Killer Grannies - Season 1 Episode 03- Granny's Addiction
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00:00Sweet, loving, the ones you trust most.
00:04Lois Reese, Midwestern grandmother to five kids, seemed no different.
00:10But what if this granny wasn't trustworthy at all?
00:13What if behind that smile was not just a con artist, but a killer?
00:21A 911 call came into the Lee County Sheriff's Office from Marina Village at Snug Harbor.
00:26An innocent woman is found murdered while on vacation in Florida.
00:32The girl I know there said, my God, Barb, didn't you know Pam was murdered?
00:36It just made me sick.
00:38The victim is captured on camera with a suspect that looks just like her.
00:43It showed her with like a female companion or a female friend.
00:48They're walking through the parking lot together, going up the elevator,
00:52walking down the hallway into the unit together.
00:54And from that point forward, I never saw the victim on surveillance footage again.
01:03I never would have thought that this is who my suspect was in this case.
01:07We believe that she was on the run.
01:10Our grandmas are the people that you can go to and be comforted when bad things happen.
01:16She was bad for her grandchildren.
01:20Her grandchildren and my children were the same age, and we took them everywhere together.
01:24You would never in a million years think that she could commit a crime like that.
01:29My biggest fear was, I don't want her to do this again.
01:32I don't want her to do this again.
01:51Lee County investigators rushed to the condo complex to respond to the incident.
02:08Initially, when I made entrance into the unit, I did smell something that was foul.
02:13I also noticed that the air in the unit was turned down, like it was cold in there.
02:19I noticed then at the door that separates the bedroom from the master bathroom was closed,
02:26but at the base of the door, there appeared to be towels jammed at the bottom of it.
02:31That may be to keep a smell in or out or to muffle the sound of something.
02:35And once we go in, we find that that's where the body was.
02:45The decedent was on the floor, feet towards the door.
02:49A towel was draped over the decedent's arms and head area.
02:54We were unable to see any wounds on her.
02:57It was hard to see if there was any kind of struggle.
02:59I was still up in the air with it.
03:02When the medical examiner arrives, they start lifting the sheets and towels off.
03:07You could tell that it was a female.
03:09There was a pillow near the body with what appears to be a gunshot hole through it.
03:15There's some soot on the outside of it.
03:17That was possibly used to muffle the sound of a gun being shot at close range.
03:23The female was older.
03:25I would say 60s.
03:27We saw a probable bullet wound.
03:31We then realized that it turned into a full-blown homicide that she had been killed.
03:38At that point, we did not locate a weapon.
03:42There was no indication of a struggle.
03:44There was no defensive marks, as far as we could tell, on the decedent.
03:48It looked as if she had just been taken by surprise.
03:53Marina Village at Snug Harbor is the apartment and condo complex.
03:57It's used as timeshare, so it does kind of have a transient occupancy a little bit.
04:03We got the name from the complainant of, hey, this lady is the one who checked in.
04:09We checked her driver's license.
04:11She had checked in as Pamela Hutchinson.
04:13But no one felt comfortable enough at that time, at least, to make a positive identification
04:19because of the decount to the face and the bloating and everything.
04:24I knew I had another female.
04:25She was supposedly there by herself.
04:28I'm thinking to myself, maybe someone followed her home, tried to rob her.
04:32It turned bad.
04:33I just didn't know at that point.
04:35With their investigation stretching through the night,
04:39detectives hope an autopsy can give them some new information.
04:43They decide to wait to tell the family until they can be sure that the body is Pam Hutchinson.
04:51It was a small caliber round that killed our victim, possibly a .22 caliber.
04:57We were able to identify her through dental records.
05:01The victim in the bathroom was identified as Pamela Hutchinson.
05:06So we start making phone calls to next of kin.
05:09I was at a local bar restaurant when Pam's cousin-in-law called me to inform me that Pam had been murdered.
05:26I was devastated.
05:28I mean, you hear about things like that happening every day to somebody else,
05:36but you don't think that can ever happen to somebody you know.
05:39I live in Bradenton, Florida, and I met Pam Hutchinson in late 2015.
05:52She was somebody that would strike up a conversation with anybody.
05:58Pam kind of had that southern hospitality.
06:01She was raised down south, and her family used to have a peanut stand where they'd sell peanuts along the road.
06:13She was from Virginia Beach.
06:18Her father died when she was really young, but she was really close to her mother.
06:23Then the mother passed away not too long before she came down here seeking a new life after she broke up with her husband.
06:32While I was searching for a place to purchase, I ran into Pam, and she said,
06:39why don't you move in with me for a while?
06:41From the start, we just clicked.
06:43We liked the same things.
06:44We liked to bake.
06:45We both believed in God.
06:47We both jabbered a lot.
06:51The detectives reach out to Pam's family and friends to pick up the details about Pam's trip to Fort Myers Beach.
07:00So I was living with Pam.
07:03At the time, she decided that she was going to go to Sanibel Island at Fort Myers Beach.
07:08She had come down to the area to be with a friend whose husband had passed,
07:13and they were going to scatter his ashes on Sanibel Island, which is an island in the area.
07:20We did text when she arrived at Fort Myers Beach.
07:23Yeah, I made it.
07:24Okay, good.
07:25Go.
07:25Have a good time.
07:27Just relax.
07:29Life is short.
07:31And then I didn't hear from her after that.
07:40I owned a timeshare at Marina Village for many years.
07:45So I called Marina Village at Snug Harbor, and I said, what's going on?
07:49The girl I know there said, my God, Barb, didn't you know Pam was murdered?
07:55And I'm just like, what?
07:59It just made me sick.
08:01I never recalled Pam having any enemies that would ever consider doing her harm.
08:15She was actually what I considered my best friend at the time.
08:19Word of Pam's death gets around fast, but her poor family doesn't have any idea who might have done it.
08:38The Fort Myers detectives keep digging, hoping they can find anything that'll point to who's behind this awful crime.
08:47The Lee County Sheriff's Office knew that Pam had come down on vacation to help a friend of hers whose husband had just died shortly before.
08:55At that point, they didn't really have a suspect.
09:00They started to look at the surveillance videos to try and see who maybe had been with Pamela at that point.
09:06When we were collecting all the evidence in the unit, we found a receipt for the Smokin' Oyster Brewery.
09:12It had a date and time stamp on it.
09:15We sent detectives to the restaurant, and they collected the video for that time stamp.
09:21We also made contact with the complainant from Marina Village at Snug Harbor and asked to review her surveillance footage.
09:28We were starting to go back to the day that our victim arrived, and watching her come in, we see what kind of car she was driving, a white Acura four-door vehicle.
09:46Barely made it by the bell.
09:50Pamela Hudson, too.
09:51How are you today?
09:52Good.
09:53How many people do you want?
09:55This is me.
09:57This is me.
09:58The footage shows that Pam is alone at the condo from April 3rd to April 5th.
10:06But what about after that?
10:08Detectives decide to take a gander at the footage they collected from April 6th at the Smokin' Oyster Brewery.
10:16And that's where we see footage of our victim, but it also showed her with, like, a female companion or a female friend.
10:24The female who was very talkative, very jovial, like, easy to get along with.
10:30She was talking to everybody that got close to her.
10:33So, after finishing their meal at Smokin' Oyster Brewery, they both left the area together.
10:40So, did Pam go back to her condo with her new friend?
10:46The investigators checked the footage from the complex to find out.
10:50About an hour after both of them were seen walking to the room together.
10:57They're walking through the parking lot together, going up the elevator, walking down the hallway into the unit together.
11:04A short time later, the female, which she entered with, came out kind of looking distraught.
11:13So, it was concerning at that point.
11:16It looked as if she was almost talking to herself.
11:19She was walking around.
11:20She was leaning over.
11:22Again, it looked like she was upset emotionally.
11:25And from that point forward, I never saw the victim on surveillance footage again.
11:29At that point, then, we knew who we were looking for.
11:34A white female, I would guesstimate between 50, 60 years of age.
11:38I was surprised.
11:40I'm thinking, wow, this reminds me of my grandma.
11:47Her facade was probably of an innocent lady.
11:51You can tell something was changing in her.
11:55She had a love for the casinos, a love for gambling.
11:57It has become this odd crime spree of the most unassuming-looking grandmother.
12:06I was concerned about her trying to go to Mexico.
12:10I was like, this is a problem.
12:11When poor Pam Hutchinson is discovered shot to death in her Fort Myers rental, investigators
12:27sift through hours and hours of footage, looking for one unusual suspect in particular.
12:32I never would have thought that this is who my suspect was in this case.
12:37She had blonde hair.
12:39She wasn't very tall, maybe 5'5", 5'6".
12:42And those, again, are characteristics that were somewhat similar to our victim.
12:48At that point, I wasn't sure if it was a friend.
12:51But to me, it appeared as if she had just met this person.
12:56It was my belief that the homicide probably had occurred on April 5th, just before we saw
13:03the suspect exit the room and appear distraught.
13:07On surveillance footage, on April 6th, 2018, I no longer see our victim coming and going.
13:15I only see our suspect coming and going from the victim's room.
13:19It appeared as if she took a lot of evidence from the unit itself.
13:23She was also adorning herself in the victim's clothing, specifically a hat, I remember, and sunglasses.
13:30And it was almost as if she was assuming her identity.
13:36And we see her driving away in our victim's car at this point.
13:41Once we saw her leave with the victim's vehicle and we no longer had her on any surveillance footage,
13:48we believed that she was on the run.
13:50She had a head start from us.
13:53From the time we last saw the suspect on surveillance to the time of the 911 call was about four days.
14:01We got to figure out where she's at.
14:04We start looking for our victim's car.
14:06We're putting license plates into our license plate reader system, flagging them as a homicide suspect.
14:14At that point, we knew of no witnesses.
14:16We did an extensive canvas of everyone that was in the building.
14:21Some had already come and gone.
14:22Again, this is spring break.
14:24But there's no obvious way that Pam and the gray-haired mystery lady would know each other.
14:34The only clue the guys have to work with are the two cars caught on tape at the crime scene.
14:41Pam's Acura and the other lady's Escalade.
14:44They check recent police reports to see if anything comes up.
14:49Before we found the body, our units on the beach were provided information to be on the lookout for Lois Reese from Minnesota
14:56because they believed that she had been in the area in her white Escalade.
15:01Lois Reese had a warrant for her arrest out of Blooming Prairie, Minnesota, in reference to a fraud case.
15:07Now, there's an aha moment.
15:11Their suspect was in a white Escalade, too.
15:14Could it be the same one Lois Reese was driving?
15:18It was just, let me just take a chance.
15:21Let me just see.
15:23I called the local jurisdiction up in Minnesota, but this one just kind of took me by surprise.
15:29They had a murder investigation on going there.
15:33Lois Reese was a person of interest at the time.
15:36They didn't have charges on her for murder, but her husband, David Reese, was killed.
15:41So they were looking for her.
15:43The Dodge County Sheriff's Office had mentioned that they had secured an arrest warrant for her
15:47because she withdrew approximately $11,000 from David Reese's bank account after she had fled the area.
15:54Even though the police in Minnesota figured that Lois Reese had flipped from kindly grandmother to husband killer,
16:01they could only get a warrant for the money she stole from his account.
16:06I asked them for a photo of the person of interest that they had up in Minnesota.
16:10And I took that photo, I printed it off, and as I'm watching the surveillance footage,
16:15I put it right up next to the screen, and I paused it, and I said, that's her.
16:23I spoke specifically and directly with the detectives involved with the murder investigation
16:28and the grand theft investigation, and they relayed the scene that they encountered in that area.
16:34They told me they received a call to do a welfare check on David Reese.
16:47Dave's employees had not seen him for almost two weeks,
16:51and Lois had been telling them that he was ill.
16:54On the 22nd, they saw Lois driving out in Dave's white Escalade.
17:03The employees said, something's up.
17:06So they called the local police to come and do a welfare check.
17:10Blooming Prairie police went to the house, knocked, couldn't get anybody,
17:17walked around, found an open window in the back,
17:20which is unusual because it's March in Minnesota.
17:24And they saw a body through the window that was open.
17:30They were able to make entry, get inside the house,
17:33made their way to the master bath,
17:35and the door was closed, things up against the door.
17:41They found who they believed to be David Reese in the bathroom.
17:46It did not look like the body had moved.
17:49It looked like Dave laid where he fell after he got shot twice,
17:53again covered with a towel.
17:56According to the Dodge County Sheriff's Office,
17:59David had been dead for at least a few days.
18:02And at that point, Lois was nowhere to be found.
18:05It sounded very similar to what I had found in the unit down here.
18:14The victim up in Minnesota was killed in the bathroom.
18:18It appeared to be a small caliber round.
18:20And then also a towel was draped over the decedent up in Minnesota,
18:24same as down here.
18:26The bathroom window was open to, again, let in cold air,
18:30again similar to Lois dropping the air in the unit.
18:34She turned the air down, tried to keep the smell out.
18:38I was shocked.
18:39I would have never just thought walking down the street,
18:42oh, that lady's responsible for the deaths of two people.
18:45Everything we put out at that point was,
18:48she's wanted and she's considered armed and dangerous.
18:51We needed to find her as soon as possible
18:54because my biggest fear was, I don't want her to do this again.
19:06Investigators in Florida find out that their suspect, Lois Reese,
19:10likely shot her poor husband in Minnesota
19:13two weeks before she did the same thing to Pam Hutchinson.
19:17They put the word out all over the state
19:19to be on the lookout for Lois
19:21and then pry into her past
19:24to see if they can figure out why she did it.
19:29Lois and Dave moved to Blooming Prairie
19:31about 2005 or 2006, somewhere in there.
19:35Dave and Lois were really a friendly couple.
19:38Everybody loved to hang out with them and laugh with them.
19:40Lois was born and raised in Rochester, Minnesota.
19:46Dave also grew up in Rochester.
19:50Lois dropped out of high school as a junior
19:51and was already dating Dave.
19:54They got married and had three children very quickly.
20:00Lois, she just had this instant draw.
20:04She was just super fun, very sweet, great laugh,
20:09and just makes you feel very comfortable.
20:12Lois, for many years, while her children were young especially,
20:16had a daycare in her home.
20:18If you went to Lois' daycare, you were privileged.
20:22Like, she, everybody wanted Lois to watch her kids.
20:25She was phenomenal.
20:26She was a good mom and a good grandmother
20:30and did the things that good moms and grandmas are supposed to do.
20:35Our grandmas are the people that you can go to
20:39and be comforted when bad things happen.
20:42Lois was bad for her grandchildren.
20:45Her grandchildren and my children were the same age,
20:48and we took them everywhere together,
20:51bringing them to, like, the zoo and the beach
20:54and just doing lots of fun stuff.
20:57She's just, like, the sweetest little grandma.
21:02Dave was a jolly, fun guy.
21:06If you were in a bad mood, sit by Dave,
21:08because he'd have you laughing in a minute.
21:09He had this infectious, deep laugh.
21:13Always told jokes.
21:14Loved to talk about fishing.
21:16That was his favorite thing to do.
21:19Dave ran a waxworm business,
21:22so he actually grew waxworms from nothing,
21:26and they would sell them at fisheries, bait shops,
21:29stuff like that.
21:31Lois seemed very happy.
21:33So did Dave.
21:36Never would have guessed there was, like,
21:38deeper problems involved.
21:39I think it wasn't until later on in the years
21:46where you can tell something was changing in her.
21:50Everyone knew that Lois and Dave liked to go to the casino,
21:54especially Lois.
21:57It was something that a lot of the Blooming Prairie people
22:00their age did on the weekends.
22:03Later on, when she would call me and be like,
22:08hey, can I use you for an excuse?
22:10I'm going to the casino, and I don't want Dave to know.
22:14That's when I kind of realized that maybe
22:17it was getting a little too much.
22:20She had confided a couple times, just exhausted.
22:25And I said to her, I'm like, you're going to snap.
22:31I panicked because then we find out Dave's dead,
22:35and Lois is nowhere to be found.
22:38She's not answering my phone calls,
22:39not texting me back.
22:41So then I'm like, oh, my gosh,
22:43did something happen to her?
22:44Was she kidnapped?
22:45Was she murdered and taken away?
22:47Like, I had no idea.
22:54Two weeks later, Lois has managed to avoid Minnesota police
22:59for killing her husband,
23:00and Florida police for killing Penn.
23:03And the cops realized that she could already be days
23:07and miles ahead of them.
23:09So while they look for her,
23:10they try to figure out what she was up to
23:13right before she killed Penn.
23:16So prior to the homicide,
23:18we had learned that Lois Reese
23:20was spotted on Fort Myers Beach
23:22by Tess Coster, a part-time resident of Florida.
23:26We were part-time here and part-time in Minnesota.
23:31Tess was from Blooming Prairie,
23:33and so she was aware of the murder investigation
23:35that was happening up in that area at the time
23:38and knew about Lois Reese
23:40and what she may be wanted for.
23:49On April 2nd, I was cleaning my garage.
23:53Then I saw this pearl-colored Cadillac Escalade
23:56pull up in our driveway,
23:58and someone got out, looked at the house number,
24:01and so I stepped out of the garage and said,
24:03can I help you?
24:04And she looked up, and just shock was in her eyes,
24:07and she said, wrong house, wrong house,
24:09and looked down like this and shook her head
24:11and went around to her Escalade
24:14and got in and drove away.
24:18Well, my heart just started pounding
24:20because here was Lois Reese in my driveway.
24:26When she saw the person
24:28who she believed to be Lois in the driveway,
24:30it scared her,
24:31and she wanted to make, you know,
24:33the sheriff's office aware down here,
24:35which she did,
24:36but unfortunately,
24:37she was able to stay hidden from us.
24:40A few days later,
24:42Lois Reese killed our victim.
24:46I'm thinking she was after me first.
24:48She got fouled out because I saw her
24:51and called 911 on her.
24:53She had a plan in mind,
24:54but Tess interrupted that,
24:56and so instead of moving forward at that point,
24:59she just took a step back
25:01and went another way.
25:03The detectives figured that Lois switched gears
25:06and decided that someone like Pam
25:09wouldn't see her coming.
25:11Lois was clearly desperate,
25:14just definitely looking for more money
25:17and more options.
25:19In homicides that I've worked,
25:21everything has a reason,
25:23and this reason in my mind
25:25was to assume the identity of the victim
25:28and use it for what she could.
25:32I think she targeted her
25:33because they were similar.
25:36Someone like-minded,
25:37similar characteristics,
25:39skin color, hair, age.
25:42She's already committed two murders,
25:44and she's still in the wind.
25:48We did search warrants on her cell phone.
25:50We did search warrants
25:51on the financial information for Lois,
25:53but then also for our victim as well.
25:56She had made several withdrawals from ATMs
25:59using the victim's information
26:01a couple days after the murder.
26:05We also have her on video
26:06up in the Ocala area, central Florida,
26:09checking into a hotel
26:10under the identity of our victim,
26:12wearing the same hat
26:13that our victim had in her room.
26:15However, by the time I found this,
26:17Lois had already come and gone.
26:19We know we have you.
26:21We just got to find you,
26:23and you're assuming the identity
26:24of our victim.
26:31Double-murdering granny, Lois Reese,
26:34has a jump on Lee County cops,
26:37so they cast a wider net across the South
26:40to see if they can catch back up.
26:43Sure enough, another clue turns up.
26:45We had tracked her to a casino in Louisiana
26:52and found out that she hit a jackpot for $1,500.
26:57She actually used her own name and ID
26:59to claim the winnings.
27:02She did have a gambling addiction,
27:04and that may very well be a good reason
27:06as to why Lois used her own information
27:09to collect the winnings.
27:10She felt proud.
27:13It made me mad that she just seemed
27:16to be out there enjoying herself
27:18and just continuing to live her life,
27:21knowing that she had committed one murder
27:22in Florida
27:23and most likely another one in Minnesota.
27:28But Lois is slippery.
27:31She's long gone days before police get the alert,
27:34and they're once again left chasing her shadow.
27:37I was able to present the case
27:40to the state attorney's office
27:41and walked a warrant through for the murder,
27:45at which point then that went nationwide.
27:48We alerted everybody that we could,
27:51federal agencies, state law enforcement,
27:53local agencies,
27:55anywhere and everywhere that we think she may be going.
27:57We made them aware to be on the lookout
27:59for, one, Lois Reese herself,
28:01but then also the vehicle that she was driving.
28:03It became an all-points bullet
28:06on the cross of the United States.
28:08They put up bulletin boards
28:09around lots of different areas,
28:11Texas, Louisiana, Florida,
28:13with Pamela's picture and information on it.
28:16So it became more than just a Florida
28:18or a Minnesota story.
28:20It became a coast-to-coast story.
28:22Lois became known, very well known,
28:24as the killer grandma.
28:25With Lois' escape route now crossing state lines,
28:32the heat gets turned way up.
28:35The hunt for granny is now nationwide.
28:39People wanted answers,
28:40and people needed to know.
28:41I mean, she knew a lot of people in that town.
28:46Do you think she's around here?
28:47Do you think she might shoot anybody else?
28:49The whole entire community
28:52was completely shocked
28:54and very sad, very sad.
28:57Like I said, everybody loved Dave.
28:59Everybody loved Lois.
29:00So it was mad at Lois.
29:03It was sad about Dave.
29:04It was a very crazy dynamic
29:07that was going on there.
29:08I had to actually turn the TVs off
29:11and not let anyone turn them on
29:13because my sons were small,
29:15and Dave and Lois were grandma and grandpa to them.
29:19My thoughts on seeing Lois wearing Pam's clothes,
29:27I can't hardly comprehend it right now
29:31because it really bothers me.
29:34It's just so abusive.
29:38It's just a terrible reminder
29:40of what happened to Pam.
29:43I definitely wanted her caught.
29:46Please, God, get her before she kills another woman.
29:49Killer granny Lois is just leaving chaos in her wake.
29:55But the search stretches into another week
29:58without the cops catching up to her.
30:00However, they do catch the news
30:02that she's headed south.
30:05There were several other license plate reader hits
30:09along a route to Texas heading south.
30:12I had a thought that she would be trying to leave the country.
30:19Who knows where she's going next,
30:21but I think we know she could kill someone again
30:23because that's already happened twice.
30:26We were tracking Lois through license plate readers
30:29on the victim's car.
30:32Eventually, it came to South Padre Island.
30:37South Padre Island, Texas,
30:39very close to the border.
30:40On April 19th,
30:44we received information from the U.S. Marshals Service
30:47that she had went into a bar and restaurant
30:51called Dirty Owls
30:52and basically was looking at a menu.
30:54And the manager there actually recognized her
30:57and called in a tip to the local police department
30:59in a marshal's service.
31:02When the marshals got to South Padre,
31:05they canvassed the area
31:06and actually located the vehicle
31:07at a restaurant right adjacent to Dirty Owls.
31:12They got the marshals rallied and trooped up
31:15and Lois was by then sitting in the bar
31:19and yucking it up
31:21like she didn't have a care in the world.
31:23I was elated.
31:26She wasn't going to be able to keep this up forever.
31:32Cops have been looking everywhere
31:34for double-murdering grandma Lois Reese.
31:37But the U.S. Marshals finally catch up
31:40and she's just sitting there
31:42sipping a drink in South Padre,
31:44just a hop, skip and a jump from Mexico.
31:47This cadre of marshals moved in,
31:50four or five of them,
31:51and said,
31:53we're going to take you outside.
31:55Don't make a scene.
31:57There was no resistance from Lois
31:59and it was very interesting to me
32:01how just calm, cool, and collected she was.
32:04She didn't fight, she didn't resist,
32:05she didn't ask a bunch of questions.
32:08She got up off her chair
32:09and out they went.
32:13She almost just went willingly
32:15with the authorities.
32:17I think Lois knew that she was caught,
32:21that it was done.
32:23There was a bulletin
32:24over the Associated Press
32:25that she had been arrested.
32:29When I heard that they had caught her
32:32at South Padre Island,
32:33it was really a relief.
32:36It was like,
32:37this is one closure.
32:40They caught her.
32:41The grandma killer.
32:42Arrangements were made for us
32:47to fly out to South Padre Island.
32:49We knew we wanted to speak with her
32:51and we were hoping that she would speak with us.
32:55I remember her being led
32:57from the holding cell
32:58into the interview room
32:59and she kind of just looked right through me.
33:02And so instead of her being
33:05the outgoing, jovial person that we see,
33:07once she was caught,
33:09her whole demeanor changed.
33:11She was defeated almost.
33:13And without saying another word,
33:16she said she wanted an attorney.
33:20With Lois lawyered up,
33:21there's no way she's going to confess.
33:24So it's up to the cops
33:25to find some physical evidence
33:27that can tie this granny
33:29to the two murders.
33:30She had secured a hotel room
33:34at a Motel 6
33:35just down the street.
33:38According to hotel receipts,
33:40Lois checked in on April 9th.
33:43She lived a good life for 10 days
33:44before they caught up to her.
33:47We were able to secure search warrants
33:49for the motel room
33:50where she was staying at
33:51and we found two handguns,
33:53a 9mm and a .22 caliber.
33:56The .22 caliber specifically
33:58we believed to be the murder weapon.
34:02We found the victim's clothing
34:05and specifically the hat
34:07that was shown on surveillance footage
34:08of her wearing at the bank
34:10at the hotel
34:11after she had committed the murder.
34:14Also something of note
34:15was a black bag,
34:16kind of like a go bag.
34:18And inside there was latex gloves,
34:20there was duct tape,
34:22there was our victim's
34:23personal information,
34:25her wallet, driver's license.
34:28I think that Lois in her desperation
34:34because she was, I'm sure,
34:36getting antsy wanting to gamble
34:37with this addiction of hers,
34:39I think she knew that Pam had money.
34:43I think she killed Pamela
34:45to get another car
34:47and to get more money.
34:48And so she clearly
34:50had a bit of a pattern.
34:53So she gets to South Padre Island.
34:56She goes and finds herself
34:58a spot to sit
35:00and kind of blend in
35:02and start hunting.
35:04We did an extensive canvas
35:08and we spoke with numerous people
35:10that she came into contact with.
35:12We were able to confirm
35:14with a lot of witnesses.
35:16She was just having a great time
35:17hanging with people,
35:18having drinks at the bar,
35:20hanging out by the pool.
35:21She told some people
35:23that she was a grandmother,
35:24she had kids, grandkids,
35:25that she was a widow,
35:28that her husband died recently.
35:30Her facade was probably
35:32of an innocent lady.
35:33Anybody will talk to her.
35:38I came across a lady
35:40who said that she interacted
35:41often with Lois.
35:42They went to dinner together.
35:44She actually invited her
35:46at one point back
35:46to her own house.
35:49She had kind of befriended Lois.
35:52I remember specifically
35:53she had different color hair.
35:54But I also know that
35:56in the search warrant
35:57at the motel room,
35:58there was hair dye
35:59that we collected.
36:00It was a dark color,
36:02just like the witness out there.
36:04And she possibly thought
36:06that she might be
36:07her next victim.
36:11I do think she was planning
36:12on killing somebody
36:13in South Padre also
36:15and getting a new identity
36:17to go across the border.
36:19So between this gal
36:21in South Padre and myself,
36:22we're very lucky
36:23that we're still here.
36:26It was a relief
36:27that she'd been caught.
36:29The so-called manhunt
36:30for the killer grandma
36:31was over,
36:32and now came a hard part,
36:34the court case.
36:36This was a seminal moment
36:37for this case.
36:39The court proceedings
36:40facing her in Florida
36:41and in Minnesota as well.
36:43After she led the cops
36:50on a many-state wild goose chase,
36:53killer granny Lois Reese
36:54has to face the music
36:56for killing
36:57Pam Hutchinson
36:58in Florida
36:58and her husband,
37:00David Reese,
37:01in Minnesota.
37:03So in Florida,
37:04she was charged
37:05with first-degree homicide.
37:07She was also charged
37:08in Minnesota
37:09with first-degree homicide.
37:10Based on the crime,
37:13death penalty
37:14was on the table
37:14for her.
37:16Once Lois is locked up
37:18and staring down
37:19the consequences,
37:21including the possibility
37:22of the death penalty,
37:24she suddenly has
37:25a change of heart.
37:27I eventually heard
37:28that Lois pled guilty
37:30to the crime
37:30of murder down here
37:32in exchange
37:32for the death penalty
37:34being taken off the table.
37:35I wanted it
37:43to go to trial.
37:45They claimed
37:46that they didn't want
37:47to put the family
37:48through any extra
37:49or whatever,
37:51but I'd have been
37:51in court every day.
37:53I wanted no mercy
37:55for her.
37:57On December 18, 2019,
37:59in Lee County Court,
38:01Lois pled guilty
38:02to murder.
38:02It became
38:04a huge story.
38:07Major breaking news,
38:08the so-called
38:09killer grandma
38:10on Fort Myers Beach
38:10will spend the rest
38:11of her life
38:11in prison
38:12after pleading guilty.
38:13Once the case
38:14was wrapped up
38:15in Florida,
38:16she was then
38:17transported up
38:18to Minnesota
38:19where she also
38:20entered a plea
38:21of guilty up there.
38:23All investigators
38:24can hope
38:25is that Lois' statement
38:27just shows us all
38:28how she went
38:29from loving grandmother
38:31to husband killer.
38:32And everything
38:33spiraled from there
38:35down a path
38:35of fraud and murder.
38:40Lois' story
38:41is that he was mad
38:42and they had argued
38:43and that he walked
38:44into their bedroom
38:45and he had a .22
38:47in his bedroom,
38:49handed her the gun
38:50and said,
38:53well,
38:53why don't you just
38:54kill yourself?
38:56She claims
38:57that that
38:58just set her off
39:00and she said,
39:02I aimed right
39:03at his heart
39:04and I pulled the trigger.
39:05I didn't believe that.
39:10Based on where
39:11he was in the bathroom,
39:12I mean,
39:12if she did have
39:14that argument
39:14outside of the bathroom
39:15where the guns
39:16were kept,
39:17she's not moving
39:18that man into the bathroom.
39:20That's why I think
39:20she snuck up on him
39:21just like she probably
39:23did our victim
39:24in Fort Myers Beach.
39:26Everything's a lie
39:26with her.
39:27Lois' addiction
39:33from what the authorities
39:34in Minnesota
39:35told me was gambling.
39:36She had a love
39:37for the casinos,
39:38a love for gambling
39:39and that was part
39:41of the problem
39:42that she had
39:43with her husband
39:43from what I was told.
39:45The waxworm farm
39:47was successful
39:47but it was not making money
39:50because Lois
39:51was spending it all
39:53and asking Dave
39:55for more money
39:56and not terribly long
39:58before he was killed,
39:59he said,
40:00I'm done.
40:01I'm cutting her off.
40:02And I just think
40:03that everything
40:04caught up with her.
40:06That's the only thing
40:06I could think of
40:07why she would do
40:08any of this
40:10is just a legit
40:11mental breakdown.
40:14She finally reached
40:16a breaking point
40:16and she chose
40:18the most drastic route.
40:22In Florida,
40:23she got a life sentence
40:24and eventually
40:26she got the same
40:27in Minnesota.
40:32It was just
40:33so sad
40:34that, you know,
40:35to lose a friend
40:36and lose Dave
40:38and lose her
40:39and you want to
40:41still love them
40:42because you're your friend
40:43but what she did
40:44was so horrible.
40:48And to this day,
40:49it's still crazy to me.
40:50Like, I just don't,
40:52I still can't
40:53wrap my head around it.
41:00Dave was fantastic.
41:02His laugh
41:03was so contagious.
41:04If you ever heard
41:05his laugh,
41:06you will never forget it.
41:07Super friendly.
41:09He loved to, like,
41:10give hugs
41:11and he was just
41:13so great.
41:13One of my favorite
41:17memories of Pam,
41:19when she would
41:19come home,
41:21if I wasn't up,
41:22she'd wake me up
41:23and we'd sit there
41:24and talk
41:25for two, three hours
41:26until I'd finally say,
41:27Pam, I've got to
41:28go to bed.
41:30And we would
41:31jabber-jabber
41:32for hours,
41:32just talk
41:33and laugh
41:34and joke.
41:35She just had
41:36a good heart.
41:37She had a very
41:38good heart.
41:38I mean,
41:43the ripple effects
41:44of not only
41:45her murder victims,
41:47but people
41:49who love them,
41:50her own children,
41:51her own grandchildren.
41:53I mean,
41:54oh, God,
41:55the pain.
41:57I feel like
41:58Lois kind of
41:59tainted
41:59the grandmother image
42:00for all of us.
42:02I have 10 grandkids
42:03myself,
42:04love them all dearly,
42:06talk about them
42:06all the time
42:07just like she does.
42:08And as a grandmother
42:09myself,
42:10I can't imagine
42:11being less than
42:13the best example
42:14I can be
42:14for my grandchildren.
42:16And that's how
42:17it should be.
42:18That's just how
42:19it should be.
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