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Simon Miller talks to nZo about having creative freedom in WWE, how he got that, writing being the most important thing in wrestling, stealing from Jim Carrey, John Cena making him in NXT and much more.
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00:00Simon from WhatCulture here with the one and only Enzo. How are we doing Enzo?
00:04Yeah, you wouldn't believe it, but yesterday was the best day of my life.
00:06Why so?
00:07You wouldn't believe what happened.
00:08Tell me, man.
00:09You want to know what happened?
00:09I do, yeah.
00:10I wake up today, today's better than yesterday.
00:12No, I love it. There you go, boom.
00:14Unbelievable, guys.
00:15That reminds me of a quote I had once.
00:17Like if somebody offered you $10 million, but the catch was you can't wake up tomorrow,
00:21you'd never take $10 million, because waking up is the greatest thing ever.
00:25I like that. That's true, bro.
00:26Anytime you wake up, you succeed and probably failed at the attempt to end it the night before,
00:32but I'm all right, guys. I'm here.
00:34It's a genuine pleasure to see you.
00:37What have you been up to, man?
00:38Because, I mean, you've kind of been here, there, and everywhere.
00:40How is the world of Enzo?
00:42I need the UK fans to start streaming some Real One music.
00:46R-E-A-L, number one.
00:48I got rock, too, now.
00:49Real One and the How You Doing Band.
00:51You want to hear my rap? It's Real One.
00:53You want to hear my rock? Real One and the How You Doing Band.
00:55I spent two, three years building out a music studio and recording music,
01:00creating a band, and operating a business, man.
01:04So not necessarily hitting the road every weekend,
01:06but I've been making my rounds, getting back in the ring,
01:10in an effort to encompass all these things at the same time.
01:13So I have a podcast coming out called the Realest Champs Podcast.
01:16Shout out Nori, EFN, and the Drink Champs guys for hooking me up,
01:21my first podcast deal.
01:23And I got the Gimmicks cartoon with Talkin' Shop Guys,
01:27Gallows Anderson and Rocky Romero.
01:29That's Milo Kunis' show.
01:31So Milo Kunis, thank you for letting me be a part of that.
01:35And Ashton Kutcher, you guys are awesome.
01:37It's an NFT platform.
01:39It's on a Discord.
01:39So check out therealgimmicks.com,
01:42and you can see the cartoon that is South Park meets the WWE with zero f*** given.
01:50There we go.
01:51Because we are a wrestling-based platform, though,
01:54how do you see 2022 planning out?
01:57You know, do you have any certain goals in mind?
01:59Because the industry kind of feels more open now than it has been in a while.
02:02Just remember, we know what the pencil is in wrestling, right?
02:04The guy with the pencil determines what's happening that night,
02:08who's wrestling who, and what's happening, right?
02:12Well, all pencils are number two, and I'm number one,
02:15so I never give a f*** about the pencil.
02:17But I don't control it, man.
02:18I don't have the pencil at any company or any promotion.
02:21All I can control is what I can do.
02:24And what I do right now is write.
02:26I write a lot.
02:27And everything I ever did on TV, I wrote.
02:29Unlike Dwayne Johnson, okay?
02:32That's real.
02:33That's real.
02:34That's real.
02:35But the last thing I was expecting you to say.
02:37I love it.
02:38It's the truth, man.
02:39I'm the best of all time.
02:40The boat, bro.
02:41Nobody wants to rock the boat.
02:43People are scared, I think.
02:44If I walk out there, guys, it's what I do.
02:47It's still a show.
02:48It's still a show zone.
02:49So I've been open to opportunity
02:52and haven't been reluctant to turn down great opportunities
02:55to get in the ring with great opponents.
02:58And, you know, despite any preconceived notions,
03:01I have no f***ing ego.
03:02When you're as good as I am at this s***,
03:04you don't care if you win or lose.
03:06You don't care what the f*** happens.
03:07So I lost to Jerry the King Lawler in a casket match.
03:10All right?
03:10That was great.
03:11I lost to Ricky Morton with a Canadian Destroyer.
03:15He's 65.
03:16If you've been in the business for 30, 40, 50 years, 60 maybe,
03:21I'll lay down for you.
03:22I'll lay down.
03:23I'll lay down for you as well.
03:24You can beat me.
03:25I'm nobody, but still.
03:26Look, man, I made a career.
03:28And that's why I say to f*** the pencil, right?
03:30I only worry about the pen.
03:31Everything I write is permanent.
03:33It sticks, moth***.
03:34I do have a quick question for something you just said a minute ago.
03:36You said you wrote everything that you did in WWE.
03:38Everything that was good.
03:39How did you get that sort of creative freedom?
03:41Because a lot of people say it's hard to get that.
03:43Dusty Rhodes, baby.
03:44Dusty Rhodes, thank you.
03:46Rest in peace.
03:47I love you, and I owe you everything.
03:49And I also owe Triple H a great degree of gratitude, man.
03:54Triple H and Dusty gave me a microphone,
03:57and they gave me creative liberty,
03:59and it translated from NXT directly to the main roster.
04:02Vince McMahon also gave me that creative freedom.
04:06I mean, he's a billionaire,
04:08and if he trusts you with the lifeblood of his company
04:11on the 25th anniversary of Monday Night Raw,
04:13I was supposed to be in the main event.
04:15I got a microphone.
04:16I could curse.
04:17I could say something wrong.
04:18I was on a PG product.
04:19I never cursed, never gave the middle finger,
04:23never stuck anything up anybody's candy ass,
04:26never broke out a table,
04:28because those are what I would like to call a cheap pop,
04:30and I don't drink RC Cola, okay?
04:33I earned every pop I ever got as a certified PGG, okay?
04:40I made you think I was spitting venom,
04:42but I didn't do it alone.
04:43I did it with Big Cass.
04:44I will not take all the credit.
04:46It was a magical thing being out there with him,
04:48and happy to see the big guy back out on his feet doing impact.
04:51Oh, yeah.
04:52Awesome.
04:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:53I just had a couple matches in MLW, some storytelling,
04:58and, I mean, I think people will be interested to see what I did in MLW
05:03when it airs, so I just had a couple days there that were interesting.
05:08So, as far as pro wrestling is concerned,
05:11I'm looking at 2022, as you asked, as a year of opportunity, man.
05:17So, throw it at me.
05:19You know, the only thing I take advantage of is opportunity.
05:22Not women, not nothing.
05:23Just opportunity, you know what I'm saying?
05:25And when you are writing all that stuff, where does it come from?
05:27Is it just up here?
05:28Do you write and you edit?
05:29You write and you edit?
05:30Is it just natural?
05:31I've written more pro wrestling content than any pro wrestler ever will and ever did,
05:39and no one's ever going to catch up with me.
05:41I mean, it's over.
05:42It's done.
05:43I wrote books.
05:44All right, so I need people to understand.
05:45I have a degree in writing in college, right?
05:47You got to write a 100-page thesis paper to graduate.
05:50That's 20,000 words.
05:52About 200 pages is about 20,000 words.
05:56It's like a script.
05:57And a movie is about 200 pages.
05:59I have over a million words written, hands down.
06:05Scripts, screenplays, things that I write, and eventually I'll write a book.
06:09But for now, I'll probably just talk s*** and make a podcast.
06:11Hopefully that'll pop off.
06:13It all counts, man.
06:14It all goes towards the bottom line, right?
06:15Yeah, man.
06:16No, writing is the most fundamental loss proponent in this entire business.
06:21If you're a young pro wrestler and you think for one second that Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes
06:26weren't writing s*** down, you're s***ing lying to yourself, all right?
06:30Anybody who says, oh, I went out there on the fly, yeah, I've done plenty of s*** on the fly.
06:34So I roasted every single cruiserweight in a segment that I had to pull time on a microphone
06:39because the segment before us went short.
06:42So I got extra time on mine.
06:44Well, if I got extra time and you give me a microphone, don't f***ing worry about a thing.
06:47I'll find a way to f***ing fill that void, all right?
06:50Oh, yeah, man.
06:51So I did that on the fly, right?
06:53But, man, all of that comes because I wrote so much.
06:56When you write so much, it ends up in your back pocket.
07:00And if you were a pro wrestler, here's my advice to you.
07:03Look at the roster you're on and come up with three jokes for every single person on the roster.
07:10Three.
07:11I never saw a single m****** walk through the door at NXT that I didn't have at least three jokes for.
07:17I was ready at any moment.
07:19And then when I got my moment in the main event of the Raw, Monday Night Raw, 205 Live,
07:24Cruiserweight roast that became infamous for me, that was my opportunity.
07:29I had the jokes ready.
07:30I was prepared.
07:31Smart, man.
07:32Well, fail to prepare, prepared to fail, right?
07:34I also didn't think I was a f***ing going to be a pro wrestler.
07:36I didn't think they would let me because I never had a match.
07:38I made a viral video.
07:40I got hired by WWE.
07:41So I thought I was just going to be Big Cass' manager.
07:43So I was just focusing on the promos, man.
07:46I watched a s*** ton of Bobby Heenan.
07:47I watched a lot of Charlie Chaplin.
07:50Charlie Chaplin will make you laugh and tell a story without saying a f***ing word.
07:54That's brilliant.
07:55And I watched a lot of Jim Carrey.
07:57Stole a lot of facials and mannerisms from Jim Carrey.
08:00That's really smart, though, man, right?
08:01Go to that mainstream stuff and bring it in.
08:03And the goats, man.
08:03When I watch pro wrestling, I like to watch the best that ever did it.
08:06I watch The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, f***ing Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan.
08:12The guys who were f***ing over.
08:14There's only one rule in wrestling, and it's get over.
08:17So how did you find it?
08:18You get brought in to be a manager, and then you get told, uh-uh, you're a wrestler now.
08:22How was that?
08:22I f***ing hate telling the story because I've told it so many times.
08:25Sorry, man.
08:26I apologize.
08:27It's all good.
08:27I debut in NXT to do a job.
08:29I've never had a match before in a live event.
08:31I didn't even have a name.
08:32It wasn't Enzo Amore.
08:33I had pitched it.
08:34I find out the day that I go to NXT, I'm eating a donut, that I'm going to debut against Mason Ryan to make him look good.
08:41All the boys knew I was lights out in promos, so all the boys stood up and cheered for me in the back when I debuted, you know?
08:49Like, yeah, Enzo's getting a mic.
08:51John Cena was backstage.
08:53John Cena was booked to keep the house in the dark segment because we just became NXT.
08:58We were FCW.
08:58So we had to book main event talent for the dark segment to keep the people.
09:04Well, Cena stands up and goes, bada-boom, reel this guy in a room after he repeats what I said.
09:09I don't know this.
09:10I'm in the ring.
09:11I get out.
09:12John Cena asks me to go out to the ring with him when the show's over.
09:15I'm so green, I don't realize that I just booked my own tag team.
09:21I told John Cena Big Cass was my tag team partner, right?
09:25Big Cass was not my tag team partner.
09:27Next thing we know, we're in Gorilla and Triple H and Bill D'Amato looking at us like, what the fuck?
09:32John Cena's like, yeah, these guys are coming out with me in the dark segment.
09:35We're like, we're out there.
09:38I said soft.
09:41Well, Damien Sando is out there.
09:43He's the intellectual savior of the masses.
09:44I remember Damien Sando, absolutely.
09:46Smart guy, right?
09:47How many dimples are on a golf ball?
09:48You're so smart.
09:50168 dimples on a golf ball.
09:51You know how many dimples are on my hind end?
09:53Zero.
09:53Want to know why?
09:54Because you're SAWFT soft.
09:56That's where that came from.
09:57Big Cass, you're seven foot tall.
09:59You can't teach that, Sandow.
10:00Not at any institution.
10:01I'm a certified G-bone if I say you can't teach that.
10:04These organic things like the Austin 316 playing off Jake with the Bible.
10:08I was playing off Sandow.
10:09That's how we got our gimmick, right?
10:13John Cena repeats when I said soft.
10:15The whole crowd starts saying it.
10:17I'm not booked on live events for four more weeks.
10:19Neither is Cass.
10:20We show up to NXT TV.
10:22Ryback's feuding with Cena.
10:23Ryback's in the dark.
10:24They say Enzo and Cass about five minutes before Ryback's about to hit the ring.
10:29Enzo and Cass, put your gear on.
10:30You're going out.
10:31Hey, ladies, you're into Meathead.
10:33You got a real cheap date in the ring right there.
10:35All you got to do is take them to the local Golden Corral.
10:37And then we just named everything at the buffet.
10:40And we said, how you doing in between it?
10:42We got how you doing in soft off.
10:43And you can't teach that in the first two promos in dark segments that was never seen.
10:48So, you're in the UK, right?
10:49Yeah.
10:50We come to the UK for the first time.
10:52I don't even realize that you guys know who I am.
10:54Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:55Mind-blowing.
10:56That little Orlando crowd, the greatest crowd ever.
10:58Thank you for everything.
11:00Those people made me look like a star with saying my shit.
11:04Yeah.
11:04To a point where when I went to the UK, you guys knew it.
11:06I came down the ring and everybody was saying it with me.
11:09I was like, holy f**k.
11:12We love that stuff, man.
11:13We were just riding the roller coaster, bro.
11:15And nobody had more fun than me and Cass.
11:19Out of the ring, in the ring, backstage with women.
11:24It was a great time to be Enzo and Cass.
11:26But now we've calmed down.
11:28We've got girls.
11:30It's life, man.
11:31It's life.
11:31It's a process.
11:32It's all good.
11:33Enzo, I can't top that.
11:34Thank you very much, my friend.
11:35I know you can't.
11:36I'm the best.
11:37Best of all time.
11:38Ride the boat, baby.
11:39How you doing?
11:40Done.
11:41Like, share, subscribe.
11:42See ya.
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