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The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 12 -
Jack Black, Paul Rudd, Jessie Buckley, Michelle de Swarte, Tom Odell
Jack Black, Paul Rudd, Jessie Buckley, Michelle de Swarte, Tom Odell
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00:00MUSIC
00:04MUSIC
00:08APPLAUSE
00:12Hi, everybody!
00:16Oh, how lovely!
00:18Hey!
00:20Hello! Hello, hello, hello!
00:22Good evening, good evening, everyone!
00:24You're all very welcome to the show.
00:28It's nearly Christmas!
00:32CHEERING
00:34I think you agree the set looks rather festive, doesn't it?
00:38Do you like the tree?
00:40Can we get a close-up of the star?
00:42LAUGHTER
00:48Wrong star.
00:50Listen, we have a great line-up for you.
00:52Look over there, singing for us later,
00:54it's the great Tom O'Dell!
00:56CHEERING
01:00Tom and his 27-piece orchestra.
01:02Count them, a real musical treat.
01:04But what treats have I got for you on my sofa tonight?
01:08Well, this former supermodel swapped the catwalk for the stand-up stage
01:12and recently wrote and starred in her own BBC series, Spent.
01:15Now she's on her first major comedy tour, The Afters.
01:18It's a warm welcome to Michelle De Swart!
01:22CHEERING
01:24Well, there she is!
01:26Oh!
01:28Oh!
01:29Oh!
01:30Oh!
01:31Oh!
01:32Oh, wow!
01:33So we can see you!
01:34Michelle De Swart!
01:35Hello!
01:36I first hosted this Irish actress and singer as a contestant
01:40on the BBC talent show I Do Anything.
01:42Since then, she's become an Oscar-nominated star of films
01:45like The Lost Daughter, Wild Rose and Wicked Little Letters.
01:49Now she brings us the beautiful and heartbreaking Hamnet.
01:53It is Jesse Buckley, everybody!
01:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:58Whoo!
01:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:02So good to see you!
02:05Oh!
02:06Congratulations, Jesse Buckley!
02:08And we have the two very funny stars of the comedy reboot
02:13of Anaconda.
02:14One made us laugh in comedy classic Anchorman
02:17and kicked Tiny Butt as Marvel superhero Ant-Man.
02:20The other is the star of Hits Like Jumanji
02:23and this year's blockbuster smash The Minecraft Movie.
02:26It's our good friends Paul Rudd and Jack Black!
02:29CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:33Come on, come on!
02:35There you go!
02:37You did it!
02:38You did it!
02:39Hello!
02:40Good to see you!
02:41Welcome, my folks!
02:42Come on!
02:43Oh, that's me!
02:44That's me!
02:45That's me!
02:46That is gorgeous!
02:47Get that thing out of here!
02:49LAUGHTER
02:50We're able to hug you twice!
02:51Give us a second hug!
02:52Oh, they're hugging!
02:53It's all nice!
02:54You're waving!
02:55Waving, waving, yeah!
02:56No, no, no, no, no!
02:57Oh, oh, oh, it's...
02:58LAUGHTER
02:59Mind the champagne!
03:00LAUGHTER
03:01OK, there we go.
03:02Yeah, yeah, nice, nice, nice.
03:03I just want to hug you.
03:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
03:06Merry Christmas, everybody!
03:08LAUGHTER
03:09Sorry.
03:10You're just hugging.
03:11Merry Christmas!
03:12There you go!
03:14Yeah, that's what it is.
03:15Are you OK there?
03:16I just had a panic that my fly was down.
03:19LAUGHTER
03:20I should have checked back there.
03:21The tie covers it.
03:23LAUGHTER
03:25You would be done.
03:27No-one's noticed.
03:28It's a warm welcome back to Paul, Jack and Jessie.
03:31A first-time welcome to Michelle de Swart.
03:33I'm so glad you're here!
03:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
03:36APPLAUSE
03:37We...
03:39We first met on RuPaul's Drag Race UK.
03:43You were a judge.
03:44And the fandom, the people who love that show, loved you.
03:48Did you feel all the kind of Drag Race love?
03:50I did.
03:51I did.
03:52I absolutely loved it.
03:53Also, I was like, I have trained my whole life for this panel.
03:56Do you know what I mean?
03:58I was like, yes, fashion, comedy and judging.
04:01LAUGHTER
04:02It's your wheelhouse.
04:03Exactly!
04:04And now, are you going to be OK on the couch tonight?
04:06Because...
04:07Michelle has feelings for someone on the couch.
04:11Oh...
04:12LAUGHTER
04:18Who might that be, Michelle?
04:20LAUGHTER
04:21Jessie?
04:22LAUGHTER
04:23If you could just move out of the way, Jack.
04:25LAUGHTER
04:27APPLAUSE
04:29Oh, my God.
04:30OK.
04:31I am a massive fan.
04:32And, like, early on, um...
04:33Sorry, guys.
04:34LAUGHTER
04:35Like, Tenacious D is, like, the blueprint of...
04:36Yes.
04:37If there was a score for my early 20s, it would be...
04:38It would be Tenacious D.
04:39Oh, my God.
04:41So, thank you so much.
04:42You kept me so much company.
04:43APPLAUSE
04:44That was so sweet.
04:45Yeah.
04:46Now, here's...
04:47I...
04:48APPLAUSE
04:49I...
04:50I...
04:51I...
04:52I...
04:53I...
04:54I...
04:55I...
04:56I...
04:57I feel I should apologise to Paul, because Jessie Buckley also has a Jack Black thing.
05:06What?!
05:07LAUGHTER
05:08I get it.
05:09I have a Jack Black thing.
05:10LAUGHTER
05:11There's enough of me to go around.
05:13LAUGHTER
05:14LAUGHTER
05:15No, yours is very specific, Jessie.
05:17I, like, um, say to myself more often than is reasonable, tip it to the side, cello.
05:23Oh, yeah.
05:24From School of Rock.
05:25It's a bass.
05:26It's a bass.
05:27It's a bass.
05:28Yes.
05:29Ah.
05:30When do you get to say, tip it to the side, cello?
05:31I said unreasonably, like, there's no reason.
05:34LAUGHTER
05:35You know, that line...
05:36But you live, like, rent-free, saying that in my head.
05:40That is sweet.
05:41That line...
05:42I remember, that wasn't in the script.
05:44Uh, George Draculius, great record producer, and also, he, he, uh, was in charge of, like,
05:50the music on that movie.
05:52He, uh, would hang out on the set in my trailer, and he, he threw that to me.
05:57He was like, you should say, on this next, uh, take, you should say, uh, you play cello?
06:02Tip it to the side.
06:03Cello, it's a bass.
06:04And I just took it straight to my head at the end of the movie.
06:07And it is some of people's favourite line.
06:09I'll tell George.
06:11George, if you're watching, you know, thank you.
06:13Great job.
06:14Great writing.
06:15I, I feel like we should stop saying lovely things about Jack Black now.
06:18It's been too much.
06:19One more for Michelle.
06:20Well, no, I did just watch you take one sip of Campari,
06:23then take a tea chaser, and then drink some water.
06:26I don't take compliments well.
06:28It's amazing.
06:29You have a tea and a Negroni.
06:31A white tea, a Negroni, and a regular water.
06:34Nice.
06:35With a, a little bit of morphine drip.
06:36LAUGHTER
06:39Well, Jack Reddy, let's go.
06:43Uh, we'll start with our first big movie tonight.
06:46Paul Rudd and Jack Black star in Anaconda.
06:49It opens in cinemas on Boxing Day.
06:51Check this out.
06:53This is Anaconda.
06:55And we no longer have a snake for our snake movie.
07:00We have to go out in the jungle.
07:04And find another one.
07:09Oh!
07:12What is that?
07:14Oh.
07:15My.
07:17My anaconda.
07:19We're in the middle of the jungle, and we are being hunted.
07:23My anaconda.
07:25Now we die.
07:26My anaconda.
07:27Oh my god.
07:28It's okay, you're safe.
07:29I'm here.
07:30Holy.
07:31It's scary.
07:32It's scary.
07:33It's scary.
07:34Jump the stairs, big laughs.
07:35It's everything you want.
07:36How did this...
07:37It's kind of amazing that no one's done this before an anaconda reboot.
07:40How did this come about?
07:41How involved were either of you?
07:42Well, there was the director of this movie made a movie before this called The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, which was with Nicolas Cage and Pedro Pascal, and both Jack and I were huge fans of that movie.
07:59And when this script kind of showed up, it seemed to have similar DNA to that one, in that it was just kind of a clever meta comedy, a take on a reboot.
08:14So I think I kind of worked on it a little bit with them, developing it.
08:19I was interested in doing it.
08:22I was very excited that they would want to work with me, and then I heard that Jack was maybe going to be involved.
08:27And then it was just the most exciting day.
08:30And then we got on the phone and talked about it.
08:32And it's basically, it's two friends kind of coming together later in life.
08:37Yeah.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Four friends.
08:40Four, you're right.
08:41Steve Zahn and Tandway Newton.
08:42Tandway Newton.
08:43And, yeah, we're these four dumbbells who love each other and had great experiences in high school making little dumb films.
08:50And we shared a love of the original anaconda.
08:53And we decided to go remake this movie out in the jungle.
08:56And then we get swept up in an actual anaconda nightmare.
09:00But it's really funny and crazy.
09:03I never read anything like it.
09:04And I was mainly excited to work with this guy right here, because he makes me laugh so hard until I cry.
09:09And I thought, this is it.
09:11And I told my manager, I was like, I'll do it as long as Paul Rudd is, in fact, attached.
09:17Because sometimes they'll pull a fast one.
09:19They'll pull a switcheroo.
09:20Tennessee switcheroo.
09:21Yeah, no.
09:22Paul Rudd's in it.
09:23And then you say, okay, I signed the thing.
09:24And then they say, oh, Paul couldn't do it.
09:26He had to do it.
09:27No!
09:28So now it's supposed to be set in South America, but you filmed in Australia, was it?
09:33Yeah.
09:34Yeah.
09:35Yeah.
09:36Apparently that wasn't our decision, but we had a great experience in Australia pretending to be in Brazil in the rainforest.
09:43Yeah, the Gold Coast.
09:46Nice!
09:47And you were in real swamps.
09:50Yeah, the first day of shooting, for me, was a night shoot and we were in a swamp.
09:58Selton Mello and I were in a swamp up to our chest and it was terrifying.
10:03And they were trying to put us at ease and they said, we had guys come out and they cleared out the swamp yesterday.
10:10Like you can clear out a swamp.
10:13You were in there and they said, you know there's things swimming around.
10:15And even some of the crew said, I can't believe you're going in there.
10:19I'm going to jump in here.
10:20There was someone on the crew who had a creepy crawly stuck to their leg and you saved them.
10:26I didn't, it was a beetle.
10:28And you knew what to do.
10:29You were like...
10:30Sheer panic.
10:31You saved their life.
10:32You're a life saver, dude.
10:33I mean...
10:34It was a beetle with a horn on it.
10:39It was a beetle that had a horn on it.
10:44Yes, only found in the Australian hat back.
10:47But then, this is weird.
10:48Put your nuts off if you're not careful.
10:50No, it was a nut biting beetle.
10:53Because Michelle, before you got into comedy, we'll talk about this later, you were a model.
11:00And didn't you have a beetle thing?
11:02Yeah.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Because they would just get you to do like random things in modelling where they were just sort of like, you're lucky to be here.
11:09We're going to do this shoot now.
11:10And this is editorial.
11:11It's high fashion.
11:12So we're going to put these beetles on your face.
11:14Stay very still and look gorgeous.
11:16Try and look nice.
11:17But if you've got a beetle on your face, you're like...
11:19You're like, smile.
11:20You're like, ahh!
11:21Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that.
11:22And then I did another shoot where they wanted me to sit on like a bit of wood.
11:33And as I sat down on it, it was in Texas and I was like, oh, there's all these ants crawling on me.
11:38But obviously, from England, I didn't realise there's ants that bite.
11:41Do you know what I mean?
11:42Yeah.
11:43What's the worst that can happen to you in this country?
11:45Pigeon shits on you or something.
11:48So I sat there and I was like, they're burning.
11:50They're burning.
11:51They're like, oh, it's a fire ants nest.
11:52And I was like, I should probably get up.
11:54And they were like, it's the last shot.
11:55If you could just stay there.
11:57And look gorgeous.
11:58And they were like, yeah!
12:00Yeah, fun times.
12:01Fun times.
12:02I don't know why you gave it up.
12:04Jessie Buckley, you grew up in the Irish countryside.
12:07So are you good with animals?
12:09Um, I feel like out of respect, they, you know,
12:14I should leave them alone.
12:15OK.
12:16Not because I would do anything to them.
12:18But they might do something to me because they're animals.
12:21That is true.
12:22Well observed.
12:23But have you ever, have you had a bad experience or something?
12:27Well actually, my mom grew up in a bull farm.
12:30What?
12:31Yeah.
12:32And she had like their...
12:33Can I just say, that seems problematic.
12:37Why?
12:38Well, you need more than bulls on your bulls.
12:40Oh, but there are no pedigree bulls.
12:42I don't know.
12:43It's like a gay cow bar or something.
12:45You love it, Chris!
12:47Only bulls?
12:48Only bulls?
12:49I don't know that.
12:50I'm like...
12:55Are they just bred bulls?
12:56Yeah.
12:57They were like prize bulls, so they'd bring them to shows
13:00and kind of wash them and brush their hair and show them around.
13:05He's a gay cow bar.
13:06Yeah.
13:07But I remember once my grandfather brought me out into the fields
13:14and put me on his tractor and I had never really been around
13:18a load of bulls.
13:19Like a mass...
13:20Good.
13:21Good.
13:23And he went to open the gate and close it and there was a load
13:26of hay on the back of the tractor and he, all of a sudden,
13:30this like, it felt like a hundred bulls were running towards me
13:36and since that moment I just think, you know, out of respect.
13:40I don't need to wrangle...
13:43Leave them alone.
13:44Anything, really.
13:45I leave them alone.
13:46Wise, wise.
13:47And Paul Rudd, what is the connection to Ireland,
13:49that you love Ireland so much?
13:51I just think it's the greatest place.
13:52I just love Ireland.
13:53I first went there on my own.
13:55I loved Irish music and I was just very drawn to Ireland.
13:58OK.
13:59And then my father spent a lot of time in Ireland
14:01because he was a Titanic expert and he used to take groups of
14:04people throughout Ireland to Belfast to Harlan Wolfe
14:07where the ship was built and he'd go down to Cove,
14:10which was the last port of call before...
14:11Yeah.
14:12Yeah, so we spent a lot of time in Ireland.
14:14Yeah.
14:15Was that his job?
14:16Yeah.
14:17Yeah.
14:18Wow.
14:19That's very niche.
14:20Yeah, he...
14:21It is, isn't it?
14:22It really is.
14:23He used to work with the airlines and it was a big history buff.
14:27He loved history, but he was a real Titanic enthusiast
14:31and that was...
14:32He started kind of giving these Titanic historical tours
14:35to other people who were as interested in Titanic as he was.
14:39And late in his life, that was what he did.
14:43Yeah.
14:44And is Rod an Irish name?
14:45I think there's...
14:46Are there Rod sausages?
14:47Is that rigged about Jessie Buckley?
14:48I never had a Rod sausage.
14:49No.
14:50I'll bet you are.
14:51LAUGHTER
14:52I can ask, was your granddad...
14:53Was he Irish?
14:54They were English.
14:55Everyone was British.
14:56Oh!
14:57That's a burn!
14:58You live in America then?
14:59Yeah, I was born in America, but both my parents are from London.
15:01And so I grew up in America, but we actually spread...
15:04my dad's ashes in Ireland as well.
15:05Wow!
15:06Which is an interesting thing to try and get your dad's ashes through TSA.
15:10Did you say what it was?
15:11Or did you pretend it was something else?
15:13I did.
15:14No, I did.
15:15We put...
15:16It's like a duffel bag.
15:17And I put it on the belt going to fly on the air.
15:19And I put it on the belt going to fly on the air.
15:21It's British.
15:22And that's British.
15:23Oh, that's a burn!
15:24That's a burn!
15:25That's a burn!
15:26That's a burn!
15:27That's a burn!
15:28That's a burn!
15:29That's a burn!
15:30I'm the expert!
15:31How are you...?
15:32You live in America then?
15:33And they wanted to fly on the airline.
15:34I thought, oh, I probably should have seen this.
15:36And they wanted to examine it and check it out.
15:39They said, what's in the bag?
15:40I said, it's my dad.
15:41In Ireland, they would have loved that.
15:44Oh, yeah.
15:45You know you're on the right flight home if you're going home for a funeral, so...
15:48Yeah.
15:49You would have been welcome.
15:50That's why it's the best.
15:52That's why it's the best.
15:53And now, there's a tradition, I feel, Jack.
15:55Every time you do a movie, somehow it inspires you musically.
15:59Yeah.
16:00Have you come up with an anaconda song?
16:02I have, actually.
16:04Do you want to hear it?
16:05No.
16:14Quiet on the set.
16:15Anaconda, the most beautiful creature in the wild.
16:24Anaconda, you're the most popular with boys and girls.
16:28You bite and you swallow and you take it down.
16:31You are the scariest snake in town.
16:34Big as a bus and a hearty, too.
16:37I made up this song just now.
16:41Beautiful.
16:43I lied.
16:44I lied.
16:45I didn't have a song.
16:47Give me the extras.
16:49Give me the extras.
16:50Did you know that I was making it up as we went along?
16:53Because I lied.
16:54I did not have a song.
16:55Oh.
16:56Oh, it's very good.
16:57Anaconda.
16:58I think it's a hit, though.
16:59Yeah.
17:00It's pretty good.
17:01That's how all songs are written.
17:02At first, you don't have a song.
17:03And then, did you see the Beatles documentary?
17:06When you watch Paul McCartney and Sir Paul come up with Get Back right in front of your eyes?
17:18That's what you just saw.
17:19Beautiful work.
17:20Beautiful work.
17:21A reminder, you can see Anaconda in cinemas from Boxing Day.
17:26Meanwhile, Jessie Buckley gives an extraordinary performance in High School.
17:35Hamnet.
17:36It is in cinemas from the 9th of January.
17:39And Hamnet is this incredibly beloved novel by Maggie O'Farrell.
17:43When they approached you, were you familiar with the book?
17:46No, no.
17:47I met Chloe Zhao first and then they sent me the book.
17:50And for people who haven't read the book, and lots of people have, tell us about Hamnet and its relation to Shakespeare and why it's so special.
17:59I guess it's a peek behind the curtain of who the family man, William Shakespeare, is.
18:04William Shakespeare might have been and where Hamlet might have kind of been born from.
18:12Shakespeare actually did have a son called Hamnet who died of the plague.
18:16I had no idea about that.
18:18I thought it was about a Danish prince.
18:20Yeah.
18:21And it's about love and loss and motherhood and art and the need of kind of storytelling to hold the parts of us that we can't hold by ourselves.
18:34That's it really.
18:35And it is, it's such a beautiful film and you are, God you're good in it.
18:39And Paul Mesco, we should say, plays William Shakespeare.
18:42And the Hamlet, Hamlet thing, those names, am I right, they were interchangeable at the time?
18:48Yeah, yeah.
18:49And the same, and you're Anne Hathaway but you're Agnes.
18:52Well, she was kind of written out of history as, you know, I think her father called her Agnes but she was known as Anne Hathaway and as the woman that kind of pulled Shakespeare back.
19:05Which, is it, you know, not the truth.
19:08Well, we've got a clip.
19:09This is you as Agnes with Paul, as William Shakespeare and the children, because you have three children, they've prepared you a surprise.
19:17One step, come to your right step.
19:21One more.
19:23One more.
19:24One more.
19:25One more.
19:35Ah!
19:36H closed!
19:37When shall we three meet again!
19:40En thunder, lightning or in rain?
19:41When will he burn his tongue!
19:43When the vielch who's lost from one!
19:47That will be a success.
19:50Where the place?
19:51A place!
19:52There to meet with Anne.
19:54I come Green Mountain.
19:55Oh
20:18Beautiful sweet scenes like that have this kind of added poignancy because as a viewer, you know that
20:23something
20:25Really tragic is on the way. Yeah, I actually had no idea. They're going to shoot that scene
20:30They were so giddy all day because they've been rehearsing it for like the week and except
20:38Bodhi who plays Susanna the my daughter in the blue really didn't
20:46Like she's like my emo teenager in that I'm kind of proud that she's like oh my god
20:53I
20:55But it was such a gorgeous shoot and those kids are incredible and Paul is promising
21:05And we should say though if you go to see this film be prepared it will put you through the emotional
21:12ringer, there's a
21:14Long section at the end where you're what Agnes and Hathaway is watching Hamlet this this play that will be and there's a moment right at the end
21:21that I
21:23You and and Chloe the director you came up with together. Do you know what I'm talking about the the hands? Yeah
21:30Yeah, I mean the end we didn't know what to do
21:34It's quite scary because it was like the whole end of shooting the whole film and we'd had this amazing journey
21:40We're like God we've got to like land the plane now
21:42How do you like land the plane after this and go to the globe which is epic in just its name?
21:49and
21:51There was the moment at the I mean there was these incredible extras 400 extras
21:56and then there was a moment where I was standing in the middle of the of our recreated globe and there was all these
22:02incredible faces around me and
22:04And I sent Chloe Max Richter's on the nature of daylight and from that piece of music
22:13This ending came where they all
22:17Reach 400 people behind me reach their hands to try and touch the play and I guess touch the things that they've lost in their own life
22:26Yeah in some way that's a really beautiful moment and this wonderful things happen to you
22:31You're now a mom. You became a mom after the film. Congratulations
22:39Does that kind of when you watch the film now as a mom does it kind of make it even more kind of emotionally upsetting for you?
22:48Or is it kind of the same?
22:50That's pretty
22:51I
22:53Watched it first when I was eight months pregnant and I was not okay
22:59There's nothing this you know embarrassing to cry at your own film, but I was pregnant, so I'm
23:06But it felt it was you know, it's about a lot
23:09it's got a lot of birth and death and
23:12motherhood and children and
23:14and I wanted to be a mom for a long time and
23:18I got pregnant like a week after I wrapped
23:21This film so it was pretty yeah, it's beautiful. Well, it's lovely that those things are all kind of entwined now
23:27Yeah, I'm talking of Hamlet Shakespeare Paul Rudd. You've played Hamlet haven't you I?
23:33Did in a scene. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I did it really good in it. Yeah
23:39I cried when I did it
23:41Did I did I did I did do a
23:45Production of it, but it was very posh wasn't it it was pretty pot. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was
23:50It wasn't that posh. It wasn't directed by somebody very famous
23:56Are you talking about Sir Ben Kingsley? That's exactly I'm talking about yes
24:02Yeah
24:04Another one that I did a I was going to school I did a production of Hamlet
24:09I was working on a scene Ben King Sir Ben Kingsley came to do it. Don't forget the sir
24:13Nope, sir Ben Kingsley came to do a
24:16like a master class and
24:19He directed it we worked on it and it was just for an afternoon really and
24:24And when I was starting my career I
24:27Had a manager a bit of a Broadway Danny Rose type manager
24:32Who said we need to create a CV for you and he would and I had no credits and he said well
24:38What did you do in school and I was like this? I did a thing with Hamlet
24:42Then Sir Ben Kingsley came in and directed it and so he put down
24:47I played Hamlet in a production
24:50Directed by Sir Ben Kingsley
24:54He sounds brilliant
24:57I was I felt very funny about it
25:01But those that seemed to kind of hang around and my biggest fear in life was that sir
25:06Well, maybe not my biggest fear in life
25:08But my fear was that he might somehow see my CV
25:13What?
25:14Ooh
25:15Never went away
25:17Until now
25:18Yeah
25:19He watches every week
25:21Now I wouldn't have thought Jack Black had never done Shakespeare but you have done Shakespeare
25:26Yes, I was a theatre major at UCLA theatre department and we did a production of
25:33Much Ado About Nothing
25:35That's the one
25:36And I played a character I can't remember what it was called
25:39But I remember that I was very very good in the play
25:43I can't remember any of my lines
25:45I like when you refer to your own character as It
25:50It's a very foggy memory
25:51But I remember the director
25:52I can't remember his name either
25:54He was like
25:55Was it Sir Ben Kingsley?
25:56It might have been him
25:58I think it was Sir John Gielgud actually
26:00And he said Jack
26:02When you do this part
26:04Just look straight ahead and don't move a muscle
26:07Let all the emotions come through your eyes
26:10And say the part plainly
26:12And if you do this Jack
26:14And hold on to these lessons throughout your life
26:17It will serve you well in a career that spans far and wide
26:22And I obviously did not take that to heart
26:25I've spent my career overacting and not staying still
26:29And speaking the lines plainly
26:31But it was a great experience
26:34I'm sure it was, yes
26:36Very good
26:38Beautiful
26:39Yeah
26:40Because Michelle
26:41Michelle, you do acting now
26:43You have eating things
26:44Would you do Shakespeare?
26:45Have you done Shakespeare?
26:46Nah
26:48Nah
26:49And this is what
26:50I feel like
26:51I don't have the range for that kindness
26:53You've got one accent with me
26:55And it's this
26:56You know what I mean?
26:57Even this
26:58When you're talking about Hamlet
26:59And Anne Hathaway
27:00I was like
27:01That's an actor
27:02I kept on thinking that too
27:04Thank you
27:05I'm kind of pissed off
27:06That I was playing it
27:07And not Anne Hathaway
27:08Is Anne Hathaway named
27:11Do I sound fake?
27:12Wait
27:13No
27:14She must have been named after the
27:15Well obviously
27:16After the Hollywood actress
27:17Yes
27:18Right
27:19Yeah
27:20Yeah, no
27:21None of that for me
27:22No period dramas here
27:23I think it would
27:24There would definitely be some questions
27:26Are coming up like
27:27No, you could crush
27:28Do you reckon?
27:29Yeah
27:30You and I
27:31Maybe this is our next movie
27:32Yes
27:33What would it be?
27:34Romeo and Juliet
27:35Juliet
27:36Am I too old to play Romeo?
27:37No
27:38No
27:39I can't wait
27:40Do you think we would be
27:41Perfect
27:42Perfect
27:43I feel so awkward in the middle of this
27:46I have since the beginning
27:47I asked if they wanted to swap
27:48They said no
27:49I'm bringing you back to Hamlet
27:50I bring you back to Hamlet
27:51Because I've got to say
27:52Congratulations
27:53You've got amazing reviews
27:54And Golden Globe nominated
27:55Next month
27:56So listen good luck with that and all the other awards that I'm sure are in your future
28:12Hamlet is in cinemas from the 9th of January everybody
28:16Very good
28:17Now here's the thing
28:23Being an actor on stage is, you know, difficult and all those things
28:27But at Michelle de Swart you've tackled possibly the toughest stage of all the catwalk
28:32Oh
28:33No, no
28:34No
28:35Here's the thing
28:36But no, you walked for like really big designers and labels
28:40Like tell us some of the people you did
28:42Yeah
28:43Not well, I'll say that
28:44But yes, I did it
28:45I did it
28:46I did it
28:47Walked for
28:48Missoni
28:49Gucci
28:50Versace
28:51D&G
28:52Or Dolce & Gabbana
28:53Yeah
28:54She's the real deal
28:55The real deal
28:56Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
28:57And then Gravity came along and I've pivoted and now I'm doing stand-up
29:02Was it the fire ants that took you off as you were modeling?
29:05You say gravity
29:07Gucci 2002
29:09You're walking and this is quite a famous thing
29:12Before we get into it, we should say you're fine about this
29:15This isn't triggering or anything
29:16No, well, 2002
29:18Can you imagine if I was still triggered now?
29:20Imagine it!
29:21Imagine it!
29:22How dare you!
29:23It feels like yesterday
29:24Yeah, no, I'm fine
29:25Yeah, no, I'm fine
29:26So
29:27So we bought the clip
29:28Should we talk about it before we see the clip or see the clip?
29:31You know what?
29:32It's worth chatting about it first
29:35Alright
29:36Okay, no, maybe
29:37Set it up
29:38No, go on
29:39Go on
29:40Should we just see it?
29:41No, talk about it
29:42Okay
29:43So
29:44I will say this
29:45I got
29:46I was pulling pints in a pub
29:47Alright
29:48I got scouted
29:49They sent me to Milan
29:50Everyone was like
29:51She's the new model of the moment
29:53We're all gonna book her
29:54But no one had asked me if I could walk in hills
29:57Everyone just presumed
29:58That now you've been knighted with the word model
30:01Then you're that
30:02You know what I mean?
30:03But I had a walk like a bookie
30:05You just like got a winning or something
30:06I was like
30:07Ehhh
30:08I had a wide gate
30:11It's what I will say
30:13And erm
30:14And so I go to Milan
30:15I book all of these shows
30:16And everyone's like
30:17Yeah, you're a model now
30:18I'm like
30:19Yeah, proper
30:20And erm
30:21And erm
30:22At the time
30:23Tom Ford was erm
30:24Designing for Gucci
30:25And erm
30:26Yeah, proper Jack
30:27Yeah
30:28And erm
30:29I'm standing backstage
30:30And I'm in these hills
30:31And I was like
30:32This
30:33I'm gonna fuck this
30:34Proper
30:35Yeah
30:36I was like
30:37There's no way I can walk in these
30:38And it was on this shag pile carpet
30:39And Tom Ford was there
30:40And I was like
30:41He went
30:42How you doing?
30:43Not good
30:44Anyway
30:45Don't worry
30:46You're just gonna stand there
30:47And everyone's gonna die
30:48And I was like
30:49Okay
30:50And then you go out onto the runway
30:51Now most runways are like
30:52Really short
30:53But because it's Gucci
30:54It's like the longest runway ever
30:56And I start
30:57I start walking
30:58And I just thought
30:59Imagine if you fell
31:01And with that
31:03Stacked it
31:04Shall we
31:05Shall we watch it now?
31:06Let's watch it!
31:07Let's watch it!
31:08Here's the shag pile carpet
31:10The beautiful
31:11Here we go
31:12Here comes
31:13Here comes
31:14Michelle de Swartz
31:15Uh oh
31:16No she's okay
31:17She's okay
31:18She's okay
31:19Oh oh oh
31:20No no
31:21No
31:22Come on you can do this
31:23Wait wait
31:24Oh
31:25Oh oh oh
31:26And then
31:27Shoes off
31:28Your shoes off
31:29Oh you're a woman
31:30Oh yeah
31:32I love this
31:33I love this
31:34Oh
31:35Still working it
31:36Still working it
31:37Still working it
31:38Yes
31:39You are beautiful
31:40Thank you
31:41Also
31:42It says so much about the fashion world
31:45You stack it
31:46And one man just kind of went
31:48No one tried to help you
31:51No no
31:52But where this thing is
31:53I've been doing stand-up for over a decade now
31:55Hands down
31:56The funniest thing I've ever done
31:58That is rude
32:00Like that is
32:01That's me at my comedy best
32:03So this is the comedy is going great
32:05You're on your first major tour
32:07It's called The Afters
32:09You've already done a bunch of it
32:11And it kicks off again in
32:12Is it March?
32:13March
32:14Okay
32:15The Afters
32:16Why is it called The Afters by the way?
32:17Well as mentioned
32:18I was a model who used to live in New York
32:19So I'm an ex-party girl
32:21And I think much like an Afters
32:23It is me chatting at ya
32:24For an hour
32:25And hopefully funny and entertaining
32:28Oh my god
32:29And hopefully your sister
32:31Well because she doesn't sound like a great audience member
32:33Your sister
32:34Oh my
32:35Yeah
32:36Thank god now I do bigger rooms
32:38But when I first started
32:39Like upstairs in pubs and stuff like that
32:41Very glamorous
32:42I was doing one gig
32:44And my sister came to support me
32:46And every time
32:47Back then I used to do a lot of stories about my mum and stuff
32:50And every time I'd just be getting to the punchline
32:52I'd be like
32:53You know like my mum and my sister would shout out the punchline
32:56And just like
32:57I was just like
32:58What are you doing?
32:59Because she knew the story
33:00Do you know what I mean?
33:01Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
33:02Like that
33:03And I was just like
33:04This is pure sabotage
33:05And then she would get a massive laugh
33:07And then they would look at me
33:08And I was like
33:09No, that's it
33:10I don't
33:11I don't know what you've seen after this
33:13Oh
33:14Yeah
33:15Fun times
33:16And you talk about your mum
33:18Your mum got you into jobs
33:20Now did she get you
33:21She got you a cleaning job
33:22Yes
33:23Yes
33:24That was her job already?
33:26Yes
33:27Merry Christmas mum
33:28So
33:29Yeah
33:30I've done a lot of
33:31I've done a lot of different jobs before I started modelling
33:34But my first job was a cleaner in an office building
33:37And my mum was like
33:38Right, I'm going to do this day
33:39You do the other days, right?
33:41And my mum
33:42She's a changed woman now
33:44But my mum really got a kick out of nicking
33:46And
33:47We were in this corporate
33:50In this like corporate office building
33:52And my mum would send me in
33:53I think I was pretty young like 13, 14 at the time
33:56This is my first job
33:57And she'd be like
33:58Right, alright
33:59So when you do the second floor
34:00If you go into the kitchen
34:01They've got a really good dinner set
34:03Now I've got the cups
34:05And you've got to get the plates
34:07That is your job
34:08You've got to nick the plates
34:09And I was just like
34:10I was such a
34:11You know
34:12Like an anxious kid
34:13I'd like be freaking out
34:14It was like I was doing a heist in the loo
34:16You know what I mean
34:17I've got to nick these plates
34:19My mum
34:20So we can have the full set
34:21Which is weird because she doesn't cook
34:22So it's sort of like
34:23What are they here for?
34:24What are they here for?
34:25Yeah
34:26Did you just have them on display?
34:27What? No
34:28No
34:29I don't know
34:30You know
34:31But we did get the full set
34:32Well done
34:33Yes
34:34That's very proud
34:35And
34:36Talking of early jobs things
34:39Jack
34:40You got into acting really early
34:42I did
34:43I was a child actor
34:44It's true
34:45Yeah
34:46I'm a little defensive
34:47I know
34:48Yeah
34:49The actors get a bad rap
34:50But
34:51I survived
34:52And I'm fine
34:53Nothing wrong with me
34:55Was your first job
34:56The commercial for Pitfall?
34:58Yes
34:59That was my first booking
35:00But I want to clarify
35:02I didn't have the kind of parents that were like
35:04Get out there and make money for us you kid
35:07You can bring back home the bacon for us
35:10We want to go
35:11Put it on the slots
35:13No
35:14I was
35:15I drove that car
35:18I was a real ham
35:19I loved putting on a show from a very early age
35:22And I wanted to go on auditions
35:24I wanted to get out there and be
35:26I wanted to be on TV
35:27So that the kids at school could see me
35:29And
35:30And my stepfather David Katz actually drove me around town
35:34To go on the auditions
35:35And I went
35:36I remember that audition like it was yesterday
35:38I went in there
35:39And I did the lines
35:41And they said
35:42Could you do it again Jack
35:43And this time do it really cocksure
35:45Really overconfident
35:47And I was like
35:48I think I can do that
35:49And in my mind I was like
35:50They fell into my trap
35:51My main move is overconfident guy
35:55So I did it again
35:56And I just poured on all the sauce
35:58And I was like
35:59Just last night
36:00I was lost in the jungle with Pitfall Harry
36:02Surrounded by giant scorpions and cobra rattlers
36:05And man-eating crocodiles
36:06I still remember all the lines
36:09We've got the commercial
36:10We've got the commercial
36:11Are you going to show it?
36:12We've got the commercial
36:13And you do remember your lines
36:14I do
36:15And you know often when you watch these things
36:17You kind of think
36:18Oh that you know
36:19The person is unrecognisable
36:21This is just
36:22Jack Black Young
36:23I mean it's just
36:24It's just
36:25It's extraordinary
36:26By the way
36:27By the way
36:28Do check out the state of the art computer graphics
36:31In Pitfall the game
36:33Here we go
36:34Just last night
36:35I was lost in the jungle with Pitfall Harry
36:37Surrounded by giant scorpions and man-eating crocodiles
36:40If you haven't met Pitfall Harry
36:42You're missing the year's most incredible video game adventure
36:45Pitfall for the Atari 2600 and Intellivision
36:47Pitfall designed by David Crane for Activision
36:50So good
36:54Yeah
36:55Yeah
36:56It was also the best game
37:01Yeah
37:02Pitfall was the best game
37:03You know what I realized
37:04While we were watching that just now
37:05Is that I've been doing jungle themed
37:07Yeah
37:08Since I was a child
37:10I know
37:11There's something weird about me and the jungle
37:13Because we got this movie
37:14Also Jumanji
37:15Don't forget jungle themed
37:16And that's all I can
37:17Oh King Kong
37:18I was in King Kong
37:19Jungle themed
37:20Yeah
37:21What's going on here?
37:22At Tropic Thunder
37:23Tropic Thunder
37:24Have you been to the jungle?
37:28Have you been to the jungle?
37:30Have you been to the jungle?
37:32Um
37:33No I went on a safari once
37:34You did?
37:35That's the jungle?
37:36It was and it was one of the most terrifying things I've ever done
37:39Yes it doesn't sound like you'd like that Jessie
37:41Well I actually typed in solo traveller adventures into the internet
37:45And found myself on the salu reserve amongst the Maasai tribe when I was about 22
37:51And I
37:52Is that in Africa?
37:53The salu?
37:54Is that in Kenya?
37:55In Tanzania
37:56Oh wow
37:57And I remember I got into my tent on the first night I did not sleep for a week
38:02Every sound I was like
38:04And they give you like a pre-chat to be like do not open your tent there's hippos right there they will eat you
38:12The mama has just had her baby she's really hungry and you're like okay
38:17And the only thing I could find I like I got really drunk the second night because I was like
38:22I just wanna have to like basically pass out to get to sleep but the only thing that I could find solace in
38:28Was they had like a crate and there was like the tiniest lock on this crate that I found to lock the bottom of the tent
38:36Like that was gonna like solve this
38:40And the hippo will go I'd like to but no loads of that
38:47Listen it's been lovely talking to you all
38:49And don't forget Michelle de Swart is on tour from next March
38:52Go see her
38:56Okay it's time for music
38:58This Brit award winning singer songwriter has given us a string of hits including Another Love and Black Friday
39:04Here performing his current single when I close my eyes it is Tom O'Dell
39:27The house it feels so empty
39:34Cause now I live alone
39:36Cause now I live alone
39:43The kid next door keeps asking me
39:46Where you've gone
39:48And I tell him
39:49I tell him
39:51You've gone home
39:53But when I close my eyes
39:57Standing there in front of me
40:01When I close my eyes
40:03In front of me
40:04When I close my eyes
40:06It's almost like it used to be
40:10And then I realize
40:13You're just a ghost
40:17Baby
40:19At most
40:21A fragment of my mind
40:25When I close my eyes
40:26When I close my eyes
40:27When I close my eyes
40:28When I close my eyes
40:29When the days could be so lonely
40:32When the days could be so lonely
40:35So I stay out all night
40:38So I stay out all night
40:45My friends say take it slowly
40:52And I tell them that I'll try
40:59But when I close my eyes
41:04You're standing there in front of me
41:08And when I close my eyes
41:12It's almost like it used to be
41:15And then I realize
41:19You're just a ghost
41:23Maybe I'm most
41:27A fragment of my mind
41:31When I close my eyes
41:34And every thought I'd think
41:38It cuts me like a knife
41:42And I just wanna bring
41:45And bring you back to life
41:49Tonight the sun will set
41:54Tomorrow it will rise
41:57And all that I've got left
42:01And all that I've got is when I close my eyes
42:04You're standing there in front of me
42:09And when I close my eyes
42:12It's almost like it used to be
42:16And then I realize
42:19You're just a ghost
42:23Maybe I'm almost a fragment of my mind
42:32And when I close my eyes
42:35When I close my eyes
42:39And when I close my eyes
42:43And when I close my eyes
42:46And when I close my eyes
42:50And when I close my eyes
43:00Whoa!
43:02Tom O'Dell!
43:05How beautiful was that?
43:07And thank you to the orchestra, all 27 of them,
43:10and the conductor.
43:11Beautiful Tom.
43:12Come on over, Tom, do.
43:14Here he comes.
43:17Wow.
43:19That was an effort.
43:20Thank you so, so much.
43:22Tom, that's Michelle, Jesse, Jack, Paul.
43:25That is Tom O'Dell right there.
43:30Oh, they love it.
43:31Nice.
43:32Sit down, too.
43:33That was gorgeous, and that orchestra sounded amazing.
43:36Amazing.
43:37The polyphony orchestra, everybody.
43:38Polyphony orchestra.
43:40Like, as a musician, that must feel great,
43:45having that sound behind you.
43:47Yes, I rest very peacefully last night
43:50knowing that they were going to be here.
43:52But, yeah, they're incredible.
43:55Some of the greatest musicians in London over there,
43:58so it's a real privilege to play with them.
44:00Thank you so much.
44:01APPLAUSE
44:02Well, thank you for being here.
44:03And I...
44:05I don't want to give Paul Rudd a complex or anything,
44:08but it's another Jack Black fan on the couch.
44:10What?!
44:11Yeah, yeah.
44:12It's all...
44:13It's not a complex fan.
44:14Oh, my God.
44:15Yeah.
44:16My cup runneth over with bonds.
44:18LAUGHTER
44:19It's a bond club.
44:20So tell me, what is it about me that you like so much?
44:24LAUGHTER
44:26I was 12 years old when School of Rock came out.
44:30Oh, nice.
44:31And playing the piano was not the coolest of choices,
44:36and that scene when you're playing The Doors.
44:39Yes!
44:40Dude, you were the age of those kids in the movie,
44:42so that must have...
44:43Yeah, it was like I was the perfect...
44:45It was the perfect time for me to watch that film.
44:47Oh, man.
44:48Let's rock today.
44:49Yeah.
44:50Yeah.
44:51Look at you now.
44:52Thank you, brother.
44:53I love it.
44:54That track, that is one of the extra tracks
44:57on the new deluxe version of A Wonderful Life.
45:01A Wonderful Life epilogue.
45:02Yes.
45:03And is this deluxe one out now, too?
45:05That came out, yeah, a few months ago.
45:06OK, brilliant.
45:07And that song...
45:09Here's the thing, recording that track in particular
45:12apparently was kind of challenging.
45:14Yeah, I've actually, like, tried to put this song
45:17on my last three albums, and it's a very emotional song,
45:22and it's kind of about grief and losing someone,
45:25but every time I came to record it, I would sing the verses fine,
45:30and then as soon as I get to the chorus,
45:32I would sing it in an Australian accent.
45:34LAUGHTER
45:36So it would be the kid next door keeps asking me,
45:39where you've gone, and I tell him...
45:41I tell him, you've gone home.
45:43When I close my eyes...
45:45LAUGHTER
45:47And I was OK with that.
45:50I played it to my wife and she said,
45:52you cannot put this song out.
45:54It sounds like a joke song.
45:55But I think it's that thing where it was so emotional
45:59I didn't even want to, like, confront it,
46:01so I was subconsciously trying to avoid
46:04and sort of making voices, I don't know, funny voices.
46:07And, listen, real thanks for being here,
46:09because you say you just literally just finished an arena tour.
46:12Yeah, like a week ago, yeah.
46:13Yeah, where was that?
46:14You just finished in...?
46:15I finished in...
46:16Oh, God, I can't remember.
46:18Antwerp.
46:19Antwerp.
46:20Antwerp.
46:21Yeah.
46:22And you are off to Australia.
46:25You've got the accent already.
46:26I'm off to Australia, yeah.
46:27Yeah.
46:28We're going...
46:29We're doing some shows over there in January.
46:30You should sing the Australian version of that song.
46:32I will be.
46:33LAUGHTER
46:34While you're there, check out some of the swamps.
46:36LAUGHTER
46:38They're beautiful this time of year.
46:40Yes.
46:41Listen, good luck with the tour of Australia.
46:43Thank you very much.
46:44Thank you for that performance.
46:45Tom O'Dell, everyone!
46:47APPLAUSE
46:49Thank you very much.
46:50That is nearly it.
46:52Before we go, just time for a Christmas visit to the big red chair.
46:56Hello.
46:57Hello.
46:58Hi.
46:59What's your name?
47:00I'm Lynne from Chippenum and Wiltshire.
47:01Excellent.
47:02The hopes of a nation are resting on you and your Christmas jumper.
47:06What do you do in Chippenum?
47:08I'm a part-time travel money advisor.
47:11A part-time travel money advisor?
47:13It sounds like it will be full-time, but no.
47:16No.
47:17Only has a part-time.
47:19I'd like to ask her about my travel money, but I can't.
47:21She's not on today.
47:23Call her on Tuesdays.
47:25That's her best day, yeah.
47:27She's rested.
47:28OK, off you go with your story.
47:30OK.
47:31So I was weirdo'd quite early and I spent a few years just bringing up my children.
47:35Yes.
47:36And eventually I thought, well, I need to get back out there.
47:38Yeah.
47:39And I met a young man and after a little bit of time I decided it was time to allow him to stay over.
47:44So I said to him, well, give me ten minutes, I'm going upstairs and just follow me up in ten minutes.
47:50So I dressed seductively in underwear that you keep just for the bedroom, complete with high heels.
47:57Oh, my God.
47:58Yes.
47:59And I sort of sprawled seductively on the bed and just waited and I had my eyes closed in anticipation of what was to come.
48:09And I heard the door open, kept my eyes closed because I wanted to build the moment.
48:14And all of a sudden my teenage son says, can you call me at six in the morning? I've got an early shift.
48:20That's quite a good story.
48:21It's quite sweet.
48:22You can walk.
48:23You can walk.
48:24Go on.
48:27OK, that really is all we've got time for.
48:29If you'd like to have a go in the red chair yourself and tell your story, you can contact us via our website.
48:34Please say thank you to all of my guests tonight.
48:36Tom O'Dell!
48:40Michelle De Schwart!
48:41Jesse Buckley!
48:46Jack Black!
48:49And Paul Rudd!
48:52We'll see you again on New Year's Eve with music guest Alison Limerick, the young star of adolescence Owen Cooper,
48:58funny man Tim Key and Will Arnett, great British actress Carrie Mulligan and Tom Hiddleston,
49:03and Oscar winner Laura Dern.
49:05Until then, have a very happy Christmas.
49:06Bye-bye!
49:12Yeah, he's back on New Year's Eve at 10.30.
49:15Now, do you hear what I hear?
49:17It may just be BBC Sounds, whether you're after Mariah and Wham,
49:21or a favourite carol, your favourite Christmas music is waiting.
49:24be right now.
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