00:00Asim Munir and Shahbaz Sharif, there hasn't been ever a democratic kind of a platform
00:08properly been given to the people of Pakistan. His jihadist kind of a mentality and he has been
00:17basically a product of a madrasa. Jihad is not what Quran says, jihad is what their Molana says,
00:24jihad is what Hafiz Said says, Masood Azhar says, Noor Khan base where we hit with our dromos,
00:33DGMA of Pakistan started pleading to the DGMA of India to stop the war was because that nuclear
00:42strategic command control base was basically which we hit was not of Pakistan but of America.
00:50From the army chief to field marshal and then promoted to chief of defense forces, this is
00:57the story of Asim Munir who is making progress in the torn and tattered country of Pakistan and well
01:08his promotions also raise a lot of questions whether these are a prompt surrender by the
01:15democratically elected government to the tyranny to the powers of the army there. Why I say tyranny
01:24because history speaks for itself and the way the Pakistani army has ruled and dominated the
01:32proceedings in the last four or five decades, it needs no introduction. Colonel Dinesh Nain joins us
01:39on the broadcast today. Colonel Nain, thank you so much for speaking to One India. You are a defense
01:43expert and a foreign affairs expert as well. My first question to you would be sir, is this a
01:51cosmetic upgrade? Does this mean anything first of all, making Asim Munir the chief of defense forces
01:57or is this an admission of the civilian government that they are powerless and army is supreme there?
02:05Definitely see, since the beginning from 1947 onwards, if you look at the from Ayub Khan onwards,
02:16Liyaka Tali onwards till you can say Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif, whatever happened and now recently with Asim
02:24Munir and Asim Munir and Shahbaz Sharif, there hasn't been ever a democratic kind of a
02:31platform properly been given to the people of Pakistan. Because whenever the democratic parties,
02:39these people tried to strengthen themselves, army never tolerated it, Pakistan army, and they came up with
02:46overthrowing the civilian government and taking out the reins in their own hands. And that's what exactly
02:54is happening now. Right. See, if you look back on the 27th and 26th and 27th amendments of Pakistan
03:05constitution, that clearly defines now that not only till to date, but in coming future,
03:13Pakistan hardly can see that democratic kind of a platform. Right. Where people can be served
03:21through democracy. Absolutely. I agree with you here. And as our header, you know, the premise of
03:29this discussion is also saying that what does it mean for India? Now, there is no threat, you know,
03:34from Asim Munir becoming either field marshal or, you know, for that matter, chief of defense forces.
03:39Pakistan has always been two steps behind when it comes to, you know, Indian military and Indian
03:44prowess and lots of things. But the question here is, if this kind of mentality of this kind of person
03:51who many have quoted him as being shameless also to a certain extent, then being the history that
04:00Pakistani army has given the fact that one of the former CIA operatives also mentioned that even the
04:11nuclear button was handed over to America during Parviz Musharraf's time. What does it mean for India?
04:19Do we need to be worried about this person at the helm of affairs in Pakistan? Are we going to see some
04:26sort of misbehavior or misadventure from that side again? See, the only problem that I think what
04:35we can have is the mentality of a person. He is a jihadist kind of a mentality and he is, you know,
04:44you know, he has been basically a product of a madrasa where he has been taught total Islamic foundation.
04:52I mean, and the sad part is that jihad is being considered by certain people as the tool to get
05:01some justice and that jihad is not what Quran says. Jihad is what their Mawlana says. Jihad is what Hafiz
05:09Said says, Masood Azhar says. And these people are basically trying to twist that Islam as per their own
05:17you know, whims and fancies. Now, this person has been a radical kind of a person, not from now,
05:25from very beginning. Jhiaul Haq time onwards, he started rising into this organization. And the worst
05:32part is that we have seen his face recently during Operation Sindhur. And in Markaz-i Subhanallah,
05:39Bhawadpur, where Jaish-e-Mohambad headquarter was taken over by the rebels and all. And then we saw
05:46even in Mureet K that the people wearing uniform, very high ranking people from Rangers, from army,
05:53from police. And so much so that a red carpet was laid on the roads. I mean, they were given a green
06:01green corridor for their janazas. Yes, yes, yes. That was showing the total mentality of
06:09so-called Mullah Asim Munir or not Field Marshal Asim Munir. And we can say this, that he is basically
06:15one of them. Now, where should we get worried? As far as the nuclear arsenal is concerned, as you
06:22rightly mentioned, one of this old CIA operative has very categorically said that
06:27he knows that this was the discussion in CIA, that the button of nukes of Pakistan is now being
06:38handled by some senior general in Pentagon. In Pentagon, yes. And Noor Khan base, where we hit with
06:46our BrahMos and we struck with BrahMos, over there and within that night when DGMA of Pakistan started
06:56pleading to the DGMA of India to stop the war was because that nuclear strategic command control
07:06base was basically, which we hit was not of Pakistan, but of America. Oh, is it? So if that is what it is,
07:16that is why we saw that anti-radiation planes started flying American and then the boron
07:22was being brought from Egypt and all everything was going in that area, not only in that place,
07:27but in Karana hills and all that places. So what, what, what we can make out from this is
07:34that I'm, I mean, there are some open sources which say that probably, probably these nukes
07:39doesn't belong to Pakistan. Pakistan. These are American assets kept for Central Asia and China
07:50as a nuke base. And Pakistan has been given this claim so that they can keep, you know,
07:58speaking left and right and trying to, you know, make noise about it,
08:03uh, to gain some kind of false, uh, heroism that we have got nukes. As you know,
08:09say, Krasid was talking power and other power and all that tactical bombs he was talking about.
08:16Right. So what I mean to say is definitely nukes cannot be handled by this gentleman without American
08:25permission, but strategic force, which he has created now recently, uh, where he has become
08:33the head of that strategic nuclear force clearly takes away the complete, complete command and
08:41control, which was there with the civil administration or political administration,
08:45political people. Now it has come in the hands of, uh, so-called CDN force. Yeah.
08:51That's where we have to get worried because he is basically a radicalized person.
08:56Absolutely. It makes a lot of sense. Uh, when you say that, uh, that is the cause of concern that,
09:02uh, uh, the military handling the nukes and not the civil government, because, uh, on one hand,
09:07the civilian government obviously tends to say that, Hey, look, we are ready for dialogue.
09:12And on the other, the person on the screen in the central frame says is training terrorists and
09:18sending them to India, cross-border terrorism. So this, uh, a double talk from their side,
09:23obviously is something that India needs to carefully tread on. Karnal Dinesh, thank you so
09:28much. You spoke to One India Hindi, you spoke to One India English. We really appreciate your time
09:31and inputs here. Thank you so much for speaking to us once again. Thank you.
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