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00:00Yeah, I heard it was messy.
00:02Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
00:04Dakota told me yesterday, she was like, I'm not coming tomorrow.
00:08If Dakota's coming.
00:10Is Dakota coming?
00:11We'll see.
00:14You guys, I lost my wedding ring.
00:16Is that like a sign?
00:17I have this one, but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
00:22Brett can sit next to me if no one wants to sit next to me.
00:25So you guys have big issue with Brett, is that what I need to understand here?
00:28I don't care to talk to him.
00:30I don't care to interact with him.
00:31Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
00:34I think Demi and Brett specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
00:38And so if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen, it covers them up.
00:43And it's so exhausting and so annoying.
00:48Welcome.
00:49What's going on?
00:50Are you okay?
00:52Yeah, great.
00:53Come on out with it.
00:54I mean, we will.
00:55We have all day for that.
00:56Yeah.
00:58Maybe use this as like an opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
01:06Maybe the fucker's not here.
01:08He's going to watch it, obviously.
01:09My stupid brain won't shut up.
01:11Like, I'm like getting ready.
01:11I'm like already heated.
01:13And I'm like, shut up.
01:14Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together today.
01:28We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values, as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
01:35And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
01:37Amen.
01:37Amen.
01:38All right, you guys.
01:39Seeker Live, season three of Reunion.
01:44Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
01:47Hi, Scott.
01:47Welcome to you.
01:48You look beautiful.
01:50You do, too.
01:51Is this your first hosting?
01:53No, I did Villa.
01:54So this is my second one.
01:55Oh, Reunion you hosted?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Okay, I didn't watch it for obvious reasons, but it wasn't because of you.
02:01Yeah, no, it's okay.
02:07I would love to hear your truth, Brett.
02:09Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
02:12The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe her.
02:21The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano was because he told me that that's what happened.
02:26It didn't happen.
02:27He did tell us you guys kissed.
02:29So I'm hearing that.
02:30Yeah.
02:31False.
02:31There was not a kiss in the mouth.
02:33There was two ass grabs.
02:35If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
02:39Just the classic case of victim blaming.
02:42Can we agree that she was, like, flirting and having long conversations and, like, building a relationship with a guy like she just met?
02:48She wasn't building a relationship with him.
02:50Not flirty at all.
02:51You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum?
02:56I'm not wired like you, bud.
02:57You should rewire yourself.
02:59Oh, yeah.
02:59That's disturbing.
03:00Okay.
03:01All right, little guy.
03:02It's the Lulu land, dude.
03:04What'd you say?
03:05You guys live in a different universe.
03:07I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
03:13I don't even know why you're here.
03:14Just walk away.
03:15Everyone's being nice to you.
03:17People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
03:20Hey, the feeling's neutral, dipshit, just so you know.
03:22Good.
03:22And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
03:25Oh, nice, bro.
03:26You're a big guy.
03:27I think that's a little steep, and I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
03:31Let's just stop provoking each other just for a minute.
03:34Nice to finally meet you in person.
03:36I know.
03:36I've heard a lot, and people always haven't seen your show, but they're like, you remind me of Stasi.
03:43Obviously, I need to go watch it because I'm like, I want to see.
03:45And now I don't want you to see it because I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
03:49It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
03:51Oh, is it like a long time ago?
03:52Yeah, I was like 22 when I started it.
03:55I'm 37 now.
03:56I am your elder.
03:57The crazy thing to me, Zach, about you and Jen.
03:59Let's just watch this.
04:01I'm going to keep talking.
04:02I don't care to talk to you.
04:03I don't care to talk to you to me.
04:04I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
04:06That's your story.
04:07The feeling's mutual, bud.
04:08So that's perfect.
04:09And I'm going to talk to you.
04:11I'm here.
04:12So we're going to talk.
04:14Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the season three reunion.
04:18I'm your host, Stasi Schroeder.
04:20And the holidays must have come early this year because we've got some gifts in store for you.
04:25We've decked the halls, lined the trees, and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
04:31to look back at a very memorable season.
04:33Ladies, I am dazzled.
04:36I'm delighted to be a part of this.
04:38Not just because I am a huge fan, but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
04:44I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations, had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
04:49Last time this cast was on this stage, y'all had a medic in the back and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
04:57Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
05:00Take a look.
05:01It's like 3.45 in the morning, and my water just broke.
05:06I'm nervous.
05:07I'm so excited.
05:18I'm so excited.
05:21Ay!
05:21Oh, wait, so cute.
05:27Mikaela, did you have underwear on
05:29when you were giving birth in a shower?
05:30No, honestly, I was so blacked out at that point.
05:33Like, I was in another planet.
05:35But no, it was a little monitoring strap.
05:37Oh, Macy and Mikaela, there's a conspiracy theory
05:41that you both named your daughters Charlotte.
05:44Is this true?
05:45We actually didn't.
05:46We didn't.
05:48That was a joke?
05:48It's a conspiracy.
05:49No.
05:50Oh, shut the fuck up.
05:52I always liked the name Lottie.
05:54It was like my one that I had throughout
05:55that I was like, okay, I'm sticking to this.
05:56And I knew that Macy had Charlie on her list.
06:00I didn't even know what name she was naming her baby
06:01until like two days after birth.
06:03Wait, so you guys,
06:04neither of your child's name is Charlotte?
06:06No.
06:07I was God.
06:10Jen, you shared so much
06:12about like your struggles while you were pregnant.
06:15I think it's just like prenatal.
06:19Like depression.
06:21I think I first started feeling depressed
06:25when I realized what needed to change in my life
06:28and in my marriage.
06:29But it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant
06:33that I truly hit rock bottom.
06:36I don't even know what happened yesterday.
06:38Oh, Jen.
06:39Oh, my God.
06:43How are you feeling now, postpartum?
06:47Yeah.
06:47Um, sorry.
06:48Oh, my God.
06:51Sorry.
06:52It's just crazy to see
06:54how far I've come.
06:57It's just me.
06:58Sorry.
06:58It's okay.
06:59Oh, my God.
06:59A little penny with so much hair.
07:01A little penny with so much hair.
07:03It's just crazy to see
07:05um, her now.
07:07I just love her so much
07:09and she's like literally everything to me.
07:12I remember when I found out I was pregnant with her,
07:14I was genuinely disappointed
07:16because I felt like I wasn't ready.
07:19But everything happens for a reason
07:20and she is like the reason why I'm healed
07:23to this day.
07:25Sorry.
07:26I'm sure people have reached out to you
07:28about, oh, my gosh,
07:29thank you for being so open
07:30about what you went through
07:31because you are helping people
07:32right now.
07:33Oh, yeah.
07:34Prenatal depression and postpartum
07:35is not talked about enough.
07:37Rewatching that just made me realize
07:39like, oh, my gosh,
07:40like, I can't believe I'm here
07:41and I'm in a better place
07:42and I feel like I'm genuinely happier
07:45and it's because of her.
07:47So I love that.
07:48Our babies always save us.
07:49They really do.
07:50That was not mature how we did it.
07:52Let's just talk.
07:53I genuinely want to know.
07:54Let's start over.
07:55Seriously.
07:55Where I am hurt
07:56and have feelings towards you
07:58and Demi is,
08:00you know the hell
08:01that I was going through.
08:01I came to you like,
08:02I looked up to you
08:03as like this older,
08:04you know, person
08:05I could get advice from
08:06and I felt like we talked
08:07and you gave me a lot of good advice.
08:09I'm sorry to hear that.
08:10I genuinely am.
08:12And I didn't know
08:13the extent to which
08:15Jen was hurting.
08:17Come here.
08:17Was that thought
08:17you were going to beat me up?
08:19No, I'm not going to do that.
08:20Demi, how are you?
08:22I'm good.
08:22How are you?
08:23You're back in mom talk.
08:24I'm back.
08:25No, I was shocked.
08:26Whitney came back
08:27because Dancing with the Stars.
08:29She made it very clear.
08:31But I didn't know
08:31why you came back.
08:33I just felt like
08:34there was unfinished business.
08:35Yeah.
08:36And I felt like
08:37there was a pattern
08:38of self-sabotage
08:39and watching myself back.
08:40I'm like,
08:40oh, there's my shadow.
08:42There's like the sides of me
08:43that need to be healed.
08:44And for me,
08:45I'm like,
08:45no, I deserve to be here
08:46and I have,
08:47you know,
08:47a story to tell.
08:48So yeah,
08:49I'm excited.
08:49I'm excited to be back.
08:51Well, good to have you here.
08:53From breakups to makeups
08:55and a few massive shakeups,
08:57Mom Talk and Co.
08:58have kept things moving
08:59and kept us guessing.
09:00So tonight,
09:01we're leaving
09:02no stone unturned,
09:03no tea unspelled,
09:05and no Dunkin'
09:06refresher unstirred.
09:08We will be joined
09:09by a slew
09:09of surprise guests
09:10popping in
09:11as our fabulous
09:12Dunkin' Sip and Tellers
09:14at our Dunkin' Bev bar.
09:15Let's get to the chase.
09:17Oh, no.
09:18Oh, no.
09:21Ladies.
09:23Hello.
09:23Mom Talk,
09:24how we doing?
09:28Apparently,
09:28I was unanimously requested
09:30by everyone here
09:30to be the bartender.
09:32That's a full-blown line.
09:33Maybe Taylor.
09:35We got some drinks
09:36for everyone here,
09:37snacks.
09:38Just stay behind the bar.
09:39I don't need to get touched again.
09:40At least you used touched
09:41instead of shot.
09:43Taylor.
09:43Chase.
09:45Here you go.
09:46Oh, it's really good.
09:47We've got some questions
09:48for you, Chase.
09:50Is it weird
09:51to be sitting,
09:52like, behind Taylor?
09:53I'm normally next door.
09:54Oh.
09:55Oh, Lord.
09:56He'd rather be on top
09:57or bottom, though.
09:59Let's talk about your date.
10:01Um.
10:04Should we kiss
10:05for our friend's sake?
10:09Taylor, did you know
10:10it was a date?
10:12Mm.
10:13No, not really.
10:14I think it was like
10:15he wanted to just apologize.
10:16I don't know why
10:17it's such a big deal.
10:18I'm not married
10:18to Miranda anymore.
10:19Okay, Miranda,
10:20did you know
10:21about this date?
10:24From what I heard,
10:24it was a coffee meetup
10:27to put water
10:28into the bridge.
10:28That's what I heard.
10:29That's not a date.
10:31It just felt like
10:32there were a few details
10:33left out,
10:34and that's really
10:35where my confusion
10:36came from.
10:37Right.
10:38Okay.
10:38I mean,
10:39I would be annoyed,
10:40too, so yeah.
10:41Chase,
10:41Taylor,
10:42where do you guys
10:44think you
10:44go from here?
10:49We'll see.
10:50I don't know.
10:53Okay.
10:53All right,
10:54so it looks like
10:54we're all gonna have
10:55to watch this
10:56on season four,
10:57and we have
10:58so much to get through.
11:00Thanks, Chase,
11:01for the sip
11:02and telling.
11:03All right.
11:04You know we love
11:07a little game
11:07around here,
11:08so tonight,
11:09whether you're sipping
11:09on hot cocoa,
11:11a cola,
11:12or a Cosmo,
11:13we've got a buzzword
11:15for you.
11:15Every time you hear
11:16the word accountability,
11:18we invite all of you
11:20at home to take a sip.
11:22You're gonna get
11:22alcohol poisoning.
11:23You still can't sit here
11:24and just take accountability
11:25and say,
11:25you're right,
11:26I'm here for this.
11:27I know that's
11:27your favorite word.
11:29Oh, God,
11:30the accountability.
11:31It's like the favorite
11:32word.
11:34Jesse took accountability.
11:35And I take full accountability.
11:36But again,
11:37this is to take accountability.
11:38The lack of accountability.
11:40You're just taking accountability.
11:41We don't hear
11:41any accountability.
11:42I get it.
11:43Should we look up
11:43the definition?
11:44Because I think
11:45a lot of people
11:45in this group
11:46don't even know
11:46what it means.
11:48Accountability
11:48is the state
11:49of being held responsible
11:51for something
11:52or someone.
11:53Take accountability.
11:54Accountability.
11:55Accountability.
11:55I'm not even gonna
11:56say the word accountability.
11:57Holy shit,
11:57we use that word
11:58way too much.
11:59But take accountability.
12:01I love the accountability.
12:03The last scene alone
12:05had like 12.
12:05I'm the only one
12:06not in that montage.
12:08I don't buy into it.
12:09Jesse,
12:10what'd she say?
12:11She said,
12:11I'm probably not in that montage.
12:12No, that was Jordan.
12:13Wow, Jesse Goldstar.
12:15Whitney,
12:15at one point
12:16this past season,
12:17you called the other women
12:18your co-workers.
12:20Like,
12:20what inspired
12:21this change of heart?
12:22Because it looked like
12:23overnight,
12:24you were like,
12:24I want everyone
12:25to be friends again.
12:26Honestly,
12:26I feel like it was
12:27more so during press week.
12:29I think like
12:30it was just
12:30Demi and I
12:31and then it was
12:32everyone else.
12:33These were huge milestones
12:34that we were all
12:35accomplishing together.
12:37So I was like,
12:37it's kind of sad
12:37that like
12:38we can't even be
12:39work friends.
12:41Macy,
12:41I want to ask you
12:42why she went to you
12:43to heal mom talk.
12:45At first,
12:45when she approached me,
12:46I was like,
12:46this is a bad idea.
12:47And then I was like,
12:48okay,
12:48well,
12:49we can try it.
12:50And I can't make
12:51any promises
12:51that people aren't
12:52going to break out
12:53in a fight.
12:53But I think it was cool
12:54because it took
12:54every single one of us
12:56had to be vulnerable
12:56and open up
12:57or else it wouldn't
12:57have gone the way
12:58that it did.
12:58It went better
12:59than I thought it did.
12:59It went better
13:00than I thought it would.
13:01Yeah.
13:02I feel like I'm good
13:03with every single
13:04one of you.
13:04I would consider
13:05every single one of you
13:05one of my friends.
13:07Yeah.
13:08Well,
13:09the guys have been
13:09patiently waiting backstage,
13:11but I think it's time
13:12we bring them out
13:13to join the fun.
13:15Dad Talk,
13:16come on out.
13:19See you out there.
13:20I'm nervous about going.
13:21I don't know
13:22what you're talking about me,
13:23but I am the is.
13:25Here to join
13:26in on the fun
13:27are Jace,
13:28Jordan,
13:29Connor,
13:30Zach,
13:30and Jacob.
13:31I was just in London
13:32filming the next season
13:33of Vanderpump Villa
13:34and some of you guys
13:35were there.
13:36How was the villa, guys?
13:39Zach,
13:40why did you turn
13:40bright red?
13:42I just saw some things.
13:43Oh, what?
13:44Oh, what'd you see?
13:45Those aren't my secrets
13:46to share.
13:47I will say
13:48he was a little testy
13:49when he came home
13:49from London,
13:50so I was like,
13:50you been hanging out
13:51with Jordan too much?
13:52It's a little spicy.
13:54It's not usually spicy.
13:55What happened in England?
13:56You're going to have
13:57to wait and tune in.
13:58Just wait.
13:59Oh.
14:00All right,
14:01more of that
14:02on season four
14:03of Secret Lives
14:04of Mormon Wives.
14:05Now,
14:05if you need a drink
14:06at home,
14:07grab a chaser,
14:08and for anyone here,
14:09just grab Chase.
14:10Let's see
14:11who else is behind the bar.
14:13Oh.
14:13Oh.
14:13Mason,
14:23why is your shirt on?
14:24Take it off.
14:25So you guys are official.
14:27Mm-hmm.
14:27Official,
14:28official.
14:28Mm-hmm.
14:29How are you?
14:30Good.
14:30How are you?
14:31Good.
14:31Good.
14:33Mason is Chase's brother,
14:34and he's frickin' hot.
14:36I used to see Chase
14:38and I see you.
14:39Do you think it's weird,
14:40to be honest?
14:41I don't know.
14:42I guess it's not weird.
14:44I saw Chase a year ago now.
14:46I know that Mason
14:46was interested in me first
14:48before Chase was,
14:48so I just accidentally
14:50tried out the wrong brother first,
14:52and now we're doing redo.
14:55Cute.
14:58Also,
14:59Layla,
14:59so I hear
15:00Mason has met your kids.
15:02Yes, yes.
15:03Do they love him?
15:03Did he pass the test?
15:04The kids test?
15:05I fear they're obsessed with him,
15:06yeah.
15:07The other day
15:07when we were on that hike.
15:08Yeah.
15:08Because he looks like Tarzan.
15:09Have they seen that movie?
15:10I always,
15:11every single time they're eating,
15:12they're like,
15:12I'm going to eat all my food
15:13so I get big muscles like Mason.
15:15I'm like,
15:15oh, okay.
15:16So smart.
15:18I have to ask,
15:20who's a better kisser?
15:22Definitely Mason.
15:24I was going to ask his bigger.
15:27I want to shift gears
15:28from Mason and Layla
15:29and talk about
15:30another relationship.
15:31Michaela and Jace,
15:32you guys were very vulnerable
15:34about your struggles this season.
15:36I feel like I've made
15:38a lot of strides
15:39with my past sexual abuse
15:42but as far as
15:43the intimacy issues,
15:44I feel like it's been
15:45one area
15:46that I haven't been able
15:47to progress at all.
15:50Intimacy for me
15:51is really important.
15:52It's like a deal breaker.
15:53I think it's someone else's fault
15:54that took things
15:55and stole things from you
15:56and if I'm frustrated,
15:57I'm frustrating at those people.
15:59I'm not frustrated with you.
16:00Michaela,
16:02how does it feel
16:03hearing Jace say
16:05not having intimacy
16:06is an issue for him?
16:09Sorry,
16:09I'm just going to take a second.
16:21Sorry,
16:22I'm just going to take a second.
16:23Yeah.
16:23Sorry.
16:33It's still really fresh,
16:34everything that I'm working through.
16:36I know it's a really big need of his
16:38and I think he's been
16:39very patient with me.
16:43Michaela's been amazing.
16:45I think that she's handling it
16:46better than I could have
16:47in her situation.
16:48Have things improved at all
16:50since the finale,
16:52since that time?
16:53I feel like I haven't had
16:54my body
16:56or felt in my body
16:57for a long time
16:57because of my health issues.
16:59Also,
16:59she had a baby.
17:00And I just had a baby.
17:02She carried that baby to term
17:03and pushed that baby out.
17:05And then after having the baby,
17:06it's like my health stuff
17:07all came back 180 overnight
17:08and then for him,
17:09it's still hard
17:10because we're still having
17:11the intimacy issues
17:12and I'm like,
17:13I don't know how to overcome it
17:14and I think that's what's hard.
17:16Yeah.
17:18Jesse,
17:19you look like you're getting
17:20emotional.
17:22Yeah.
17:23Um,
17:24I
17:25actually loved watching
17:27Makiyo's story
17:28because I knew that
17:29it happened to her,
17:30but seeing it play out
17:31and like seeing her thoughts
17:32and feelings behind it,
17:34um,
17:34I can relate.
17:35I,
17:35I've been doing a lot of therapy
17:36because of mine and Jordan's
17:37situation
17:38and I actually uncovered
17:39the memory that I was raped
17:40when I was 19.
17:45And,
17:46um,
17:48it,
17:48it really,
17:48it like started a lot
17:50of my,
17:51um,
17:52issues,
17:52um,
17:53about like going emotionally
17:54numb and pushing people away
17:56and feeling not good enough.
17:57And after uncovering that,
17:59um,
18:01me and Jordan already had
18:02our struggles,
18:02but it made it worse.
18:03Like I,
18:04I don't exactly,
18:06I,
18:06like,
18:08I don't want him to touch me
18:09and it's not his fault,
18:10but like,
18:11it's so crazy how your body reacts.
18:14It's not just your emotions,
18:15you know?
18:16Um,
18:17so yeah,
18:17that's just been another layer
18:18of healing for me,
18:19but watching her story,
18:21like it just really hit home
18:22for me.
18:22And I,
18:22I understand fully
18:24how that can feel.
18:27Connor,
18:27what's going through your head
18:28right now?
18:29I'm so sorry,
18:35Jesse.
18:37I feel like
18:38I can't relate
18:40in the same way.
18:41I struggled
18:42with intimacy
18:43in polarizing ways.
18:46And I don't want to speak
18:47for Michaela or Jesse
18:47or anyone else,
18:49but it can be challenging
18:50to rewire your brain.
18:52At least for me,
18:53the two polarizing parts
18:54were like,
18:55please don't touch me.
18:56I don't have control here.
18:58And it scares me
18:59to,
19:00I want to have
19:01like hypersexuality.
19:02Like I want to have
19:02as much sex as possible
19:03to put distance between me
19:05and that event.
19:06I just need to get that
19:07out of my system.
19:09So I don't know
19:11if I can necessarily relate
19:12with your relationships,
19:13but I do know
19:15that the patience
19:16that you are giving
19:17your spouses
19:18is healing
19:19and it is breeding intimacy
19:21between the both of you.
19:23I feel like
19:23that's one good thing
19:24that has come from the fame.
19:25I think it has pushed
19:26a lot of us
19:27out of our comfort
19:27zone.
19:28I don't know
19:28when I would have
19:29talked about it.
19:30For me,
19:30I would probably
19:30just push it away
19:31until I was 40 or 50.
19:33So I think this is
19:34a great thing.
19:34Like all the conversations
19:35that we've had,
19:36I think are amazing
19:37and I think they're helping
19:38so many people
19:39that are watching.
19:40So I think that's my,
19:41that's my pro.
19:43Demi, are you okay?
19:48What is this triggering
19:50for you?
19:52I think just like
19:52deep, deep wounds
19:53and things for me
19:55that I haven't fully
19:56uncovered
19:56and things I know
19:58I've been through
20:00that I've blocked out
20:03as well.
20:04And then just listening
20:05to you guys talk about it
20:06is like,
20:07it's so sad
20:07that we're sitting here
20:08in a room
20:09and like how many people
20:11in this room
20:12have experienced
20:13something like this
20:14to a degree.
20:14and that with everything
20:16that I went through
20:16the past year,
20:18not to compare
20:19because what I went through
20:20was not even close
20:23to what
20:23most everyone
20:26has gone through
20:26but it triggered
20:27a lot of
20:28really horrible things
20:30that have happened
20:31in my life.
20:33So to not be believed
20:35and be questioned
20:37and like be called
20:38a liar,
20:39yeah,
20:42it was just horrible.
20:43So I'm touched
20:45to like hear
20:45the way you guys
20:46are talking about it
20:47and Connor,
20:48when you talk about it,
20:49it's like
20:49my little younger self
20:52is like getting the hug
20:54that I needed.
20:55You guys should be
20:56so proud of yourselves.
20:57Thank you
20:58for being so open,
21:00all of you.
21:00I feel like you're going
21:01to help so many people
21:02by talking about it.
21:04We have a former member
21:05of Dad Talk
21:06waiting to join us
21:07and now feels like
21:08a good time.
21:09Let's bring out Brett.
21:10He's joined us here now.
21:14How are you doing?
21:15Doing well.
21:15Happy to be here.
21:16Good.
21:17So for the past two seasons,
21:19fans have been wondering
21:20what really happened
21:21with Marciano
21:22and Mom Talk.
21:23We've read receipts,
21:25reviewed recaps,
21:26and for some reason
21:27still haven't
21:28wrapped this up.
21:29Take a look.
21:30So I met with Marciano
21:31and he told me
21:33that you guys
21:34have been having
21:35an affair
21:35the past couple months.
21:37He told me
21:38that you guys had sex.
21:40Oh my fucking hell.
21:41I can't.
21:42We did not have sex.
21:44There's dark parts of me
21:45that just sometimes
21:47want to throw up my hands
21:47and just say
21:48I don't want to do this anymore.
21:50Are you still the person
21:50that I want to be with?
21:52It ultimately led to us
21:54deciding to separate.
21:56Did Demi tell you
21:57to say that you slept
21:58with Jesse?
21:59Yeah.
21:59Did you and Demi
22:00kiss in Italy?
22:01Oh God, you guys.
22:03If I go admitting to that,
22:04I just don't want a war.
22:05I know Marciano was hurt
22:06by me ending things abruptly.
22:08So it does make sense
22:10that he would join forces
22:12with Demi
22:12because he wanted revenge.
22:14Oh.
22:15What?
22:16Who is that?
22:17Marciano.
22:17He said uninvited
22:19to the function
22:19because a 30-year-old
22:20Mormon wife scared
22:21to tell her husband the truth.
22:23And then Demi commented,
22:24she goes,
22:25grown men acting like a child
22:27because they couldn't
22:27bag a married woman.
22:28And then she commented
22:29another night
22:30and also she got uninvited
22:31because he's a sexual predator.
22:32He's not a sexual.
22:33He's not.
22:34He's not a predator.
22:35I think the biggest thing
22:36for me that's triggering
22:37right now is not feeling believed
22:39and not feeling like
22:41people truly want
22:41to understand.
22:43She knows how to
22:43bulldoze you in conversation.
22:45She has a way
22:46of making people believe her.
22:47Never once
22:48did I feel it for him.
22:50We've never kissed
22:51in our life.
22:51I've never even told him
22:53he was cute.
22:54Period.
22:55The end.
22:55My gut is telling me
22:56everything is calculated.
22:58I definitely think
22:59she's a threat
22:59to MomTalks Foundation.
23:01The band is officially
23:02back together.
23:02We still have a lot
23:03to work on
23:03but I do feel
23:05a little more hopeful
23:05because I am seeing
23:06patterns and behaviors
23:07that I needed to see before.
23:09I personally feel like
23:11the things that I've
23:11needed to face,
23:12I've faced.
23:13So are you ready
23:14to officially move back in?
23:16I'm over the moon
23:17about having a chance
23:18to take another stab
23:20at this.
23:20So Jessie,
23:23you had an emotional affair
23:24with Marciano.
23:26What did he provide
23:29for you emotionally?
23:31I always say like
23:33it honestly could have
23:33been anyone.
23:34At home I just was feeling
23:36not seen,
23:37not appreciated,
23:38not loved.
23:38I couldn't do anything right.
23:39So just to have someone
23:40who like thought I was cool
23:42or funny or just like
23:44didn't see those negative things,
23:46like it was just someone
23:46getting me attention
23:47in a positive way
23:48and not putting me down
23:49all the time.
23:49Do you regret though cheating?
23:52Yeah.
23:52I wish I would have
23:53just left Jordan
23:53at that time
23:54instead of cheating.
23:56I truly was like
23:57if I do something like this
23:58like that will get me out.
24:00It was almost like
24:01well he hasn't hit me,
24:02he hasn't done anything
24:03like that.
24:03So like it was really hard
24:04to like justify leaving
24:06but emotional abuse
24:07and that toxicity
24:08can drain you
24:09and it did
24:09and it made me a person
24:10I'm not proud of.
24:12Macy,
24:12I know you had a lot
24:13of opinions about this.
24:16Yeah, no,
24:16it's hard.
24:16I obviously am someone
24:18who has been through
24:18an abusive relationship
24:19and I know theirs
24:20isn't the same as mine
24:21but I think for me
24:22I like that Jordan
24:23was finally owning things
24:24but I was also like
24:25as long as you
24:26we had the action behind it
24:27because words are just words
24:28unless there's action
24:29put behind it.
24:30But yeah,
24:31no, I mean
24:31it's not something
24:32you want to hear
24:32about your friend
24:33and that's why
24:33I'm always really
24:34protective of Taylor
24:35but at the end of the day
24:35I know they have to
24:36make their own choices
24:37so I try to stay
24:38in one relationship
24:39at a time
24:39and do what I can
24:40so I'm not trying
24:41to jump too deep
24:41into Jesse now.
24:43I will say
24:44I do remember him
24:45taking his part
24:47of being like
24:47I did mess up
24:48I did do this to her
24:49and I did do that
24:49and there was no buts after
24:50and so I appreciated
24:52that part of it
24:52but behind closed doors
24:54when you go home with him
24:55I don't know how that was
24:55so we all don't know
24:57that part
24:57so only they can speak
24:59on that one.
24:59Well Jesse
25:00do you feel like
25:01Jordan has put action
25:02behind it?
25:02Yeah
25:03we've been in therapy
25:04for a while
25:04and I have seen
25:05a lot of changes
25:06I will say
25:06like I wouldn't still
25:07be here
25:07if that wasn't happening
25:08unfortunately
25:10healing isn't overnight
25:11so we've had setbacks
25:12and there are still
25:13things I worry about
25:14but overall
25:15I do feel like
25:16he's taken
25:16what I've said
25:18and applied
25:18a lot of it
25:19I just need time
25:20to see
25:20if it's going to feel
25:21genuine
25:22you know?
25:23Jordan
25:23how do you feel
25:24about that?
25:25I've had to make changes
25:26and I've had to
25:26look at myself
25:27in the mirror
25:28and like
25:28think about
25:29like the kind of person
25:30that I want to be
25:30not for Jesse
25:32but for myself
25:32like I am
25:34I'm proud of myself
25:34for the changes
25:35that I've made
25:36and I really hope
25:37that those changes
25:39are enough
25:40to have a chance
25:41at saving my family.
25:42Well
25:43there was even more
25:44drama behind the scenes
25:46the night Layla
25:46broke the news
25:47of Jesse's affair.
25:48Take a look
25:49at this extended cut
25:50of one of the phone calls
25:51between Jesse
25:52and Marciano.
25:55I'm just gonna go
25:56like this
25:56so I was told
26:00that you said
26:01we had sex
26:02you know
26:03that that's not true
26:04so I'm just confused
26:05why it was said
26:06that way.
26:07Jesse
26:07I'm not gonna get
26:08into a disagreement
26:09with you.
26:09Okay
26:09do you think
26:10we had sex?
26:15Uh
26:15yeah
26:17I mean
26:18that's how I remember it.
26:19We kissed twice
26:20that was it.
26:21Okay
26:21no
26:22Marciano
26:23you know that
26:24like I'm just
26:25you know that
26:27I
26:27I'm willing to be
26:29so open and honest
26:30that I had feelings
26:30for you
26:31like
26:31I was struggling
26:32in my marriage
26:33but I want it
26:33to be the truth.
26:34It's everything.
26:36A hundred percent.
26:37You didn't talk about
26:37how you wanted
26:37to leave Jordan
26:38and that you loved me.
26:39Yes
26:40one thousand percent.
26:41I'm gonna have to
26:42like everything's coming out
26:43so that's why
26:43I just really want
26:44it to be the truth.
26:45This is the thing
26:46is that we're gonna
26:47have this shit
26:47come out
26:48be fucking honest.
26:49This is so much
26:49bigger than you think.
26:51To me
26:51really fucked me.
26:52I don't lie into it.
26:53I really can't.
26:54She fucking used me.
26:56It's all in the sight.
26:57Oh my god.
26:58I gotta go.
26:59Jordan
27:00how do you feel
27:01watching that?
27:02Well
27:02um
27:03a little bit
27:04um
27:05triggered.
27:09Okay.
27:10Yeah.
27:12I uh
27:13was
27:13specifically told
27:14by Jessie
27:15that
27:15she never had said
27:17that she was gonna
27:18leave me for
27:19that piece of shit.
27:20I didn't say
27:20I was gonna leave
27:21you for him.
27:22I told Marciano
27:23I most likely
27:24I'm gonna leave
27:24my husband
27:25because I'm unhappy.
27:26I never said
27:26it was for him
27:27and I've told you
27:27that.
27:28That footage
27:29is what that said.
27:30He said
27:30leave Jordan
27:31period.
27:32He didn't say
27:33for me
27:33and I never said
27:34for him.
27:34I may have put
27:35that in my own
27:35head then.
27:36Yeah.
27:36Okay.
27:37Well then
27:37yeah.
27:39Jessie
27:39the results
27:40of the lie detector
27:41test were
27:42inconclusive
27:43at parts.
27:44Yeah.
27:45Specifically
27:45the parts
27:46about
27:46contact with Marciano
27:48besides two kisses.
27:50We got the results.
27:50The results are in.
27:52Have you ever
27:52had sexual intercourse
27:53with Marciano?
27:54It says no.
27:55True.
27:56Yeah.
27:56So you're good
27:57on that one.
27:58Number two
27:58besides those two kisses
27:59have you ever had
28:00any sexual
28:00physical contact
28:01Marciano?
28:02No.
28:05Inconclusive.
28:06Wait what?
28:08What can you say
28:09about that?
28:09I know
28:09that looks so bad.
28:10I was like shit.
28:11So in the moment
28:12when she asked
28:13that question
28:13I was like
28:14okay nothing else
28:14happened besides
28:15those two kisses
28:16honestly.
28:16But in my head
28:17I was like
28:17hey well I did
28:18touch his arm
28:18like he did
28:19grab me here
28:20like there were
28:20things like that
28:21but I'm like
28:21I don't want to
28:22say yes
28:22so I said no
28:23and then it
28:23came back that way
28:24so I understand
28:25why because in my
28:26head I was having
28:27that internal battle.
28:28At this point though
28:29like I know my truth
28:30it did say we
28:31didn't have sex
28:31and I'm glad
28:32that that was
28:33cleared up
28:33and genuinely
28:34nothing else
28:35happened
28:35and at this point
28:36I would also say it
28:37because also
28:38what do you have
28:39to lose at this point?
28:40No literally
28:40and half the time
28:41I've wanted to leave
28:41Jordan
28:42it would give me
28:42a reason
28:43genuinely
28:44and I've told him
28:45that.
28:45Can I ask you guys
28:46just to everybody
28:47you watch Marciano
28:48talk like that
28:49the way that he talks
28:50how do you give
28:52anything that he says
28:53any credibility
28:54whatsoever?
28:55I think that's why
28:56it's so messy
28:56is because you can't.
28:58Well we know
28:58he's not reliable
28:59we're just using
29:00the facts that we've seen too.
29:01It's not what Marciano
29:03is saying
29:04we clearly know
29:05he speaks in riddles.
29:06When you guys were
29:07at the villa
29:08in England
29:09you guys seemed
29:10okay with Marciano.
29:13No.
29:13I wasn't.
29:15Yeah I will be honest
29:16I never chummed up
29:16with them
29:17yeah not me.
29:18He did seem like
29:19he was a nice guy there
29:20he was charismatic
29:21he stayed out of the drama
29:22like I felt like
29:23he was respectful
29:23to Jordan
29:24so it was confusing.
29:26Okay Demi
29:27what do you say
29:28about continuing
29:28on a friendship
29:30and relationship
29:31with him
29:32after what you're
29:34accusing him of?
29:35Yeah I mean
29:36we have to separate
29:37the two because
29:38you can be sexually
29:40assaulted
29:40and then also
29:41continue a relationship
29:42so one doesn't
29:43have to take away
29:44from the other
29:45and why I did that
29:47I think honestly
29:48just boils down
29:48to a trauma response
29:49and having a lack
29:52of boundaries
29:52and feeling like
29:53I needed to make
29:54excuses for what
29:55happened
29:55and also to keep
29:56what happened
29:58quiet
29:59because I didn't
30:00want it to come out
30:01and like the best
30:02way to describe it
30:03is the hell
30:03that I've been through
30:04for the past year
30:05and the women
30:06who didn't understand
30:07like well why
30:08didn't you want
30:08that to come out
30:09I don't understand
30:09how that doesn't
30:10affect you.
30:11It's weird though
30:12and again
30:12I'm not trying
30:13to call you a liar
30:13to this day
30:14he will double down
30:15on a few things
30:17and one of those
30:17things is when we
30:18were Demi and I
30:19were leaving the villa
30:19we kissed on the lips
30:21No I did not
30:22because it was off camera
30:22Jen when you say
30:24things like it was
30:25off camera
30:25why are you saying
30:26that as though you know
30:27to me I've seen it now
30:29things did happen
30:30between Demi and Marciano
30:31whether she wants
30:32to admit it or not
30:33I mean she was
30:34literally right next
30:36to him like grabbing
30:37his hands
30:37like googly eyes
30:39like talking
30:40laughing
30:40like it for sure
30:42did not seem
30:43like a married woman
30:46was talking to
30:47another single man
30:48with boundaries
30:48Did you see
30:49anything happen
30:50off camera?
30:52I hate to say
30:52the word
30:53but like again
30:54I just haven't
30:55seen any accountability
30:55Jen did you see
30:56anything fucking
30:58happen off camera?
31:00I didn't
31:00Why did you say
31:01you did?
31:01Why are you
31:01fucking saying
31:02a word?
31:03Why did you
31:04threaten
31:04a citizen?
31:05Because of the
31:05shit I've gone
31:06through for the
31:07past year
31:07Jen
31:08which you don't
31:09fucking understand
31:10because you've
31:10never been sexually
31:11assaulted
31:11Yes I actually have
31:12She has
31:13She has
31:13She has
31:14Okay
31:14Then have some
31:16fucking respect
31:17because I was too
31:19I'm not talking to you
31:21You're talking to my wife
31:22Yeah I'm talking to your wife
31:23I'm talking to your wife
31:25Then talk respectfully
31:25I will talk to her
31:27how I feel like
31:28she deserves to be
31:29talked to
31:29I've done nothing to Jen
31:30She's made my life
31:31I'm living hell
31:32You've done nothing to me
31:33You bullied me
31:34I bullied you
31:35After you went
31:36You sat in the thing
31:37We're here for you
31:37We know what happened
31:38We're on your side
31:40Five seconds later
31:41you turn to Mikaela
31:41and go
31:42If she comes from
31:43next season
31:43I'm exposing this
31:44What the fuck
31:45is wrong with you?
31:46What the actual
31:47fuck is wrong
31:48with your brain?
31:49What the fuck
31:54is wrong with you?
31:55What the actual
31:56fuck is wrong
31:57with your brain?
31:57How do you feel
31:58about your wife
31:59texting the word
32:00come to another man?
32:01How do you feel
32:01about that?
32:02Jen, listen
32:03No
32:03Listen to what I'm
32:04going to tell you
32:04Just listen
32:05I'll answer your question
32:06Answer my question
32:06I'm asking
32:06I started asking
32:07How do you feel
32:08about that?
32:08I started asking
32:08The word come
32:09So just with respect
32:10Is that appropriate?
32:11With respect
32:11Just listen
32:12Okay but it's hard
32:13to be respectful
32:13when it's not being
32:14reciprocated
32:15It's got to go
32:18both ways
32:18I understand
32:19If you want
32:19to be heard out
32:20you've got to
32:20hear other people
32:21Here's the problem
32:21Because there's
32:2120 different things
32:22that we could say
32:23You're the one
32:23telling people
32:24to shut their
32:24fucking mouth
32:25Zach, come on
32:26I'm not going
32:27to be disrespectful
32:28to Jen
32:29Don't be disrespectful
32:30to me
32:31Please
32:31He's not being
32:32disrespectful
32:33He's literally
32:34just talking
32:34The question I have
32:35for you is
32:36She's telling me
32:36to shut my
32:37fucking mouth
32:38Can you listen
32:39to one thing
32:40Are you trying
32:40to avoid my question?
32:41I don't understand
32:42why you keep
32:42interrupting
32:43Please
32:43Jen
32:45I am asking you
32:46If you didn't see
32:47the things
32:48that you said
32:48you saw
32:49Why did you say
32:50you did?
32:51Why did you say
32:52you saw her
32:52sitting on his lap?
32:53Why did you say
32:54you saw her
32:54kiss him on the lips?
32:55Hold on
32:56And before you answer
32:57just know
32:57there's footage
32:58like the whole thing
32:59was filmed
32:59We just need to stop
33:00This is clearly
33:01not the place
33:01But it's two ways
33:03Why don't we talk
33:05about Demi
33:05and Jessie's
33:06relationship
33:06their friendship
33:07You guys
33:08were best friends
33:09Thick as thieves
33:10always together
33:11and now
33:12it's like
33:13how would you
33:14describe
33:14your friendship
33:15today?
33:16I watched it fall apart
33:17Yeah
33:17I would say
33:18that we've
33:18made strides
33:20and we've talked
33:20about things
33:21but I have walls up
33:22because I don't
33:23fully trust
33:23and I think
33:24she did multiple
33:24things to me
33:25back to back
33:26to back
33:26to back
33:27so I don't
33:28quite understand
33:29certain things
33:29and I think
33:30because of that
33:30I still have
33:30a huge guard up
33:31Demi
33:31how do you feel
33:32about her
33:32your friendship
33:33Yeah
33:33it's almost
33:34it's almost
33:34as though
33:34we haven't
33:35had conversations
33:35like when I hear
33:36her say that
33:37and it's like
33:37I don't understand
33:38to me
33:38I'm confused
33:39because we've
33:39talked this
33:40through so many
33:42times
33:42my intention
33:43from start
33:44to finish
33:45was so that
33:46this never
33:46fucking came
33:48to light
33:48and in
33:49placating
33:50and being
33:50nice to
33:51Marciano
33:51he was gonna
33:52go on a podcast
33:53and I was like
33:54shit
33:54I need to
33:55control
33:56how this
33:57plays out
33:57why were you
33:58so involved
33:59in my story
34:00because I was
34:00trying to keep
34:01him at bay
34:02I understand
34:02placating
34:03because I did it
34:04but I was trying
34:05to hide something
34:05I did wrong
34:06so why did you
34:06feel like you
34:07had to placate
34:07because I didn't
34:08want to go through
34:08what I've been
34:09going through
34:09the past year
34:10and have to
34:10talk about
34:11this at all
34:11I feel like
34:12this is an
34:13impossible situation
34:14because right
34:14before this
34:15we just saw
34:16you know
34:16everyone's talking
34:17about sexual
34:17assault
34:18and you clearly
34:18see Demi
34:19crying
34:20and like
34:20that's a
34:21super sensitive
34:21topic
34:21I think the reason
34:23we want to have
34:23these conversations
34:24is because
34:24when we say
34:25it doesn't add up
34:26we're not trying
34:26to say you're a liar
34:27discredit you
34:28but like in our
34:28minds from what
34:29we know
34:29it doesn't
34:30Macy
34:31how uncomfortable
34:32would it be
34:32if you got
34:33and I'm sorry
34:34I'm not trying
34:35to be insensitive
34:35but you got
34:36raped by your
34:37abuser
34:37or you got
34:38slapped
34:39or whatever
34:39and then afterwards
34:40you're like
34:40I love you
34:41and then later
34:42they're like
34:42Macy it's really
34:43weird that you
34:44said I love you
34:44that is so different
34:45to being in a relationship
34:46no no no
34:47yeah I don't like
34:48when you do that
34:48being in a relationship
34:49with someone is so
34:50different than someone
34:51you knew for two days
34:51I'm sorry
34:52the problem is
34:52that you got
34:53becoming the
34:54the judge jury
34:55and executioner
34:56as to how she reacted
34:57well she put me
34:58in a really bad position
34:59so I have every right
35:00to question her too
35:00I'm sorry
35:01this is a tit for tap
35:02for you
35:02yeah it has to be
35:03this is bullshit
35:04and I'm about to walk off
35:05then go
35:06how do we get
35:07to the bottom of this
35:08if people
35:08why are you
35:09I don't think
35:10why are you acting
35:11this way towards me
35:12you would be
35:12because I'm still confused
35:13I want answers
35:15it's all these things
35:16where we're like
35:16this doesn't add up
35:17I just don't appreciate
35:18the lies
35:19the lies piss me off
35:20so bad
35:20because it's affected
35:21my life
35:22for the past year
35:23in a very negative way
35:24and Jen's off
35:25living her merry life
35:26on Dancing with the Stars
35:27raking in dollar bills
35:29and I'm a lying villain
35:30you don't think
35:31bullying me
35:31affected me
35:32sweetie
35:32how did I bully you
35:34how did you bully me
35:35you treated me like shit
35:37you were lying about me
35:39and then you expected me
35:40to have this wave
35:41of empathy for you
35:42because you were
35:43having a hard time
35:44I think that
35:48this is
35:48this is gonna have
35:49to be a larger conversation
35:50I don't think
35:50this is gonna be
35:51wrapped up today
35:52I think too much
35:53but do you see
35:54we just have
35:55we want to talk about
35:56I truly hope
35:59you all
35:59can find a way
36:00to move forward
36:01with all of this
36:02but we need
36:03to move on
36:04with the reunion
36:04we have another guest
36:06coming
36:07I am
36:08kindly requesting
36:09all of your cooperation
36:11our next guest
36:12only agreed
36:13to participate
36:14if the ladies
36:14of MomTalk
36:15exited the stage
36:17while their interview
36:17takes place
36:18out of respect
36:20for that request
36:21I am asking
36:21Taylor
36:22Macy
36:23Michaela
36:24Jen
36:25Jesse
36:26Layla
36:27Miranda
36:27Demi
36:28and Whitney
36:29to follow
36:30our stage manager
36:31back to their dressing rooms
36:32where they can continue
36:33watching the reunion
36:35Demi's example
36:43where she
36:44if there weren't cameras
36:45they would have been like
36:45oh did I physically assault you
36:47would you tell people that
36:48that I was
36:49like
36:49that I put my hands on you
36:51which is an assault
36:51like I
36:52for a while
36:53was like
36:53am I gonna get strung out
36:54as like someone who
36:55hits girls
36:56yeah
36:57all because of
36:58you know
36:58she was
36:59at an emotional high
37:00and I think
37:01I'd love to chat with her
37:02about that
37:03because I've never been able to
37:03our experiences are valid
37:05and it's like muddied
37:06because of this stupid
37:08fucking asshole
37:09that's lied
37:09and sorry but Jen
37:11who's lied
37:12and put all these things
37:13in your head
37:13that never happened
37:14okay
37:16she's not telling lies
37:17she's telling her experience
37:18and she saw you be flirting
37:18the villain
37:19so did all of us
37:20I will never put myself
37:21in a situation like that again
37:22and that sucks
37:23especially when you've
37:24been in that situation
37:26and it like
37:26brings up old stuff
37:28like
37:28then you start
37:29really blaming yourself
37:30for like
37:31what they do
37:32it's more painful
37:33to not be believed
37:34than to say
37:35or not to go over it
37:37over and over
37:37and over
37:38and feel the pain
37:39of past things
37:40than to just say
37:41fuck yeah
37:42we kissed
37:43fuck yeah
37:43this happened
37:44I'd rather
37:44something fucking
37:46happened at this point
37:47it's excruciating
37:48and it's ruining
37:49my reputation
37:50and we hear you
37:51and we hear you
37:52all not
37:52sorry
37:55don't feel like
38:19you have to go out there
38:19no I feel like
38:20I have to for me
38:21okay for you
38:22then let's fucking do it
38:23let's do it
38:24I want you to really
38:25feel like
38:26you're up to it
38:27every part of me
38:28wants to run
38:28and I'm like
38:29no
38:29you're gonna stay
38:30like you deserve
38:31to be here
38:32and like
38:33you're not gonna
38:34let them win
38:35did you leave
38:36leave
38:36she might have
38:37I heard this wailing
38:38and I was like
38:39what was that noise
38:39and she's outside
38:40talking to somebody
38:41I saw Brett
38:42talking to people
38:42yeah
38:43so I don't know
38:43if she was leaving
38:44or not
38:44okay
38:46I know that was a lot
38:48but we do have
38:49a special guest
38:49waiting to come out
38:50is everyone ready
38:52oh my gosh
39:01did he
39:02so he's been watching
39:03this whole thing
39:04welcome back
39:05to the secret lives
39:06of Mormon wives
39:07season three reunion
39:08against all odds
39:10and expectations
39:11we have Dakota
39:12here with me
39:13and the rest
39:14of dad talk
39:15tensions between mom talk
39:17and dad talk
39:17took a toll
39:18on many of our cast members
39:19this season
39:20and in an effort
39:21to speak his truth
39:23Dakota agreed
39:24to join us tonight
39:25on the condition
39:25that Taylor
39:26and the rest of mom talk
39:27be backstage
39:28can we turn this up
39:29a little bit
39:29Dakota
39:30I was rooting
39:31for you and Taylor's
39:32relationship
39:32and now
39:33you can't even be
39:34on the same stage
39:35with her
39:36why you little bitch
39:36you have to admit
39:37it's kind of crazy
39:39that you kicked
39:40the girls
39:41okay
39:41off of their own
39:43stage
39:43I'm just gonna say
39:44that was a little more
39:45dramatic than I thought
39:46it was gonna be
39:47it wasn't supposed
39:47to be like that
39:48none of the husbands
39:49are getting sex tonight
39:50that's for sure
39:50Connor already did
39:51before 8am
39:52yeah
39:53wow
39:53I know
39:54all I wanted
39:54was just to be able
39:55to have like a
39:56good conversation
39:57and I think most people
39:58would agree
39:59that like when me
39:59and Taylor are together
40:00it's really hard
40:01for us to just talk
40:03so that was really
40:04my only thing
40:05I think that's fair
40:06your relationship
40:07with Taylor
40:08has gotten to a point
40:09where she'll be
40:10looking for love
40:11on the next season
40:12of The Bachelorette
40:13what happened
40:15let's take a look
40:16how are you
40:18how are things
40:18good
40:19you had him
40:19like for 11 days
40:20yeah I did
40:21it was like good
40:22bonding for us
40:23really
40:23yeah
40:23well I'm sure
40:24well yeah
40:25I feel so close
40:26to him
40:26the goal is
40:28to have
40:29healthy co-parenting
40:30and to focus
40:32on our healing
40:33individually
40:34I am not going
40:35to be in a relationship
40:36until I'm in a healthier
40:37spot
40:37my roommate went
40:38missing this morning
40:39yes we had sex
40:45like obviously
40:46how about that
40:47I love you
40:48last night
40:48if ever there was
40:50a future for Dakota
40:51and I
40:51there would have to be
40:52no more lies
40:53no more secrets
40:54are Taylor and Dakota
40:55back together
40:56I'm not trying to
40:57snitch
40:58but during one of the
40:59times they were
41:00broken up
41:00Leanne's friend
41:01she started like
41:03hitting on him
41:03and it kind of
41:04turned sexual
41:05this is the fourth
41:06girl now and it's
41:06like it's a fucking
41:07family member
41:07I hate you
41:09I don't think you
41:10like understand
41:10how big of a deal
41:11this is
41:12I just like want
41:15your full transparency
41:16Dakota came clean
41:18to me
41:19there's never been
41:20anything going on
41:20between me and Dakota
41:21I literally would have
41:23only invited him over
41:24to cry it out
41:25or whatever
41:25cry it out
41:26and then fuck
41:27you haven't been
41:31happy for three years
41:32I did my
41:34mediation
41:35Taylor I'm glad
41:36that you
41:37took the initiative
41:38to contact
41:39the attorney
41:40and finally
41:40set some boundaries
41:41I have no choice
41:42we're done
41:43sorry can you
41:45throw me that
41:46water real quick
41:46to make you nervous
41:48yeah you guys
41:49he's sweating
41:51he's like hey
41:52what lies did you
41:52cover up right now
41:53how are you
41:54and Taylor now
41:54I don't I mean
41:55I think
41:56probably not good
42:00if I had to say
42:02like
42:02and I don't like
42:04that like
42:04I wish it was
42:05I wish it was
42:07better
42:07but I just think
42:08the emotions
42:09are still like
42:09really high
42:10okay
42:11in your words
42:12what happened
42:13with Taylor's
42:14family friend
42:15it's been over
42:16two years now
42:17so I think
42:19when this happened
42:20me and Taylor
42:20were together
42:21for like
42:2210 months
42:22we were both
42:23in a very toxic
42:25cycle
42:25for me anyways
42:26it was like
42:27I was always
42:27getting broken up
42:28with
42:28and this was
42:29like the first
42:30like time
42:31where she broke
42:31up with me
42:32where I guess
42:32for me
42:32it felt like
42:33very legit
42:34like it felt
42:35like it was
42:35real for me
42:36this lady
42:37that I had met
42:38through Taylor's
42:39family
42:40she leaned out to me
42:41and was just
42:42checking in on me
42:42because obviously
42:43she had heard
42:44what happened
42:44and she was just
42:45like being super
42:46nice
42:47and then
42:48it wasn't
42:50it didn't like
42:50get weird
42:51did you guys
42:52talk about Taylor
42:52yeah it was about
42:54her relationship
42:54yeah
42:55so like you confided
42:56in her
42:56yeah it was just
42:57about like
42:58how crappy it is
42:59and like how sad
43:00I am
43:00okay
43:01let's see what
43:02he lies about
43:02and then I'll go
43:03out there and
43:03clear it up
43:03and then it
43:05got to a point
43:05to where
43:06I'm trying to
43:07think of exactly
43:08step by step
43:09but it was like
43:10yeah think about
43:11those lies
43:11you're gonna tell
43:11she's just making
43:12him feel like a fool
43:13it's not that hard
43:14to do
43:15it's just the facts
43:16and then
43:17like out of nowhere
43:19I feel like she
43:20kind of like
43:20came on to me
43:22which
43:23that I think
43:24just kind of
43:25surprised me
43:25given in that moment
43:27like I didn't
43:27actually think
43:28that was gonna happen
43:28if
43:29again
43:30that's just
43:31my opinion
43:31like I really
43:32didn't think
43:33that was gonna
43:33happen
43:33and then
43:35and then from there
43:37it was like
43:38even the pictures
43:39we sent
43:39like I know
43:40what pictures did you
43:40yeah by the way
43:41you're skipping over
43:42the important stuff
43:42no no
43:43I'm getting to it
43:44I just want to make
43:44sure I explain this
43:45because I don't want
43:46things twisted
43:46like even on the
43:47episode I watched
43:48one of them
43:48and it was like
43:49Taylor was questioning
43:50me I was like
43:50oh there's only
43:51one picture sent
43:51there's only one
43:52picture sent
43:52I was referring to
43:54she only sent me
43:56one picture
43:56there was multiple
43:57pictures sent
43:58but she only
43:59sent me one
44:00picture
44:00so you sent
44:01multiple
44:01no no
44:02no I only sent
44:03one more picture
44:03so there's two
44:04two pictures
44:05what was it
44:05what was the picture
44:06of
44:06it was a silhouette
44:08so in the silhouette
44:09like it was so dark
44:11like if I'm being honest
44:12it wasn't super sexual
44:17to me
44:17like just because of how
44:19dark the picture was
44:21what prompted the pic
44:22oh yeah this is what
44:23I was going to say
44:23so and I think what
44:24even prompted
44:25I think what even
44:26prompted the picture
44:27was that we were
44:28talking about like
44:29the gym
44:30working out
44:31being in good shape
44:32like things like that
44:33the conversation
44:34had turned away from
44:35you and Taylor's
44:36relationship
44:36and you guys were
44:37turned to like that
44:38just at that night time
44:40just towards the night
44:40there
44:41who gives a fuck
44:41what time it is
44:42it's night time
44:43he was like it was
44:457, 8, 21, p.m. night
44:47and then I sent a picture
44:49of my shirt off
44:50dumb as shit
44:51I agree
44:52it was stupid
44:53I'm not saying it's not
44:54stupid
44:54yes
44:54it was
44:55like flirty though
44:56her picture to you
44:57and your picture
44:58hell yeah
44:58that's where
44:59yeah already
44:59I was like okay
45:00this is like
45:01yeah like it
45:02but you and Taylor
45:03weren't together
45:04no
45:04no she broke up with me
45:05I'm about to go
45:06fucking out there
45:08and literally annihilate him
45:09and then out of nowhere
45:10she like freaked out
45:13like and was like
45:14delete everything
45:15delete everything
45:16I think it made me
45:21have to kind of be like
45:22oh damn
45:22like this is like a
45:24a big big deal
45:25keep going
45:26go ahead with your lies
45:27lies?
45:28what part
45:29where have I left?
45:30oh my I don't want to sit by him
45:30you can go
45:30I don't want to sit by him
45:31can you give me that water?
45:34you look pretty
45:35keep going
45:36alright
45:36I will
45:36let me drink my water
45:37welcome ladies
45:38thank you
45:39thank you
45:39so Taylor
45:39what is not tracking for you?
45:42um
45:42I mean I think you can kind of gauge
45:44when you're stuttering
45:44you're like
45:45well wait wait
45:46give me a second
45:46that's when you're having to
45:47keep up with lies
45:47you knew the extent
45:49of what she was
45:49so don't go back on that now
45:51does that make sense?
45:51yeah I see what you're saying
45:52that's my point
45:53if Dakota would just be like
45:55I messed up
45:56I messed up
45:56oh my gosh
45:57that was so dumb of me
45:58he would just look so much better
46:00I think you know
46:01that this was fucked up
46:03because you confided
46:04in Jordan about it
46:05a hundred percent
46:06okay
46:07so you understand
46:08why Taylor is
46:09yes
46:09enraged
46:10right
46:11right
46:12okay
46:13yeah
46:13so what are you trying to defend?
46:16defend?
46:16I think it comes off
46:17as you kind of defending
46:18as if it's not fun
46:19which I think can invalidate
46:20how Taylor feels
46:21right
46:21well I think I do that
46:23just given the fact that
46:24I think
46:24you're never just sorry
46:25yeah
46:26like if you didn't have
46:27any new information
46:27you must be here
46:30to fully apologize
46:33or something
46:34well I think
46:35the context of what
46:36I just said is new
46:37like I watched the episode
46:38and I feel like
46:39there was multiple things
46:39that were skewed in there
46:41what?
46:42I think that's fair
46:43I feel like it was
46:44exactly what I thought
46:45there was
46:45there was
46:46but it's exaggerated
46:47I felt like it made it seem
46:48like I cheated on you
46:49you did
46:50that is cheating to me
46:51okay
46:51but yeah
46:52you can do it right
46:53when you're broke up
46:54when you broke up with me
46:55you can go fuck someone else
46:56and then come fuck me right
46:58okay so a year later
46:59oh we were broke up
47:00we were broke up though right
47:01oh my god
47:02and your friends will tell you
47:03the same thing
47:04they'll say
47:04you don't owe him that
47:05did I cheat?
47:06does anyone consider that cheating?
47:07so you're broken up
47:08and me moving on
47:09so how is that cheating
47:10what I did
47:11if I was broken up?
47:11I don't feel like
47:11this is about cheating
47:12it's who it is
47:13it's who it's with
47:16Layla
47:17I know
47:18I'm saying
47:19then let me just talk
47:20do you see how
47:21the whole thing changed
47:22like when you come out
47:23and you're just firing shots
47:24at me
47:24like I wanted to just talk
47:25this is where I wanted to
47:26this was my whole point
47:28go
47:28I've apologized to you
47:29like a hundred times
47:30you've never meant it though
47:31yes I have
47:31I've wrote you letters
47:32saying sorry a hundred times
47:33do you know what you said?
47:35you said hey
47:35I weeded out a bad friend
47:36in your family
47:37this is me just trying
47:37wait what?
47:38he said hey
47:39I weeded out a bad friend
47:40in your family
47:41oh my gosh
47:41this is what I'm talking about
47:43like this is where
47:44this is why I can't do this
47:45are you still on speaking terms
47:47are you still on speaking terms
47:47with this person?
47:48no my entire family
47:49dishonored her
47:50no
47:51yeah
47:51she was my friend too
47:53like that's what
47:53like she would see me cry
47:55and struggle
47:55and all these things
47:56with Dakota
47:56and be helping me
47:57when I think she was
47:58a snake in the fucking grass
47:59it's disgusting
48:00do you feel like
48:02you owe her parents
48:03an apology?
48:04a hundred percent
48:04and I reached out
48:05to your mom
48:06and asked her
48:06did she do it?
48:07well he was making threats
48:08to Taylor
48:08it is so wild
48:09this is what I'm saying
48:10because I come out
48:11with the truth
48:11didn't she just sex me last night?
48:13you should tell your new boyfriend that
48:14we're gonna move out of this
48:15the one that you like a lot
48:16didn't she just say that today?
48:17oh hell
48:17you should probably tell him
48:18how you were talking to me last night
48:19oh
48:19look at that
48:20we have
48:21look at you denying it
48:21I don't have a boyfriend
48:22I'm single
48:23I am single
48:24just take a couple of breaths
48:25this is getting a little crazy
48:27show him the sex thing
48:27you should have him show it
48:28I want to go back to Leanne and Jeremy
48:31I mean this is the worst time
48:32for me to do it
48:33I was actually going to do it
48:35and it was going to be very genuine
48:36but now it's like I'm so heated
48:37yeah this is not giving happy holidays
48:39okay let's welcome in
48:41Leanne and Jeremy
48:42I need a dunking refresher
48:49obviously
48:50berry sangria
48:51yes
48:52there you go
48:54thank you
48:56welcome back to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 Reunion
49:05we've had more drama than a high school Christmas pageant
49:09we have mom talk and dad talk here with us
49:12along with Leanne and Jeremy
49:13and Demi and Brett
49:15Demi I know you had a rough time out there
49:17and I really appreciate you coming back
49:20yeah thank you
49:21Dakota has something he'd like to say to Taylor's parents
49:24but first Brett has something he'd like to get off his chest
49:27I'd like to apologize to Miranda
49:29in my heated phone conversation with me
49:32said something that I don't mean even remotely
49:35we had a brief conversation with Miranda
49:38and she just basically was insinuating that I'm a liar
49:41and you said Chase shoved you
49:43and I'm like well I don't know
49:45what would you call it
49:45I don't know what to call it
49:46he came up and pushed my hip
49:47and that's a typical response for somebody
49:50who's so difficult to avoid your actions
49:52what I said was unacceptable
49:56and it was really representative of how I was feeling
49:59about this situation as a whole
50:00just feeling like the whole thing was just so
50:02kind of out of bounds and so trashy
50:04the way that I felt like she was being treated
50:06and you were the last person that she interacted with
50:10so unfortunately you were
50:11you were on the receiving end of
50:13kind of the pinnacle of my frustration
50:14and you didn't deserve that
50:15and I'm really sorry
50:17it was
50:18tensions were really high at that time
50:21I do wish that
50:22you know this wasn't just happening on camera
50:24I wish maybe it was something that was said earlier
50:27and I'm not saying that I don't
50:28that it's not an authentic apology
50:30I just I do think that
50:31the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate
50:33I just so you know
50:35I felt sick to my stomach
50:36just hearing myself
50:37I didn't even remember saying that
50:38I was like seeing red in the moment
50:41and I really my apology really is sincere
50:43I I really I'm sorry
50:45I appreciate it thank you
50:47yay one apology accepted
50:49Dakota
50:50I know there's something you'd like to say to Leanne
50:52so just go ahead
50:54uh obviously I I know that I fucked up
50:59I just think like I think I knew I was gonna lose you guys
51:04and that I don't know
51:07I think I kind of numbed out maybe a little bit
51:11and I think it was just hard to
51:15me and Taylor obviously were just not in a good place
51:17and that I think it was just like even harder
51:19but I am truly sorry
51:23because I know that that
51:24caused a lot of pain
51:26obviously for Taylor
51:27but for you guys as well and your family
51:29and I don't think I realized
51:32the magnitude maybe of even what I did
51:35I don't expect you guys to forgive me
51:37I don't expect anything like that
51:39but I do just want you to know
51:40like I know I messed up
51:41I I know that I caused a lot of pain
51:44for all of you guys
51:45and
51:46that's all I can do right now
51:50is I'm sorry
51:51Leanne, Jeremy
51:55I just don't understand like why
51:57why?
52:00yeah
52:00you do that behind your girlfriend
52:04that's pregnant with your baby
52:07that's sickening
52:08and I think that bugs me Dakota
52:11and you're just like
52:11one of those people that you just can't help but to love
52:15but then you get really get to know you
52:17you're not that person
52:18you're just a different person
52:20like behind closed doors
52:22you have
52:23your virtue
52:24your
52:24it's like been taken away
52:26you're so dishonest
52:27you're so like
52:28I just don't know how you could keep lying
52:30and you know what
52:31the thing that hurts the most
52:32is that
52:33she's my kid
52:34and you hurt my grandbaby
52:36like you hurt ever
52:37he's the one that's gonna pay
52:39for
52:40all your guys's crappy decisions
52:42that you both have made
52:44I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth
52:49because it's all bullshit dude
52:50you have proven yourself time and time again
52:54that nothing that comes out of your mouth
52:56is just spewing bullshit
52:58so
52:59I can't accept any
53:01sorry from you or nothing
53:03I mean our last reunion
53:04he was sitting here crying
53:06and our host was asking
53:07do you think you can be an honest person?
53:10he's crying
53:10yes
53:11I've said everything
53:12I've said it all
53:13like I can do this
53:14yes I love Taylor
53:15but he's still lying about
53:16right
53:16I didn't know
53:17I learned after the reunion
53:19I'll do anything
53:20to uh
53:21just like have that opportunity
53:24to be with her
53:25and my family
53:26and um
53:28this is so hard
53:33because that's like
53:34I just went about everything
53:36the worst way
53:38Taylor
53:39Dakota
53:40where do you guys
53:41think you
53:41go from here
53:42as co-parents?
53:43I would obviously love
53:44to get to a spot
53:45of like
53:46being cordial
53:47for the sake of our son
53:48because he
53:48ultimately
53:49my mom is saying
53:49he's the one who
53:50is this
53:51gonna suffer
53:51from all of this
53:52this is a law on me
53:54that I chose
53:55him to be his dad
53:56wait
53:57you don't think
53:57I'm a good dad Taylor?
53:59are you gonna let me finish?
54:00so
54:00I feel
54:01when I look at ever
54:02I'm like
54:03this is my fault
54:03I did this
54:04I chose to do this
54:05I'm so sorry
54:07that I chose
54:08to have a child
54:09with this person
54:09however they feel
54:10they're justified
54:11the one thing
54:12I want to just stand on
54:13is I've seen him
54:13be a dad
54:14and like
54:14I think Dakota
54:15is a great dad
54:16I will never
54:17ever have anyone
54:18tell me I'm not
54:19because I know that
54:21with every single fiber
54:22in my heart
54:22okay
54:23I just
54:23like you know it Taylor
54:24out of anybody
54:25you know how much
54:26I care about ever
54:27did you listen
54:27I said it's on me
54:28I feel guilty
54:29it's how you're wording
54:30things about it
54:30I mean every word
54:31I think it's not about this
54:33you know
54:34we were giving you
54:35the opportunity
54:36to apologize
54:36to them
54:38you did
54:39they don't
54:42accept that apology
54:43that's fine
54:44we can't just like
54:47keep
54:47yeah
54:48keep at it
54:49keep at it
54:49like we can't do that
54:50that's it
54:51I'm done
54:52fucking stupid
54:53fucking my god
54:55folks we're not done yet
54:56folks we're not done yet
54:57oh shit
54:59I told them we're not done
55:00they won't get
55:00fuck that
55:01I'm good
55:01I'm just gonna say
55:05I just feel for Dakota
55:06honestly
55:06did I care for him
55:08absolutely
55:09is this painful
55:10duh
55:11I loved him
55:12I wanted to be with him
55:13I had a child with him
55:14so yes
55:15it's fucking painful
55:16hurts to co-parent
55:17to this very day
55:18I do it every day
55:19and it's the worst
55:20things I've ever done
55:20I did it every day
55:23I had a child with him
55:24I loved him
55:25I had a child with him
55:26I had a child with him
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