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00:00Yeah, I heard it was messy.
00:02Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
00:04Dakota told me yesterday, she was like, I'm not coming tomorrow.
00:08If Dakota's coming.
00:10Is Dakota coming?
00:11We'll see.
00:14You guys, I lost my wedding ring.
00:16Is that like a sign?
00:17I have this one, but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
00:22Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me.
00:25So you guys have big issue with Brett, is that what I need to understand here?
00:28I don't care to talk to him.
00:30I don't care to interact with him.
00:31Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
00:34I think Demi and Brett specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
00:38And so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen, it covers them up.
00:43And it's so exhausting and so annoying.
00:48Welcome.
00:49What's going on?
00:50Are you okay?
00:52Yeah, great.
00:53Come on out with it.
00:54I mean, we will.
00:55We have all day for that.
00:56Yeah.
00:58Maybe use this as like an opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
01:06Maybe the fucker's not here.
01:08He's going to watch it, obviously.
01:09My stupid brain won't shut up.
01:11Like, I'm like getting ready.
01:11I'm like already heated.
01:13And I'm like, shut up.
01:14Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together today.
01:28We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values, as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
01:35And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
01:37Amen.
01:37Amen.
01:38All right, you guys.
01:39Seeker Live, season three of Reunion.
01:44Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
01:47Hi, Scott.
01:47Welcome to you.
01:48You look beautiful.
01:50You do, too.
01:51Is this your first hosting?
01:53No, I did Villa.
01:54So this is my second one.
01:55Oh, Reunion you hosted?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Okay, I didn't watch it for obvious reasons, but it wasn't because of you.
02:01Yeah, no, it's okay.
02:07I would love to hear your truth, Brett.
02:09Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
02:12The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe her.
02:21The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened.
02:26It didn't happen.
02:27He did tell us you guys kissed.
02:29So I'm hearing that.
02:30Yeah.
02:31False.
02:31There was not a kiss in the mouth.
02:33There was two ass grabs.
02:35If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
02:39Just the classic case of victim blaming.
02:42Can we agree that she was, like, flirting and having long conversations and, like, building a relationship with a guy like she just met?
02:48She wasn't building a relationship with him.
02:50Not flirty at all.
02:51You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum?
02:56I'm not wired like you, bud.
02:57You should rewire yourself.
02:59Oh, yeah.
02:59That's disturbing.
03:00Okay.
03:01All right, little guy.
03:02It's the Lulu land, dude.
03:04What'd you say?
03:05You guys live in a different universe.
03:07I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
03:13I don't even know why you're here.
03:14Just walk away.
03:15Everyone's being nice to you.
03:17People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
03:20Hey, the feeling's neutral, dipshit, just so you know.
03:22Good.
03:22And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
03:25Oh, nice, bro.
03:26You're a big guy.
03:27I think that's a little steep, and I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
03:31Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute.
03:34Nice to finally meet you in person.
03:36I know.
03:36I've heard a lot, and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like, you remind me of Stasi.
03:43Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like, I want to see.
03:45And now I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
03:49It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
03:51Oh, is it like a long time ago?
03:52Yeah, I was like 22 when I started it.
03:55I'm 37 now.
03:56I am your elder.
03:57The crazy thing to me, Zach, about you and Jen.
03:59Let's just watch this.
04:01I'm going to keep talking.
04:02I don't care to talk to you.
04:03I don't care to talk to you to me.
04:04I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
04:06That's your story.
04:07The feeling's mutual, bud.
04:08So that's perfect.
04:09And I'm going to talk to you.
04:11I'm here.
04:12So we're going to talk.
04:14Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the season three reunion.
04:18I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder.
04:20And the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you.
04:25We've decked the halls, lined the trees, and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
04:31to look back at a very memorable season.
04:33Ladies, I am dazzled.
04:36I'm delighted to be a part of this.
04:38Not just because I am a huge fan, but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
04:44I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations, had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
04:49Last time this cast was on this stage, y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
04:57Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
05:00Take a look.
05:01It's like 3.45 in the morning, and my water just broke.
05:06I'm nervous.
05:07I'm nervous.
05:11I'm nervous.
05:14Ah!
05:15It's fantastic.
05:17I'm so, so excited.
05:19I'm going to be crazy.
05:21Hey!
05:25Oh, wait.
05:26Don't steal a bottle.
05:27Mikayla, did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in a shower?
05:30No, honestly, I was so blacked out at that point.
05:33Like, I was in another planet.
05:35But no, it was a little monitoring strap.
05:37Oh, Macy and Mikayla, there's a conspiracy theory that you both named your daughters Charlotte.
05:44Is this true?
05:45We actually didn't.
05:46We didn't.
05:48That was a joke?
05:49It's a conspiracy.
05:49No.
05:50Stress the fuck up.
05:52I always liked the name Lottie.
05:54It was like my one that I had throughout that I was like, okay, I'm sticking to this.
05:56And I knew that Macy had Charlie on her list.
06:00I didn't even know what name she was naming her baby until like two days after birth.
06:03Wait, so you guys, neither of your child's name is Charlotte?
06:06No.
06:06No.
06:07I was God.
06:10Jen, you shared so much about like your struggles while you were pregnant.
06:15I think it's just like prenatal like depression.
06:20I think I first started feeling depressed when I realized what needed to change in my life and
06:28in my marriage.
06:29But it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant that I truly hit rock bottom.
06:36I don't even know what happened yesterday.
06:38Oh, Jen.
06:40Oh, my God.
06:43How are you feeling now, postpartum?
06:47Yeah.
06:48Sorry.
06:48Oh, my God.
06:51Sorry.
06:53It's just crazy to see how far I've come.
06:57It's just me.
06:58Sorry.
06:58I'm okay.
06:59Oh, my God.
06:59Little Penny with so much hair.
07:03It's just crazy to see her now.
07:07I just love her so much.
07:09And she's like literally everything to me.
07:11I remember when I found out I was pregnant with her, I was genuinely disappointed because
07:17I felt like I wasn't ready.
07:19But everything happens for a reason.
07:21And she is like the reason why I'm healed to this day.
07:25Sorry.
07:26I'm sure people have reached out to you about, oh, my gosh, thank you for being so open about
07:30what you went through.
07:31You are helping people right now.
07:33Oh, yeah.
07:34Prenatal depression and postpartum is not talked about enough.
07:37And rewatching that just made me realize like, oh, my gosh, like I can't believe I'm here
07:41and I'm in a better place and I feel like I'm genuinely happier and it's because of her.
07:47So I love that.
07:48Our babies always save us.
07:49They really do.
07:50That was not mature how we did it.
07:52Let's just talk.
07:53I genuinely want to know.
07:54Let's start over.
07:55Seriously.
07:55Where I am hurt and have feelings towards you and to me is, you know, the hell that I
08:01was going through.
08:01I came to you like I looked up to you as like this older, you know, person I could get advice
08:05from and I felt like we talked and you gave me a lot of good advice.
08:09I'm sorry to hear that.
08:10I genuinely am.
08:12And I didn't know the extent to which Jen was hurting.
08:17Come here.
08:17Was that thought you were going to beat me up?
08:19I'm not going to do that.
08:20Demi, how are you?
08:22I'm good.
08:22How are you?
08:23You're back in mom talk.
08:24I'm back.
08:25No, I was shocked.
08:26Whitney came back because dancing with the stars.
08:29She made it very clear.
08:31But I didn't know why you came back.
08:33I just felt like there was unfinished business.
08:35Yeah.
08:36And I felt like there was a pattern of self-sabotage and watching myself back.
08:40I'm like, oh, there's my shadow.
08:42There's like the sides of me that need to be healed.
08:44And for me, I'm like, no, I deserve to be here.
08:46And I have, you know, a story to tell.
08:48So, yeah, I'm excited.
08:50I'm excited to be back.
08:51Well, good to have you here.
08:53From breakups to makeups and a few massive shakeups, mom talk and co have kept things
08:59moving and kept us guessing.
09:00So tonight we're leaving no stone unturned, no tea unspelled and no Dunkin refresher unstirred.
09:08We will be joined by a slew of surprise guests popping in as our fabulous Dunkin sip and tellers
09:14at our Dunkin Bev bar.
09:15Let's cut to the chase.
09:17Oh, no.
09:18Oh, no.
09:21Ladies.
09:22Hello.
09:24Mom talk.
09:24How we doing?
09:25Apparently, I was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender.
09:32That's a full blown line.
09:33Maybe Taylor.
09:35We got some drinks for everyone here.
09:37Snacks.
09:38Just stay behind the bar.
09:39I don't need to get touched again.
09:40At least you used touched instead of shot.
09:43Taylor.
09:43Chase.
09:45Here you go.
09:46Oh, it's really good.
09:47We've got some questions for you, Chase.
09:50Is it weird to be sitting like behind Taylor?
09:53I'm normally next door.
09:54Oh, he'd rather be on top or bottom, though.
09:59Let's talk about your date.
10:04Should we kiss for our friend's sake?
10:09Taylor, did you know it was a date?
10:12No, not really.
10:14I think it was like he wanted to just apologize.
10:16I don't know why it's such a big deal.
10:18I'm not married to Miranda anymore.
10:19Okay, Miranda, did you know about this date?
10:24From what I heard, it was a coffee meetup to put water into the bridge.
10:28That's what I heard.
10:29That's not a date.
10:31It just felt like there were a few details left out.
10:34And that's really where my confusion came from.
10:37Right.
10:38Okay.
10:38I mean, I would be annoyed, too.
10:40So, yeah.
10:41Chase, Taylor, where do you guys think you go from here?
10:49We'll see.
10:50I don't know.
10:53Okay.
10:53All right.
10:54So, it looks like we're all going to have to watch this on season four.
10:57And we have so much to get through.
11:00Thanks, Chase, for the sip and telling.
11:03All right.
11:06You know we love a little game around here.
11:08So, tonight, whether you're sipping on hot cocoa, a cola, or a Cosmo, we've got a buzzword for you.
11:15Every time you hear the word accountability, we invite all of you at home to take a sip.
11:22You're going to get alcohol poisoning.
11:23If you still can't sit here and just take accountability, say, you're right, I'm here for this.
11:26I know that's your favorite word.
11:29Oh, God.
11:30The accountability.
11:31It's like the favorite word.
11:34Jesse took accountability.
11:35And I take full accountability.
11:36But again, this is to take accountability.
11:38The lack of accountability.
11:40You're just taking accountability.
11:41We don't hear any accountability.
11:42I get it.
11:43Should we look up the definition?
11:44Because I think a lot of people in this group don't even know what it means.
11:48Accountability is the state of being held responsible for something or someone.
11:53Take accountability.
11:54Accountability.
11:55Accountability.
11:55I'm not even going to say the word accountability.
11:57Holy shit.
11:57We use that word way too much.
11:59But take accountability.
12:02I love the accountability.
12:04That scene alone had like 12.
12:05I'm the only one not in that montage.
12:08I don't buy into it.
12:09You said, Jessie.
12:10What did she say?
12:11She said, I'm probably not in that montage.
12:12No, that was Jordan.
12:13Wow, Jessie.
12:13Gold star.
12:15Whitney, at one point this past season, you called the other women your coworkers.
12:19Like, what inspired this change of heart?
12:22Because it looked like overnight, you were like, I want everyone to be friends again.
12:26Honestly, I feel like it was more so during press week.
12:29I think like it was just me and I, and then it was everyone else.
12:33These were huge milestones that we were all accomplishing together.
12:36So I was like, it's kind of sad that like, we can't even be work friends.
12:41Macy, I want to ask you why she went to you to heal mom talk.
12:45At first, when she approached me, I was like, this is a bad idea.
12:47And then I was like, okay, well, we can try it.
12:50And I can't make any promises that people aren't going to break out in a fight.
12:53But I think it was cool because it took every single one of us had to be vulnerable and open up or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did.
12:58Went better than I thought it did.
12:59It went better than I thought it would.
13:01Yeah, I feel like I'm good with every single one of you.
13:04I would consider every single one of you one of my friends.
13:07Yeah.
13:08Well, the guys have been patiently waiting backstage, but I think it's time we bring them out to join the fun.
13:15Dad talk, come on out.
13:19See you out there.
13:20I'm nervous about going.
13:21I don't know what you're talking about me, but I am the is.
13:24Here to join in on the fun are Jace, Jordan, Connor, Zach, and Jacob.
13:31I was just in London filming the next season of Vanderpump Villa, and some of you guys were there.
13:36How was the villa, guys?
13:39Zach, why did you turn bright red?
13:42I just saw some things.
13:43Oh, what?
13:44Oh, what'd you see?
13:45Those aren't my secrets to share.
13:47I will say he was a little testy when he came home from London.
13:50So I was like, you've been hanging out with Jordan too much?
13:52He's a little spicy.
13:53He's not usually spicy.
13:55What happened in England?
13:56You're going to have to wait and tune in.
13:58Just wait.
13:59All right.
14:01More of that on season four of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
14:05Now, if you need a drink at home, grab a chaser.
14:08And for anyone here, just grab Chase.
14:10Let's see who else is behind the bar.
14:17I'll turn the quarter all over the top.
14:19Cute.
14:19Mason, why is your shirt on?
14:24Take it off.
14:25So you guys are official.
14:27Official, official.
14:28How are you?
14:30Good.
14:33Mason is Chase's brother, and he's freaking hot.
14:36I used to see Chase when I see you.
14:39Do you think it's weird to be honest?
14:41I don't know.
14:43I guess it's not weird.
14:43I saw Chase a year ago now.
14:46I know that Mason was interested in me first before Chase was.
14:48So I just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first.
14:52And now we're doing redo.
14:55Cute.
14:58Also, Layla, so I hear Mason has met your kids.
15:02Yes, yes.
15:03Do they love him?
15:03Did he pass the test?
15:04The kids test?
15:05I fear they're obsessed with him.
15:07The other day when we were on that hike.
15:08Yeah.
15:08Because he looks like Tarzan.
15:09Have they seen that movie?
15:10I always, every single time they're eating, they're like, I'm going to eat all my food
15:13so I get big muscles like Mason.
15:15I'm like, oh, okay.
15:16So smart.
15:18I have to ask, who's a better kisser?
15:22Definitely Mason.
15:24I was going to ask his bigger.
15:27I want to shift gears from Mason and Layla and talk about another relationship.
15:31Michaela and Jace, you guys were very vulnerable about your struggles this season.
15:36I feel like I've made a lot of strides with my past sexual abuse, but as far as the intimacy
15:44issues, I feel like it's been one area that I haven't been able to progress at all.
15:50Intimacy for me is really important.
15:52It's like a deal breaker.
15:53I think it's someone else's fault that took things and stole things from you.
15:56And if I'm frustrated, I'm frustrating at those people.
15:59I'm not frustrated with you.
16:00Michaela, how does it feel hearing Jace say not having intimacy is an issue for him?
16:09Sorry, I'm just going to take a second.
16:21Sorry, I'm just going to take a second.
16:23It's still really fresh, everything that I'm working through.
16:36I know it's a really big need of his, and I think he's been very patient with me.
16:43Michaela's been amazing.
16:45I think that she's handling it better than I could have in her situation.
16:48Have things improved at all since the finale, since that time?
16:53I feel like I haven't had my body or felt in my body for a long time because of my health issues.
16:59Also, she had a baby.
17:00And I just had a baby.
17:02She carried that baby to term and pushed that baby out.
17:05And then after having the baby, it's like my health stuff all came back 180 overnight.
17:08And then for him, it's still hard because we're still having the intimacy issues.
17:12And I'm like, I don't know how to overcome it.
17:14I think that's what's hard.
17:16Yeah.
17:18Jessie, you look like you're getting emotional.
17:22Yeah.
17:24I actually loved watching the Kio story because I knew that it happened to her.
17:30But seeing it play out and like seeing her thoughts and feelings behind it, I can relate.
17:35I've been doing a lot of therapy because of mine and Jordan's situation.
17:38And I actually uncovered the memory that I was raped when I was 19.
17:41And it really, it like started a lot of my issues about like going emotionally numb and pushing people away and feeling not good enough.
17:57And after uncovering that, um, me and Jordan already had our struggles, but it made it worse.
18:03Like I, I don't exactly like, I don't want him to touch me and it's not his fault, but like, it's so crazy how your body reacts.
18:14It's not just your emotions, you know?
18:15So, um, so yeah, that's just been another layer of healing for me.
18:19But watching her story, like it just really hit home for me.
18:22And I, I understand fully how that can feel.
18:27Connor, what's going through your head right now?
18:29I'm so sorry, Jesse.
18:37I feel like I can't relate in the same way.
18:41I struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways.
18:46And I don't want to speak for Michaela or Jesse or anyone else, but it can be challenging to rewire your brain.
18:52At least for me, the two polarizing parts are like, please don't touch me.
18:56I don't have control here and it scares me to, I want to have like hypersexuality.
19:02Like I want to have as much sex as possible to put distance between me and that event.
19:06I just need to get that out of my system.
19:09So I don't know if I can necessarily relate with your relationships, but I do know that the patience that you are giving your spouses is healing and it is breeding intimacy between the back of you.
19:23I feel like that's one good thing that has come from the fame.
19:25I think it has pushed a lot of us out of our comfort zone.
19:28I don't know when I would have talked about it.
19:30For me, I would probably just push it away until I was 40 or 50.
19:33So I think this is a great thing.
19:34Like all the conversations that we've had, I think are amazing.
19:37And I think they're helping so many people that are watching.
19:40So I think that's my, that's my pro.
19:43Demi, are you okay?
19:44What is this triggering for you?
19:51I think just like deep, deep wounds and things for me that I haven't fully uncovered and things I know I've been through that I've blocked out as well.
20:03And then just listening to you guys talk about it is like, it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room and like how many people in this room have experienced something like this to a degree.
20:14And then with everything that I went through the past year, not to compare because what I went through was not even close to what most everyone has gone through.
20:26But it triggered a lot of really horrible things that have happened in my life.
20:32So to not be believed and be questioned and like be called a liar, yeah, it was just horrible.
20:44So I'm touched to like hear the way you guys are talking about it.
20:47And Connor, when you talk about it, it's like my little younger self is like getting the hug that I needed.
20:55You guys should be so proud of yourselves.
20:57Thank you for being so open, all of you.
21:00I feel like you're going to help so many people by talking about it.
21:04We have a former member of Dad Talk waiting to join us and now feels like a good time.
21:09Let's bring out Brett.
21:12He's joined us here now.
21:14How are you doing?
21:15Doing well.
21:15Happy to be here.
21:16Good.
21:17So for the past two seasons, fans have been wondering what really happened with Marciano and MomTalk.
21:23We've read receipts, reviewed recaps, and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up.
21:29Take a look.
21:30So I met with Marciano and he told me that you guys have been having an affair the past couple months.
21:37He told me that you guys had sex.
21:40Oh my fucking hell.
21:42I can't.
21:42We did not have sex.
21:44There's dark parts of me that just sometimes want to throw up my hands and just say, I don't want to do this anymore.
21:50Are you still the person that I want to be with?
21:52It ultimately led to us deciding to separate.
21:55Did Demi tell you to say that you slept with Jesse?
21:59Yeah.
22:00Did you and Demi kiss in Italy?
22:01Oh God, you guys.
22:03If I go admitting to that, I just don't want a war.
22:05I know Marciano was hurt by me ending things abruptly.
22:08So it does make sense that he would join forces with Demi because he wanted revenge.
22:14Oh.
22:15What?
22:16Who is that?
22:17Marciano.
22:17He said uninvited to the function because a 30-year-old Mormon wife scared to tell her husband the truth.
22:23And then Demi commented, she goes, grown men acting like a child because they couldn't bag a married woman.
22:29And then she commented another night.
22:30Also, she got uninvited because he's a sexual predator.
22:32He's not a sexual.
22:33He's not.
22:34He's not a predator.
22:34I think the biggest thing for me that's triggering right now is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly want to understand.
22:43She knows how to bulldoze you in conversation.
22:45She has a way of making people believe her.
22:47Never once did I feel it for him.
22:50We've never kissed in our life.
22:52I've never even told him he was cute.
22:54Period.
22:55The end.
22:55My gut is telling me everything is calculated.
22:58I definitely think she's a threat to MomTalks Foundation.
23:01The band is officially back together.
23:02We still have a lot to work on, but I do feel a little more hopeful because I am seeing patterns and behaviors that I needed to see before.
23:09I personally feel like the things that I've needed to face, I've faced.
23:13So are you ready to officially move back in?
23:15I'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this.
23:20So, Jessie, you had an emotional affair with Marciano.
23:26What did he provide for you emotionally?
23:30I always say, like, it honestly could have been anyone.
23:34At home, I just was feeling not seen, not appreciated, not loved.
23:38I couldn't do anything right.
23:39So just to have someone who, like, thought I was cool or funny or just, like, didn't see those negative things.
23:46Like, it was just someone getting me attention in a positive way and not putting me down all the time.
23:50Do you regret, though, cheating?
23:52Yeah.
23:52I wish I would have just left Jordan at that time instead of cheating.
23:56I truly was like, if I do something like this, like, that will get me out.
24:00It was almost like, well, he hasn't hit me.
24:02He hasn't done anything like that.
24:03So, like, it was really hard to, like, justify leaving, but emotional abuse and that toxicity can drain you, and it did, and it made me a person I'm not proud of.
24:12Macy, I know you had a lot of opinions about this.
24:16Yeah, no, it's hard.
24:16I obviously am someone who has been through an abusive relationship, and I know theirs isn't the same as mine, but I think for me, I like that Jordan was finally owning things, but I was also like, as long as you, we had the action behind it, because words are just words, unless there's action put behind it.
24:29But, yeah, no, I mean, it's not something you want to hear about your friend, and that's why I'm always really protective of Taylor, but at the end of the day, I know they have to make their own choices, so I try to stay in one relationship at a time and do what I can, so it's like, I'm not trying to jump too deep into Jesse now.
24:43I will say, I do remember him taking his part of being like, I did mess up.
24:48I did do this to her, and I did do that, and there was no buts after, and so I appreciated that part of it, but behind closed doors, when you go home with him, I don't know how that was, so we all don't know that part, so only they can speak on that one.
24:59Well, Jesse, do you feel like Jordan has put action behind it?
25:02Yeah, we've been in therapy for a while, and I have seen a lot of changes.
25:06I will say, like, I wouldn't still be here if that wasn't happening.
25:10Unfortunately, healing isn't overnight, so we've had setbacks, and there are still things I worry about, but overall, I do feel like he's taken what I've said and applied a lot of it.
25:19I just need time to see if it's going to feel genuine, you know?
25:23Jordan, how do you feel about that?
25:24I've had to make changes, and I've had to look at myself in the mirror and, like, think about, like, the kind of person that I want to be, not for Jesse, but for myself.
25:33Like, I am, I'm proud of myself for the changes that I've made, and I really hope that those changes are enough to have a chance at saving my family.
25:43Well, there was even more drama behind the scenes the night Layla broke the news of Jesse's affair.
25:48Take a look at this extended cut of one of the phone calls between Jesse and Marciano.
25:52I'm just going to go like this.
25:58So, I was told that you said we had sex.
26:03You know that that's not true, so I'm just confused why it was said that way.
26:07Jesse, I'm not going to get into a disagreement with you.
26:09Okay, do you think we had sex?
26:15Uh, yeah.
26:17I mean, that's how I remember it.
26:19We kissed twice, that was it.
26:21Okay.
26:22No, Marciano, you know that.
26:24Like, I'm just, you know that.
26:27I, I, I, I'm willing to be so open and honest that I had feelings for you.
26:31Like, I was struggling in my marriage, but I want it to be the truth.
26:34I need to admit to everything.
26:36A hundred percent.
26:37You need to talk about how you wanted to leave Jordan and that you loved me.
26:39Yes, one thousand percent.
26:41I'm going to have to.
26:42Like, everything's coming out.
26:43So, that's why I just really want it to be the truth.
26:45This is the thing, is that we're going to have this shit come out.
26:48Be a fucking honest.
26:48Dude, this is so much bigger than you think.
26:51To me, really fucked me.
26:52I don't lie into it.
26:53I really can't.
26:54Dude, she fucking used me.
26:56It's all in the sight.
26:57Oh my God.
26:58I gotta go.
26:59Jordan, how do you feel watching that?
27:01Well, um, a little bit, um, triggered.
27:09Okay.
27:10Yeah.
27:12I, uh, was specifically told by Jesse that she never had said that she was going to leave me for that piece of shit.
27:20I didn't say I was going to leave you for him.
27:22I told Marciano, I most likely am going to leave my husband because I'm unhappy.
27:25I never said it was for him.
27:27And I've told you that.
27:28That footage is what that said.
27:29He said leave Jordan, period.
27:32He didn't say for me.
27:33And I never said for him.
27:34I may have put that in my own head then.
27:36Yeah.
27:36Okay.
27:37Well then, yeah.
27:39Jesse, the results of the lie detector test were inconclusive at parts.
27:44Yeah.
27:45Specifically the parts about contact with Marciano besides two kisses.
27:49We got the results.
27:50The results are in.
27:52Have you ever had sexual intercourse with Marciano?
27:54It says no.
27:55True.
27:56Yeah.
27:56So you're good on that one.
27:58Number two, besides those two kisses, have you ever had any sexual physical contact Marciano?
28:02No.
28:05Inconclusive.
28:06Wait, what?
28:08What can you say about that?
28:09I know, that looks so bad.
28:10I was like, shit.
28:11So in the moment when she asked that question, I was like, okay, nothing else happened besides
28:15those two kisses, honestly.
28:16But in my head, I was like, okay, well, I did touch his arm.
28:18Like he did grab me here.
28:20Like there were things like that, but I'm like, I don't want to say yes.
28:22So I said no.
28:23And then it came back that way.
28:24So I understand why, because in my head, I was having that internal battle at this point
28:29though.
28:29Like I know my truth.
28:30It did say we didn't have sex and I'm glad that that was cleared up and genuinely nothing
28:34else happened.
28:35And at this point I would also say it because also we have, what do you have to lose at
28:39this point?
28:40And half the time I've wanted to leave Jordan, it would give me a reason genuinely.
28:44And I've told him that.
28:45Can I ask you guys, just everybody, you watch Marciano talk like that, the way that he
28:50talks, how do you give anything that he says any credibility whatsoever?
28:55I think that's why it's so messy is because you can't.
28:58Well, we know he's not reliable.
28:59We're just using the facts that we've seen too.
29:01It's not what Marciano is saying.
29:04We clearly know he speaks in riddles.
29:06When you guys were at the villa in England, you guys seemed okay with Marciano.
29:12No, no, no, I wasn't these guys.
29:15Yeah, I will be honest.
29:16I never chumped up with them.
29:17Yeah, not, not me.
29:18He did seem like he was a nice guy there.
29:20He was charismatic.
29:21He stayed out of the drama.
29:22Like I felt like he was respectful to Jordan.
29:24So it was confusing.
29:26Okay, Demi, what do you say about continuing on a friendship and relationship with him after
29:32what you're accusing him of?
29:35Yeah, I mean, we have to separate the two because you can be sexually assaulted and then
29:41also continue a relationship.
29:42So one doesn't have to take away from the other.
29:45And why I did that, I think honestly just boils down to a trauma response and having a lack
29:52of boundaries and feeling like I needed to make excuses for what happened and also to
29:56keep what happened quiet because I didn't want it to come out.
30:01And like the best way to describe it is the hell that I've been through for the past year
30:05and the women who didn't understand like, well, why didn't you want that to come out?
30:09I don't understand how that doesn't affect you.
30:11It's weird though.
30:12And again, Demi, I'm not trying to call you a liar.
30:13To this day, he will double down on a few things.
30:17And one of those things is when Demi and I were leaving the villa, we kissed on the lips.
30:21No, I did not.
30:22Because it was off camera?
30:23Jen, when you say things like it was off camera, why are you saying that as though you
30:27know?
30:28To me, I've seen it now.
30:29Things did happen between Demi and Marciano, whether she wants to admit it or not.
30:33I mean, she was literally right next to him, like grabbing his hands, like googly eyes,
30:39like talking, laughing, like it for sure did not seem like a married woman was talking
30:47to another single man with boundaries.
30:48Did you see anything happen off camera?
30:51I hate to say the word, but like, again, I just haven't seen any accountability.
30:55Jen, did you see anything fucking happen off camera?
30:59I did it.
31:00Why did you say you did?
31:01Then why are you fucking saying I learned?
31:03Why did you threaten a safe citizen?
31:05Because of the shit I've gone through for the past year, Jen, which you don't fucking
31:09understand because you've never been sexually assaulted.
31:11Yes, I actually have.
31:12She has.
31:13She has.
31:13And I haven't talked about it.
31:14She has.
31:14Okay.
31:15I have.
31:15Then have some fucking respect.
31:18Because I was too.
31:19It goes, please.
31:20I'm not talking to you.
31:21You're talking to my wife.
31:22Yeah, I'm talking to your wife.
31:24I'm talking to your wife.
31:25Then talk respectfully.
31:26I will talk to her how I feel like she deserves to be talked to.
31:29I've done nothing to Jen.
31:30She's made my life while I'm living.
31:31You've done nothing to me.
31:33You bullied me.
31:34I bullied you.
31:35After you went, you sat in the thing.
31:37We're here for you.
31:37We know what happened.
31:38We're on your side.
31:40Five seconds later, you turn to Mikaela and go, if she comes for me next season, I'm exposing
31:44this.
31:45What the fuck is wrong with you?
31:46What the actual fuck is wrong with your brain?
31:53What the fuck is wrong with you?
31:55What the actual fuck is wrong with your brain?
31:57How do you feel about your wife texting the word, come to another man?
32:01How do you feel about that?
32:02Jen, listen.
32:03No.
32:03I'll answer your question.
32:04I'm going to tell you.
32:04Just listen.
32:05I'll answer your question.
32:06Answer my question.
32:06I'm asking.
32:07I started asking.
32:07How do you feel about that?
32:08I started asking the question.
32:08The word, come.
32:09Just with respect.
32:10Is that appropriate?
32:11With respect.
32:11Just listen.
32:12Okay, but it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated.
32:15Okay, answer your question.
32:16And that's what happens with us.
32:17It's got to go both ways.
32:18I understand.
32:19If you want to be heard out, you got to carry other people out.
32:20Here's the problem, Jen.
32:21Because there's 20 different things that we could say.
32:23You're the one telling people to shut their fucking mouth.
32:25All right, Zach, come on.
32:26But.
32:27Don't, I'm not going to be disrespectful to Jen.
32:29Don't be disrespectful to me, please.
32:32He's not being disrespectful.
32:33Listen, Jen.
32:33He's literally just talking.
32:34The question I have for you is.
32:36She's telling me to shut my fucking mouth.
32:38Can you listen to one thing?
32:40Are you trying to avoid my question?
32:41I don't understand why you keep interrupting.
32:43Please.
32:44Jen, I am asking you.
32:46If you didn't see the things that you said you saw, why did you say you did?
32:51Why did you say you saw her sitting on his lap?
32:53Why did you say you saw her kiss him on the lips?
32:55Hold on.
32:56And before you answer, just know there's footage.
32:58Like the whole thing was filmed.
32:59We just need to stop.
33:00This is clearly not the place.
33:02Oh, I know, but we just brought it up.
33:03So I feel like.
33:04Why don't we talk about Demi and Jesse's relationship, their friendship?
33:07You guys were best friends.
33:09Thick as thieves, always together.
33:11And now it's like, how would you describe your friendship today?
33:16I watched it fall apart.
33:17Yeah.
33:18I would say that we've made strides and we've talked about things, but I have walls up because
33:22I don't fully trust.
33:23And I think she did multiple things to me back to back to back to back.
33:27So I don't quite understand certain things.
33:29And I think because of that, I still have a huge guard up.
33:31Demi, how do you feel about her, your friendship?
33:33Yeah.
33:33It's almost as though we haven't had conversations.
33:35Like when I hear her say that, and it's like, I don't understand.
33:38To me, I'm confused because we've talked this through so many times.
33:43My intention from start to finish was so that this never fucking came to light.
33:49And in placating and being nice to Marciano, he was going to go on a podcast.
33:53And I was like, shit, I need to control how this plays out.
33:57Why were you so involved in my story?
34:00Because I was trying to keep him at bay.
34:02I understand placating because I did it, but I was trying to hide something I did wrong.
34:06So why did you feel like you had to placate?
34:07Because I didn't want to go through what I've been going through the past year and have
34:10to talk about this at all.
34:12I feel like this is an impossible situation because right before this, we just saw, you
34:16know, everyone's talking about sexual assault and you clearly see Demi crying.
34:20And like, that's a super sensitive topic.
34:22I think the reason we want to have these conversations is because when we say it doesn't add up, we're
34:26not trying to say you're a liar, discredit you, but like in our minds, from what we know,
34:30it doesn't.
34:31Macy, how uncomfortable would it be if you got, and I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be insensitive,
34:35but you got raped by your abuser or you got slapped or whatever.
34:39And then afterwards, you're like, I love you.
34:41And then later they're like, Macy, it's really weird that you said, I love you.
34:44That is so different to being in a relationship.
34:46No, no, no, no.
34:47Yeah.
34:47I don't like when you do that.
34:48I understand.
34:49Being in a relationship with someone is so different than someone you knew for two days.
34:51I'm sorry.
34:52The problem is that you got out of becoming the judge, jury, and executioner as to how she
34:57reacted.
34:57Well, she put me in a really bad position.
34:59So I have every right to question her too.
35:00I'm sorry.
35:01This is a tit for tat for you?
35:02Yeah, it has to be.
35:03This is bullshit.
35:04And I'm about to walk off.
35:05Then go.
35:07How do we get to the bottom of this if people-
35:08Just, why are you acting this way towards me?
35:12You would be just as defensive.
35:13Because I'm still confused.
35:14I want answers.
35:15It's all these things where we're like, this doesn't add up.
35:18I just don't appreciate the lies.
35:19The lies piss me off so bad because it's affected my life for the past year in a very negative
35:24way and Jen's off living her merry life on Dancing with the Stars, raking in dollar bills
35:29and I'm a lying villain.
35:30You don't think bullying me affected me?
35:32Sweetie, how did I bully you?
35:34How did you bully me?
35:36You treated me like shit.
35:37You were lying about me.
35:39And then you expected me to have this wave of empathy for you because you were having
35:44a hard time.
35:47I think that this is going to have to be a larger conversation.
35:50I don't think this is going to be wrapped up today.
35:52I think too much, but do you see what we just have, we just, we want to talk about.
35:58I truly hope you all can find a way to move forward with all of this, but we need to move
36:04on with the reunion.
36:05We have another guest coming.
36:07I am kindly requesting all of your cooperation.
36:11Our next guest only agreed to participate if the ladies of MomTalk exited the stage while
36:17their interview takes place.
36:19Out of respect for that request, I am asking Taylor.
36:22Macy, Michaela, Jen, Jesse, Layla, Miranda, Demi, and Whitney to follow our stage manager
36:31back to their dressing rooms where they can continue watching the reunion.
36:34Demi's example where she, if there weren't cameras, they would have been like, oh, did
36:45I physically assault you?
36:47Would you tell people that?
36:48That I was like, that I put my hands on you, which is an assault?
36:52Like I, for a while, was like, am I going to get strung out as like someone who hits girls?
36:56Yeah.
36:57All because of, you know, she was at an emotional high.
37:00And I think I'd love to chat with her about that because I've never been able to.
37:04Our experiences are valid.
37:05And it's like muddied because of this stupid fucking asshole that's lied.
37:10And sorry, but Jen, who's lied and put all these things in your head that never happened.
37:15Okay.
37:16She's not telling lies.
37:17She's telling her experience.
37:18And she saw you be flirting in the villa.
37:19And so did all of us.
37:20I will never put myself in a situation like that again.
37:22And that sucks, especially when you've been in that situation and it like brings up old
37:27stuff.
37:28Like, then you start really blaming yourself for like what they do.
37:32It's more painful to not be believed than to say or not to go over it over and over and
37:38over and feel the pain of past things than to just say, fuck, yeah, we kissed.
37:43Fuck, yeah, this happened.
37:44I'd rather something fucking happened at this point.
37:47And it's excruciating and it's ruining my reputation.
37:51And we hear you.
37:51And we hear you all night.
37:54I'm sorry.
38:08I want to go home.
38:10I want to go home.
38:17I don't feel like you have to go out there.
38:19No, I feel like I have to for me.
38:21Okay.
38:21For you, then let's fucking do it.
38:23Let's do it.
38:24I want you to really feel like you're up to it.
38:27Every part of me wants to run.
38:29And I'm like, no, you're going to stay like you deserve to be here.
38:32And like, you're not going to let them win.
38:35Did Demi leave, leave?
38:36She might have.
38:37I heard this wailing and I was like, what was that noise?
38:39And she's outside talking to somebody.
38:41I saw Brett talking to people.
38:42Yeah, Brett.
38:43So I don't know if she was leaving or not.
38:44Okay, I know that was a lot, but we do have a special guest waiting to come out.
38:51Is everyone ready?
38:57Oh, my gosh.
39:02Did he?
39:02So he's been watching this whole thing?
39:04Welcome back to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 reunion.
39:08Against all odds and expectations, we have Dakota here with me and the rest of Dad Talk.
39:15Tensions between Mom Talk and Dad Talk took a toll on many of our cast members this season.
39:20And in an effort to speak his truth, Dakota agreed to join us tonight on the condition that Taylor and the rest of Mom Talk be backstage.
39:28Can we turn this up a little bit?
39:30Dakota, I was rooting for you and Taylor's relationship.
39:33And now you can't even be on the same stage with her.
39:36Why, you little bitch?
39:36Which, you have to admit, is kind of crazy that you kicked the girls off of their own stage.
39:43Yeah, I'm just going to say that was a little more dramatic than I thought it was going to be.
39:47It wasn't supposed to be like that.
39:48None of the husbands are getting sex tonight.
39:50That's for sure.
39:51Connor already did.
39:51Before 8 a.m.?
39:52Yeah.
39:53Wow.
39:53All I wanted was just to be able to have, like, a good conversation.
39:57And I think most people would agree that, like, when me and Taylor are together, it's really hard for us to just talk.
40:03So that was really my only thing.
40:05I think that's fair.
40:07Your relationship with Taylor has gotten to a point where she'll be looking for love on the next season of The Bachelorette.
40:14What happened?
40:15Let's take a look.
40:17How are you?
40:18How are things?
40:18Good.
40:19You had him, like, for 11 days.
40:20Yeah, I did.
40:21It was, like, good bonding for us.
40:23Really?
40:23Yeah.
40:24Well, I'm sure.
40:24Well, yeah, I feel so close to him.
40:26The goal is to have healthy co-parenting and to focus on our healing individually.
40:34I am not going to be in a relationship until I'm in a healthier spot.
40:37My roommate went missing this morning.
40:43Yes, we had sex.
40:45Like, obviously.
40:46How about that I love you last night?
40:48If ever there was a future for Dakota and I, there would have to be no more lies.
40:53No more secrets.
40:55Are Taylor and Dakota back together?
40:56I'm not trying to snitch, but during one of the times they were broken up, Leanne's friend, she started, like, hitting on him.
41:03And it kind of turned sexual.
41:05This is the fourth girl now, and it's like, it's a fucking family member.
41:08I hate you.
41:09I don't think you, like, understand how big of a deal this is.
41:12I just, like, want your full transparency.
41:17Dakota came clean to me.
41:19There's never been anything going on between me and Dakota.
41:22I literally would have only invited him over to cry it out or whatever.
41:26Cry it out and then fuck.
41:27You haven't been happy for three years.
41:33I did my mediation.
41:36Taylor, I'm glad that you took the initiative to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries.
41:42I have no choice.
41:43We're done.
41:44Sorry, can you throw me that water real quick?
41:47Do we make you nervous?
41:48Yeah, you guys did.
41:50He's sweating.
41:51He's like, hey, what lies did you cover up right now?
41:53How are you and Taylor now?
41:55I don't, I mean, I think probably not good, if I had to say.
42:02Like, and I don't like that.
42:04Like, I wish it was, I wish it was better.
42:07But I just think the emotions are still, like, really high.
42:10Okay.
42:11In your words, what happened with Taylor's family friend?
42:15It's been over two years now.
42:18So I think when this happened, me and Taylor were together for, like, 10 months.
42:22We were both in a very toxic cycle.
42:26For me, anyways, it was like I was always getting broken up with.
42:28And this was, like, the first, like, time where she broke up with me where, I guess, for me, it felt, like, very legit.
42:34Like, it felt like it was real for me.
42:36This lady that I had met through Taylor's family, she leaned out to me and was just checking in on me.
42:42Because, obviously, she had heard what happened.
42:44And she was just, like, being super nice.
42:47And then it wasn't, it didn't, like, get weird.
42:51Did you guys talk about Taylor?
42:53Yeah, it was about her relationship.
42:55Yeah.
42:55So, like, you confided in her.
42:56Yeah, it was just about, like, how crappy it is and, like, how sad I am.
43:00Okay.
43:01Let's see what he lies about.
43:02And then I'll go out there and clear it up.
43:03And then it got to a point to where, I'm trying to think of exactly step by step, but it was like.
43:10Yeah, think about those lies you're going to tell.
43:12She's just making him feel like a fool.
43:13So, it's not that hard to do.
43:15It's just the facts.
43:17And then, like, out of nowhere, I feel like she kind of, like, came on to me.
43:22Which, that, I think, just kind of surprised me, given in that moment.
43:27Like, I didn't actually think that was going to happen.
43:30Again, that's just my opinion.
43:31Like, I really didn't think that was going to happen.
43:34And then, and then from there, it was, like, even the pictures we sent.
43:39What pictures did you?
43:40Yeah, by the way.
43:41You're skipping over the important stuff.
43:43No, no, I'm getting to it.
43:44I just want to make sure I explain this, because I don't want things twisted.
43:46Like, even on the episode, I watched one of them, and it was like, Taylor was questioning me.
43:50I was like, oh, there's only one picture sent.
43:51There's only one picture sent.
43:53I was referring to, she only sent me one picture.
43:56There was multiple pictures sent, but she only sent me one picture.
44:00Oh, so you sent her one?
44:01Yeah, no, no, no.
44:02I only sent one more picture.
44:03So, there's two pictures.
44:05What was it?
44:05What was the picture of?
44:06It was a silhouette.
44:08So, and the silhouette, like, it was so dark.
44:11Like, if I'm being honest, it wasn't super sexual to me.
44:17Like, just because of how dark the picture was.
44:21What prompted the pic?
44:22Oh, yeah, this is what I was going to say.
44:24So, and I think what even prompted the picture was that we were talking about, like, the gym,
44:30working out, being in good shape, like, things like that.
44:33The conversation had turned away from you and Taylor's relationship, and you guys were.
44:37Yeah, I guess, yeah, it turned to, like, that, just at that nighttime, just towards the night there.
44:41Who gives a fuck what time it is?
44:43It's nighttime.
44:43He was like, it was nighttime.
44:44He was like, it was 7, 8, 21, p.m., night.
44:48And then I sent a picture of my shirt off.
44:50Dumb as shit.
44:51I agree.
44:52It was stupid.
44:53I'm not saying it's not.
44:54Stupid.
44:54Yes, it was.
44:55But you would consider that, like, flirty, though?
44:57Her picture to you and your picture.
44:58Hell, yeah.
44:58That's where, yeah, already, I was like, okay, this is, like, yeah, like it.
45:02But you and Taylor weren't together.
45:04No, no, she broke up with me.
45:06I'm about to go fucking out there and literally annihilate him.
45:09And then out of nowhere, she, like, freaked out, like, and was like, delete everything, delete everything.
45:17Actually, you heard me.
45:18And I was like, what's going on?
45:20I think it made me have to kind of be like, oh, damn, like, this is, like, a big, big deal.
45:26Keep going.
45:26Go ahead with your lies.
45:28Lies?
45:28What part?
45:29Where have I left?
45:30Oh, I don't want to sit by him.
45:30You can go.
45:31I don't want to sit by him.
45:31Can you give me that water?
45:34You look pretty.
45:35Keep going.
45:36All right.
45:36I will.
45:37Let me drink my water.
45:37Welcome, ladies.
45:39So, Taylor, what is not tracking for you?
45:42Um, I mean, I think you can kind of gauge when you're stuttering.
45:44You're like, well, wait, wait, give me a second.
45:46That's when you're having to keep up with lies.
45:48You knew the extent of what she was.
45:50So don't go back on that now.
45:51Does that make sense?
45:51Yeah, I see what you're saying.
45:53That's my point.
45:54If Dakota would just be like, I messed up.
45:56I messed up.
45:56I'm like, oh, that was so dumb of me.
45:58He would just look so much better.
46:00I think you know that this was fucked up because you confided in Jordan about it.
46:05A hundred percent.
46:06Okay.
46:07So you understand why Taylor is enraged?
46:11Right.
46:12Right.
46:12Okay.
46:13Yeah.
46:13So what are you trying to defend?
46:16Defend?
46:16I think it comes off as you kind of defending.
46:19As if it's not fucked up.
46:19Which I think can invalidate how Taylor feels.
46:22Well, I think I do that just given the fact that I think.
46:24You're never just sorry.
46:25Yeah.
46:26Like if you didn't have any new information, you must be here to fully apologize or something.
46:34Well, I think the context of what I just said is new.
46:37Like I watched the episode and I feel like there was multiple things that were skewed in there.
46:41What?
46:42I think that's fair.
46:43Like it was exactly what I thought.
46:45Yeah, there was.
46:46But it's exaggerated.
46:47I felt like it made it seem like I cheated on you.
46:50You did.
46:50That is cheating to me.
46:51Okay.
46:52But yeah, you can do it, right?
46:53When you're broke up, when you broke up with me, you can go fuck someone else and then come fuck me, right?
46:58Okay, so a year later.
46:59Oh, we were broke up.
47:00I cheated on you a year.
47:00We were broke up though, right?
47:01Oh my God.
47:02And your friends will tell you the same thing.
47:04They'll say, you don't owe him that.
47:05Did I cheat?
47:06You don't owe him.
47:06Does anyone consider that cheating?
47:07So you're broken up and me moving on.
47:09Right, so how is that cheating what I did if I was broken up?
47:11I don't feel like this is about cheating.
47:13It's who it is.
47:13That's what you say.
47:14It's who it is.
47:15It's who it's with.
47:16Layla, I know.
47:18I'm saying.
47:19Then let me just talk.
47:20Do you see how the whole thing changed?
47:22Like when you come out and you're just firing shots at me, like I wanted to just talk.
47:26This is where I wanted to.
47:27This was my whole point.
47:28Go.
47:28I've apologized to you like a hundred times.
47:30You've never meant it though.
47:31Yes, I have.
47:31I've wrote you letters saying sorry a hundred times.
47:34Do you know what you said?
47:35You said, hey, I weeded out a bad friend in your family.
47:37This is me just trying.
47:37Wait, what?
47:38He said, hey, I weeded out a bad friend in your family.
47:41Oh my gosh.
47:42This is what I'm talking about.
47:43Like this is why I can't do this.
47:45Are you still on speaking terms with this person?
47:48No, my entire family dishonored her.
47:51No.
47:51She was my friend too.
47:53Like that's what, like she would see me cry and struggle and all these things with Dakota
47:56and be helping me when I think she was a snake in the fucking grass.
47:59It's disgusting.
48:01Do you feel like you owe her parents an apology?
48:04A hundred percent.
48:04And I reached out to your mom and asked her.
48:07Well, he was making threats.
48:08Taylor is so wild.
48:10This is what I'm saying.
48:10Because I come out with the truth.
48:11Didn't you just sex me last night?
48:13You should tell your new boyfriend that.
48:14We're going to move out of this.
48:15The one that you like a lot.
48:16Didn't you just say that today?
48:17You should probably tell him how you were talking to me last night.
48:19Oh.
48:20Look at that.
48:20We have.
48:21Look at you denying it.
48:21I don't have a boyfriend.
48:23I'm single.
48:23You're denying it.
48:23I am single.
48:24Just take a couple of breaths.
48:26This is getting a little crazy.
48:27Show him the sex thing.
48:27You should have him show up because he's lying.
48:28We're going to move out of this.
48:29I want to go back to Leanne and Jeremy.
48:31I mean, this is the worst time for me to do it.
48:33I was actually going to do it and it was going to be very genuine.
48:36But now it's like I'm so heated.
48:38Yeah, this is not giving happy holidays.
48:39No.
48:40Okay, let's welcome in Leanne and Jeremy.
48:42Hi.
48:43Hi.
48:43Hi.
48:47I need a Duncan refresher.
48:50Obviously, very sangria.
48:52Yes.
48:53There you go.
48:58Welcome back to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 Reunion.
49:06We've had more drama than a high school Christmas pageant.
49:09We have mom talk and dad talk here with us, along with Leanne and Jeremy and Demi and Brett.
49:15Demi, I know you had a rough time out there and I really appreciate you coming back.
49:22Dakota has something he'd like to say to Taylor's parents, but first, Brett has something he'd
49:27like to get off his chest.
49:27I'd like to apologize to Miranda.
49:30In my heated phone conversation with me, she said something that I don't mean even remotely.
49:36We had a brief conversation with Miranda and she just basically was insinuating that I'm
49:40a liar and you said she shoved you.
49:43And I'm like, well, I don't know.
49:45What would you call it?
49:45I don't know what to call it.
49:46He came up and pushed my hip.
49:47What I said was unacceptable and it was really representative of how I was feeling about this
49:59situation as a whole.
50:01Just feeling like the whole thing was just so kind of out of bounds and so trashy the
50:05way that I felt like she was being treated.
50:07And you were the last person that she interacted with.
50:10So unfortunately, you were on the receiving end of kind of the pinnacle of my frustration
50:14and you didn't deserve that.
50:16And I'm really sorry.
50:17It was tensions were really high at that time.
50:21I do wish that, you know, this wasn't just happening on camera.
50:24I wish maybe it was something that was said earlier.
50:27And I'm not saying that I don't that it's not an authentic apology.
50:30I just I do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate.
50:34I just so you know, I felt sick to my stomach just hearing myself.
50:37I didn't even remember saying that.
50:38I was like seeing red in the moment.
50:41And I really my apology really is sincere.
50:44I really am sorry.
50:46I appreciate it.
50:47Yay.
50:48One apology accepted.
50:50Dakota, I know there's something you'd like to say to Leanne.
50:53So just go ahead.
50:55Uh, obviously, I I know that I fucked up.
50:59But I just think like I think I knew I was going to lose you guys.
51:05And that I don't know.
51:07Um, I think I kind of numbed out maybe a little bit.
51:11Um, and I think it was just hard to me and Taylor, obviously, we're just not in a good
51:17place.
51:17And I think it was just like, even harder.
51:19But I am truly sorry, because I know that that caused a lot of pain, obviously, for Taylor, but for you guys as well and your family.
51:29And I don't think I realized the magnitude maybe of even what I did, I don't expect you guys to forgive me.
51:37I don't expect anything like that.
51:39But I do just want you to know, like, I know I messed up.
51:41I know that I caused a lot of pain for all of you guys.
51:46And that's all I can do right now is I'm sorry.
51:53Leanne, Jeremy, I just don't understand like why.
51:59Why?
52:00Yeah.
52:01You do that behind your girlfriend that's pregnant with your baby.
52:07That's sickening.
52:09And I think that bugs me, Dakota.
52:11And you're just like one of those people that you just can't help but to love.
52:15But then you get really get to know you.
52:17You're not that person.
52:19You're just a different person, like behind closed doors.
52:23You have your virtue.
52:24You're is like been taken away.
52:26You're so dishonest.
52:27You're so like, I just don't know how you could keep lying.
52:30And you know what?
52:31The thing that hurts the most is that she's my kid and you hurt my grandbaby like you hurt ever.
52:37He's the one that's going to pay for all your guys's crappy decisions that you both have made.
52:44I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's all bullshit, dude.
52:50You have proven yourself time and time again that nothing that comes out of your mouth is just spewing bullshit.
52:59So I can't accept any sorry from you or nothing.
53:03I mean, our last reunion, he was sitting here crying.
53:06And our host was asking, do you think you can be an honest person?
53:10He's crying.
53:11Yes, I've said everything.
53:12I've said it all.
53:13Like, I can do this.
53:14Yes, I love Taylor.
53:15But he's still lying about it, right?
53:17I didn't know.
53:17I learned after the reunion.
53:19I'll do anything to just like have that opportunity to be with her and my family.
53:27And it's just so hard because that's like, I just went about everything the worst way.
53:38So Taylor, Dakota, where do you guys think you go from here as co-parents?
53:43I would obviously love to get to a spot of like being cordial for the sake of our son because he ultimately, my mom is saying he's the one who is going to suffer from all of this.
53:52This is a law on me that I chose him to be his dad.
53:56Wait, you don't think I'm a good dad, Taylor?
53:59Are you going to let me finish?
54:00So I feel when I look at Ever, I'm like, this is my fault.
54:03I did this.
54:04I chose to do this.
54:06I'm so sorry that I chose to have a child with this person.
54:10However, they feel they're justified.
54:11The one thing I want to just stand on is I've seen him be a dad.
54:14And like, I think Dakota is a great dad.
54:16I will never, ever have anyone tell me I'm not because I know that with every single fiber in my heart.
54:22Okay.
54:23I just like, you know what Taylor out of anybody, you know how much I care about Ever.
54:27Did you listen?
54:27I said it's on me.
54:28I feel guilty for me.
54:29It's how you're wording things about it.
54:30I mean, every word.
54:32I think it's not about this.
54:34You know, we were giving you the opportunity to apologize to them.
54:38You did.
54:41They don't accept that apology.
54:43That's fine.
54:45We can't just like keep at it.
54:49Keep at it.
54:49Like, we can't do that.
54:51That's it.
54:51I'm done.
54:53Fucking stupid.
54:54Fucking my God.
54:55Folks, we're not done yet.
54:56Folks, we're not done yet.
54:58Oh, shit.
54:59I told them we're not done.
55:00They want that.
55:00Fuck that.
55:01I'm good.
55:03I want everything good.
55:04I'm just going to say, I just feel for Dakota, honestly.
55:07Did I care for him?
55:09Absolutely.
55:09Is this painful?
55:11Duh.
55:11I loved him.
55:12I wanted to be with him.
55:13I had a child with him.
55:14So, yes, it's fucking painful.
55:16Hurts to co-parent to this very day.
55:18I do it every day.
55:19And it's the worst thing I've ever done.
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