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00:00Let's return to our main story this afternoon, surrounding the Queen's health.
00:07Queen is under medical supervision at Balmoral.
00:15I know I speak on behalf of the entire House when I say that we send our own best wishes to Her Majesty the Queen.
00:22Senior members of the Royal Family have now gathered at Balmoral after she was placed under medical supervision.
00:30We are interrupting our normal programme to bring you some very important news.
00:37Buckingham Palace has announced the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
00:42News came through just a few minutes ago.
00:45Britain's longest reigning monarch.
00:48We have to pause for a moment here.
00:55Our hearts and our thoughts go to the family members of the Queen, the people of the United Kingdom.
01:05Some events seem to make the world stand still.
01:09The Queen's death after 70 years on the throne was marked by a solemn state funeral.
01:23I was at Windsor to report on the final stages of the ceremony.
01:28So this is the last glimpse of the sovereign's coffin.
01:39It was while I was there that I made an interesting discovery about how the institution of monarchy seeks to control its image.
01:48The palace issuing instructions to the broadcasters about scenes in the broadcast which they can't ever use again.
02:01And they're quite small things. I mean for the funeral for instance this is how it came through.
02:06At 4.20, the crown being handled.
02:12Can't be shown again.
02:14At 4.47, I won't say who but somebody looking visibly upset.
02:20Shouldn't be shown again.
02:23Prince George touching his nose.
02:28Edward and Sophie's handkerchiefs.
02:31Edward and Sophie.
02:33At the lying in state, shouts of the royal family.
02:35Our father.
02:36Mouthing the Lord's prayer.
02:38Hallowed be thy name.
02:40These little excisions from reality are called by the palace perpetuity edits.
02:48It's kind of George Orwell speak.
02:49Perpetuity edits.
02:51And lead us not into temptation.
02:54They remove from the world anything they don't particularly like.
02:58The power of the people.
02:59Never to be seen again.
03:00for ever and ever. Amen.
03:04Of course, it is a bit confusing because on the one hand,
03:08this is a family funeral of a mother and grandmother,
03:12and you could argue they have the right to grieve in private.
03:17On the other hand, it's been turned into a state occasion
03:20because the Queen was our head of state,
03:22and this is her public funeral.
03:25Do we have a right to see it all,
03:27or do they have the right to control what we see?
03:33It happened. It's reality.
03:36But no longer. It's cut out.
03:40Queen Victoria was the first British monarch
03:43to be photographed by motion picture cameras.
03:47And Pete George V, the sailor king.
03:50Every monarch has understood that what matters
03:53is the impression they make on their subjects.
03:57Their image.
03:59They live and breathe image.
04:02They thrive on the oxygen of public support.
04:06Because, of course, it's the key to their survival.
04:10The Queen always used to say,
04:11I need to be seen to be believed.
04:15Over the years I've reported on the family,
04:18they've tried their utmost to control how we see them.
04:22But it's not always easy.
04:26There have been scandals,
04:28startling interviews.
04:31That definitely wasn't you getting a foot massage
04:33in Jeffrey Epstein's house.
04:34No.
04:36And sometimes they've lost touch with the public.
04:40I think it's disgusting that they have not peered or said a word.
04:42But in a fast-changing world,
04:45what I want to know is,
04:46can they keep up?
04:47The royal family is a brand.
04:50There is always a sense of needing to keep the brand popular.
04:54What lengths will they go to to survive?
04:58If you ever took public support for granted,
05:01it would be a very bad day.
05:04And will they succeed?
05:06God save the king!
05:21Tonight is a unique occasion in television history.
05:25BBC One has the privilege of presenting the world premiere of Royal Family.
05:29This was one of the boldest attempts the royal family has ever made
05:38to redefine its image.
05:40There can be few people in the world who are so famous
05:43for a job they haven't even started.
05:46When he does start,
05:47Prince Charles will be the 64th sovereign
05:49in a family line stretching back over 1,000 years.
05:54In 1969, for the first time,
05:57they invited cameras into the heart of family life.
06:03So far, very few people have ever seen what the job entails.
06:07But now we can.
06:09We can follow his mother, the present queen, through a year.
06:13Where shall we start?
06:14Weird commentary. Where shall we start?
06:17Oh, we'll start at the beginning.
06:18Are you sitting comfortably?
06:20Then I'll begin.
06:22Here she is.
06:27The film was a perfectly sensible attempt
06:30to try and humanise the royal family
06:33because I think they thought the queen in particular
06:35had appeared rather aloof.
06:37Tell the comma, obviously that's all right.
06:39That's all right.
06:41There was a feeling among the people around her
06:45that it would be good to show she was a real human being.
06:49She was a mother to her children,
06:51she was a wife to her husband.
06:53What we'll do is make a film about it.
06:54What are you going to have?
06:57Good morning.
06:58I like a cream.
06:59I like a cream.
07:00Ice cream.
07:00This is what you really would like to do.
07:01Yes, you always go straight to the ice cream.
07:03Yes.
07:04Well, would you like to go and get some, get some?
07:06The idea of the queen actually going into a shop,
07:09I mean, it was famous.
07:10She never handled money.
07:11It's a change.
07:12So when they said that'll be three and sixpence,
07:14how did she know what to do?
07:16Oh, I don't know what the money is.
07:19Anyway, she seemed to do it all right.
07:20Thank you very much.
07:22Of course, the whole thing is set up for the cameras.
07:27This is royal reality television.
07:31Always a bit contrived and a difficult trick to pull off.
07:41The public lapped it up.
07:44After two broadcasts,
07:46it had almost twice as many viewers
07:48as the moon landing just a few weeks later.
07:54There's a sequence that shows how obsessed
07:56the royal family itself is with its own image.
08:02They're on a visit to Brazil,
08:03and on the flight back,
08:05one of her staff comes and shows her
08:07the coverage in the papers in Brazil.
08:09This man never said anything.
08:10And she looks animatedly at it.
08:12Oh, there, I'm doing this, there, I'm doing that.
08:13And there are one or two pictures
08:15of the embassy reception and the samba.
08:17Oh, yes, look at all the dogs.
08:19Pleased that, you know,
08:20it's a full-page spread of the royal visit.
08:22It looks spectacular.
08:24Not nearly so nice.
08:25If it wasn't a full-page spread,
08:28there'd be no point in going.
08:29I mean, the whole point is the imagery.
08:33What's this for?
08:34Well, it's for helping things,
08:36you know, turning things over.
08:37You know, sausages on a barbecue.
08:40There couldn't be anything more normal.
08:42But there's always a slight danger.
08:46If the monarch becomes too normal,
08:49they'll be seen as just like anybody else.
08:51The salad is ready.
08:52May not preserve that distance between us and them.
08:57Perhaps it was because
08:58this didn't make her seem regal enough.
09:01Or maybe it was because the film was just a bit dated.
09:04A few years later, the queen ordered
09:06that it should never be seen again.
09:08It's a perfect example
09:13of how they can present themselves
09:15as they want to be seen.
09:16Total control and ownership of the image.
09:19But it's not always that easy.
09:27Events can be unpredictable
09:29and so can people.
09:33It is announced from Buckingham Palace
09:35that, with regret,
09:37the prince and princess of Wales
09:38have decided to separate.
09:39Diana's marriage had been presented
09:44as a fairy tale.
09:47A picture of marital bliss.
09:50I pronounce that they be man and wife together.
09:54But she turned out to be the great disruptor.
10:01Were you Charles and Diana's sole press person?
10:04Yes, I was.
10:05What was it like?
10:06Interesting question.
10:11What was it like?
10:13It wasn't easy.
10:17People wanted Diana.
10:18That's all they wanted.
10:22Diana would go one side
10:23and there'd be cheers.
10:25Charles would go the other side
10:26and there'd be groans.
10:29Why do you think Diana
10:30had such a strong appeal?
10:32You know, the royals
10:33are being criticised in the past
10:37for not showing emotion in public.
10:40Diana was able to show emotion.
10:43If she wanted to cry
10:44or she wanted to hold somebody's hand,
10:46she did.
10:48You were there
10:48in a period of obvious conflict
10:50between the two
10:51and you were representing both of them.
10:53There was an obvious conflict
10:54between both of them.
10:56But the state of the marriage
10:59was not up for discussion.
11:02If somebody telephoned and said,
11:04can you tell us
11:04what the state of the marriage is?
11:07We'd tell them to go away.
11:08There was no comment.
11:14No comment.
11:16The age-old rule,
11:18never complain,
11:19never explain.
11:20But it couldn't last.
11:27Diana was working in secret
11:29with a journalist
11:30on a tell-all book
11:31about the breakdown
11:32of her marriage.
11:34Palace officials refused
11:35to comment on whether
11:36they had a copy of the book
11:37or whether top libel lawyers
11:39were examining the text.
11:42Who do you think is to blame
11:43for the actual separation?
11:44I think Charles is to blame.
11:46She should have stuck by him
11:47through thick and thin.
11:48It's supposed to be
11:49a role model for society.
11:50I certainly think the press
11:52have a lot to answer to this.
12:00Backed into a corner,
12:02Charles felt he needed
12:04to tell his side of the story.
12:09So he made a documentary film
12:11as it happens with my brother,
12:14Jonathan.
12:16This is the story
12:17of the Prince of Wales today.
12:19What he does,
12:20what he thinks,
12:21what he believes,
12:22what he feels.
12:24The idea was to present him
12:27as he wanted to be seen.
12:31A cultured man.
12:36Passionate about nature
12:38and about his family.
12:41It was the same technique the family
12:44had used decades before.
12:48But there was one awkward issue
12:51that couldn't be avoided.
12:54Until now,
12:56the Prince has not spoken
12:57about the collapse of his marriage.
12:59I remember talking to Jonathan about it
13:01and he actually said to Charles,
13:05I'm going to have to ask you about this.
13:07You do realise that.
13:08Did you try to be faithful
13:10and honourable to your wife
13:13when you took on the vow of marriage?
13:16Yes.
13:17Absolutely.
13:19And you were?
13:20Yes.
13:23Until it became
13:25irretrievably broken down.
13:27I mean,
13:30it's agonising,
13:31isn't it,
13:31to watch.
13:34You do feel
13:35really sympathetic
13:35for the poor prince
13:37when he's answering these questions.
13:38He's clearly
13:39kind of struggling
13:40for an answer.
13:41And the trouble is,
13:42you see,
13:42that these things,
13:43again,
13:43as I was saying earlier,
13:44are so personal.
13:47It's difficult to know
13:48quite how to,
13:49you know,
13:50to talk about these things.
13:51But because he's
13:52the Prince of Wales
13:53and because the newspapers
13:55were full of gossip
13:56about Camilla Parker Bowles,
13:58it is legitimate to ask.
14:00My brother, Jonathan,
14:01had to ask the question.
14:02You were,
14:03because of your relationship
14:04with Camilla Parker Bowles,
14:07from the beginning,
14:09persistently unfaithful
14:11to your wife.
14:13But even so,
14:14you know,
14:15if I'd have been Charles,
14:15I'd want to say,
14:16fuck off.
14:22Yesterday,
14:23there were 13 million viewers.
14:24Today is many judges.
14:26I thought he did very well there.
14:28He didn't impress me at all.
14:29I wouldn't have his job
14:30for a fortune.
14:31That's a fact.
14:33In the wake of the interview,
14:35while some supported the Prince,
14:38others were critical.
14:40I think there's a big question mark,
14:41which might mean
14:42it makes more sense
14:43to elect our head of state
14:44in the 21st century.
14:45I think it's terrible.
14:47I think it's a fault.
14:48The best thing that can happen
14:49is for the Queen
14:50to live for a very long time.
14:51As an attempt to win over
14:55public sympathy,
14:57I think it's fair to say
14:58it didn't exactly work.
15:02But it took a tragic shock
15:04that came out of the blue
15:06to force the family
15:08to rethink
15:10how they handle their image.
15:12We've interrupted our programmes
15:20for a news report.
15:24Within the last few moments,
15:26the Press Association in Britain,
15:29citing unnamed British sources,
15:31has reported that
15:32Diana, Princess of Wales,
15:33has died.
15:34I remember getting the news
15:40that she had been killed
15:41in the crash in Paris.
15:44And we were all summoned
15:45to the BBC
15:45to do immediate reaction.
15:48Stand by, then.
15:49Give me a second.
15:50What we had no inkling of
15:52at that time
15:53was what the public response
15:54would be.
15:55But it was quite clear
15:56that something astonishing
15:58was happening.
15:59Good evening.
16:00In this special programme,
16:01we're going to be paying tribute
16:02to Diana, Princess of Wales.
16:06It was a kind of outpouring
16:08of popular grief.
16:11Outside her home,
16:13Kensington Palace,
16:14and outside Buckingham Palace,
16:15crowds have gathered in mourning.
16:20All of you,
16:20you're ashamed of yourself
16:22to even be here.
16:22You have hounded it to death
16:24is what I want to say.
16:25You've lost a lovely person
16:27for nothing.
16:28You're horrible.
16:30You're doing a job here.
16:31So clearly there are
16:33genuinely mixed feelings,
16:34but you can't deny that there is
16:36serious anger
16:38and grief above all.
16:40You're just recording.
16:43And then the thing
16:44began to unravel
16:45because the press
16:46got hold of this idea
16:48that hundreds,
16:49thousands of people
16:50in London
16:50were bringing flowers
16:51and the royal family
16:53was up on their moral,
16:54apparently doing nothing.
16:56Perhaps she ought to show
16:57her sorrows about Lady Di
16:59and what a great loss it's been.
17:03I think it's disgusting
17:04that they have not peered
17:05or said a word.
17:08I think it must be
17:09very, very cold-hearted
17:10not to have a flag up.
17:11The press were quite
17:16harsh about
17:18the Queen's reaction.
17:20Show us that you care, ma'am.
17:21Those kind of headlines.
17:23What did you make of that?
17:24Yes.
17:25What I was trying to focus on
17:26and certainly my colleagues
17:29was
17:30what you do
17:32about this
17:33outpouring
17:35of emotion.
17:37A choice
17:40had to be made
17:41between
17:41looking after
17:42the two young princes
17:43and getting back
17:45to London.
17:51The Queen always used to say
17:52I need to be seen
17:54to be believed.
17:56And this is what
17:56monarchy is all about.
17:59If you're going to ignore
18:00the people
18:00they're going to ignore you.
18:02And then the question
18:03is beg
18:04do we need a monarchy?
18:07The royal couple
18:09spent moments
18:10taking in the scene
18:11and then began
18:12a walkabout
18:13and chatting briefly
18:14to people in the crowd.
18:16It was decided
18:17that it shouldn't be
18:18just the Queen
18:19and Prince Philip
18:20who thanked the mourners.
18:22They were to be joined
18:23by William
18:2415 years old
18:26and Harry
18:2712.
18:29We found out
18:31afterwards
18:31how difficult
18:32that was.
18:35Hundreds and hundreds
18:37of hands
18:37were thrust
18:39continually
18:39into our faces
18:40the fingers
18:42often wet
18:43from what I wondered
18:45tears
18:47I realised.
18:52Diana's funeral
18:53was also
18:54meticulously choreographed.
18:59William and Harry
19:00had to walk
19:01behind their mother's coffin
19:02two
19:03exposed to the full
19:04glare of publicity
19:05and just six days
19:07after her death.
19:10It seemed a lot
19:11to ask of two young boys.
19:13Several adults
19:14were aghast.
19:16Mummy's brother
19:16Uncle Charles
19:17raised hell.
19:19You can't make these boys
19:19walk behind their mother's coffin.
19:21It's barbaric!
19:23An alternative plan
19:24was put forward.
19:26Willie would walk alone.
19:28This alternative plan
19:29was sent up the chain.
19:30Back came the answer.
19:33It must be both princes.
19:35To go on a sympathy
19:36presumably.
19:38This was a lesson
19:39in the cruel demands
19:41of monarchy
19:42on those who belong to it.
19:44These two boys
19:44seemed to be being
19:46used to win back
19:47public sympathy
19:48after the initial response
19:51to Diana's death
19:52which had been seen
19:53as cold
19:54and uncaring.
19:55In retrospect
19:59in my view
20:01we got
20:01behind the story
20:03where we could have been
20:04actually
20:05slightly ahead of it.
20:07How would you have
20:07stayed ahead of the story?
20:09I think we could have
20:10made announcements
20:10about the Queen
20:12coming back to London
20:13and rather quicker
20:14but we were
20:15dealing with
20:17a lot of things
20:18that week.
20:18Was the palace
20:22I put it broadly
20:23surprised by the public
20:24reaction to her death?
20:26Yes
20:27probably
20:27but it was a catalyst
20:29for change
20:30I think.
20:35And so began
20:36what they hoped
20:37would be
20:37a new era
20:38for the family.
20:40Almost a year
20:41after the car crash
20:42which killed
20:43Diana
20:43Princess of Wales
20:44the Queen
20:44said that
20:45lessons
20:45must be learned
20:46from her life
20:47and the public
20:47response to her death.
20:49They recognised
20:50that the princess
20:50brought a new style
20:52to royalty.
20:53Change
20:53within the royal family.
20:55In recent months
20:56we've seen
20:57the Queen
20:57strategically placed
20:58outside McDonald's.
21:00We've witnessed
21:01her first visit
21:01to a pub
21:02while Prince Charles
21:04allowed himself
21:05to be chatted up
21:05by the Spice Girls.
21:09The lesson learnt
21:10was never again
21:11to get behind
21:13the story.
21:14And the first step
21:15to recruit
21:17more professional
21:18staff
21:18to improve
21:19the firm's
21:20public image.
21:24It was quite
21:25a sensitive time
21:27when I first
21:28got there
21:29and we wanted
21:30to try and move
21:31shift the agenda
21:32slightly
21:33to talk about
21:33the topics
21:35that he was
21:35interested in
21:36sustainability
21:37the environment.
21:39Painful then
21:39if you're trying
21:40to talk about
21:40the environment
21:41but everyone
21:41wants to talk
21:42about your mistress.
21:43It was a challenge
21:44but we dealt
21:46with it.
21:46Oh.
21:47As I told you
21:48by focusing
21:49on the topics
21:51building that
21:52relationship
21:52with the media
21:53so rather than
21:54the media
21:55always trying
21:56to snatch
21:56a picture here
21:57and there
21:57and not really
21:59getting the story
22:00direct
22:00what we tried
22:02what we tried
22:02to do
22:02was to allow
22:04the media
22:05a bit more
22:05access.
22:07Do you have the glasses
22:08on?
22:10I'm so proud
22:11of these glasses
22:12they make me go
22:13fast.
22:16Over the next few
22:17years the new
22:18team had its work
22:19cut out
22:20attempting to
22:23redefine the image
22:24of long
22:25established
22:25members of
22:26the family
22:27Your Royal
22:28Highness
22:28can you still
22:29be king
22:29following your
22:30confession?
22:32And of the
22:33younger
22:34Prince Harry
22:35pictured in a
22:36hotel suite
22:36wearing nothing
22:37at all
22:38but they had
22:39new arrivals
22:40to exploit
22:42with this
22:42ring I'd be
22:43wet
22:43and most
22:44difficult of
22:45all
22:45bit by bit
22:46they persuaded
22:47the public
22:48to accept
22:49Charles'
22:49former mistress
22:50as a fully
22:52paid up
22:52member of
22:53the firm.
22:54They're telling
22:54the world
22:55we're a couple
22:55and you better
22:56accept it.
23:02The journey
23:03from the
23:04third person
23:05famously in
23:05that marriage
23:06didn't just
23:07happen
23:08that was
23:09curated and
23:10choreographed
23:11very carefully
23:12over time
23:13certain appearances
23:16where the
23:16press would be
23:17feeding certain
23:19stories
23:20monitoring the
23:21popular mood
23:22popular opinion.
23:24Camilla Parker
23:25Bowles is now
23:26a woman with
23:26a voice
23:27that in itself
23:28is going to
23:28alter the way
23:29the British
23:30public perceive
23:30her.
23:31Gradually
23:32gradually
23:32until such
23:33time where
23:34it became
23:34more and more
23:35accepted
23:35for Charles
23:36and Camilla
23:36to be seen
23:37together
23:37and then of
23:38course
23:38ultimately
23:39married.
23:39Charles and
23:41Camilla
23:42married and
23:43with the
23:43blessing of
23:44the Church
23:44of England.
23:45His former
23:46lover and
23:46mistress
23:46now his
23:47wife.
23:50But their
23:50most creative
23:51achievement
23:52was to
23:53conjure up
23:54a version
23:54of the late
23:55Queen
23:55unlike anything
23:57we'd seen
23:58before.
23:58the final
24:04stage of
24:04the Queen's
24:05reign was
24:05all about
24:06perhaps learning
24:07the lessons
24:08from that
24:08period
24:08perhaps
24:09adjusting
24:10perhaps
24:10recovering
24:11and slowly
24:13rebuilding
24:13to the extent
24:15where in her
24:15final years
24:16she was able
24:18very prudently
24:19from time
24:19to time
24:20very very
24:20successfully
24:21to as it
24:22were cash
24:23in some
24:23of those
24:23carefully
24:24accumulated
24:24chips.
24:25The James
24:28Bond idea
24:29it was the
24:30fusing of
24:31two great
24:31sort of
24:32British
24:32brands
24:33but making
24:34sure that
24:35the Queen
24:35has the
24:35final line
24:37you know
24:37the sort
24:37of payoff.
24:38what was so
24:45special about
24:46her sense
24:46of theatricality
24:47she was
24:48sort of
24:4899%
24:50rule maker
24:51and sort
24:52of 1%
24:53a little bit
24:54iconoclastic
24:55sort of being
24:56prepared just
24:57very very
24:58occasionally
24:58never mind
24:59for example
25:00with the
25:00Paddington
25:01thing to
25:01shake things
25:02up.
25:02You can
25:07see it
25:08for yourself
25:08this Queen
25:09with Paddington
25:10bear
25:10couldn't
25:11be more
25:11different
25:12from the
25:12one we
25:13saw
25:13after
25:14Diana's
25:14death.
25:15Perhaps
25:16you would
25:16like a
25:17marmalade
25:17sandwich.
25:18She could
25:18be fun.
25:19I keep
25:20mine in
25:20here.
25:21And
25:22warm.
25:24For
25:25later.
25:28This
25:29is a
25:30new image
25:31that
25:31any PR
25:32company
25:32would
25:32envy.
25:33That's
25:34very
25:34kind.
25:35Grandmother
25:36to the
25:37nation.
25:38In the
25:38later years
25:39of the
25:39Queen's
25:40life
25:40Buckingham
25:41Palace
25:41had
25:41become
25:41really
25:42good
25:42at
25:42creating
25:43this
25:43sympathetic
25:44image
25:45of
25:45monarchy.
25:47But it
25:48didn't stop
25:49them when
25:49they felt
25:49it was
25:50necessary
25:50still
25:51finding
25:52ways
25:52of
25:53managing
25:53the
25:54image
25:54which
25:54was
25:55a bit
25:56more
25:56covert.
25:57You
25:58could
25:58even
25:58say
25:58a bit
26:00ruthless.
26:01I
26:09remember
26:10I
26:10just
26:10happened
26:11to be
26:11in
26:11Brixton
26:12in
26:12South
26:12London
26:13and I
26:15couldn't
26:15understand
26:16what was
26:16going on.
26:17There were
26:17crowds
26:17everywhere
26:18and
26:18police
26:19and I
26:20just
26:20thought
26:20goodness
26:21what's
26:21happening?
26:22And
26:23then I
26:23realised
26:23that it
26:24was
26:24Meghan
26:24and
26:25Harry
26:25and
26:29it
26:29just
26:29brought
26:29the
26:29streets
26:30to a
26:30stop.
26:31I
26:33thought
26:33well
26:33look
26:34at
26:34that.
26:35There
26:36was so
26:36much
26:36interest
26:37from
26:37different
26:38ages
26:39different
26:39ethnicities
26:40people.
26:41It
26:41was the
26:42dawn
26:42of a
26:42new
26:43era
26:43for
26:44the
26:44royal
26:44family.
26:46After
26:47weeks
26:48of
26:48fevered
26:48speculation
26:49came
26:49confirmation
26:50that
26:50Prince
26:51Harry
26:51popped
26:52the
26:52question.
26:54There
26:55was
26:55huge
26:56enthusiasm
26:56for this
26:57wedding.
26:58For a
26:58lot of
26:59people
26:59the
26:59royal
26:59family
27:00represents
27:01a sense
27:01of
27:01British
27:02identity
27:02and
27:02until
27:02now
27:03that
27:03has
27:03been
27:03an
27:03identity
27:04very
27:05much
27:05linked
27:05to
27:05whiteness
27:06in
27:06many
27:06people's
27:06perceptions.
27:07So I
27:07think
27:07the
27:07visual
27:08and
27:08symbolic
27:08change
27:09that
27:10Meghan's
27:10entry
27:10to
27:11that
27:11family
27:11represents
27:11is
27:11actually
27:12quite
27:12profound.
27:15I
27:15think
27:16people
27:16felt
27:16this
27:16was
27:16like
27:17a
27:17blast
27:19of
27:19fresh
27:19air
27:20into
27:20a
27:20rather
27:21stuffy
27:21royal
27:21family
27:22and
27:22then
27:23it
27:23all
27:23went
27:23wrong.
27:26Public
27:27opinion
27:27was
27:28that
27:28anyone
27:29who
27:29comes
27:29along
27:29and
27:30marries
27:30one
27:30of
27:30our
27:30princes
27:31should
27:32behave
27:32like
27:32a
27:33princess.
27:33And
27:36Meghan
27:37wasn't
27:37necessarily
27:38going to
27:38behave
27:38like
27:39a
27:39princess.
27:41What
27:42happened
27:42was that
27:43she
27:44turned
27:44out
27:44to be
27:45a
27:45touch
27:46difficult
27:46and
27:48these
27:48stories
27:49have
27:50a
27:50habit
27:51of
27:51leaking
27:51out
27:51which
27:52they
27:52duly
27:53did.
27:53Meghan
27:54Markle
27:54is
27:54the
27:55favourite
27:55target
27:56of
27:56the
27:56British
27:56media.
27:58Meghan
27:58seems
27:59to
27:59have
27:59moved
27:59from
28:00the
28:00nation's
28:01heroine
28:01to
28:01the
28:02nation's
28:02villain.
28:03A lot
28:04of
28:04people
28:04have
28:04labelled
28:04them
28:04hypocrites
28:05because
28:05they've
28:06taken
28:06four
28:07private
28:08jet
28:08flights
28:09in
28:09just
28:0911
28:10days.
28:11The
28:12amount
28:12of
28:13stuff
28:13about
28:13the
28:13royal
28:14family
28:14that
28:14comes
28:14out,
28:15the
28:15amount
28:16of
28:16briefing
28:16that
28:17goes
28:17on
28:17is
28:17very
28:18difficult
28:18to
28:18penetrate.
28:19Where
28:19does
28:19the
28:20briefing
28:20come
28:20from?
28:21It
28:21is
28:21part
28:21of
28:21the
28:22job.
28:22They
28:22have
28:22comms
28:23teams,
28:24people
28:24who
28:24give
28:25off
28:25the
28:25record
28:25briefings.
28:26The
28:27palace
28:28has
28:29for
28:29most
28:31of
28:31the
28:31century
28:32worked
28:32out
28:33that
28:33it
28:34needs
28:34to
28:34get
28:34the
28:34press
28:35on
28:35side.
28:40These
28:41unofficial
28:42briefings,
28:43strictly
28:43off the
28:44record,
28:44were a
28:44lesson
28:45they'd
28:45learnt
28:45from
28:45their
28:46failure
28:47to
28:47manage
28:48the
28:48rift
28:48between
28:49Charles
28:49and
28:50Diana
28:50in
28:51the
28:51way
28:51they'd
28:51have
28:51liked.
28:55It's
28:56a two-way
28:56street.
28:57The
28:57press,
28:57of course,
28:58in all
28:58its
28:58forms,
28:59gorge
28:59on the
29:00royals
29:00to
29:01get
29:01viewers
29:02to
29:02sell
29:02newspapers,
29:03nowadays
29:03to
29:04get
29:04clicks,
29:05but
29:05the
29:05royals
29:06need
29:06the
29:07press
29:07just
29:07as
29:08much
29:08as
29:08long
29:09as
29:09it
29:09tells
29:09the
29:09story
29:10that
29:10they
29:11want
29:11told.
29:12It's
29:13a
29:13dark
29:14art
29:14which
29:15aroused
29:16Harry's
29:17suspicions.
29:20Who
29:20could have
29:20planted
29:21such a
29:21thing?
29:22Who
29:22could have
29:22leaked
29:23it to
29:23the
29:23press
29:23in
29:23the
29:24first
29:24place?
29:25Willie
29:25leaned
29:25back
29:26and
29:26conceded
29:26that
29:27while
29:27we'd
29:27been
29:28on
29:28tour
29:28in
29:28Australia,
29:29he
29:29and
29:29Kate
29:30had
29:30gone
29:30to
29:30dinner
29:30with
29:30Pa
29:31and
29:31Camilla
29:31and
29:32alas,
29:33he said
29:33sheepishly,
29:34he might
29:35have let
29:35it slip
29:36that there
29:36had been
29:36strife
29:37between
29:37the two
29:37couples.
29:39I put
29:39a hand
29:40over my
29:40face.
29:42Meg
29:42froze.
29:44A heavy
29:45silence
29:45fell.
29:47So now
29:47we knew.
29:54After,
29:54they say,
29:55trying and
29:57failing to
29:57speak to
29:58the
29:58Queen,
29:58Harry
30:00and
30:00Meghan
30:00made
30:01an
30:01unprecedented
30:02decision.
30:05The
30:06golden
30:06couple
30:07have
30:07decided
30:07they're
30:08quitting.
30:09It's
30:10astonishing.
30:10It's
30:11momentous.
30:13The
30:14response
30:15from the
30:15palace
30:16was swift
30:16and
30:17effective.
30:19Multiple
30:19sources
30:20at the
30:20palace
30:21have
30:21told
30:21the
30:21BBC
30:22no
30:23members
30:23of the
30:23royal
30:23family
30:24were
30:25consulted.
30:26There
30:26is
30:26talk
30:27of
30:27disappointment.
30:28There
30:29is
30:29talk
30:29of
30:29senior
30:30members
30:30of the
30:30royal
30:31family
30:31being
30:32hurt
30:33by the
30:34statement.
30:35And the
30:35openness
30:36is
30:37breathtaking.
30:37The
30:39story is
30:39given a
30:39very specific
30:40emphasis,
30:42focusing on
30:43the hurt
30:44it's done
30:44to the
30:45most respected
30:46member of
30:47the firm,
30:49the Queen
30:52herself.
30:53The words I'm
30:54hearing from
30:55very senior
30:56sources is,
30:56this is no way
30:57to treat the
30:58Queen.
30:58The
31:02narrative of
31:03their acting
31:04against the
31:05Queen's
31:05wishes is
31:06picked up
31:07across the
31:07Atlantic.
31:09Tonight,
31:10for the
31:10first time,
31:12they tell
31:13their story.
31:17Did you
31:18blindside the
31:19Queen?
31:20No.
31:21I've never
31:21blindsided my
31:22grandmother.
31:22I have too
31:22much respect
31:23for her.
31:24So where
31:24did that
31:24story come
31:25from?
31:25I hazard
31:28a guess
31:28that it
31:29probably
31:29could have
31:30come from
31:31within the
31:31institution.
31:33This is
31:33Harry and
31:34Meghan trying
31:34to get us
31:35to see
31:35things as
31:36they see
31:36them,
31:37unfairly
31:38treated,
31:39deserving
31:39sympathy.
31:41But then
31:41they switch
31:43and they
31:44go on
31:44the attack.
31:46There are
31:46certain
31:46concerns and
31:47conversations
31:48about how
31:48dark his
31:49skin might
31:49be when
31:50he's
31:50born.
31:54What?
31:55And
31:56who
31:57is having
31:59that
32:00conversation?
32:01For my
32:01money,
32:02Oprah Winfrey
32:03is actually
32:03the star
32:04of this
32:04interview
32:05because she
32:05just
32:06completely
32:07over the
32:07top.
32:07And she
32:09gets all
32:09this stuff
32:10out of
32:10them.
32:10Hold up.
32:11Stop right
32:11now.
32:12There are
32:12several
32:12conversations
32:13about it.
32:13There's a
32:13conversation
32:14with you?
32:17With
32:17Harry.
32:18About
32:18how dark
32:20your baby
32:21is going
32:21to be?
32:22Potentially
32:23and what
32:23that would
32:24mean or
32:24look like.
32:25Inevitably
32:28the allegation
32:29caused
32:29consternation
32:31back at
32:31the palace
32:32and they
32:32had to
32:33respond.
32:34Can you
32:35just let
32:35me know
32:35is the
32:36royal family
32:36a racist
32:37family,
32:37sir?
32:38I'm very
32:38much not
32:38a racist
32:39family.
32:42Days
32:43later came
32:43a carefully
32:44calibrated
32:45response,
32:46a departure
32:46from the
32:47policy of
32:47never
32:48explain.
32:50From
32:50Buckingham
32:50Palace this
32:51evening,
32:51a statement
32:52about the
32:52Sussexes'
32:53TV interview
32:54from Her
32:55Majesty
32:55the Queen.
32:57The issues
32:57raised are
32:59concerning.
33:00While some
33:00recollections may
33:01vary, they are
33:03taken very
33:03seriously and
33:04will be
33:05addressed by
33:05the family
33:06privately.
33:09Three words
33:10casting doubt
33:12on the truth
33:13of what
33:13Meghan had
33:14said.
33:16Recollections
33:17may vary.
33:19British
33:20understatement
33:21on an epic
33:21scale and
33:23I think
33:23just made
33:24everyone
33:24think,
33:25ah,
33:27the
33:27unreliable
33:29narrator has
33:30entered yet
33:31again into
33:32the story of
33:33the royal
33:33family.
33:37Harry and
33:38Meghan may
33:38have been
33:39trying to
33:39curry favour
33:40in America,
33:42but the
33:42effect in
33:43Britain was
33:44quite the
33:45opposite.
33:45Part of being
33:46a royal is
33:47not complaining.
33:49I don't think
33:50it's particularly
33:50appropriate.
33:52I'm sorry,
33:52I don't believe
33:53a word she
33:53says,
33:54Meghan Markle.
33:54I wouldn't
33:55believe it if
33:56you read me a
33:56weather report.
33:57And the fact
33:57that she's
33:58fired up this
33:58onslaught against
34:00our royal family
34:01I think is
34:01contemptible.
34:04Harry and
34:04Meghan's
34:05credibility
34:05seemed to
34:06have been
34:07undermined.
34:09Their popularity
34:11certainly took
34:12a hit,
34:13while that of
34:13the Windsors
34:14was barely
34:15dented.
34:19When it came
34:19to image,
34:21the palace
34:21seemed to
34:22have cracked
34:23it.
34:28Just a light
34:29drizzle in
34:30the air,
34:30nothing more
34:31than that.
34:32It's a very
34:33cool day,
34:34and the
34:35king's
34:35procession,
34:36from Buckingham
34:37Palace to
34:37Westminster
34:38Abbey,
34:38will shortly
34:39begin.
34:42After the
34:43funeral of the
34:44queen,
34:44the coronation
34:45was designed
34:47to put the
34:47stamp of
34:48authority on
34:49the new
34:50king.
34:54But that
34:55same day,
34:56a rather
34:56different display
34:57was being
34:58prepared,
34:59a gathering
35:00of those who
35:01want to do
35:01away with
35:02the crown
35:02altogether.
35:05I've always
35:06been a
35:07Republican,
35:08even as a
35:09kid, I
35:09just thought
35:10this is
35:10silly.
35:11And as I
35:13got older
35:13and learned
35:14about politics
35:14and engaged
35:15with current
35:15affairs, I
35:16just thought
35:16this is not
35:17a serious
35:18way to run
35:18a country,
35:19and there's
35:20such a simple,
35:21honest way to
35:23do it, which
35:23is where you
35:24elect your
35:24head of state.
35:26The king in
35:27their ceremonial
35:28robes,
35:29acknowledging the
35:29crowd who'd
35:30been gathered
35:30here, some
35:31of them from
35:32two days ago.
35:36You should
35:37not have that
35:37family in that
35:38position of
35:39privilege and
35:39status.
35:39They are
35:41just a bunch
35:41of very
35:42ordinary
35:42people who
35:43just happen
35:43to be related
35:44to people
35:44that hundreds
35:45of years ago
35:46built big
35:47castles and
35:48won a few
35:48battles.
35:51Essentially,
35:51it's just a
35:52ridiculous
35:52institution,
35:53which makes
35:53no sense
35:54and has no
35:55justification.
35:57It's curious.
35:58You call it
35:58a ridiculous
35:59institution,
36:01and yet,
36:01over half
36:02the country
36:03clearly don't
36:04think it's
36:04ridiculous at
36:05all, but
36:05actually find
36:06it consoling
36:07and representative
36:08of the United
36:09Kingdom,
36:09maybe something
36:10better than
36:11politicians.
36:12I don't think
36:12that's really
36:13the case.
36:14If you look
36:14at polling
36:14around big
36:16events, royal
36:16events, only
36:179% in one
36:18poll, about a
36:21month leading
36:21into the
36:22coronation, said
36:23that they were
36:24very excited
36:24by the
36:24coronation.
36:28That is not
36:28a nation that
36:29is in love with
36:30the royal family
36:31or the monarchy.
36:32But hang on,
36:32the newspapers
36:33are full of talk
36:34about monarchy.
36:35They're talking
36:36to people who
36:37actually love the
36:38monarchy, fascinated
36:39by the monarchy,
36:41interested by it.
36:42Yes, there is
36:42an audience.
36:43There's also an
36:43audience for the
36:44Kardashians and
36:45for David Beckham
36:46and all sorts of
36:47other people.
36:47And the broadcast
36:48media, television,
36:49the BBC, radio,
36:51and all those,
36:52their coverage of
36:53monarchy is
36:53deluded as well,
36:54is it?
36:55It's not deluded,
36:55it's just reprehensible
36:57because they are
36:58covering it in a
37:00way which is at
37:01odds with their
37:01obligations to be
37:02impartial, to be
37:05critical.
37:06And this journey
37:06is exceptional
37:07and historic.
37:09They are wedded to
37:11the monarchy in a
37:11way which is wholly
37:12unhealthy.
37:14It's the best thing
37:15we've got in this
37:16country.
37:16Well, it is
37:17impossible not to
37:18get swept up quite
37:19literally in the
37:20enthusiasm here.
37:22Cheers!
37:22Just such a
37:23fantastic atmosphere.
37:25Everybody has made
37:26such an effort.
37:27Look at Louis.
37:28There is an
37:29artificial image that
37:30has been built up
37:31over the last 250
37:32years.
37:32And what a pretty,
37:33pretty sight.
37:34The marriages, the
37:35weddings, nice
37:36pictures of the
37:36children and all the
37:37rest of it.
37:37A momentous day.
37:39To defend an
37:40institution that
37:41serves those in
37:43the palaces and in
37:44government.
37:48Let's go to
37:4812.
37:51Charles committed
37:52to serve his
37:53people.
37:55Nicholas Winchell,
37:55BBC
37:56News.
37:57Maybe there is an
37:59issue here, especially
38:01when it comes to
38:02major broadcasters like
38:03the BBC.
38:05This is David
38:06Dimbleby.
38:07I'm on TX, whatever
38:09it is, on the proper
38:10side.
38:11I've spent much of my
38:12career commentating on
38:13royal occasions.
38:14Now the service
38:15begins.
38:16I, Andrew Albert
38:18Christian Edward.
38:19So those are the
38:19scenes outside Buckingham
38:21Palace.
38:22The Queen Mother and
38:24the Princess of Wales.
38:25I remember when I first
38:27started I was given
38:28strict instructions.
38:29These are BBC rules.
38:31If something happens
38:32which is not part of
38:34that event and the
38:35cameras happen to pick
38:36it up, like there's a
38:38disturbance or a
38:39demonstration, you're
38:41under instruction not to
38:42talk about it because
38:43you don't really know
38:44what's going on and you
38:45leave that to the news
38:47department, your business
38:49is to be part of that
38:52ceremony.
38:53And then the moment of
38:56the King's crowning.
38:57In a way it's a rather
38:58incestuous relationship.
39:00Buy that!
39:01Buy that!
39:03And we can even get to
39:04the point of actually
39:05helping create the event.
39:09I mean I remember my
39:10father telling the
39:11Archbishop of Canterbury
39:11when he lowered the crown
39:13onto Elizabeth's head to
39:15count two, three before
39:16he lowered it so we had
39:17a good shot.
39:21That's, you know, the
39:22commentator taking over
39:23the event.
39:24Well I didn't say we do
39:25that all the time but you
39:26are embedded in the event.
39:28Your job is to enhance
39:31the event and therefore
39:34to enhance the image of
39:36monarchy that the event
39:38portrays.
39:38You know if I'd been, for
39:46instance, doing the
39:46coverage of the
39:47coronation when the
39:48Archbishop sort of fumbles
39:49the crown onto Charles's
39:51head, I would have been
39:52terribly tempted to say
39:53that he looked like an
39:54assistant in a hat shop
39:56but I'd have been the end
39:59of my career if I had.
40:00God save the King!
40:02God save the King!
40:04That was an incredibly
40:07special moment, the
40:08weight of history as that
40:09crown was placed on his
40:10head.
40:12There is this absolutely
40:15codependent relationship
40:17between the media and the
40:18monarchy.
40:18There is no question that
40:22the monarchy is kept in
40:24power, for want of a better
40:25term, by the media.
40:27You know better than
40:28anyone the dance that goes
40:30on between the press and
40:31the palace, the media, the
40:32monarchy, what's made
40:33available, the quid pro
40:34quos.
40:35Ultimately it's about good
40:36behaviour and it's about
40:37doing the bidding of the
40:38palace.
40:39Justifiable?
40:41No.
40:42But why is it accepted?
40:43Well first of all is it
40:44known?
40:45Why is it not spoken about by
40:48the broadcasters?
40:49Why would, when you're
40:50doing live commentary of
40:53say the Queen's funeral,
40:55the broadcasters are being
40:56told by the palace what they
40:57can and cannot show?
41:00I mean the degree of
41:01control I think is
41:04staggering.
41:06If Downing Street were
41:07trying to control what's
41:09being broadcast, that would
41:11be reported upon.
41:13But if the palace is
41:14intervening in what's being
41:16shown about certain things,
41:17why is that not seen as
41:19something that should be
41:19reported?
41:23Edward and Sophie
41:24handkerchiefs.
41:26Prince George touching his
41:28nose.
41:30And this is a public event.
41:33And the palace is saying you
41:35must never show these bits
41:36again.
41:37And it happens regularly.
41:39Did you know that?
41:39No.
41:42What do you make of it?
41:43I mean it's perfectly valid for
41:47the palace to try it on, isn't
41:48it?
41:49I don't think it's valid for the
41:50BBC to take any notice.
41:53They do try to control their
41:55image, don't they?
41:57Well, they're bound to be very
41:57conscious of their image,
41:59inevitably.
42:00Were you aware of attempts to
42:02control the image of the royal
42:04family?
42:05No.
42:05Did you meet members of the
42:08royal family?
42:09Oh, you'd meet them because
42:10you're the director general of the
42:12BBC and it would just be pretty
42:14formal.
42:15Are you saying you never had any
42:17discussion with anyone at
42:19Buckingham Palace about the
42:20BBC's approach to the royal
42:24family or royal events?
42:25Never?
42:26Nothing?
42:26No.
42:26Silence?
42:27Total?
42:28Are you surprised by this?
42:30Yeah, I am a bit.
42:31You never came across it?
42:32No.
42:33Shots of the royal family
42:35mouthing the Lord's Prayer.
42:38Well, I presume somebody said
42:39to the press office, what is this
42:41about?
42:42Sensible from their point of
42:43view?
42:44It's very small beer and I'd be
42:46interested to know whether the
42:47royal family ever knew about
42:49this.
42:50My father was once called the
42:52high priest of the monarchy
42:53cult by a critic.
42:56Is that a fair description, not
42:57just of my father, but of the
42:59BBC, that we are the temple of
43:03the monarchy cult?
43:05No, I think the BBC reflects the
43:09mood of the nation.
43:10And I think if the mood of the
43:11nation was very anti-royalist, I
43:14think the BBC's coverage would
43:16change.
43:20Perhaps the mood of the nation is
43:23changing.
43:24The Duke of York wearing the robes of
43:27a knight of the garter.
43:29This is probably the last time Andrew
43:31would be seen taking part in a great
43:34state occasion.
43:35Making a brief appearance in public.
43:38It's hard to remember that once he was a
43:41figure of fun.
43:42I wanted to ask you one thing in
43:44particular because you've been landed
43:45with it.
43:46This nickname, Randy Andy.
43:50I'll tell you exactly where that
43:51originated from.
43:53My second day at public school.
43:56Are you 14, 15 years old?
43:57I'm afraid so.
43:59I was unfortunate enough in my early
44:02days at Gordonstone not to realise the
44:05rules of the house, which were that you
44:06weren't allowed in the girl's house.
44:09I don't believe it.
44:10That's absolutely true.
44:11And I was unfortunately caught going
44:13through a door in the girl's house,
44:14saying hello to somebody.
44:15And it stuck.
44:16It was always understood that Andrew,
44:21with no prospect of taking the throne,
44:24was allowed to be a playboy.
44:27Until his playing turned sour.
44:33From 2011, Andrew was dogged by
44:37allegations that refused to go away.
44:40He was accused of sexual assault by
44:44Virginia Dufresne.
44:45Dufresne claimed Andrew knew she was
44:48just 17 when he sexually abused her
44:50on multiple occasions.
44:52He knows exactly what he's done,
44:54and I hope he comes clean about it.
44:57Dufresne was a victim of a sex
44:59trafficking ring of underage girls
45:01run by Andrew's friend, Jeffrey Epstein.
45:06But for nearly a decade, the palace
45:08kept Andrew on display at royal events,
45:12never explaining, just denying,
45:14any involvement, as Andrew himself continues to do.
45:22We're ready.
45:24You don't mind coming round the corner.
45:27Andrew decided it was time to clear his name.
45:30And just as his brother had tried to win public approval years before,
45:38Andrew perhaps naively thought he could get the public on side
45:42if he could just explain things in his own words.
45:45Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein?
45:49Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming?
45:57Yes.
45:58Unbecoming? He was a sex offender.
46:00Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm being polite, in the sense that he was a sex offender.
46:04In a legal deposition, 2015, she said she had sex with you three times.
46:10Once in a London house, once in New York at Epstein's mansion,
46:15and once on his private island in a group of seven or eight other girls.
46:22No.
46:23The interview has been heard with incredulity in some quarters,
46:30and one suspects with something close to despair within the royal household.
46:34Events now spun out of control for the palace.
46:38Tonight, Britain's royal family is in full damage control mode.
46:42The queen finally acted, trying to distance the family from the scandal.
46:47The prince announced he would step back from public duties for the foreseeable future.
46:53But it took another two years before she started stripping him of at least some of his titles.
46:59A statement from Buckingham Palace said,
47:02With the queen's approval and agreement,
47:04the Duke of York's military affiliations and royal patronages have been returned to the queen.
47:10Several charities, companies and organisations the prince supports have said
47:14they're looking to sever ties with him.
47:15I think many people would regard him as a liability,
47:19and frankly, what charity would want him?
47:26But while everyone else was cutting ties with Andrew,
47:30the queen still put a protective arm around her son.
47:37Remember this joyful moment?
47:39As the queen prepared to drum along here over a jolly tea with Paddington Bear,
47:46all sweetness and light,
47:48lawyers were negotiating a settlement to silence Andrew's accuser in time for the celebrations.
47:53The duke of York has settled the sex assault case for undisclosed sum of money.
48:08Questions still to be answered.
48:13We don't know how much they paid.
48:15We don't know how much she got.
48:17We don't know where the money came from.
48:19It said the queen paid some of it.
48:21We don't know whether she paid some or all,
48:23whether it came from the royal coffers.
48:24It was all hushed up.
48:25The Telegraph speculates that the queen will help her son to pay more than £12 million.
48:30The trouble is with a settlement like this is that there will always be this implication of guilt,
48:36even though he protests his innocence.
48:40When it came to Andrew, the queen seemed to have misread the public mood.
48:48Prince Andrew accompanying his mum, the queen, to Prince Philip's memorial service.
48:53His first appearance in public since his enforced withdrawal from royal life.
48:57I think there were a lot of eyebrows raised.
49:02He was sort of front and centre.
49:05Lots of questions being asked about her decision to have Prince Andrew
49:09escorting his mother to and from Westminster Abbey.
49:14The queen, who ought to be defending the monarchy,
49:17seemed to be keener to defend him.
49:21Andrew seems to have been the queen's weak point.
49:25He was her favourite son.
49:27But this man who's in robust health, hanging about,
49:33being a constant reminder, that is a problem.
49:38There can sometimes be a conflict between being a loving mother,
49:42a loving grandmother, and being a dutiful monarch.
49:45And it is, after all, a family, and different rules apply.
49:54If you're head of a family in the public gaze,
49:58then that adds extra attention.
50:00Some are saying it's a sign of the queen's support for her son.
50:13I don't think this is going to be anywhere near any recovery for Prince Andrew,
50:18because he'll be dogged by this story for the rest of his life.
50:22Prince Andrew should share everything he knows about the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
50:26What worried the palace was that Parliament,
50:30which had always steered clear of talking about monarchy,
50:34might decide enough was enough.
50:36This house needs to properly scrutinise the Crown Estate.
50:40How long have you learned about Andrew and Epstein?
50:43Yes!
50:43The Andrew saga continued to damage the institution,
50:51which left Charles with few options other than to respond.
50:55Prince Andrew will no longer be Prince Andrew.
51:01Prince Andrew will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
51:06It's taken 14 years after allegations against him first came to light
51:12to reach this point.
51:15I believe that this decision itself should have been made in 2019.
51:19Yes.
51:20Yes.
51:20Yes.
51:24Whether it puts an end to the matter remains to be seen.
51:29What about William and Catherine's involvement in this?
51:33Online, there is a lot of vibe around that angle.
51:37Yeah, I think that's absolutely right.
51:39I mean, there's no question he's had a role to play
51:41and he's been in his father's ear.
51:43I don't think it's a secret that he wasn't keen on his Uncle Andrew.
51:49What part William played in the decision, we'll never really know.
51:52But at the funeral of the Duchess of Kent,
51:55the heir to the throne appeared to be snubbing his uncle in public,
52:00perhaps a sign of his trying to create a fresh, new image,
52:04fit for a king.
52:09And here he is.
52:12William, in his very latest attempt to communicate to us
52:16what he's all about.
52:19Eugene, good morning.
52:20Your Royal Highness must see you.
52:25It's a clever idea to have William arrive on a scooter.
52:28Very informal.
52:29This is your mode of transportation.
52:31It is right here.
52:32Because the image getting across is William's just an ordinary Joe.
52:36Oh, I see.
52:37And I'm always late,
52:38so I thought this was the way to keep my meetings on time.
52:42Like son, like father.
52:45The programme's another version of what the family did
52:48when they let cameras in on royal life,
52:50the first time round.
52:52And indeed, the second.
52:54I was a big fan of your earlier films, Eugene,
52:56and all the American pies were big.
52:57Uh-oh.
52:58Yeah, I'm afraid I was there.
52:59I was with that generation.
53:00He's not talking to an interviewer who's going to probe him.
53:03He's talking to a Canadian comedian
53:06who's actually fulfilling a bucket list
53:08by meeting Prince William.
53:10Shall we head on in and have a look around?
53:13Would love to do that.
53:14Brilliant.
53:15Good.
53:15Can I show you what's happening in some of this castle?
53:17Yes, let's do.
53:18I'll pop this up.
53:20It's all very much as I imagine William would want it.
53:24From out here, you can see Eton College.
53:29So that's where I went to school.
53:30So I was within a few miles of my grandparents.
53:34He makes a point of mentioning his closeness to the late Queen.
53:38And particularly being Windsor, for me, Windsor is her.
53:40So she loved it here.
53:41She's spent most of her time here.
53:45Viewers liked what they saw.
53:46And they sympathised when he opened up
53:55about his family's struggles with cancer.
53:59I'm, you know, I'm so proud of my wife and my father
54:01for how they've handled all of last year.
54:04My children are managed brilliantly as well.
54:06Are you optimistic?
54:07I am optimistic.
54:08I'm generally a very optimistic person.
54:10And Catherine is in remission now?
54:12Yes.
54:13Yes, which is wonderful.
54:15It's great news, exactly.
54:16This may be a kind of soft interview.
54:19It doesn't mean William hasn't thought out
54:21very carefully what he wants to say.
54:23He knows that every word,
54:25even in an interview with a Canadian comedian,
54:27will be poured over by people
54:29for indications of what kind of king he's going to be.
54:33I want to create a world
54:35in which my son is proud of what we do.
54:41That is caveated with,
54:43I hope we don't go back to some of the practices in the past.
54:46That, you know, Harry and I had to grow up in.
54:51And I'll do everything I can to make sure
54:53we don't regress in that situation.
55:00It sounds like the monarchy
55:02will be shifting in a slightly different direction.
55:07I think it's safe to say that change is on my agenda.
55:11I love the words, change is on my agenda.
55:14They're very dangerous words
55:16for the Prince of Wales to use.
55:18I embrace that and I enjoy that change.
55:20I don't fear it.
55:21I mean, what's the king going to say?
55:23And if I were the king,
55:25you know, I'd splutter over my morning coffee
55:28and say, what?
55:29What do you mean, change?
55:30I'm already changing.
55:31What changes are you thinking of?
55:33It's all very well to say change.
55:35It's not that easy to change.
55:39Survival, I suppose, is what William's thinking of.
55:42Survival of a monarchy suitable for the 21st century.
55:45I mean, it's incredibly difficult to inherit this job.
55:51Nobody in their right minds would want to be Prince of Wales.
55:55What kind of change is he talking about?
55:57Is he talking about change to the image of the royal family?
56:02Because at that, he's obviously been quite successful.
56:07William and Kate are the two most popular members of the royal family.
56:10Is he thinking in his own mind, you know, fewer courtiers,
56:17a bit less ceremonial at the coronation,
56:19don't want people calling me sir or bowing to me?
56:23Or is it, on the other hand, a radical rethink
56:26of how to position monarchy for the 21st century?
56:31Does he want to turn it more like some of the European monarchies?
56:36Where they can walk around in the street and people just say,
56:38Hi, William, how's things today?
56:42Are they more 21st century than our own?
56:44Some say they're cheaper and more accessible.
56:47Would the monarchy be better protected
56:48by not having as many hangers on?
56:50I think there are too many.
56:51I think we should sort of trim the bottom part of the tree.
56:56What's he going to do about the power of monarchy?
57:00The freedom from paying tax unless you want to?
57:04The huge amount of money that comes in from the two duchies?
57:07The duchy of Cornwall, why is it not taxed?
57:11The huge wealth of monarchy.
57:13Clearly, something does have to change if the monarchy is to survive.
57:20Those fundamental things may have to be looked at by William.
57:25And whether he's looking at them or not, we don't know,
57:29because all we know at the moment is,
57:32change is on my agenda.
57:34What change?
57:36That's what matters.
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