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En una entrevista exclusiva de 'Euronews', los principales representantes de Armenia y Azerbaiyán detallaron públicamente cómo un proceso de paz antaño impensable ha evolucionado hacia una estrategia compartida de estabilidad y transformación económica.
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00:00armenia and azerbaijan surprised the world with a historic peace agreement after decades of tragic
00:08war but the secret ingredients to what was called an impossible peace have never been made public
00:14but now euronews has the opportunity to sit down with two of the key actors to discuss it further
00:20in this edition of eurasia talks we're joined by armen gregorian the secretary of the security
00:26council of armenia and hikmet hajiev the assistant to the president of azerbaijan
00:32gentlemen thank you for joining us on this episode of eurasia talks i wanted to begin by asking you
00:41how did your first contacts happen and what made it possible to unblock the standoff that we've been
00:48seeing hikmet thank you uh to jane for the opportunity to talk and i remember our first
00:54good days when we come together and discussing our agenda of the peace it was right after the 2020
00:59military engagement we in brussels had a good chance to meet and with support and facilitation of our
01:06eu friends but since that time opens instruction of our leaders we had a one concrete agenda
01:11how we can advance the peace and also how we can put aside the disagreements that we had together
01:17and azerbaijan that time we over again demonstrated our good willingness and also initiative about an
01:24peace agenda and with our mayomanian colleagues also through other channels as well we were discussing
01:30advancement of the peace agenda together armen obviously with those um discussions you know
01:35what was it that your leadership and yourselves you know how did you come to the conclusion that peace
01:42was possible both in yerevan in bako i'm sure the leadership have been thinking how to bring peace and
01:50stability to the region my prime minister have been publicly very intensively talking how how much our
01:58society needs peace and uh we have been seeing that there is the same will in baku and we have been
02:06intensively working to that direction and here uh i think the first meeting was 21 22 uh between me and
02:16hikmet and now we are sitting here and discussing how to institutionalize the peace how to move forward
02:23in that context so the the success is great and we are also celebrating that we're here at the doha
02:30forum and obviously i heard you talking earlier and i think hikmet you refer to each other as colleagues
02:36that's a bold step forward and a real positive thing to use that terminology with each other in this
02:41journey together yeah really indeed uh uh with an armenian uh side and azerbaijan system of washington
02:48we are working on the concrete uh elements of the peace agenda that we have agreed in washington
02:53and azerbaijan demonstrates is in a full uh commitment that was an agenda that we have agreed
02:58one of the important topics on our agenda is about in a corridor and again we do hope that uh
03:03within a corridor from azerbaijan side is in a considered in a zengizur corridor and also not a
03:07trump corridor where we are working together for an implementation we think that it will change in
03:12a completely uh the uh transport uh map of the eurasian continent and also in armenia azerbaijan
03:18bring us together and working together and will also contribute to building a mutual uh economic
03:23dependence and in a broader sense it will also create uh the economic benefits of the peace agenda
03:30for uh both of our countries for our broader region but we also what we understood that then a
03:35peace is like a strategic commodity that we are delivering to the international community but in
03:40the meantime we cannot render ourselves to the comfort zone and we know where to uh institutionalize
03:45and solidify the peace on the ground and to maintain it and also uh to bring it to the future
03:51generations it requires a lot of hard work from both countries and also both societies but in the
03:56meantime what we see about in a full uh commitment from our countries to work on that dimension what is
04:01the realistic timeline for finalizing this peace deal the peace deal uh in abu dhabi discussions uh
04:07this year in summer we had an open and broad discussion with an armenian side and my president
04:12and armenian prime minister and also uh delegations that we're attending uh we discussed an important
04:18competence including the uh elements uh that uh still on our agenda outstanding issues i think that we
04:25are on the right track towards a complete uh you know signing of the uh peace agreement but more than
04:31that what i would like to highlight that we have a real peace on the ground what is an experience of
04:35international community shows that on many post-conflict situations and conflict situations there are
04:40agreements and arrangements on the paper but there is no real peace on the ground but we have a real
04:45peace on the ground de facto peace on the ground we should solidify it and we should strengthen it and
04:49also bring it to the future generations armen how would you describe the political relationship and
04:54atmosphere between the two countries all the agreements that we had anywhere uh all of them are in public
05:02and uh the peace process uh that uh have been in a process for for a long time i mean bilater we have
05:12been working towards the peace and actually we we will continue working on that direction uh with us but
05:19john first of all to sign the peace agreement and ratify it uh at the same time we consider unblocking
05:26very much important the big beautiful deal that we reached reached in washington and now we are trying
05:34to implement is very much important and part of that deal is uh trump root for international peace and
05:42prosperity the connectivity project that will bring uh economic benefit to the region we are working
05:49on that direction i hope we are now intensively discussing with americans uh the project
05:57implementation of the trip uh as soon as we finalize we will start uh implementation project i hope
06:04it will be very soon uh and uh after that uh the whole technical process will start uh and we will work on
06:14that direction to unblock the region to open the trip which is a very huge and very important historical
06:21project in our region so we continue to work on that direction uh really armenia-azerbaijan peace agenda
06:27we are also not acting in a diplomatic limbo we are also looking at the international experience and
06:32international precedent and good friday agreement between the in 1998 united kingdom and republic of ireland
06:39it also paved the way with the current status of the good relations between the two countries we are
06:44also making there a certain precedent from that and arrangements as well and looking forward for the
06:49resolution of one outstanding issue that's still matter of the concern of azerbaijan side i think
06:54that once it's resolved we will not have any longer any stumbling block on our agenda of the peace but
07:00nevertheless let me repeat it over the game that we have a real peace on the ground and currently working
07:05through the parameters of the strengthening of the peace with world powers competing for massive
07:12regional economic opportunities what are your strategies for each of your countries hikmet really
07:18our strategy is that not to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the competition or
07:23then a confrontation our agenda is to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the
07:27cooperation and engagement and a partnership think about armenia-azerbaijan peace agenda in the global
07:33context of the conflicts and wars at least one success story one chapter of the conflict is closed there
07:38is a real peace on the ground and we are also inviting all our international partners including
07:43the global powers they support our peace agenda on the ground whether it's in a connectivity projects
07:48whether it's a normalization between the two countries and also new economic partnerships and as
07:54armenia and azerbaijan we are working on the fundamental concept of the economic benefit of the peace
08:00i think that our international partners can also contribute to that look uh it's very much
08:04important that uh the the peace project is an inclusive process uh we don't try to exclude anyone
08:13in order to let them to fight it uh so this is very inclusive process uh in the context of the peace we
08:19have suggested the peace crossroad project which is about uh connectivity in the region and within that
08:27context by the way trip is part for for that project and uh in that context we are working to implement
08:34the project and see the regional uh partners engaging in that and seeing the unblocking of the region
08:43as an inclusive process that's very much important and i am sure that will bring more stability in the region
08:51and we don't see uh our region as a competing place because uh competition in a good sense of that economic
09:01from economic perspective it's good but from other perspectives sometimes it can very firstly damage to
09:08the countries that are living in the region so a little bit historically speaking the region of the
09:13souls caucuses historically and unfortunately it wasn't a battle space of the big empires and big powers now uh
09:20it's not related to the current state of the region but now azerbaijan at this from his side
09:25and i see the same willingness from the armenian side as well to transform the region and to make it
09:30marketplace investment place for the cooperation of everybody what guarantees can you give the
09:35people of your countries that this peace is going to last and their safety i think that uh uh
09:42our signature it matters a lot and it was in front of the international community in oval office
09:46my president and he declared azerbaijan's and over declared and azerbaijan's full commitment to the
09:52peace agenda for us wars and a conflict is over and sovereign and territorial integrity was a must
09:57for azerbaijan it has been restored and therefore uh such a uh full commitment to the washington agenda
10:04that we have agreed as a demonstration of our important political will and it's also a message to
10:09our society and also uh we have received with any message from our society as well right after
10:15in washington's there was a huge jubilation jubilation and also a positive reverberation in azerbaijan society
10:21about zana peace and people also supporting that the political uh establishment both in yerevan in baku
10:28they have strong will for the peace uh that was demonstrated before washington but also uh reconfirming
10:36once more in washington showing that there is a political will uh we also see as my colleague hikmet
10:43mentioned uh both in the society in armenia and in azerbaijan there is uh support to the peace we are
10:51sure that implementation of the regional projects like uh trip and other ones will increase uh interdependency
11:00and strengthen the peace and also uh economic benefits that both societies will have uh it will
11:08have an input in the long run to uh sustain the peace and strengthen the peace we are seeing that uh we
11:15are moving towards that direction and the proof of that is also that me and hikmet in doha forum also
11:22sitting in in your uh studio yes sitting in yours to the speaking about the uh economic benefits uh of the
11:33peace signals that uh we will have uh long term well you have both discussed the importance of that trip
11:40to washington and there's a very famous handshake in front of president trump what was the atmosphere
11:47like in that room could you have heard a pin drop you know what what was the feeling it was really i can
11:53as far as i can remember it was really jubilee's atmosphere yeah and for the uh you know last 30 years
11:58and both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the war and our peoples also suffered and
12:03finally we put a final nail to the call to the coffin of this conflict it's now over and it was
12:09also once again a demonstration of then a stronger political will and firm will and in this case we
12:14also highly appreciate the role of the president trump and american administration they also put in a
12:19political weight of the american government on their peace agenda in the same manner it also had a huge
12:25reverberation and spirit of the washington has a huge reverberation in azerbaijan society nevertheless
12:30there wasn't a time uh difference between the bakwa and washington this is that time but entire
12:35azerbaijan society uh was waiting for that and they were celebrating in a social media in media in
12:40azerbaijan in a sense it's coincided uh as in a public uh you know jubilation and also official uh full
12:47commitment of uh azerbaijanic government it was on a peace agenda think about one chapter of the
12:52the conflict on the international stage is over amen was it the same for armenia it was a celebration
12:57day and uh you know it's a big beautiful deal because everyone benefited from that armenia benefited
13:05azerbaijan benefited united states benefited and international community i'm sure in the long run
13:11will benefit that's why it's a deal because all sides benefited and it was a celebration as sigmit
13:18mentioned the time change time difference between uh yerevan and washington is similar as in baku
13:26and people were staying late night in order to watch that and i would be very frank i have received so
13:32many messages uh in my whatsapp and other application people saying me thank you and celebrating that
13:40it was very much obvious also in social medias you can see that people are uh celebrate yes there
13:46are people who have been also skeptic yeah but the most important thing is that uh most of them most of
13:55the public have been celebrating and uh after that we are seeing that uh the continuation of the dialogue
14:03uh the continuation of the positive messages for example after the washington meeting both vice prime
14:10minister of armenia and azerbaijan visited both armenia to azerbaijan lately uh our vice prime minister
14:18grigoyan visited to gabala region and had a meeting there so all of these are signals and public are
14:26receiving it also positively and moving towards the peace and i'm sure in the long run people will
14:32also see the benefits of that economic benefits of the peace we're here as we mentioned in doha and the
14:39qatari governments have been very heavily involved in negotiations and mediations internationally you
14:46know how important and where do you see the future of that international involvement going in terms of
14:54you know the qataris the eu um and the u.s well we appreciate all international efforts that uh
15:01contributes to the peace agenda but what was in the beauty of armenia azerbaijan agenda is that it
15:06wasn't a bilateral process there wasn't a complete belief in the two capitals but first baku and
15:12yerevan we need a peace and we need a peace for our future generations for our peoples and we started
15:18our active bilateral diplomatic engagement it also brought us to the washington discussions and some
15:24other agendas that we have again we can uh highly appreciate the role of the international community
15:28all our partners but armenia azerbaijan i'm sure that based on the confidence that we are trying to
15:34build and based on the mechanisms of the interaction we built will continue advance on our bilateral
15:39peace building agenda we very much appreciate international community support but without that
15:45bilateral thing that was very strong and i'm sure that um abu dhabi leaders meeting uh paved way for
15:54the washington meeting and that was a very great success in that context and we very much appreciate also
16:00international communities uh engagement we are here in doha forum meeting with having panel and also
16:09sitting down in this studio speaking to the public and uh sending uh positive messages in overall uh that's
16:16also an effort coming from the qataris and they are very much helpful and we very much i'm sure i'm
16:22speaking on both of us that we very much appreciate that qataris gave this platform to us uh to speak also
16:31publicly and that's very much important it's been a real symbolism of hope what message do you think
16:37what you have achieved is giving to those around the world who are in war with at war with each other
16:44well it's always difficult to provide your own uh advice but we can provide our own uh example uh and
16:52here i think that also other countries we demonstrated leading by example yeah and there wasn't a really
16:57difficult and bloody war between the two countries and last 30 years two countries suffered from the
17:02deficit of the security and the deficit of the peace but with a political uh will and demonstration of
17:09the firm and stronger political will peace is achievable and as a result of which just peace has been
17:14ensured between armenia and azerbaijan now is enough time and also work of the two governments and two
17:20two peoples to make a long lasting and irreversible peace on the agenda on the global agenda and also
17:25regional agenda therefore peace is doable peace is achievable and it also requires uh full commitment
17:31to the norms and principles of international law and providing legality and legitimacy between the
17:36countries yeah it's very difficult to find two conflicts that are uh totally similar but you can
17:43find always some similarities and one of the important thing was that uh strong will both in yerevan and
17:50baku was very much helpful in moving towards the peace uh the leadership in both countries have been
17:57intensively working even though a lot of difficulties you can imagine and in all conflicts it's very
18:03difficult to move forward because uh of the problem also of trust in all conflicts sides don't trust each other
18:11uh but we have been working towards this uh as in uh famous music it said another brick to the wall uh in
18:22positive sense of that quote uh we have been working towards that trying to build that uh wall of trust uh trying
18:30to work to move in that direction that was very much helpful bilaterally creating that trust and then also
18:39international community support if you could send one message to the people of your neighboring country
18:46what would that be to continue working on strengthening the peace between uh armenia and azerbaijan yes
18:55we went through the conflict we went through the pain uh both of us and uh we need to understand also
19:05that there is a chance of peace we have uh both to work on this direction uh institutionalize the peace
19:14and work on that direction and also see the benefits of the peace hikmet what would you send as your
19:23message to your neighboring people in armenia from afo azerbaijan war and conflict is over currently
19:30azerbaijan works on the peace and we are uh sure and hopeful that there will be irreversible peace
19:37between the two countries and it will be eternal for the future generations of the both countries
19:42and still we have a certain violence uh we understand that and we are at the end of the
19:46fact but we should look into the future hikmet armen thank you so much for joining us on eurasia
19:50talks on euro news what a pleasure to see you both here today thank you so much thank you so much
19:54thank you so much thanks for having us you're very welcome
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