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00:00to roll out a red carpet for those who enter the country by tunneling under fences

00:06or slipping past border patrols. If you cross illegally, you cannot then demand shelter,

00:15schooling, food and rights reserved for citizens. National security, the court said,

00:21cannot be compromised by emotional blackmail or moral posturing. Here are the exact words now,

00:29of the Chief Justice of India led bench. It said, and I quote, first you enter, you cross the border

00:36illegally, you dig a tunnel across the fence and entered India illegally. Then you say, now that

00:43I've entered, your laws must apply to me and say, I'm entitled to food. I'm entitled to shelter.

00:50My children are entitled to education. If they do not have legal status to stay in India and you are

00:57an intruder, we have a very sensitive border on the North India side. If an intruder comes,

01:04do we give them a red carpet welcome saying we would like to give you all facilities?

01:11What is the problem in sending them back? Unquote. But this clarity, viewers, this clarity has

01:18triggered a political storm. Even before the ink dried on the observations, the opposition erupted

01:26outside parliament and on social media, accusing the judiciary of quote, grandstanding, unquote,

01:33of chasing TRPs, even of aiding the government's so-called anti-infiltration agenda. Sample this.

01:43This is TMC member of parliament viewers. Earlier, judges were seen talking less, were seen talking

01:52only when delivering judgments. But now the trend has changed. Nowadays, judges talk more to increase

01:58TRPs, but they don't deliver judgments. This is the biggest problem today. Unquote. The same opposition,

02:06viewers, that has for years attacked every single attempt to document, detect or deport illegal entrants,

02:14whether NRC, NPR, SIR or FCRA linked crackdowns on NGOs receiving illegal foreign funds to aid

02:23illegal migrant networks. Viewers, don't forget that this opposition has termed the SIR

02:32back to NRC and moved petitions in the Supreme Court to block the election commission mandated exercise.

02:40Now, viewers, it's almost as if they believe that illegals must have a right to vote in this country.

02:47If all the illegals were given a right to vote in this country, if non-citizens were given a right

02:53to vote in this country, viewers, what about citizens and their franchise? It will cease to make a difference

03:00to anybody. The governments, the MPs, the MLAs will not be working for you. They'll be working for illegals.

03:10Viewers, this is the same opposition that claim that the nationwide NRC

03:16or NPR National Population Register places heavy burden of documentation in individuals and is a

03:23weapon to victimize the poor. Unquote. Viewers, you come into our country and the state is then expected to

03:29prove that you're illegal. Bizarre. Have you ever heard this? If you go tomorrow, I'm not trying

03:36to be facetious here, viewers, but if you try to enter tomorrow

03:41a particular space like the airport

03:46and, viewers, the security man at the gate tells you that you can't enter if you don't have your license or

03:51an identification. Will you say no proof that I'm not an Indian citizen? The onus is on you. It should be on you.

04:01Viewers, the opposition oppose the FCRA amendments and crackdown on NGOs tracking funding to NGOs tracking

04:10illegal immigrants. Opposition criticizes detention centers and foreign tribunals.

04:18says Assam is cruel, arbitrary and inhumane. Viewers, where are you supposed to keep those that have been

04:24identified as illegals pending deportation? And this is the same opposition, viewers, same opposition

04:35that had such a big problem when drives to identify illegal immigrants in this country were undertaken.

04:45Were undertaken where viewers? In the heart of the captain? They said this is cruel.

04:54I'm not even talking about the Mufassans. Why does a firm stance on national security irritate the opposition?

05:02Is the political class shielding infiltrators? And why does a Supreme Court warning become a battlefield for

05:08partisan outrage? Fundamental question. Let's open them up. Viewers, I'm not going to waste too much time

05:14setting up this debate. I think we all understand where everyone is coming from. Let me begin with Nikhil Jain,

05:21a political analyst. I'll also have with us TMC supporter Anirban Banerjee very soon. But Nikhil Jain,

05:30I want you to explain to me, what is the issue? The opposition reflexively has a problem anytime the state wants to identify

05:40those that don't belong to it. And now, of course, you've taken it to the point where you are accusing the Supreme Court

05:46of playing to the TRP galleries. I mean, is India some sort of dharamshala?

05:56Rahul, India certainly is not a dharamshala. Of course, we do have the philosophy of Vasudev Kutomkam that

06:01the world is our home. But that's all right. I think the BJP doesn't want to, you know, believe in

06:06the traditional Hindu philosophy and the traditional Indian philosophy. Be that as it may, we are a country

06:10that is governed by rule of law. There are rules and laws and guidelines for everything, whether it is

06:14deportation of an illegal immigrant, whether it is giving refuge to a refugee, whether it is treating

06:19how we treat our citizens, whether it is rules and laws that are applicable to not

06:28problem the BJP or anybody can have in it. Because at the end of the day, we are in a country where

06:32Article 14 of the Constitution, equality before law, does not just apply to citizens, it applies to every

06:38single human being. I'm not saying give them the right to vote. That'll be very stupid of me to say or

06:42anybody to say that illegal immigrants should have the right to vote. But they are human beings. We

06:46are bound by international conventions. You cannot treat any person who is fleeing into this country

06:52for economic or religious or whatever persecution or other reasons. You can't treat them like termites.

06:58They are human beings. You can very well deport them out of the country, but it has to follow the

07:02process of law. And no opposition party, to the best of my recollection, has ever asked for illegal

07:07immigrants to be given the right to vote. And lastly, when opposition parties raise their voice

07:13against the government's campaigns to weed out these illegal immigrants, their target is not the

07:17fact that the government is trying to remove illegal immigrants. It is the fact that you are trying to

07:20remove or cause problems for genuine Indian bona fide citizens. And there have been numerous cases

07:28where Indian citizens have been deported to Pakistan or Bangladesh and then the courts have to step in and

07:32tell the government to bring them back. So that is what the issue is. Okay, viewers, this is amazing.

07:38Look at the amnesia that Nikhil Jain and companies suffer from. Just recently, viewers, during the Jharkhand

07:45elections, during the Jharkhand elections, the great chief of the Congress party there said,

07:52No, no, no, no, no. We are going to be giving LPG cylinders to Rohingyas and illegals. These were his

08:02exact words. In fact, it was a promise that was made. And viewers, then there was another situation

08:09where a particular government in Delhi decided to give education to the children of Rohingyas and illegal

08:18infiltrators and so on and so forth. We couldn't open a single new school. You got an article written

08:32in some foreign yellow paper about how great the education system was under you. But when it came to

08:40opening schools, you couldn't open them for Indian citizens. But here you were wanting to give seats

08:44away from your quota of government schools to illegal immigrants. As if viewers, as if viewers,

08:54they were some state guests of yours, that they were contributing meaningfully to the exchequer.

09:00I want first of all viewers to get a political response to Nikhil Jain. And Sanju Verma, the national

09:06spokesperson of the BJP, will take on Nikhil Jain on the points that he made that you people

09:11treat illegals as termites, as subhumans. You have subhumanized them to the point or dehumanized them

09:18to the point where people and the state and everybody is treating them worse than animals.

09:24That's why, that's why they are protesting. And that's why they've got a problem against what the

09:30Supreme Court is saying. You know, Rahul, first and foremost, let's get one thing very clear.

09:34Point number one, India is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention of 1951. Point number two,

09:41India is not a signatory to the Refugee International Protocol of 1967. And hence,

09:47we are not bound to house Rohingyas, even if they are termed as refugees. And I'll tell you what,

09:54the 1951 convention defines refugees as individuals who are deprived of the civil, political,

09:59but not economic rights. And India believes that this definition is too narrow as it excludes those

10:05who have fled their countries due to economic deprivation or lack of livelihood opportunities.

10:10And hence, we refuse to sign the 1951 convention. But I want to focus on the more important thing

10:16without getting into rhetoric. Nikhil Jain kept speaking about Article 14, 15, right to equality,

10:21blah, blah, blah. Let's not live in lala land. Right to equality under Article 14 and 15 talks about no

10:29discrimination on the basis of caste, creed, gender or religion. But it applies to only bona fide Indian

10:37citizens. Indian constitution is not applicable to any Tom, Dick or Harry who infiltrates. Point number

10:45four. Point number five, let me say this. What we are guided by and what the Supreme Court has quoted often,

10:51and I'll say this very quickly, registration of Foreigners Act 1939. This means that any

10:58foreign national, an illegal immigrant or a legal migrant, he or she must register themselves with

11:07a registration officer within 14 days of arriving in the country to be eligible for even basic rights.

11:14And the Foreigners Act of 1946 gives the central government sewer motor power under Section 3 to detect,

11:22detain and deport illegal immigrants or foreign nationals. And this is the Foreigners Act of 1946,

11:29which Home Minister Amit Shah often quotes when he's asked, why do you use the term detect,

11:37deport, delete? And then finally, we have the Passport Act of 1920, Section 5 and Passport Act of 1967,

11:46which clearly states that it is the preserve and the prerogative of the central government

11:53to determine whether or not a foreign national migrant or otherwise illegal or otherwise will be

11:59staying in India beyond 14 days. Final point. Article 258, one of the constitution is the relevant

12:07article which states, notwithstanding anything in this constitution, the president may with the consent

12:13of the governor. Are egress fees preventing you from building your own AI model? With Cloudflare,

12:19we have the tools to help. Part of the union extends, including migrants and illegal migrants.

12:25Okay. These are five seconds. Five seconds only. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you so much. Article 14 and

12:33Article 19, sorry, Article 14 and Article 21 apply to non-citizens. Judgments for the LDR versus Union of

12:40India 1991, 3 SEC 554, Hans Müller of Nuremberg versus Union of India 1955, Manikara Gandhi versus

12:46Union of India 1978. That is the general settled principle in law. You can ask any lawyer. 14 and 21

12:52apply to non-citizens as well. 19 does not apply to non-citizens. Viewers, obviously the state will

12:58guarantee people who have come legally on a visa, etc., etc. Some writes Dr. Ranganathan in our country,

13:06we're not a banana republic. If you apply and come for a work visa, for example, to India, it doesn't

13:11mean that you can be beaten, flogged on the streets, thrown around, bashed around, abused, etc. Obviously,

13:18the state will guarantee you certain protections. I mean, what are we talking about? It's a non sequitur.

13:23I'm asking you, this gentleman has come out and said, Nikhil, that you see, we believe in Vasudeva

13:29Katumbukam. Of course, this government doesn't, by any stretch of the imagination, according to him,

13:35uphold this tenet. Therefore, let's open our doors.

13:40Good evening, Rahul and good evening to my fellow panelists. No, I think,

13:44I think the time has come for us to be honest about the way the Indian state conducts itself.

13:48I think the time has come for the state to take away a Hindu citizenship. I think that will be the

13:53right thing to do. As it is, we are being constitutionally, legally, socially, educationally

13:59discriminated against. So, why keep up with this pretense that we are equal citizens in this country?

14:04We can't approach the courts to reclaim our temples. Our temples are under government control.

14:09We are refugees in our own land. Our schools are forced to provide reservations. Our mass murderers

14:14are being felicitated and celebrated. Our festivals and way of life is being regulated and adjudicated upon.

14:19So, why keep this pretense? Garb se kao, humare tumare saath discriminate karna chahte hain.

14:24And as far as Rohingyas are concerned, I have no objections to legal refugees being provided basic

14:29facilities for a limited period. But how has it come now to providing those facilities to even illegal

14:35Rohingyas, given that much of those facilities can't even be provided to ordinary Indians, given that

14:41demographic change is not just a ticking time bomb. It is now a hissing time bomb that can explode any

14:47time with devastating consequences. In 2023, police in Haryana arrested as many as 25 Rohingyas for a

14:55violent mob attack in Nu on Hindu pilgrims. UN refugee card was found on all of them.

15:01There were riots in India back in 2012 to get the Rohingyas here. Ten years later, the Rohingyas are

15:07rioting here. Besides Rahul, number of Rohingya refugees currently living in USA, 5000, Europe, 3000,

15:15Jordan, 1300, Indonesia 1200, Canada 1100, Japan 560, Qatar 20, India 40,000. Qatar, an Islamic Republic

15:27has taken 20 Rohingyas. Jordan, Indonesia, other Muslim nations 1000 each and India 40,000. But hey,

15:34Modi is anti-Muslim, India is a fascist Hindutva nation. And remember how Indian Muslims united and

15:39indulge in Azad Maidan protests and riots to force the Indian government to take in Muslim Rohingya refugees

15:44from Myanmar? Well, it resulted in us ultimately taking in 40,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees. It is

15:50another matter that no one Muslim Indian has actually ever united to force the Indian government to

15:55settle 7 lakh Kashmiri Hindus who were driven out from their own homes. Anyhow, all Hindus remember

16:01Azad Maidan. But do we remember Khamong Sheikh? We don't. I'll tell you what Khamong Sheikh is. It is a

16:06place in Myanmar where Muslim Rohingyas murdered more than 100 Hindus and their families mercilessly,

16:12raped, pillaged, even buried some alive. Many among those Rohingya Muslims who committed this atrocity

16:17might even right now be in India's refugees. But as I said, no Hindu ever came to talk about Khamong Sheikh,

16:22just 30 seconds. All we do is get jealous of Indian Muslims uniting for Rohingya Muslims,

16:26Palestinian Muslims. Rahul, if you are jealous of someone else's unity, it means you are divided.

16:31And I ask you, what kind of country is this where Kashmiri Hindus are forced to refuge in their own

16:36land, where one can settle 40,000 Rohingya Muslims in India, 6,000 in Jammu in Kashmir, but not 7 lakh

16:42Kashmiri Hindus in Jammu in Kashmir. The land originally inhabitants, enough. Every Indian refugee must be

16:47rehabilitated and every illegal Rohingya refugee must be deported. And if not, then I propose

16:53amenities for illegal Rohingyas be funded through salaries of our Supreme Court judges.

16:57Well, viewers, remember that these people constantly tell us that India is a Hindu Pakistan,

17:03where Muslims are discriminated against, but they build an argument all the time for bringing

17:08Muslims from all parts of the world to this country. That we must open our doors to Muslim,

17:14Rohingya Muslims, that the state itself is designated. And I'm not just talking about this government,

17:19viewers. There are other state governments and their police that have designated them

17:24under opposition governments and parties that have designated them as threat to a security,

17:29national security. Anyhow, let me bring in Shabnam Dei of the TMC. Shabnam Dei, I'll come to you,

17:34Nikhil Jain, one minute. Shabnam Dei, I want to ask you a fundamental question. Why would the TMC,

17:40why would the TMC slander the chief justice and say that he was playing to the TRP galleries?

17:51That is what one of your members of parliament has said, when all he has done is to take a firm

17:56stance and say that we cannot be rolling out the red carpet for illegal immigrants into this country.

18:04What is the problem?

18:08Good evening, Mr. Srivastava. If you're still typing your coding prompts,

18:13you're leaving performance on the table. You're prompting cursor over a hundred...

18:17What senior advocate, Mr. Kullan Banerjee has reiterated, it is the statement of the

18:29judgments which has been observed by the jurists of the Apex court. Now, justice has to be very

18:43pronounced in the judgments by implicating there also, by applying their minds and phenomenal

18:52situation which is prevalent. Ma'am, what are you saying? Can you be a little more lucid?

18:55I'm sorry, what is your point? First of all, you are Rahul Srivastava.

18:59I'm coming to that point. I'm used to that. Coming to that point.

19:01That's why I changed my name from Shiva Sankar to Shiv Shankar because on the first syllable,

19:07people in the north and other parts of this country used to stumble. So I said,

19:11forget Shiva Sankar. This happened in school itself, Dr. Ranganathan. So I said,

19:15let me make it Shiv Shankar. You know, people in the north will have no problems. So I don't blame Ms. Day.

19:20That's a, that's a given. I'm sorry. But that's okay. Ms. Day, I just want to ask you a question.

19:25The TMC has a problem with the Chief Justice. Can you answer this question squarely? No, no, no.

19:29I think you're fumbling for words because you don't know what to say tonight.

19:33Not fumbling. I'm coming to the point. When? What the Honorable Justice, what they are now trying to

19:40determine that is there at only the, only one-sided opinion. That is the judgment. But you have to see.

19:49Judgment would be one-sided. I mean, it can't make everybody happy. What are you saying, ma'am?

19:55I'm talking about, it should be a very, you know, balanced judgment that you should know that it is

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