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L'Arménie et l'Azerbaïdjan détaillent leur plan de paix et le nouveau corridor soutenu par les USA
Dans une interview exclusive accordée à Euronews, les principaux négociateurs arméniens et azerbaïdjanais ont expliqué en détail comment un processus de paix autrefois inimaginable s'est transformé en une stratégie commune pour la stabilité et la transformation économique.
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Dans une interview exclusive accordée à Euronews, les principaux négociateurs arméniens et azerbaïdjanais ont expliqué en détail comment un processus de paix autrefois inimaginable s'est transformé en une stratégie commune pour la stabilité et la transformation économique.
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00:00armenia and azerbaijan surprise the world with a historic peace agreement after decades of tragic
00:08war but the secret ingredients to what was called an impossible peace have never been made public
00:14but now euronews has the opportunity to sit down with two of the key actors to discuss it further
00:20in this edition of eurasia talks we're joined by armen gregorian the secretary of the security
00:26council of armenia and hikmet hadjev the assistant to the president of azerbaijan
00:32gentlemen thank you for joining us on this episode of eurasia talks i wanted to begin by asking you
00:41how did your first contacts happen and what made it possible to unblock the standoff that we've been
00:48seeing hikmet thank you uh to jane for the opportunity to talk and i remember our first
00:54good days when we come together and discussing our agenda of the peace it was right after the 2020
00:59uh military engagement uh we in brussels had a good chance to meet and with support and facilitation
01:05of our eu friends uh but since that time uh opens instruction of our leaders we had a one concrete
01:11agenda how we can advance the peace and also how we can put aside the disagreements that we had
01:16together and azerbaijan that time uh we over again demonstrated our good willingness and also uh initiative
01:23uh about in a peace agenda and with our mayomanian colleagues also through other channels as well
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together armen obviously with those um discussions
01:35you know what was it that your leadership and yourselves you know how did you come to the
01:40conclusion that peace was possible uh both in year one in bako i'm sure the leadership have been
01:48thinking how to bring peace and stability to the region my prime minister have been publicly very
01:55intensively talking how how much our society needs peace and uh we have been seeing that there is the
02:03same will uh in bako and we have been intensively working to that direction and here uh i think the
02:12first meeting was 21 22 uh between me and hikmet and now we are sitting here and discussing how to
02:20institutionalize the peace how to move forward in that context so the the success is great and we are
02:27also celebrating that we're here at the doha forum and obviously i heard you talking earlier and i think
02:33hikmet you refer to each other as colleagues that's a bold step forward and a real positive thing to use
02:39that terminology with each other in this journey together yeah really indeed uh uh within armenian
02:45uh side and azerbaijan system of washington we are working on the concrete uh elements of the peace
02:51agenda that we have agreed in washington and azerbaijan demonstrates in a full uh commitment that was
02:56an agenda that we have agreed one of the important topics on our agenda is about in a corridor and again
03:01we do hope that uh within a corridor from azerbaijan side is in a considered and as engaged corridor
03:06and also not a trump corridor where we are working together for an implementation we think that it
03:11will change in a completely uh the uh transport uh map of the eurasian continent and also in armenia
03:18azerbaijan bring us together and working together and will also contribute to build a mutual uh economic
03:23dependence and in a broader sense it will also create uh the economic benefits of the peace agenda
03:30for uh both of our countries for our broader region but we also what we understood that then a peace
03:35is like a strategic commodity that we are delivering to the international community
03:39but in the meantime we cannot render ourselves as a comfort zone and we know where to uh institutionalize
03:45and solidify the peace on the ground and to maintain it and also uh to bring it to the future
03:51generations it requires a lot of hard work from both countries and also both societies but in the
03:56meantime what we see about in a full uh commitment from our countries to work on that dimension
04:01what is the realistic timeline for finalizing this peace deal the peace deal uh in abu dhabi discussions
04:07uh this year in samma we had a open and broad discussion with an armenian side and my president
04:12and armenian prime minister and also uh delegations that we're attending uh we discussed an important
04:18competence including the uh elements uh that uh still on our agenda outstanding issues i think that we
04:25are on the right track towards in a complete uh you know signing of the uh peace agreement but
04:31more than that what i would like to highlight that we have a real peace on the ground what is an
04:35experience of international community shows that on many post-conflict situations and conflict
04:39situations there are agreements and arrangements on the paper but there is no real peace on the
04:43ground but we have a real peace on the ground de facto peace on the ground we should solidify it
04:48and we should strengthen it and also bring it to the future generations armen how would you describe
04:53the political relationship and atmosphere between the two countries all the agreements that we had
04:59anywhere uh all of them are in public and uh the peace process uh that uh have been in a process
05:09for a long time i mean bilater we have been working towards the peace and actually we will continue
05:17working on that direction uh with aserba john first of all to sign the peace agreement and
05:22ratify it uh at the same time we consider unblocking very much important the big beautiful
05:30deal that we reached reached in washington and now we are trying to implement is very much important
05:36and part of that deal is uh trump root for international peace and prosperity the connectivity project
05:44that will bring uh economic benefit to the region we are working on that direction i hope
05:51we are now intensively discussing with americans uh the project implementation of the trip uh as soon
05:59as we finalize we will start uh implementation project i hope it will be very soon uh and uh after that
06:08uh the whole technical process will start uh and we will work on that direction to unblock the region
06:16to open the trip which is a very huge and very important historical project in our region so we
06:23continue to work on that direction uh really armenia-azerbaidjan peace agenda we are also not
06:28acting in a diplomatic limbo we are also looking at the international experience and international
06:33precedent and good friday agreement between the in 1998 united kingdom and republic of ireland
06:39it also paved the way with the current status of the good relations between the two countries we are also
06:45making certain precedent from that arrangements as well and looking forward for the resolution of
06:50one outstanding issue but still matter of the concern of azerbaijan side i think that once it's
06:55resolved we will not have any longer any stumbling block on our agenda of the peace but nevertheless let
07:01me repeat it over the game that we have a real peace on the ground and currently working through the
07:06parameters of the strengthening of the peace with world powers competing for massive regional economic
07:13opportunities what are your strategies for each of your countries hikmet really our strategy is that
07:19not to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the competition or the confrontation
07:23our agenda is to make the region of the source caucuses as an arena of the cooperation
07:27and engagement and a partnership think about armenia-azerbaijan peace agenda in the global context
07:33of the conflicts and wars at least one success story one chapter of the conflict is closed there is a real
07:39peace on the ground and we are also inviting all our international partners including the global
07:43power powers they support our peace agenda on the ground whether it's in a connectivity projects
07:48whether it's in a normalization between the two countries and also new economic partnerships and as
07:54armenia and azerbaijan we are working on the fundamental concept of the economic benefit of the peace
07:59i think what our international partners can also contribute to that look uh it's very much important that
08:05uh the the peace project is an inclusive process uh we don't try to exclude anyone in order to let them
08:14to fight it uh so this is very inclusive process uh in the context of the peace we have suggested the peace
08:21crossroad project which is about uh connectivity in the region and within that context by the way trip is
08:29part for for that project and uh in that context we are working to implement the project and see
08:36the regional uh partners engaging in that and seeing the unblocking of the region as an inclusive process
08:45that's very much important and uh i am sure that will bring more stability in the region and we don't see
08:53uh our region as a competing place cause uh competition in a good sense of that economic from
09:01economic perspective it's good but from other perspectives sometimes it can very firstly damage to
09:08the countries that are living in the region so a little bit historically speaking the region of the
09:13souls caucuses historically and unfortunately it was in a battle space of the big empires and big powers now uh
09:20it's not only related to the current state of the region but now azerbaijan at least from his side
09:25and i see the same willingness from the armenian side as well to transform the region and to make
09:29it marketplace investment place for the cooperation of everybody what guarantees can you give the
09:35people of your countries that this peace is going to last and their safety i think that uh uh our
09:42signature it matters a lot and it was in front of the international community in oval office my
09:47president and he declared azerbaijan's and over declared and azerbaijan's full commitment to the
09:52peace agenda for us wars and a conflict is over and sovereignty and territorial integrity was a must
09:57for azerbaijan it has been restored and therefore uh such a uh full commitment to the washington uh
10:03agenda uh that we have agreed as a demonstration of our important political will and it's also message
10:09to our society and also uh we have received with any message from our society as well right after
10:15in the washington's there was a huge jubilation jubilation and also positive reverberation in
10:19azerbaijan society above and a peace and people also supporting that the political uh establishment
10:27both in yerevan in baku they have strong will for the peace uh that was demonstrated before washington
10:34but also uh reconfirming once more in washington showing that there is a political will uh we also see
10:41as my colleague hikmet mentioned uh both in the society in armenia and in azerbaijan there is uh support
10:49to the peace we are sure that implementation of the regional projects like uh trip and other ones
10:57will increase uh interdependency and strengthen the peace and also uh economic benefits that both
11:05societies will have uh it will have an input in the long run to uh sustain the peace and strengthen
11:13the peace we are seeing that uh we are moving towards that direction and the proof of that is also that
11:19me and hikmet in doha forum also sitting in in your uh studio yes sitting in your studio speaking about the
11:30the economic benefits uh of the peace signals that uh we will have uh long term well you have both
11:38discussed the importance of that trip to washington and there's a very famous handshake in front of
11:44president trump what was the atmosphere like in that room could you have heard a pin drop you know what
11:50what was the feeling it was really i can as far as i can remember it was really jubilee's atmosphere
11:56and for the uh you know last 30 years and both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the
12:01war and our peoples also now suffered and finally we put a final nail to the call to the coffin of
12:07this conflict it's now over and it was also once again a demonstration of a stronger political will
12:12and firm will and in this case we also highly appreciate the role of the president trump and
12:17american administration they also put in a political weight of the american government on their peace
12:22agenda in the same manner it also had a huge reverberation and spirit of the washington as a
12:27huge reverberation in azerbaijan society nevertheless there wasn't a time uh difference between the
12:32bakwa and washington this is that time but entire azerbaijan society uh was waiting for that and they
12:38were celebrating in a social media in media in azerbaijan in a sense it's coincided uh it was in a public
12:44uh you know jubilation and also official uh full commitment of uh azerbaijanic government it was on a
12:50peace agenda think about one chapter of the conflict on the international stage is over amen was it the
12:55same for armenia it was a celebration day and uh you know it's a big beautiful deal because everyone
13:03benefited from that armenia benefited azerbaijan benefited united states benefited and international
13:09community i'm sure in the long run will benefit that's why it's a deal because all sides benefited and
13:16it was a celebration as sigmit mentioned the time change time difference between uh yerevan and
13:23washington is similar as in baku and people were staying late night in order to watch that and i
13:30would be very frank i have received so many messages uh in my whatsapp and other application
13:36people saying me thank you and celebrating that uh it was very much obvious also in social media as you
13:43can see that people are uh celebrate yes there are people who have been also skeptic yeah but the
13:50most important thing is that uh most of them most of the public have been celebrating and uh after that
13:59we are seeing that uh the continuation of the dialogue uh the continuation of the positive messages
14:06for example after the washington meeting both vice prime minister of armenia and azerbaijan
14:13visited both armenia to azerbaijan lately uh our vice prime minister gregoyan visited to gabala region
14:21and had a meeting there so all of these are signals and public are are receiving it also positively
14:28and moving towards the peace and i'm sure in the long run people will also see the benefits of that
14:34economic benefits of the peace we're here as we mentioned in doha and the qatari governments have
14:40been very heavily involved in negotiations and mediations internationally you know how important
14:47and where do you see the future of that international involvement going in terms of you know the qataris
14:55the eu um and the u.s well we appreciate all international efforts that uh contributes to the peace agenda
15:02but what was in the beauty of armenia azerbaijan agenda is that it wasn't a bilateral process
15:07there wasn't a complete belief in the two capitals but first baku and yerevan we need a peace and we
15:13need a peace for our future generations for our peoples and we started our active bilateral diplomatic
15:20engagement it also brought us to the washington discussions and some other agendas that we have
15:25again we can uh highly appreciate the role of the international community all of our partners
15:29but armenia azerbaijan i'm sure that based on the confidence that we are trying to build and based on
15:34the mechanisms of the interaction we will will continue advance on our bilateral peace building agenda
15:40we very much appreciate international community support but without that bilateral thing that
15:46was very strong and i'm sure that um abu dhabi leaders meeting uh paved way for the washington meeting
15:55and that was a very great success in that context and we very much appreciate also international
16:01communities uh engagement we are here in doha forum meeting with having panel and also sitting down in
16:10this studio speaking to the public and uh sending uh positive messages in overall uh that's also an effort
16:17coming from the qataris and they are very much helpful and we very much i'm sure i'm speaking on both of
16:24us that we very much appreciate that qataris gave this platform to us uh to speak also publicly and that's
16:32very much important it's been a real symbolism of hope what message do you think what you have achieved
16:39is giving to those around the world who are in war with at war with each other well it's always difficult
16:46to provide your own uh advice but we can provide our own uh example uh uh and here i think that also
16:53other countries we demonstrated leading by example and there wasn't a really difficult and bloody war
16:58between the two countries and last 30 years two countries suffered from the deficit of the security
17:04and the deficit of the peace but with a political uh will and demonstration of the firm and stronger
17:10political will peace is achievable and as a result of which just peace has been ensured between armenia
17:16and azerbaijan now is enough time and also work of the two governments and two two peoples to make
17:21a long-lasting and irreversible peace on the agenda on the global agenda and also regional agenda therefore
17:27peace is doable peace is achievable and it also requires uh full commitment to the norms and principles
17:33of international law and providing legality and legitimacy between the countries yeah it's very
17:38difficult to find two conflicts that are uh totally similar but you can find always some similarities
17:45and one of the important thing was that uh strong will both in yerevana in baku was very much helpful
17:52in moving towards the peace uh the leadership in both countries have been intensively working
17:59even though a lot of difficulties you can imagine and in all conflicts it's very difficult to move forward
18:05because uh of the problem also of trust in all conflicts sides don't trust each other uh but we have
18:13been working towards this uh as in uh famous music it said another brick to the wall uh in positive sense of
18:23that quote uh we have been working towards that trying to build that uh wall of trust uh trying to work to
18:31move in that direction that was very much helpful bilaterally creating that trust and then also
18:39international community support if you could send one message to the people of your neighboring country
18:46what would that be to continue working on strengthening the peace between uh armenia and azerbaijan yes
18:55we went through the conflict we went through the pain uh both of us and uh we need to understand also
19:05that there is a chance of peace we have uh both to work on this direction uh institutionalize the peace
19:14and work on that direction and also uh see the benefits of the peace pigment what would you send as your
19:23message to your neighboring people in armenia from a for azerbaijan war and conflict is over currently
19:30azerbaijan works on the peace and we are uh sure and hopeful that there will be irreversible peace
19:37between the two countries and it will be eternal for the future generations of the both countries and
19:42still we have a certain balance uh we understand that and we are at the end of the fact but we should
19:47look into the future hikmet armen thank you so much for joining us on eurasia talks on euronews what a pleasure to see
19:52you both here today thank you so much thank you so much thank you thanks for having us you're very
19:56thank you so much thank you so much thank you very well
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