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00:00Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.

00:30Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.

01:00EU editor, good morning, Maria.

01:01Bring us up to speed on this story.

01:03There's a lot to digest this morning.

01:04Well, there's a lot.

01:05And the EU really caught up in this vortex over the weekend, which, as you say, really

01:10started on the Friday morning when the US put out and Europeans found out about this

01:15national security strategy in this document.

01:18The US does say Europe is a natural ally, but they also argue in unusual language, to

01:25some extent, we could question whether or not it's diplomatic, that Europe has to go back

01:29to its former greatness.

01:30It also argues that illegal, uncontrolled migration, bad economic policies, too much regulation,

01:37all of this put together could end the European civilization as we know it.

01:41The document presented by the US also welcomes European patriotic parties who, they argue,

01:47are resisting this trajectory.

01:48And the US, they add, should help contribute to change this trajectory.

01:54Obviously, this is unusual language.

01:56It's not shocking.

01:57It's not really surprising because it builds up, really, on the speech that the US Vice

02:01President, J.D. Vance, gave at the Munich Security Conference.

02:05The only difference, of course, is that it is now in writing.

02:08I should note, however, over the weekend, I spoke with European officials who told me,

02:12look, this document has little to do with national security and a lot about what they perceive

02:17is political interference.

02:19Now, the second part to this has to do with Elon Musk.

02:23The commission fined X 120 million euros for breaching transparency rules in the European

02:30Union.

02:30The fine, the amount, I should note, it's quite small compared to other penalties on US big

02:35tech.

02:35Nonetheless, it triggered a big response from Elon Musk, who's been tweeting about the

02:39European Union all over the weekend.

02:41He started, and hopefully we can put it up on the screen, saying the EU is not a democracy.

02:47It has become a bureaucracy.

02:48It should be dismantled, abolished.

02:51The EU, quite strong language.

02:53The commission is still defending this fine, saying it is appropriate.

02:57They believe they have a strong legal case.

02:58And if he disagrees, he can take it to court in a court of justice, of course.

03:03And Maria, how has the EU been responding to the unprecedented language from the other side

03:06of the pond, from, in theory, their biggest ally?

03:08Yes.

03:09And, you know, when we look at the EU as an institution, very timidly, no word from the head

03:15of the commission, Ursula von der Leyen, no word from the head of the European Council

03:18either.

03:19But we did speak with Kaya Callas, the foreign office chief policy from the EU.

03:24She told us the way to look at this is that domestic issues have to be dealt by the EU on

03:30external matters and conflicts.

03:32We should still work together with the United States.

03:35Let's take a look.

03:36Let's focus on the things that we can do together.

03:39I mean, what we can take from that security strategy is that we are still, you know, allies

03:46with America.

03:47We don't always see eye to eye on everything, but it's our internal matters.

03:51We can handle ourselves.

03:53Let's focus on the global challenges that we actually have, which are, you know, economic

03:57cursive practices from China that we are both, you know, faced with, which is the threat that

04:03comes from malign actors like Russia, like China, like Iran.

04:09So we definitely need to focus on what we can do together and, you know, domestic issues.

04:16Let us let them be our domestic issues.

04:18And that was Kaya Callas speaking to your news note, how she said three times, these

04:24are domestic issues.

04:25That's for the EU, the capitals, much stronger language.

04:28The French foreign minister saying the commission is right.

04:30And this is just the start.

04:32The Polish foreign minister, much stronger language.

04:34He tweeted directly at Elon Musk saying, go to Mars.

04:38There is no censorship for Nazi salutes there.

04:40Obviously, that's a reference to another controversy as to whether or not Elon Musk had made a Nazi

04:45salute at a rally at the start of this year.

04:47But maybe what we're seeing, of course, is a lot of cacophony because there is no single

04:52strategy in terms of how to deal with the United States at this point.

04:56For the EU, the institution, I repeat, it has been so far about de-escalation, hoping to

05:01stabilise the relationship, although that's not really been the case.

05:03The tariffs went ahead, 8 to 5 percent on Ukraine.

05:06Very difficult situation.

05:08But for the time being, the strategy continues to be don't engage publicly.

05:12Indeed, a very tricky time for the transatlantic tie.

05:14Thank you so much, Maria Tadeo, your news's EU editor for that.

05:17And if you're listening to Maria's analysis there about Elon Musk and thinking, you have

05:21seen this movie before, you're right.

05:23It is not the first time the EU and Elon Musk find themselves in the online boxing ring.

05:28Our reporter Jakob Janis has this refresher.

05:30Over the weekend, there was yet another battle between the EU and Elon Musk, who claims the

05:38European Union should be dismantled.

05:41It sounds extreme.

05:42But if you look at the timetable, the bells have been ringing for some time already.

05:48Let's go back to July 2024.

05:51Musk claimed Brussels offered him a secret illegal deal to censor speech.

05:56Fact check.

05:58It was a standard compliance procedure offered to every platform, but Musk used it to frame

06:04himself as a victim.

06:07Then was August 2024.

06:09The European Commission sent a formal warning letter to follow EU law.

06:14In response, Musk tweeted a very non-diplomatic meme from the movie Tropic Thunder.

06:19In late 2024, he told German voters to back the far-right alternative for Deutschland.

06:27And then he attacked Italian judges on migration, claiming they need to go.

06:33And his current battle is against the 120 million euro fine for his social media platform, X.

06:40However, the fine is not about supposed censorship, but about consumer fraud.

06:45It means selling verification to anyone, including bots, actively blocking researchers from seeing

06:53public data, and hiding who actually pays for the ads you see.

07:00Given that the penalty is well below the maximum possible fine, we need to ask one question.

07:08Is the game you play, Elon, actually about business?

07:12Or maybe it's about something else?

07:15Jakob Yanis there.

07:20Well, coming up, we'll be joined by Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, the exiled opposition leader

07:24of the Belarusian democratic movement, who emerged after challenging Belarus' authoritarian

07:29leader, Alexander Lukashenko, in the 2020 presidential election.

07:34Forced to flee her home country, she now dedicates her time to advocating for democratic Belarus

07:39and resisting the regime's role in Russia's war against Ukraine.

07:42And Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, great to have you with us here on Europe Today.

07:46Good morning.

07:47Welcome to Brussels.

07:48First, how is your husband, Sergei, doing?

07:51He was released this summer after many years behind bars in Belarus.

07:54He's gone through the process of rehabilitation because all the political prisoners are really

07:59exhausted physically, but he's not broken mentally and gave a boost of energy to our movement.

08:05And of course, it was thanks to the Americans that helped orchestrate his release.

08:08We saw Keith Kellogg there engaging in dialogue with Lukashenko.

08:12Do you trust them now to help end the war in Ukraine?

08:16Look, we all want peace.

08:18And of course, I'm so grateful to President Trump personally and his team for releasing

08:22political prisoners from Belarus.

08:24But of course, the future of our country depends on the outcome of the war in Ukraine.

08:29And of course, we all want just and long-lasting peace, not just, you know, temporary relief to

08:36give opportunity to Russia to regroup and start attacking again.

08:40But also, what is important for us is that during these negotiations, Belarus aspect is also

08:45included.

08:46That Belarus is not giving a cancellation price to Putin.

08:49That Belarus will not lose our independency.

08:51And that's why we need a strong Europe as a player in these negotiations that will be

08:58the voice of Belarusian people.

09:00Because a bad deal for Ukraine would be detrimental, I imagine, for Belarus.

09:04Absolutely.

09:04Yes, we understand that if Ukraine loses this war, hopefully it will not happen and we'll

09:11keep strong alliance around Ukraine.

09:13It will mean a status quo for Belarus for wages and Russia will continue to subjugate our country.

09:20But how would you describe the current talks taking place?

09:22We saw three days of talks in Florida this weekend.

09:24There was no breakthrough.

09:25Are they really peace talks or are they more surrender talks?

09:29It depends on the strong position of Europe.

09:33First of all, of course, you know, President Trump, he might want fast peace in Ukraine.

09:40But for us, it's more about security architecture.

09:42It's about region.

09:43It's more than about only Ukrainians, about all European neighborhoods, Moldova, Belarus,

09:50Georgia, Armenia, so on and so forth.

09:51So that's why here Europe has to remain with its strong, bold and firm position and defending

09:59and protecting all our region.

10:02Do you think Europe has been too weak so far in these talks?

10:04I think that Europe is much stronger than it might seem, it might think about itself.

10:14But we maybe need more unity, more boldness, because any hesitation or undecisiveness is

10:24percepted as weakness by dictators.

10:26And now we see that Russia, together with the other regimes and Lukashenko, they're testing

10:32the borders of Europe.

10:36Well, we can see that.

10:37I mean, the EU has been furious as well with these balloon incursions coming into Lithuania.

10:41Lithuania declaring a state of emergency.

10:43The Belarusian appointee here in Brussels has been summoned by the Commission.

10:46What's going on and what's behind this?

10:48Now, all these metal balloons and drones, it's part of hybrid attacks on Europe, the same

10:57as migration crisis and hijacking of airplanes, so on and so forth.

11:01So we see how dictators are trying to blackmail, constantly blackmail Europe, just to see how

11:10far they can go without a strong response.

11:13And in our case, I think that it's a very effective tool to close the borders for trade, for goods,

11:21but not for people.

11:22Just be tough on the regimes, but be very open for the societies.

11:27And Belarus, Lukashenko, he's also been weaponizing migration.

11:30We've seen a lot.

11:31Yeah, you know, it's last many years already, and these migration attacks are continuing.

11:36It's also one more, you know, tool in dictators' hands how to weaken or test or blackmail our

11:46Western neighbors.

11:47And finally, President Zelenskyy will travel to London today.

11:50He'll be sitting down with Friedrich Merz, the German Chancellor, President Macron of France.

11:54Any expectations for those talks today?

11:55I hope that it will be unity around Ukraine, about our region, that Ukraine will be given

12:04everything they need to win this war.

12:07We don't have to follow President Trump's path because his approach is more transactional,

12:14but we have to think more strategically about security architecture for years ahead.

12:20Okay, Svetlana Teknarskaya, thank you so much for coming in to us today here and speaking

12:24to us on Europe Today.

12:26Well, meanwhile, this Monday in Brussels, EU Justice Ministers from all across the bloc

12:31will be gathering for talks on the implementation of the EU Migration Pact.

12:35Their gathering takes place after reports came from Crete this weekend that 18 people lost

12:40their lives trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea.

12:43Ida Sanchez reports.

12:47Migration management in the EU takes a big step this Monday.

12:50For the first time ever, four EU countries will receive direct help.

12:57Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Spain will benefit from a so-called solidarity pool, set up to

13:04better manage migration flows.

13:08From relocations to cash injections, countries should be able to rely on this support.

13:14But until ministers make a decision today in Brussels, the proposal made by the Commission

13:19is just an idea.

13:23Ask how much and who will pay is still the big question on the table.

13:29One thing is clear.

13:30Under the new migration and asylum pact, no country will be forced to accept relocations.

13:36This was one of the most controversial points of the proposal.

13:41Countries like Poland and Hungary completely opposed the idea.

13:45Last month, the European Commission presented their first annual report on migration flows in

13:51its country.

13:52They identified who they thought needed support.

13:59The so-called solidarity mechanism, one of the most controversial parts of the migration

14:04pact, will be applied from June 2026.

14:07And for more on the outcome of those talks in Brussels today, keep an eye on Euronews.com.

14:21But that brings this Monday's edition of Europe Today to an end.

14:25Thank you so much for tuning in and for being with us.

14:27We'll be back, of course, tomorrow morning again with another episode.

14:30See you then and take care.

14:31See you then.

15:01See you then.

15:02See you then.

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