00:00What's your reading? Is this government's not doing enough to tackle anti-Semitism or do you agree with what Gideon is saying?
00:09I really respected Gideon's view. I'm not close to what's going on in Australia. I've been affected by terrorism myself, not something I talk about a lot.
00:19I lost my brother in the Bali bombing in 2001 and became very close to many Australians because they were affected by that terrorist attack as well.
00:32My reflections back on that and comparing it with today is the difference between hatred, which you do get, and that's very sad in its own right.
00:40It needs to be tackled. We see that here in the streets of London as well, over what's going on in the Middle East with Gaza and Israel.
00:48But then there's the indoctrination that somehow you will get a free pass to paradise, that somehow, because you are radicalized in this way, that you'll be rewarded for killing people in heaven.
01:06And that is the piece that concerns me here, is that this war on terror that President Bush declared many, many years ago has never been won.
01:14We've never really got to the bottom of jihadi extremism and how it actually is operating today, right across the world in Africa, in Boko Haram, al-Shabaab, for example.
01:28ISIS-K, Afghanistan is going that road as well, and in other areas, including Philippines and in Asia too.
01:34So there is a wider concern that the ability to indoctrinate, particularly then using what's going on in the Middle East, then to advance and make your cause heard is concerning as well.
01:46That's something I think all of us, every single nation, needs to grasp.
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