:09the sternum i knew that it was a fatal shot and i was like what the have i done
19:17her eyes are open and she was looking at me but it it was it was like finally he explained that when
19:25he looked at her face all he saw was relief i was willing to sacrifice anything i had to sacrifice
19:31to get her where she wanted to be he put the onus on her that this was a killing because the victim
19:39wanted it he was adamant that it was an assisted suicide not murder he said he did it for compassionate
19:47reasons but even though stephen said that pam wanted to die in this situation he said that he did
19:54it he's the one who pulled the trigger the state of florida does not have mercy killing if you take
19:59someone's life regardless of the reason you give us it is still murder at the end of the interview
20:05he's arrested he's taken into custody and charged with murder as per normal practice law enforcement
20:12did a dna swab not only of crosby but also of the gun stephen told law enforcement that he had thought
20:20about doing this before so this showed premeditation and that's first degree murder according to the state
20:27of florida that makes you not only eligible for life in prison but the death penalty
20:36steven cruspe made it clear from the outset that he was not guilty of murder and that the reality was
20:43that pam wanted to die she had been asking steve for a long time to help her with that he was hoping
20:53that she would change her mind but he also understood that by having the gun that it made it possible for
21:03for this to happen his only objective and only wish was to see this charge reflect the truthfulness of
21:12what occurred as steven remains in jail insisting it was a mercy killing detectives look to the three
21:19crispy children who struggle to comprehend their father's claims as they speak to police all the
21:25kids were in shock um they were kind of in disbelief that this had happened and they were disappointed
21:31that their dad hadn't talked to them or asked for help or let them know how bad it was i believe he
21:36murdered my mother i do not want to talk to you i have nothing to say to you at all
21:43andrew steven's oldest son and stephanie his daughter also thought he was a murderer basically
21:51that they had he'd taken the easy way and murdered their mom my father's having some difficulty with
21:58processing my mom's condition i don't know what's been said about other children we did everything
22:05that we possibly could for him he never saw it coming they started telling the cops that he was
22:12overwhelmed by trying to take care of pam and he wasn't asking for help and he could have asked for help
22:18we provided that man with every resource every option of help we couldn't have given him any more
22:27things to make him be okay they said that he was one of these people who had such hubris about being able to
22:34take care of everything and fix it that he was just going to take matters into his own hands
22:41one key detail steven gave police is firmly rejected by his children no other family member
22:48said that pam crosby wanted to commit suicide i knew she was declining but she had very lucid moments
22:56with us she would never flat out say i want to kill myself i want to die
23:03also pam crosby was very religious she converted to catholicism and so suicide would be a real no-no
23:11in the catholic church if you take your own life you're you know eternally damned and that's why
23:17her family and others thought that the whole wanting to die was perhaps a creation in stephen
23:24crosby's mind on april 10th less than a month after pam crosby was shot and killed her husband stephen appears
23:34in court for his arraignment we announced that we were seeking first-degree murder charges we also said
23:40that we would not be seeking the death penalty as prosecutors were human beings too and were
23:46sympathetic to the fact that he was a caregiver and he loved his wife but in the end you can't go
23:52around playing god steven pled not guilty and said that this was not premeditated murder steven and pam's
24:03youngest son matthew finds that as time passes following pam's death he begins to see more of his
24:10father's side it took me about a month and a half after the incident took place i had gotten over my anger
24:18and i just started to process you know what was my mom going through what was my dad going through
24:24do i agree with of what he did no absolutely not of course i didn't agree with him but i understood why
24:33my dad's fix her if something's wrong he's gonna figure out why and and fix it and the one thing he
24:46couldn't do and would have never been able to do is fix my mother
24:55i didn't know a lot of what my dad was going through at this time a little bit of me feels guilty
25:11i was there for my mother but i was not involved in a lot of her care i could have been there maybe a
25:19little more if my mom was truly aware of what was going on and i believe she was my mom you didn't
25:30want to live like this and i think they both had a hand in it this change of heart is welcomed by
25:39steven's defense team who are gearing up for an arduous battle as we started defending the case it was
25:47clear that the police felt it was an open and shut case as a result of that they didn't examine and
25:54evaluate everything that should have been and there were glaring questions that we needed to get answers
26:00to the big question was was there reason to suspect that this was possibly a suicide as opposed to a
26:09homicide and was there more investigation that needed to be done
26:15to uncover the truth
26:30accused of killing his wife pam steven crespi watches from jail as his case stalls for months
26:38then years because it's a homicide these court cases take a very long time and the fact that
26:46covid happened delayed the process even longer so he was in jail in prison waiting trial for quite a bit
26:53of time while both sides wait for their day in court the crespi siblings work on finding common ground
27:00despite their differences me and my brother and sister for about two three years after the incident
27:07we still had a good standing good relationship i i still at this point supported my dad they they
27:12supported my mom's side but we still talked because we made an agreement we said hey let's not let this
27:19destroy us because it really doesn't involve us so let's let the courts handle this and let's not let this
27:27ruin our relationship three years pass until in 2020 the family prepares to meet in court again for a bond
27:36hearing in florida the court has discretion to grant bond we took a considerable amount of time to
27:46build a defense case to say that he should get a bond so that he can be at home and we can finish
27:53preparing the case we had witnesses from all walks of life military people that knew him in his personal
28:03life and family matthew who had prepared a bedroom for him and a place to stay everything was fine a week
28:12or two before my dad's bond hearing that was the moment things and people shifted i get a call from my
28:20brother what do you know about this bond hearing what about the bond hearing did you know about it
28:26yes i did why didn't you tell any of us i thought we made an agreement to let the courts handle the
28:32courts and he was like yeah but this is a little more serious are you thinking about taking them in and
28:37i was like yeah if it goes down and then we three weighed my sister in and it just got more and more and
28:43more and you know they said some things i can't believe you're you know you would take in a murderer
28:47the tensions between the family come to a head on the day of the hearing about six months after
28:55covid shut everything down he finally got a bond hearing in september of 2020 and everybody in the
29:01court were masked all three siblings testify at the bond hearing matthew for the defense and andrew and
29:08stephanie on the side of the prosecution this was a split family and this was something that
29:15really weighed on those who loved pam crosby can you teleport how you relate to the defendant who's
29:22my father stephanie basically told the judge that she didn't trust her dad they claim that this was
29:28an accident is absolutely false there was no way after what he had done with the mom that she could
29:34believe in him he had sacrificed their trust when the building got taught he chose to take things in
29:40his own hands and made it go away my brother and sister they called him narcissistic they called
29:47him controlling unstable or irrational in murdering someone it's his way of showing love that i would
29:53hate to know what he could do to other loved ones if he's let out into the real world they feared for
29:59their lives they thought my dad would come and hunt them down that happens at all for better or for
30:05worse in sickness and in health is not demonstrated by falling to the chest
30:12they both painted a view i never knew they had of my father but two one that doesn't exist of my
30:17father stephen's oldest son andrew was on zoom for the bond hearing as well and he was vehement that
30:23he just stay in jail my father should have sent me something to the effect of i wish i could just put it
30:29a round in her chest and then this or to put her out of her misery and i thought that he was
30:33exaggerating and speaking out of frustration regarding the situation until he wasn't when andrew
30:42appeared remotely at the bond hearing and said i heard my dad say that he wanted to put a round in her
30:50chest it's really damning not only because it shows premeditation but it also shows that stephen
30:55cruspey allegedly had this intention before things got even worse that he was thinking about it at
31:02least a year in advance my dad was hurt for a while because of my brother and sister and the things they
31:10said during that bond hearing he still loves them he still cares for them don't think that he doesn't
31:16but he's hurt because the words don't line up with how we were raised with what took place he feels
31:23abandoned by them when the judge announced her ruling she denied bond saying the evidence of
31:31premeditated murder was too strong to release him he was being put on trial for murder what's to say
31:39he wouldn't try to kill himself or others especially because he seemingly had some sort of messiah complex
31:44where he believed in killing other people for their own benefit we were there to do justice for pan
31:51this was an unjustified killing a homicide that needed to be punished appropriately and we were not going to stop
32:05after a contentious bond hearing stephen cruspe is denied bond and sent back to prison to await trial for the murder of his wife pam
32:25stephen went back to jail and our focus turned on finding the best experts in crime scene reconstruction
32:34and dna analysis all with the objective to prove that this was an assisted suicide and not a murder
32:44the defense enlists forensics expert tiffany roy to aid their case they ask her to go back over the
32:50evidence collected at the time of the incident first thing i do in every case when i get the case file
32:56notes is to check for human error because human people do this work and they make mistakes
33:02as we're going through this process we found out that pamela's hands should have been tested for gunshot
33:10residue and were not back at the time this was such an open and shut case that the medical examiner
33:17had no evidence of gsr gunshot residue this is missing this data would be important the presence
33:23or absence of gunshot residue on someone's hands might be telling if gunshot residue testing had been
33:29done as it should have been it could have shown that pam assisted in the suicide seeing this discrepancy
33:39the defense strategy is to turn the state's evidence against them in an effort to show that not enough
33:44was done to rule out suicide as the cause of pam's death starting with the dna dna was important in
33:51this case because they tested the murder weapon which was a gun that was owned by mr crosby and drew
33:56conclusions that mr crosby's dna was on his own firearm but the tools that were being used at the crime lab
34:03can only examine certain parts and pieces of the profile so there were things that were being missed
34:10and so we needed a higher powered tool to examine that information
34:17tiffany helped us do additional testing on samples that law enforcement have
34:25there were several samples after they were examined that showed dna
34:28traits that were similar to mrs crosby on the firearm
34:33the area where mrs crosby's dna was most present was the grip and that made it a very real possibility
34:39that she could have handled that weapon this was huge because her contact with the gun suggests
34:46that in fact she was involved in the discharging of the weapon but can the presence of her dna alone
34:55prove assisted suicide we could argue as prosecutors that she did not want to die she was trying to push
35:01the gun away we knew the prosecutor would attempt to show a pushing away of the gun so we hired an expert
35:09on firearms forensic reconstruction of shootings and he reconstructed the shooting to see whether or not
35:20the wound to the shirt and the dna on the gun were consistent with showing that pam embraced and pulled the gun
35:31toward her this showed that steve did not act alone and that pam very likely assisted in her own death
35:41this stunning evidence suggests pamela may have assisted in the shooting that night
35:46steven never mentioned this detail to anyone including his own defense attorney i think the reason
35:52he didn't mention the specific act of pulling the gun toward her at the time was that the investigators
36:01never asked for the specifics in terms of how it happened he said he shot his wife that was
36:08uncontested however they never asked what pam did or what role she may have played and so by not asking the
36:17questions the investigation never got into that part of the case i also think that often under periods of
36:24stress people sometimes don't remember everything exactly as it happens and they oftentimes will fill in gaps
36:35or missing information with information that's most detrimental to themselves and because of her
36:44faith as a strong catholic on some level he believed that by not talking about that he was protecting her in a
36:51sense the defense informs steven's son matthew of their findings which forces him to reconsider his
36:58mother's final moments there's no other way that my mom's dna could have got on there unless she was
37:03holding that gun after the dna evidence what i believe happened is yes my father went to the car and got the gun
37:15yes my father presented it to my mother at which point um my mother
37:24i still
37:31i still battle with this like
37:35i believe my mom took her own life and my father did give her the gun and when
37:44when she shot herself um just all the guilt of it came back to my father
37:50so i do believe my dad had a portion in it i don't think he solely pulled the trigger
37:56himself i think the ultimate decision to take my mother's life was my mother's
38:05faced with the defense's new evidence of assisted suicide the state's attorney needs to rethink their
38:10approach this was a game changer because we were all set to pursue murder charges and when you're
38:16a prosecutor you have to prove cases beyond a reasonable doubt the fact that we now had some
38:22doubt meant that the jury certainly would
38:24what seemed like a straightforward murder case against stephen krespi takes a turn when forensic
38:46evidence gives the defense room to argue it was a mercy killing the defense paid a lot of money for an
38:53expert who then revealed that pam's dna was found on the grip of the gun and that's why we decided
39:02to enter into conversations about lowering the charge in florida is a rarely used statute of
39:09manslaughter by assisted suicide so we met the evidence where it was and told the defense that
39:17we'd be willing to enter into agreement where the defendant would plead guilty to manslaughter by
39:23assisted suicide and would leave it up to the judge to do the sentencing when stephen learned of the
39:30offer he was relieved he felt that finally after six years we were getting an offer that was consistent
39:40with the truth and at that time he pled guilty to manslaughter by assisted suicide
39:46in august 2023 steven finally gets to go back to court for sentencing
39:55with no priors he was eligible for a sentence of between 10 and 30 years
40:03our case was reinforced by the fact that the family members at least almost all of them were on our side
40:08they were the ones who wanted stephen krespi to go to prison as long as possible they clearly did not
40:14like him they hated what he did they did not forgive him and they wanted the maximum penalty during
40:19sentencing my brother and sister gave victim impact statements i i a lot of stuff they said to me was just
40:28vindictive if you viewed my father that way then why would you even be around him
40:38their words and their actions didn't line up to me and i didn't understand that
40:44what struck me was when stephen krespi voluntarily chose to give a statement
40:51at sentencing and i was a bit surprised at how defiant and angry he was
40:55if he finally gets to speak in court he basically says where was everybody helping me
41:01the judge she was not unsympathetic to stephen krespi she understood where he was coming from
41:08if the family wasn't so adamant if stephanie and andrew didn't feel the way they did then this would
41:13have been probably treated differently in the end she decided to go for 20 years
41:19when they came back with 20 i was just at a loss for words it's a life sentence for my father he's old
41:33in his mind he's someone who gave his life in exchange for hers he's not going to be able to
41:40be buried at arlington national cemetery his family is permanently divided my dad is currently 72
41:50i still go um visit him i talk to him at least once a week on the phone
41:55my dad has not spoken to anybody uh my brother or sister since the incident
42:00i have no plans to ever speak with my brother or sister again
42:03i miss my mom a lot
42:15she raised me she was my best friend
42:17no matter what i was going through whenever my mother smiled i knew it was okay or it would be all right
42:30i just want to see her smile one more time
42:44yeah
43:00so
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