00:00Benvenuti al piacere della lettura, oggi con noi Lily King, benvenuta.
00:05Il libro di cui parleremo oggi è Cuore l'innamorato, edito da Fazzi.
00:12Cuore l'innamorato è un romanzo che si muove su due registri intrecciati,
00:16la cronaca di una formazione sentimentale e l'indagine più ampia su come l'amore possa
00:23diventare insieme forza vitale e macchina di potere, capace di generare tenerezza ma anche
00:28controllo, colpa e rimozione. Il titolo Cuore l'innamorato pone subito al centro l'amore.
00:35Qual è stata la scintilla che ha dato il via al romanzo? E puoi parlarci di Jordan, Sam e Yash?
00:58Questa è stata fatta bene, e poi ho scelto un po' inizia, e poi non ho capito.
01:05Anche a quel momento, il mio amore, Ann Patchett, sento me la novela Tom Lake.
01:11E ho iniziato a leggere l'innamorato, e ho arrivato a page 6, e ho pensato a myself,
01:17Che cosa ti interessava affrontare di più? L'innamoramento come destino o come costruzione narrativa di una vita che i personaggi impongono a loro stessi?
01:47Non credo che ci sia un person per una persona e che il destino è trovare quella persona.
01:57I credo che in our lives abbiamo trovato persone che abbiamo trovato e troviamo per un po' di loro stessa in un modo.
02:06E poi credo che abbiamo trovato e trovato per esempio di evoluzione e ottenere le cose in cui cresciamo.
02:16e penso di questo.
02:19Stiamo cercando delle cose,
02:21stiamo cercando delle cose,
02:22ma non penso di amore come un fonte.
02:27Yash, Sam e Jordan formano per un lungo tratto
02:31un triangolo morale prima ancora che omoroso.
02:33Quanto era importante per te
02:35scrivere un libro sull'etica dell'amore,
02:37non solo sulla sua emozione?
02:40Sì, è una buona domanda.
02:42I do think because they had such strong moral values,
02:46and they had different moral values,
02:49but they did adhere to sort of a code among men
02:54that the western canon, you know, kind of embodies.
02:58And I think they very much believed in that.
03:01And so to take another man's girl, you know,
03:08or woman is against the code.
03:11and so they all have to struggle with that.
03:14And I was interested in that.
03:16These weren't people who were going to treat each other badly
03:21and not care about it.
03:23And they would do things very carefully
03:27and they would try to be moral,
03:29but in so many instances,
03:33their emotions got in the way of doing the most moral thing.
03:41I mean, Sam was very religious.
03:43He followed, you know,
03:45he tried to follow a certain belief system,
03:50and yet many times he violated his own code
03:56because of his emotions.
03:59I mean, even in his behavior to her,
04:02he was both adhering to his religious beliefs,
04:07but he wasn't being nice, you know.
04:11And I think that's always an interesting situation for a novelist,
04:16to put characters in conflict with themselves.
04:20Desiderio and discipline are often in contrapposizione.
04:23How have you worked on the subtle line between choice and conditioning?
04:28that these characters keep on having to make choices
04:31between their impulses and, you know, kind of being more in control of what they do.
04:39And it's hard to talk about because I don't want to give any spoilers,
04:43but there is a moment toward the end of the first part in which Jordan has something that
04:52she should tell Yash that has happened and he should know.
04:57And yet, and I think there's a part of her that wants to tell him,
05:02but there's this emotion in her and that just, she's so angry and hurt by what's happened
05:12that she sort of imposes a discipline on herself that she doesn't ordinarily have.
05:19Normally she would like to tell him these things, but she just, in this situation,
05:24she imposes a discipline on herself to not tell him.
05:28and it has, you know, large consequences for their relationship and their future
05:33and really the rest of their lives.
05:35There's a moment in which the romance seems to say
05:38that it's not the love to be fragile, it's the people who put themselves in the middle.
05:42Is that so?
05:43I think so.
05:44I think that people are scared of love and I think that they feel that love weakens them.
05:49But love isn't weak.
05:51I mean, love is very strong if we let it, if we let ourselves really feel it
05:57and we tear down our defenses and we really love each other in the various ways that we are able to.
06:04I think that that love is incredibly strong and is really the emotion that will save us,
06:11save our humanity if we allow it to exist.
06:15We all come from houses, apartments, living situations with our family.
06:32We come into this world, you know, for lucky with a family and then we leave.
06:38And I feel like these three characters, they're in university.
06:43They've left their houses for, you know, three and a half years.
06:47And, but I do have Jordan go back both with Sam to his house and with Yash to his house.
06:54And so we see the environment in which they grew up and Sam grew up as the oldest son.
07:01He was sort of worshipped.
07:03He's very important.
07:04He comes back and it seems like the governor has come to lunch.
07:08Whereas Yash, his father kind of dismisses him, doesn't respect anything that he's good at.
07:13And his mother is a little, just a little checked out, a little preoccupied with her life
07:21and loves him, but, but loves him in a way that he doesn't like.
07:24And so I feel that they did escape their families.
07:33And I feel that they, that their families had big effects on them,
07:36but then they found each other and they found this house at this university where they live.
07:41And, and they really become Sam and Yash become their family.
07:46And then, you know, as we see moving forward, that continues.
07:50I mean, that Sam really is Yash's family.
07:54And that kind of becomes a problem at some point.
07:58But, but I, I do feel what I was trying to do was show the different ways,
08:07the different places that people come from when they go to university from a family.
08:12And you think they're all the same.
08:14Oh, they can go to university.
08:15You know, they have a certain socioeconomic class.
08:18They, you know, they have a lot of things in common.
08:20They study literature.
08:22But in fact, they're coming from like different countries,
08:26with different cultures in their own family.
08:28And then, and then they're trying to, you know, be in relationships
08:32and in relation to each other.
08:34And that can be difficult.
08:35Nel romanzo c'è molta cultura e letteratura dentro il libro.
08:39Quindi, dentro la letteratura, bacon, classici, discussioni su tragedie.
08:44Perché hai reso la cultura e la letteratura protagoniste del romanzo?
08:49I was really interested in making literature a language that they spoke,
08:55that connected them, that brought them together initially, their, their passion for it.
09:01And then they can start to sort of play with it.
09:03And it, and it just becomes a place where they can,
09:06they can play and frolic and they understand each other.
09:09I think, you know, it kind of represents in some ways,
09:14when you, when you find someone who loves books,
09:16you feel like you find a subset of people who really understand you.
09:22And you, you can speak sort of a different language.
09:26You know, it's what I know.
09:27And so I like, it's part of my life.
09:30And when I have characters who read, it's impossible for me not to talk about what they're reading
09:37and what they're talking about in terms of, in terms of their reading and their love of literature.
09:44So I like reading about books within books and, and, and I like, I like writing about it too.
09:49I just do.
09:51In conclusion, l'amore salva o l'amore possiede?
09:57Does love save you or does it possess you?
10:01I think it does both.
10:02I just think it does both and sometimes at the same time.
10:05C'è qualche altra cosa che vorresti dire ai lettori italiani che non ti ho chiesto?
10:09I guess just thank you so so much for reading my book and being enthusiastic about my work.
10:18My visit here has been so special and I've met so many of you and I am just so grateful for your readership
10:26and your understanding of what I'm trying to do in my books.
10:30Oggi, al piacere della lettura, abbiamo parlato di Cuore l'innamorato, edito da Fazzi.
10:34E tu, Lili, quale libro consiglieresti per il piacere della lettura?
10:38One of my very very very favorite books is either To the Lighthouse or Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf.
10:47Grazie mille.
10:48Thank you.
10:49Grazie mille.
