The Henry Rollins Show S02E01 - Marilyn Manson and Peaches

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00:01Tonight on the season premiere of The Henry Rollins Show, we sit down with Marilyn Manson,

00:06who's here to talk about his first album in four years and a career's worth of criticism.

00:10And later, an exclusive musical performance from Peaches,

00:14who makes her uncut and uncensored television debut here tonight.

00:18Do not miss this.

00:30The Henry Rollins Show

01:00It's a new season here on The Henry Rollins Show, and we're so glad to be back with you.

01:06It's been a while since we've gotten together, and in that time, a lot has happened, but very little has changed.

01:12Republicans did get their asses handed to them, and they can all kiss my ass and say hello to Madam Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.

01:20Evangelical heavyweight and New Life Church founder Ted Haggard resigns his post

01:25after admitting to buying crystal methamphetamine and congressing with a male prostitute.

01:30Haggard chalks it up to sexual immorality and is currently being rehabilitated.

01:36Republicans from Florida, Mark Foley's taste for teenage boys,

01:39is exposed as his sexually explicit emails to congressional pages comes to light.

01:45White House Press Secretary Tony Snow characterizes the emails as merely overly friendly

01:50and nothing to be worried about as we are all left to store that information in the pedophile.

01:56Hey!

01:57Bush, enjoying Nixonian approval ratings,

02:00delivered his flatline no-new State of the Union address that he could have delivered last year,

02:04which brings me to my point.

02:06It's been another year, and not a lot has changed.

02:09The invasion of Iraq continues to drain America of resources

02:12while it enriches the coffers of KBR and other crony corporations,

02:17kills and hideously mangles brave soldiers and innocent civilians unceasingly,

02:21and creates more enemies worldwide daily.

02:24The Bush administration didn't care much for what the Iraq study group had to say

02:29and sent more troops surging into Baghdad.

02:31Katrina survivors are still displaced,

02:33and no one in government seems all that concerned.

02:36The always eager Disney girl, Britney Spears,

02:39took time away from her hectic schedule of endangering her children

02:43and getting rid of her intellectually malnourished husband

02:45to expose her pudenda to the motor drives of half-interested paparazzi cameras,

02:51giving us all way too much personal information.

02:54Saddam Hussein, hanged by amateurs,

02:57his half-brother Barzan Ibrahim, also hanged,

03:00loses his head to poor execution technique as mankind hits a new low.

03:05Will anything ever change for the better?

03:07I don't have an answer for that,

03:09but what I do know is that unless we push with the utmost urgency for progress,

03:13there will only be more of the same.

03:15And that is not only unacceptable, it is also unsustainable.

03:19We are going to have a great season here on IFC,

03:22and I hope you join me, our musical and sit-down guests,

03:25as we go uncut, uncensored, and stick it to these motherfuckers non-stop.

03:30Marilyn Manson is joining us tonight.

03:43Starting with the album Portrait of an American Family,

03:45Manson has seared his music and image into America's collective memory for over a decade.

03:50With his artwork, a new album Eat Me, Drink Me,

03:53and a future film project based on the life of Lewis Carroll,

03:56Marilyn Manson is once again ready to show conservative America what it doesn't want to see.

04:01Marilyn, thanks for arriving here and showing up.

04:04The aggressive intro.

04:05Right on.

04:05Pretty good, right?

04:06Yeah.

04:06You were releasing the album Eat Me, Drink Me,

04:10and it's the first record in four years.

04:12Were you off music for a while?

04:15It was a strange period.

04:17I mean, I pulled a bit of a Ziggy Stardust moment where I wanted to quit music.

04:22I didn't really have any interest in doing it anymore because I felt

04:24the music industry had gotten to a point where I just felt completely unfulfilled, uninterested.

04:34It just seemed very objectified, very much a product, very much a cliche of what someone was supposed to feel.

04:42But I just didn't really feel inspired to do it.

04:45And then I kind of sunk into a weird black hole of I didn't really know what I wanted to do,

04:51and I kind of almost lost an identity.

04:55Like I didn't know who I was because I didn't really have anything

04:59because I've always identified myself personally by what I do.

05:02And my greatest fear has always been not being able to create.

05:08And I almost got to that point.

05:09I got to a point in a couple of months where I don't think I've ever been that lost.

05:16And, you know, different things changed, different people in my life changed, things moved around.

05:25And I wrote one song and then it became maybe the fastest record I've ever worked on.

05:30But I'm really, this is the record that I've always meant to make.

05:35Oh, wow.

05:35I never did before.

05:36What does this new album say about America, if anything?

05:41I'm not sure if this record is very American specifically.

05:45I think it's probably the most autobiographical.

05:53I think the center point is about wanting to find a connection.

05:58I think it's like the ultimate desire to feel like you're a part of something, that you matter.

06:05So to me, the whole thing is about wanting to be, to feel a part of something.

06:11Yeah, by, you know.

06:11So in that sense, I mean, it's kind of very comprehensive of my whole life,

06:17if I have to look at it objectively.

06:19It's like a personal, more of a personal statement than some of the other records?

06:23Yeah, yeah.

06:24I don't think it's me looking at the rest of the world anymore.

06:27I think it's me looking very much at myself.

06:30Not even looking at myself, just saying stuff about myself.

06:33I would be maybe too embarrassed or too self-conscious to say.

06:40But I think it will really take people back a step.

06:45And it's very rock and roll.

06:47I think it's very un-technological.

06:50It sounds very, back to music.

06:56With all the exposure you get, there's the good, which I'm sure is really good,

07:02but I'm sure the negative part of it is going to be really hard.

07:06I mean, I don't see, I've never seen any musician who just gets the firewall like you do.

07:12Yeah.

07:12So what's that like?

07:17I've learned to kind of ignore it.

07:19But as far as after surviving Columbine,

07:25I think I kind of went over the hill of like what you can tolerate.

07:29Because that was just like the worst.

07:30That was, you know, I'm in Hollywood and people are giving me dirty looks like I did something wrong.

07:35Yeah.

07:36Like what the fuck, you know, what are you doing?

07:37And so I've just learned to deal with it.

07:42Right.

07:42I had to move out of L.A. and move to Chatsworth.

07:45Oh, nice.

07:47I remember I was at Sunset Sound down the street, down the road in Hollywood, doing vocals on a record.

07:56And I took a break, went out to the front lounge, watching the news, Columbine.

08:01And I was like, oh, no, this is really bad.

08:03I said, they're going to have to blame it on someone.

08:07They're going to pin this on someone who's not at fault because no one in this country likes to take personal responsibility, bad parenting or whatever.

08:15I said, they're going to hang this on someone by sundown.

08:19And he said, like, who?

08:20I said, crazy rock and rollers, Satanists.

08:26And I said, someone like Marilyn Manson.

08:28Yeah, I kind of assert myself as an obvious candidate for everything like that.

08:34Like, I can't feel like I didn't ask for it when I make a record like Antichrist Superstar.

08:41It's kind of.

08:42Well, that asks for it.

08:43Yeah.

08:44In a way.

08:44I mean, I'm.

08:45You say you have a title like that.

08:46You're kind of going like, it's here.

08:48Yeah, exactly.

08:49So I didn't do any press.

08:54I refused.

08:55You know, I got offers from everyone.

08:57Yeah.

08:57And then when Michael Moore interviewed me, it doesn't really show it in Bowling for Columbine,

09:02but I had been.

09:05I came back to Denver for the first time since then, and I was playing on Ozfest at Mile High Stadium.

09:12Right.

09:12And we had hundreds, hundreds of death threats.

09:17So I'm thinking, if I'm going to die, it's going to be today because it's my high stadium.

09:21They're not going to be able to stop it if someone wants to, you know, shoot.

09:25So when I went on stage, there was, you know, I just had to decide, okay, I can't live without doing what I do.

09:34So I have to accept the fact I'm going to die for it if it's going to be today.

09:38And it was a great show.

09:42Obviously, I didn't die.

09:43But when I did that interview, there wasn't really a name for the documentary.

09:47It wasn't really there.

09:49I feel a little bit, I don't know.

09:54I wouldn't say used or anything like that.

09:56But when he did the interview, I talked to him for about two and a half hours.

10:00And a lot of the stuff that he went on to say in the second half of the documentary was stuff that I said to him.

10:06But it opened a window that kind of reintroduced me to the world in a way that people hadn't really understood me before.

10:17You know, if I got paid for every time someone came up to me in an airport or anywhere saying, I saw you in Bowling for Columbine,

10:25the most common thing I get is, I didn't know you were so intelligent.

10:28I didn't know you were so fucking stupid, but I don't know you.

10:33But, you know, it's a backhanded compliment.

10:36The documentary at least asked a really important question.

10:40Like, what's our problem with gun homicide in this country?

10:43And your moment, and I've seen the thing twice now, and it's your moment in that that really resonated with me the most.

10:50I appreciate it, and at the same time, it's kind of my criticism for the film, because people ask me what I think about it.

10:56And I, of course, like how I came across it.

10:59But I think that a lot of it didn't really deliver.

11:04I think there was a lot of stuff in there that I wanted that movie to answer, and it didn't.

11:08But, you know, ultimately I like what the movie did, but I think as far as the actual subject matter and the answers that I became obsessed with,

11:18because I locked myself in an attic for three months and didn't want to talk to anybody because I was afraid I was going to get killed and stuff.

11:25So I wanted a lot of answers, and I didn't get them from it.

11:28But that's, you know, that's a different thing.

11:31America is in a very interesting place right now, and I'm sure you understand when I say interesting.

11:41It's interesting for some very awful reasons.

11:44It's like when you're at an art gallery and you're like, that's interesting.

11:48Yeah.

11:48There's a couple ways you can have the inflection on interesting to mean it sucks or it's interesting.

11:54We are definitely in interesting times.

11:56Yeah.

11:56And, you know, I'm sure you're very aware of things that go on.

12:01What scares you about America right now?

12:05The thing that just scares me, if anything, is how much more can the common man be manipulated?

12:18How much farther can the government go?

12:23You know, how much, how longer is it until we get to George Orwell?

12:28Yeah.

12:29There's so many people that know it and talk about it, you know, however many people will

12:36watch your show and they know it and they agree with you, or people that watch Bill Maher,

12:41or people that, you know, that watched Bowling for Columbine.

12:47And you think, if all these people did something about it, why would we still be in the same position?

12:53So it's scary to know that the right wing has such a stronghold.

12:59If people really stopped and realized how much art and creative people move the world versus politics and religion, I mean, it's not even up for debate.

13:09An artist at least creates things, puts things into the world, whereas these other people are destroying things, taking things out of the world.

13:20I think that's always been the point of politics is always to suppress that because they're afraid of it and they know that.

13:28Sure.

13:28How important is painting for you now?

13:33Recently, I haven't painted in a couple months because I've been singing.

13:36Yeah.

13:37But it's always been an outlet, specifically, if I couldn't, if I'm frustrated, instead of just, you know, pacing or watching the real world or something, I went and I paint.

13:51Do you consider your art degenerate art?

13:56And when I speak of degenerate art, I'm talking about, you know.

14:01In the traditional sense.

14:02Yes.

14:02Yeah.

14:04Yeah.

14:05I mean, I think it's kind of when you, you know, come up with morality issues about what's good and what's evil and what's degenerate, what's acceptable.

14:16You know, I think degenerate art and a lot of, you know, the Dada era, they were doing it in the punk rock sense of, you know, that was the original punk rock.

14:28Also, like, great risk.

14:29I mean, you know, people were.

14:30Life risks.

14:31Yes.

14:32Absolutely.

14:32And those are some of my heroes, people like Otto Dix and a lot of the writers of that time, like, especially the Russian writers, who are getting jailed.

14:44They're getting, like, gulogged and, you know, being disappeared.

14:47And being a writer, if you want to be unique, you always have to say something that someone else isn't saying.

14:54Right.

14:55So, I mean, that's kind of, I think without, I think just to even say you're a writer, you have to be controversial or else you're, you're not doing it.

15:04You're not doing anything.

15:05Yeah.

15:05But I always wanted to take it to the next step where I felt like I was willing to risk my personal safety, my personal reputation to stand behind what I say.

15:19What do you hope to be your lasting significance?

15:22I've always thought about that, and the easy answer was always as long as I'm remembered.

15:29But I think that that's not really what I believe at the end of the day.

15:34I think that, again, the way you said that a lot of your heroes are writers, you know, I think as a writer, whether I'm writing songs or I'm writing books or I'm even saying what I believe in a painting, you know, whatever.

15:53I just want to be thought of as someone who took the time and risked what they stand for, risked their lives, you know, to put that out into the world.

16:09Someone who, you know, ultimately was an artist, you know, I'd like to actually be able to, you know, I don't feel uncomfortable saying that,

16:22but I remember, you know, growing up, saying you're an artist, it sounds pretentious, but, you know, I think that now it's one of the only dignified things that you can call yourself.

16:39Well, I must say, I really look forward to this new album, and I've always admired you for the fact that you have zero compromise factor and you have a lot of imagination and you make me pay attention.

16:50So I'm looking forward to seeing what the next album and this movie will bring.

16:54So thanks for doing it, man.

16:56Thanks.

16:56Yeah.

16:58Coming up later in the show, Peaches makes her television performance debut.

17:03But first, my friend Janine Garofalo with this week's Disquisition.

17:06I have been called a Luddite or a Neo-Luddite by friends who understand my lack of modern technology equipment in my home.

17:28I don't know how to type, and I write everything in yellow legal pads, and I don't use a computer.

17:34I don't have email, okay?

17:36Deal with it.

17:37I don't have email.

17:38So people, they say, can I email you?

17:40And I say, I don't have email.

17:41And they say, well, how do you get your email?

17:42And I say, I don't.

17:44Well, how can I send you an email?

17:45You can't.

17:46Well, what if you need to email somebody?

17:50I don't, and I can't, and I never do.

17:52Here's my major discovery.

17:57Here's what I learned about being on the internet, my computer.

18:00That if you punch your computer screen enough times, you will get a sort of petroleum-based looking Roy G. Biv garlic knot looking thing from where your fist hit it.

18:10Eventually.

18:13Now, it's a wonderful base for a bunch of books that I have stacked on it.

18:17Now, you may be able to get to more information faster, but that's not what you're doing on the internet.

18:21You're getting waylaid by all manner of fetish sites and pornographic sites and gossip nonsense and votes and polls.

18:30And what else do people do on the internet that I don't know about?

18:33They play Sudoku.

18:35What's that game?

18:36Sudoku.

18:37Sudoku.

18:38Sims.

18:39Sims City.

18:40You're not burning about Sirhan, Sirhan.

18:43I also think texting has sort of become the great leveler when it comes to creativity or any sense of wit.

18:55LOL.

18:56Yes, I know.

18:57That was a joke.

18:58I'm sure you don't want me to go to hell in a handbasket.

19:01Laugh out loud.

19:02And actually, oddly enough, when Alexander Graham Bell invented the phone, he said,

19:06Watson, come quickly, I need you.

19:09Laughed her out loud.

19:10Because he was kidding.

19:11He didn't really need Watson to come quickly.

19:14Isn't that funny?

19:15That's a funny joke.

19:18Why do you hate God?

19:22God made the trees.

19:23Papers from the trees.

19:24God didn't make the internet.

19:26Al Gore did.

19:27And by the way, Al Gore never claimed that he invented the internet.

19:29That is apocryphal.

19:30He never claimed he invented the internet.

19:31That is another lazy narrative trotted out by the lazy media.

19:34And also, the character of Oliver in Love's story was partially based on Al Gore, Laura

19:40Ingram, and Sean Hannity.

19:41So fucking shut the fuck up.

19:45You know, what I do is, and I don't think it's particularly Luddite-ish or anachronistic,

19:51what I do at night is I come home, I check on my answer phone to see who has called.

19:58I pick up the phone and I say, Sarah, get me an outside line, Murray Hill 7, Transatlantic

20:055.

20:06And then I go in my room and I take out my quill pen and I catch up on my correspondence

20:10and then I'll have a small glass of port and then perhaps take a turn around the grounds

20:14before I retire for the evening.

20:17The other night I did have a bit of a hard time.

20:18I think I was grappling with either the vapors or the bloody flux.

20:22But that does not make me old-fashioned.

20:27Makes me a damn fine American.

20:39Tonight's musical guest is Peaches, the outspoken hard rock phenomenon who is knocking people

20:45on their asses all over the world.

20:47I saw Peaches and her mighty band play here in Los Angeles recently and it occurred to

20:51me the bigger the audience was, the better the show would be.

20:55Next stop, Wembley.

20:57But for now, here to play Boys Wanna Be Her off her album Impeach My Bush and making her

21:03television debut, this is Peaches, live and uncut.

21:17This is Peaches, live and uncut.

21:47We've got them all by the balls, causing waterfalls, stone walls, bar blocks, climbing stars

21:53at concert hall.

21:54See they crawl, bodies sprawl, smoke and palm walk, close, cock, stand tall, doll, you make

21:59them feel so small.

22:01And we know that!

22:02If you're right, who's the one and those are, you're your Yani lottery team.

22:10?

22:14The boys wanna be her and girls wanna be her vorrcee b'rcee b'rcee b'rcee b'rcee barrcee b'rcee b'rcee b'rcee b'rcee u'rcee b'rcee b'rcee b'rcee b'rc'r c'r'r'com?

22:20The boys wanna be her

22:22The girls wanna be her

22:24The boys wanna be her

22:26I wanna be her

22:28Yes, I do

22:36Well, well, you rock, man, stop

22:38Girl, you got the chops

22:40Flip-flop, sleeve-back, self-tie

22:42Your nicks are high

22:44The lyrics need to receive

22:46Calling up the sleep where it's weak

22:48You can see that it's even more than you