00:00Progresso w tym momencie nie jest w tym poziomie,
00:03jak w tym momencie,
00:05jak w tym momencie,
00:06czy nie jest w tym poziomie,
00:08a tak, że jest to możliwe możliwości
00:10w tym momencie, że w tym momencie,
00:12to jest możliwe możliwe.
00:20Hello, a bardzo bardzo lubię do Energy Frontiers.
00:23Jestem Rebecca McLaughlin-Easton.
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01:58Globalne energie-efficiency related investment
02:02is set to reach almost $800 billion in 2025,
02:06up 6% year-on-year.
02:08And despite 18 million people employed
02:11in energy efficiency last year,
02:13higher costs and labour shortages remain pain points.
02:17Lucas, it's great to see you.
02:19Thank you so much for joining me from Paris today.
02:22Thank you very much for having me
02:23and thank you for taking the time
02:24to talk about energy efficiency.
02:26Let me start by asking you about your latest report,
02:28which points to energy efficiency
02:30having risen by only around 1.8% in 2025.
02:34Which policies or political decisions
02:36or even political failures, some might say,
02:38have led us to where we are today?
02:40Which is holding back progress?
02:42Yeah, thank you very much for that question.
02:44It's an excellent point.
02:46I think what we see actually in 2025
02:48is that there is some positive news.
02:50So 2025 is sort of an uptick
02:52in energy efficiency progress globally
02:54compared to last year.
02:56However, as we see as well,
02:58is that over a sort of longer-term horizon,
03:00the average progress since 2019,
03:02the average progress this decade
03:04in terms of energy efficiency,
03:06is somewhat lower than the progress
03:08we saw previous decades,
03:09around 1.3% on average per year since 2019.
03:13And I think the first thing to mention is industry.
03:16We see that since 2019,
03:18two-thirds of global energy demand growth
03:21has come from the industrial sector.
03:24At the same time in that industrial sector,
03:26energy efficiency progress there
03:28has sort of flatlined
03:30and dropped to around 0.5% per year on average.
03:33So there's a real slowdown in efficiency progress there.
03:36At the same time, we also see that policy
03:40has sort of lagged technological progress.
03:42Lucas, you mentioned policy there.
03:44You also touched upon industry.
03:46If we understand that technology is rapidly evolving
03:49and there's already much technology in place,
03:52what is the real barrier to efficiency progress?
03:55Is it just a geographical trend?
03:58Is it capital?
03:59Or are we merely waiting for policy to catch up?
04:02First of all, we see a shift of where industry takes place.
04:05There's a shift towards different regions in the world,
04:08but also towards more energy-intensive industry in some cases.
04:12But if we then specifically focus on policy,
04:15we also see there's a little bit less of a policy focus
04:17on the industrial sector in many countries.
04:20So of the sort of 250 policy announcements
04:23that we've seen in 2025 on energy efficiency,
04:27just over 35 of those were happening
04:29specifically in the industrial sectors.
04:31But the good news is that in many cases,
04:34the technologies are available to scale up efficiency progress
04:37in the industrial sector,
04:38especially in the sort of less-intensive industrial sectors.
04:41There are many opportunities to electrify,
04:43using heat pumps, for example,
04:45in processes to electrify industrial heat.
04:47Lucas, is it fair to say that in recent years,
04:50governments have pretty much ignored the IEA's advice
04:52when it comes to energy efficiency?
04:54And as we know, your report is referencing,
04:57is emphasizing the need for us to close those policy gaps.
05:01So why do you think it will be different in 2026?
05:04And why should the public have faith that it will be different this time around?
05:07Yeah, it's an excellent question.
05:09I think what we've seen is that two years ago, in 2023,
05:13governments around the world came together in Dubai at the climate conference, COP28,
05:17where they set the ambition themselves for 2030
05:20to aim to double global energy efficiency improvements by that year.
05:24And unfortunately, since that year, we've seen progress not double yet.
05:29However, I don't think that means that governments don't still have that ambition.
05:33I think one interesting thing that we see specifically this year
05:36is that governments have sort of started to recognize the role of energy efficiency,
05:41not just for emission reductions,
05:43but for sort of wider economic and energy policy priorities.
05:46You can think in this case of affordability, for example,
05:49so lowering household energy bills,
05:51but also industrial competitiveness, making sure that businesses are competitive.
05:56And lastly, energy security.
05:58And I think Europe, for example, is an excellent example
06:01where there are many new policies announced that sort of take energy efficiency
06:07to improve these different aspects of people's lives and of businesses in Europe.
06:12The best case scenario, as the IEA sees it,
06:15is for efficiency gains to more than double annually to meet global climate and energy goals.
06:20So which single action do you believe would really speed things up the most?
06:25And how soon could it have an impact?
06:27What is very promising is that we see that in many countries
06:30there are existing policy frameworks in place already.
06:33So if I had to give one recommendation of what countries can do quickly
06:36to accelerate progress in terms of energy efficiency,
06:39is to take those existing policies that they have and raise the ambition on those.
06:44And that's often one of the most fast and effective ways to raise efficiency progress.
06:49And that can be done in the building sector, in the industry sector and in the transport sector.
06:53Lastly, Lucas, the IEA's World Energy Outlook 2025 warns that energy security risks
06:59now come from both fossil fuel markets and critical minerals for clean energy.
07:04Which of these, in your opinion, is more urgent and needing to be prioritized by governments today?
07:09We often joke a little bit, but call energy efficiency the first fuel here at the IEA.
07:14And I think for many of the challenges that governments face at the moment,
07:18whether that's affordability, energy security, like you mentioned, or competitiveness,
07:22energy efficiency can play a role in addressing all of those challenges.
07:25So I think it's important for countries to realize that, to unlock those benefits,
07:30and then hopefully accelerate progress.
07:32And there we have to leave our conversation, Lucas.
07:35But thank you so much for joining me from Paris today.
07:37It was great to speak to you.
07:38Thank you very much, Rebecca.
07:39And thank you for Energy Frontier for having me.
07:41It was a pleasure.
07:42Well, that is a wrap of our show.
07:44I very much hope that you enjoyed it.
07:46And for more episodes in the Energy Frontier series, just head to euronews.com.
07:51Thanks again for watching, and I'll see you soon.
07:55Thank you.
