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00:00:00Hey, thank you very much for having me today. I'm Ryan Blanca and I will tell you guys something
00:00:12about the role that soccer and sports in general has played in my life. So I'm Ryan and I have
00:00:27a indigenous father from Marowayna in Suriname and an Hindustani mother from Nikeri in Suriname.
00:00:36And from an early age on there was a strong bond with the Marowayna district because we
00:00:46went there regularly during the vacations. And I also made many jungle trips with my dad
00:00:55and my uncles and to get in the jungle and to learn the traditional ways of surviving in
00:01:09those environments has made a very huge impact on me from an early age on. During my whole
00:01:20youth soccer has played an important role in my life. I remember going to soccer practice
00:01:27with my dad who played at Puanani at that time. And we, the kids from the soccer players, we made our own
00:01:42little game besides the big soccer field where all the dads were playing.
00:01:51Soccer was, for me, soccer was a physical and emotional outlet. That's the way I experienced it.
00:02:10Since I was very shy and introverted during my time as a youngster. So soccer was, for me, the possibility to
00:02:23to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to expose, expose, expose, um, the Persian, uh, who, who Ryan is.
00:02:42Soccer has helped.
00:02:46Uh, has helped, uh, has helped to make, uh, has, has also helped me.
00:03:07So to, to develop, to develop your talent. Because it was a talent, actually. It was, it was one of your talents.
00:03:15Yes.
00:03:16And just because you were also a great talent, uh, in, uh, in arts. I remember you were drawing the, the superheroes, like,
00:03:29superman, superman, uh, cartoons. Yes, yes. That's, that's right. Since, uh,
00:03:38But you could, you could, uh, very much more expose yourself in soccer than in drawing and, uh,
00:03:48Exactly. Because, uh, uh, uh, feeling, uh, feeling, uh, the talent in you, in yourself and exposing that in a soccer game is something that, uh, that I've never experienced, uh, before with anything else. So that, that was a very wonderful feeling.
00:04:09Especially the tricks you developed later on.
00:04:12Yeah, uh, and it doesn't, it didn't matter if we, if I played with my, with, with, uh, guys from my same age or with, with older guys. Yeah, with older guys, uh, I,
00:04:27I always succeeded in, uh, in, in using my tricks and my, my talent and technique in the game.
00:04:34Another thing that, uh, that was important, uh, for me, uh, from soccer, uh, it, it, it helped, it helped me also make some important, uh, decisions regarding, uh, uh, things as liquor, cigarettes, uh, using drugs, and, and, uh, getting, uh, working on your physique.
00:05:02Because, uh, uh, I, I, at the early age, I, I was, I, I saw that soccer was more than just your talent.
00:05:12You also had to develop your physical skills.
00:05:15You also had to develop your condition.
00:05:19And you were very aware of health.
00:05:22Yeah, health. You had, you had to prepare.
00:05:25Your, your, your talent wasn't enough.
00:05:28You had to prepare in order to, to, to play the game as it, as it is supposed to be played.
00:05:34Um, because outdoor football, there was a difference, you had, you had outdoor soccer fields, and you had, uh, indoor, and then the outdoor, you had, you very much needed your physical condition, because you had to run from, from the goal, from one goal to the, to the other.
00:06:00Yes, of course. And, uh, but, uh, when you're young, uh, let's say, uh, running is something like, uh, like a natural thing to do.
00:06:11But, um, uh, uh, being able to play a whole soccer game, as you just said, if you, if you have the official, uh, field, an outdoor soccer field, it, it requires much physical strength to be able to, to show your talents, to be able to perform better than the other players.
00:06:33And, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
00:07:03problemas con la...
00:07:09Dehydration, con tu cuerpo.
00:07:13Sí, claro.
00:07:15Eso fue luego.
00:07:17Eso fue tu edad, tu habitación, tu habitación,
00:07:21tu habitación, tu habitación,
00:07:24y yo mismo, como tu hermano,
00:07:30me recuerda que yo soy la persona,
00:07:33soy el entrevistador.
00:07:35Así que eso fue,
00:07:40digamos, el principio.
00:07:43Estabas muy talento en la primera vez,
00:07:50y después de un tiempo,
00:07:54te llevaste a otro nivel.
00:07:56We went to Sorok and Hol.
00:08:00Yellowbirds,
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00:08:22¿Cómo experienciaste en ese momento?
00:08:24Sí, sí, fue muy confrontante, en el sentido de que fue fútbol, también fue fútbol, pero fue fútbol con otra experiencia.
00:08:45Porque antes de eso, fue fútbol de recreación de soccer para mí.
00:08:52¿Without profesionales?
00:08:55No, pero...
00:08:57No, no, con profesionales de soccer, shoes, outfits...
00:09:04Y con el refiere, con todas las reglas, con el timing, con los reales, con los reales.
00:09:14Con los reales.
00:09:16Con los reales, con la neta.
00:09:17Porque siempre tuvimos un solo reales.
00:09:22Con los reales.
00:09:25Pero ahora, yo estaba jugando en reales.
00:09:29Con jerseys, con los jerseys, con los jerseys y con los jerseys.
00:09:35Y con los jerseys.
00:09:36Así, fue un otro experiencia.
00:09:39Y también, yo conocí muchos chicos que también eran talentosos y también skilledos.
00:09:47Y con los jerseys, con los jerseys y con los jerseys.
00:10:02¿Y quiénes eran sus inspiraciones en ese momento en televisión?
00:10:07Sí.
00:10:08¿National y internacional?
00:10:10¿Y en el campeón de la mundial en 1986 o en 1988?
00:10:14Sí, quiero decir algo sobre eso.
00:10:17Yo recuerdo claramente que la FIFA World Cup de 1982 en España
00:10:25fue la primera vez que yo vio un campeonato de soccer en la escena de la televisión.
00:10:33Porque en 1982, mi padre, que también era un gran fan de soccer,
00:10:42boughtó su primer TV con color screen.
00:10:46Especialmente para la FIFA World Cup de España.
00:10:50Y mi favorito de jugar a ese momento, ¿y el campeón de la Champions?
00:10:51Síco, de la FIFA Nacional de Parlamentar, la FIFA World Cup de España.
00:10:55Así que yo recuerdo que el campeón de la FIFA del equipo de Argentina va a ser un campeonato de la FIFA.
00:10:57Y ahora fue Diego Armando Maradona del equipo de Argentina de la FIFA doce.
00:10:58He fue muy seriously injured por otro jugador que podría ser mi favorito jugador en el futuro.
00:11:11Y que fue Diego Armando Maradona de Argentina de la Nación de Soccer.
00:11:17Y Diego Armando Maradona hizo un terrible actio en el knee de Zico.
00:11:31Y Zico no fue capaz de jugar en la FIFA World Cup.
00:11:38¿Cuántos números fue jugador en ese momento?
00:11:41I remember Maradona fue número 10.
00:11:44Maradona fue número 10 para Argentina y Zico fue número 10 para Brasil.
00:11:51Y después...
00:11:52¿Y en el blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu y blu.
00:12:04Y el equipo con Boruchaga fue en 1986.
00:12:09Era la FIFA World Cup en México.
00:12:12Y en ese momento, yo era un gran fan de la Nación de Argentina.
00:12:20Y especialmente un gran fan de Diego Armando Maradona.
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00:12:46Porque he recogido todo tipo de información, fotos y fotos, he decorado mi habitación con fotos de Diego Maradona y de toda la equipo.
00:13:01I was very acquainted with all the players, from Faldano, Jorge Faldano, to Buru Chaga, to Pompidou, the goalkeeper, to Diego Maradona, of course, Diego Simeon, and all the terrific players from Argentina at that time.
00:13:23So, yeah, after I saw Diego Maradona in 1986, I wanted to become also a professional soccer player.
00:13:36That was like a huge experience for me.
00:13:40And at that moment, you also had a lot of collectors items, like the sports release and the caps from the soda bottles.
00:14:07Yes, soda bottles and the Coca-Cola company.
00:14:11Yes.
00:14:12So, you also were very fanatic collecting these things in order to win something.
00:14:28Yes, the sports release were from 1982, because it was in Spain, and Spain, the sports release was the symbol for the FIFA World Cup in Spain.
00:14:41And in 1986, it was a figure from Mexico, but I cannot remember.
00:14:49The sports release, as we could explain, were little, like little dolls, right?
00:14:56Yeah, little soccer players, yeah.
00:14:58With some kind of Spanish-like look.
00:15:04And then they've made them in all the jerseys from the teams that were playing.
00:15:09And if you've collected all the caps, all the caps that you had to glue to a big cart,
00:15:20then you could deliver this cart to the Fernandes Bottling Company in Suriname,
00:15:26and then you could get a surprise gift from them,
00:15:33from all kinds of FIFA collectibles.
00:15:38Suriname really won something at that time.
00:15:42As always, we'd rather collected the sports release, or we didn't, we were not,
00:15:52after a while we stopped collecting these caps, bottle caps.
00:15:59Yeah, but I remember that we were able to finish one of the cars,
00:16:08because during that time, we were regular visitors of KOB.
00:16:17That was like some kind of club for teachers from Catholic origin.
00:16:30And they had a bar there, and at that bar, they opened up all the caps.
00:16:35And then there was like a collecting box, and then we rushed immediately to the bar,
00:16:42and emptied the collecting box, and we were able to collect a large number of caps there,
00:16:51which helped us huge to finish up the cart.
00:16:58Yeah, the bottle caps are like the doppel van de flessen.
00:17:05I could look that up later.
00:17:08Yeah.
00:17:09Because caps are...
00:17:12I think there are also caps, but you can check it.
00:17:18Okay, can I continue, or do you have a question for me to...
00:17:23Yeah, so that was about your Yod.
00:17:26Yeah, so that was about your Yod.
00:17:30So, in those times, the media opportunities were expensive.
00:17:44We didn't have like a camera or things for those moments.
00:17:54To capture them.
00:17:55Yeah, to capture those important moments in those times.
00:18:00So, we had like some pictures you have left from those times, but we didn't...
00:18:07In those times, the opportunities for making home videos, yeah.
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00:22:00este talento en un nivel profesional. Pero alguien lo hizo, ¿verdad? Como tu tío Lutwey.
00:22:11Leif Lang, ¿puedes decir algo sobre cuando llegaste a nuestra vida?
00:22:23¿Puedes decir algo sobre esos tiempos?
00:22:29Sí, eso es completamente correcto.
00:22:39Soccer fue siempre parte de mi vida.
00:22:42Desde la escuela de la escuela, yo jugué.
00:22:48Yo jugué mucho en la ciudad, solo para divertirme.
00:22:58Ya jugué 5 y más kilómetros, solo para llegar a la forma de la jugada.
00:23:06Después de jugar en nuestras propiedades.
00:23:10Yo jugué, como tú dijiste.
00:23:14Yo jugué a Yellowbirds en Johan Bodegh Rafalan en Paramaribo.
00:23:20Y jugué con varios equipos.
00:23:24Y jugué también con SV Santos.
00:23:28Sí.
00:23:29Sí.
00:23:30Sí.
00:23:31Sí.
00:23:32Sí.
00:23:33Sí.
00:23:34jugué con diferentes grupos.
00:23:35Sí.
00:23:36Jugos.
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00:24:00y otro chico, su nombre fue Ficha,
00:24:06yo todavía no sé como Ficha,
00:24:09pero esos chico también tenían
00:24:13magnífico habilidades de soccer.
00:24:17Después,
00:24:20nos encontramos un nuevo chico
00:24:26en nuestra familia,
00:24:28que era Leifland,
00:24:30y él también tenía una historia en el soccer,
00:24:34porque en su red
00:24:40había muchos otros,
00:24:43internacionales conocidos,
00:24:45y uno de ellos fue Ficha Frenkel,
00:24:48y Ficha Frenkel,
00:24:50en ese momento,
00:24:52era el coach de Transvaal,
00:24:56uno de los más conocidos en Suriname.
00:25:02y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:04de los más conocidos,
00:25:06y de los más conocidos en Suriname.
00:25:12y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:14y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:16y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:18y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:20y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:22y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:24y de los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:26todos los más conocidos en Suriname,
00:25:28¿tod Cyberpunk,
00:25:30y de los más conocidos en Suriname?
00:25:32y Alcáims,
00:25:46Así que me he arrangado para tener una primera...
00:25:53¿Cómo se dice?
00:25:57Si, si me puede...
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00:26:11Soccor, sports, and soccer in general is not, we could not compare that to the football, American football as well with the helmet.
00:26:27This sport is actually a whole different kind of, it's a whole different, a way bigger difference than the American footballs, to get it clear.
00:26:53Because maybe some people, especially in North America, don't really practice, I don't know, this soccer sport, they, as we know, in America, as we know, the baseball, or the NBA, or the American football,
00:27:19which will be practiced with gear like helmets and these things. So let's be clear on that.
00:27:33So you could continue on with the, with the, with the, with the, with the higher to go on a northern level.
00:27:43Yes. Okay, so I had my first training with Transvaal. And the coach, the youth coach from Transvaal at that moment was a guy called Tito Rodriguez.
00:28:00And Tito Rodriguez was, was, was very pleased with my skills. And he, he approved for me to, to join the club.
00:28:13But that, that, that, that time was also, uh, at the, at the, at the ending of my, uh, of my high school period.
00:28:22So, I went to high school and, uh, and also played soccer with Transvaal. And, uh, but that was also the last years in Suriname, before I left, uh, for the Netherlands.
00:28:40So did you get gear that they, that this team, uh, took good care of you?
00:28:47Yeah. So, uh, yeah, that, that's, uh, and that's, uh, important question, uh,
00:28:53Did you sign a contract?
00:28:55No, because in Suriname, uh, at that time, there was, there was no professional soccer.
00:29:02Uh, nowadays, you have something like, uh, a semi-professional.
00:29:07Or the SVB, the Suriname football, football boom.
00:29:11Yeah. But now, uh, guys like, uh, some, some guys with money in Suriname.
00:29:18They invest in soccer players.
00:29:20Yeah. And they, they pay players to play soccer.
00:29:23But during my time, there was no, no paid, no paid soccer. No.
00:29:32You just had to play, uh, because you, you liked it.
00:29:37So, um, uh, the, the biggest, the biggest lessons I've, I've learned from that period was that, uh,
00:29:45that soccer isn't only about skills and about talent.
00:29:50It's also about, uh, about, about your focus, your mental, uh, strength and your mental focus.
00:30:02If you don't have the mental strength and the focus, uh, to overcome your competitors,
00:30:10uh, even with the, with the best of skills, uh, you won't survive.
00:30:22So, um, uh, yes, that period in Transvaal, uh, learn, I've learned me that, um, uh, soccer was, was more than, than just skills.
00:30:35And, uh, uh, uh, uh, that, that was, uh, a big eye-opener for me.
00:30:41And, uh, and, uh, and this, this, uh, learning phase would continue to the Netherlands,
00:30:49where, where I left after, after the, and afterwards when I played for Transvaal.
00:30:55So, did you get a scholarship for your study?
00:30:59Um, how did you, uh, how did you left your name?
00:31:03Cause your name was your native, was your, uh, your place of birth, right?
00:31:09Yes.
00:31:10Um, horrible to be accepted.
00:31:12Yeah.
00:31:13I didn't, I didn't, uh, uh, got, got the grades, let's say it like that.
00:31:20I didn't got the grades, the, the highest grades to, to, to apply for a scholarship.
00:31:27And because at that time you could apply for a scholarship in Brazil, you could apply for a scholarship in Aru, in Cuba, and in, in the United States.
00:31:39I don't know if there were scholarships in the Netherlands, but, um, I didn't, uh, my marks weren't enough to apply for a scholarship.
00:31:50And, uh, another problem in Suriname was that, uh, scholarships are also, poli, have also political issues.
00:32:00If your, if your parents, uh, have the political network to lobby for a scholarship, then you, you might make, make a chance.
00:32:10But if they don't, then, uh, yeah, it's like, uh, you have, like, uh, no chance of, uh, applying for, uh, and receiving a scholarship.
00:32:22So, after I finished my high school, um, yeah, I, I applied for, uh, uh, a program at the University of Amsterdam.
00:32:35And, uh, uh, they said that I could, I could come, but I had to bring my diploma and my, uh, my, uh, marks, my list of marks.
00:32:50I, I had to bring those.
00:32:51Your scores.
00:32:52Yeah, my scores, sorry.
00:32:54My scores and, uh, my diplomas, I had to bring them along.
00:32:59And then I, I, I had a big chance of being accepted at the University of Amsterdam.
00:33:09So, uh, in 1993, I left for the Netherlands.
00:33:13And, uh, of course, uh, I've started, uh, studies.
00:33:18But I have also started playing soccer at DVVA in Amsterdam.
00:33:25It was at the, uh, uh, they've called it, uh, the, the, the sport, uh, uh, facility of Demon.
00:33:36That is where, where we've practiced and where we played, uh, also, uh, our competition.
00:33:43Uh, my, the first, I remember very clearly my first, uh, day at practice at DVVA.
00:33:50My teammates were very surprised about, uh, about my technical skills.
00:33:56And, uh, they were immediately enthusiastic, uh, of, of bringing me into the team.
00:34:04So, I've played with DVVA for about a year here in Amsterdam.
00:34:10And, uh, we've played, uh, games in Amsterdam, in Almere.
00:34:18We've went also to, uh, to, uh, to, to play Folan.
00:34:24We went also to, uh, Amsterdam West.
00:34:27And we've played to, uh, all kinds of teams, various teams.
00:34:32So, I think you forgot to mention the weather, right?
00:34:36How did you adjust to the weather?
00:34:39It was very big and you, the transportation was mostly bicycle, right?
00:34:45Yes.
00:34:46You talked a lot, uh, to the snow and, uh, uh, how are these conditions?
00:34:51How did you, uh, how did you, uh, how did you have with these conditions?
00:34:57Yes, um, that's a very good question.
00:35:00And, uh, I had, I have to, I have to be honest.
00:35:06At first, uh, I, I, I thought about quitting the soccer game.
00:35:13Because, uh, uh, the guys here in, in, uh, in Amsterdam, they, they play like in winter time.
00:35:22And then it's like, uh, zero and below degrees.
00:35:26And they still practice.
00:35:29Uh, the grass is like frozen solid.
00:35:32So, if you make a, a sliding move, uh, you get to hurt your, your, your leg.
00:35:40And, uh, it's, it's, during the whole game, it's very cold.
00:35:45The only thing that you, that you urge for during, uh, during the, the mid-time break is, uh, is a cup of, of, uh, hot tea.
00:35:55And, and not, uh, the cold water that you were used to in, uh, in Suriname.
00:36:01In a tropical condition.
00:36:03Yeah, in a tropical condition.
00:36:04So, that, that, it was, uh, it's like a difference between night and day.
00:36:09That, that, that's, uh, that's, that's true.
00:36:11Yeah, that's for sure.
00:36:12You have to, you have to get, get past the bitter conditions of the weather here in, uh, in the Netherlands.
00:36:20Before you can, can, uh, uh, uh, get into the soccer game.
00:36:35Um, after, after, uh, DVVA, I went to play for, uh, say, Belgia.
00:36:41That was, uh, a soccer team in, uh, the east of Amsterdam.
00:36:46And, this, let's be clear that this was not, we're not talking about, paid football.
00:36:53No, no, no, no, no.
00:36:54This, this was, uh, DVVA was, you, you could, you could, uh, categorize DVVA like a recreational soccer team.
00:37:05But, Siberia was also, was already another, a high, a level higher.
00:37:11They were the, the highest, uh, amateur club of the Sunday competition in, uh, in, uh, in Amsterdam.
00:37:20And, during my time at Siberia, I experienced one time that a guy, uh, they call these guys, uh, scouts.
00:37:32That, uh, uh, scout, uh, came up to me and asked me if I was interested, uh, in making a career out of soccer.
00:37:42So, I was, uh, I was, uh, I, I immediately responded yes.
00:37:49And, he said that, uh, uh, I just had to play good, continue playing, uh, good.
00:37:57And, uh, that, uh, he would contact, they would contact me.
00:38:01But, these were, uh, a, uh, uh, actually, you, you, you, you were soccer squad still had a voluntary, voluntary, uh, thing to it.
00:38:19You, you never really complained, complained about money, right?
00:38:24No, yo estaba solo practicando y jugando porque me encanta el juego muy bien.
00:38:32Tu fuiste fanático y no hubo nadie...
00:38:38En realidad, todavía no tienes nada más de estos tiempos, ¿no?
00:38:46No, no. No, no. No pictures. No video o photo capture.
00:38:59You were never really critical about saving something to remember.
00:39:11No, no uniform, no jersey.
00:39:14No trophies. No, no. No medals.
00:39:20No, I didn't, I don't have anything, no material thing from that time.
00:39:30It's all just in my memories.
00:39:32So besides your study, you were also putting a lot of time into this, into your sport.
00:39:40Into the soccer. I was practising a lot and every week we had one competition game that was to be played somewhere in Amsterdam or in cities outside of Amsterdam like Almira.
00:39:56So to put it right, you were actually practising just to stay in physical shape and conditions.
00:40:06No, no. To be honest, I had...
00:40:10To get away from your stress or your negative.
00:40:14Also, but I had, I still at that time, I was 19 at that time and I still, I still had some belief or some hope that I could make some living out of soccer.
00:40:29Someday. Someday, yeah.
00:40:31Someday, yeah.
00:40:32So which is because you were still struggling a lot with your study, right?
00:40:37Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:39I, um, during that age, I was struggling with several things, um, of course, my studies.
00:40:45But, uh, during that time, you also have to make decisions about, about, uh, working, about relationships, about, of course, your studies, about your career, what you're, what you're wanting, what, what you're, where, what, what you're going to, to, to, to.
00:41:06Pursuit.
00:41:07So in the beginning, in these times in Amsterdam, you were staying with your parents in East, right?
00:41:16Yeah.
00:41:17Yeah.
00:41:18At the Java Square, right?
00:41:19Yeah, the...
00:41:20In the Java Square.
00:41:21Sumatra Street.
00:41:22Yeah.
00:41:23Yeah.
00:41:24It was close to the Java Square, yeah.
00:41:27Um, yeah, so, um, uh,
00:41:35Um, what I experienced was that, um, uh, if I look, if I reflect on that time, uh, I needed, I needed some guidance.
00:41:49If, if I had guidance during that time, uh, just to help me figure out, uh, how, for example, to, to plan my studies, and my, uh, and my soccer practice, and work, and all those other things.
00:42:08Maybe there was a chance of, uh, of, of, of doing, of getting the soccer game into a higher, or semi-professional level.
00:42:18Because in the Netherlands, you have not only the, the, the so-called Eredivisie, but you also have the Erste Divisie.
00:42:27And now it's called the Eredivisie, and now it's called the Eredivisie, and now it's called the Eredivisie.
00:42:32And that is also, uh, a professional.
00:42:35You, you, you, you play soccer and get paid for it.
00:42:38But, of course, the salaries in the, in the first division are not that high as in the, in the, in the Eredivisie.
00:42:47So, yeah, and, and the Netherlands is, is like, uh, a developed country where, if you have the above average, uh, skills, or above average, uh, uh, persistence, then you have a good chance of earning money with that skill.
00:43:10So, it's, it's, it's like in all the sports, volleyball, basketball, soccer, swimming, uh, table tennis, just name it.
00:43:21If you're darts, even darts, if you play darts well, you can even pursue a professional career in darts.
00:43:29So, the Netherlands, as opposite to Suriname, has the, the, the possibilities for people who are, who, who are excellent in a sport to, to make it a living of the sport.
00:43:45That, that is a big difference between Suriname and the Netherlands.
00:43:49So, as we could refer, uh, let's be clear on, uh, uh, developing, uh, beside having a talent, somebody, uh, discovering you, put, put, uh, putting time and energy, because you also met with a lot of, uh, um, uh, uh, you met also with a lot of, uh, uh,
00:44:19En estos tiempos, el problema también fue que
00:44:26tuviste muchas enfermedades, ¿verdad?
00:44:33En estos tiempos, ¿verdad?
00:44:35Estabas atacando, fallo en el campo,
00:44:39¿verdad?
00:44:41¿Puedes recordar los tiempos en los tiempos?
00:44:52Sí.
00:44:54Porque cuando crees, te crees más,
00:44:57te crees más,
00:44:58y tus condiciones físicas también
00:45:03son menos, ¿verdad?
00:45:09Te crees más, ¿verdad?
00:45:12No te crees más,
00:45:13¿verdad?
00:45:15No te crees más fuerte.
00:45:17Tu cuerpo también empiezas a...
00:45:19¿verdad?
00:45:21Sí.
00:45:22¿Qué son las malas en los tiempos?
00:45:27¿Cuáles son las malas que te recuerdas?
00:45:32¿Has tenido una enfermedad muy alta como ir a la hospital?
00:45:40No.
00:45:41No.
00:45:42No.
00:45:43No.
00:45:44No.
00:45:45No.
00:45:46No.
00:45:47No.
00:45:48No.
00:45:49No.
00:45:50No.
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00:45:53No.
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00:45:55No.
00:45:56No.
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00:45:58No.
00:45:59No.
00:46:00No.
00:46:01No.
00:46:02No.
00:46:03No.
00:46:04No.
00:46:05No.
00:46:06No.
00:46:07No.
00:46:08No.
00:46:09No.
00:46:10No.
00:46:11No.
00:46:12No.
00:46:13No.
00:46:14No.
00:46:15No.
00:46:16No.
00:46:17No.
00:46:18No.
00:46:19No.
00:46:20No.
00:46:21No.
00:46:22No.
00:46:23No.
00:46:24No.
00:46:25No.
00:46:26No.
00:46:27No.
00:46:28No.
00:46:29puedes practicar todos los días y trabajar todos los días y tu cuerpo ajusta a ti
00:46:39porque durante ese momento yo también he tenido días de 15 kilómetros en la hermosa Ghasperplas
00:46:51aquí en Amsterdam en Ghasperplas Park, así que fue mi primer, mi primer, mi primer
00:47:01pero...
00:47:02Yo creo que también te olvidaste mencionar tu posición en el campo, ¿cuáles eran tus especialidades?
00:47:08Oh, sí
00:47:09Para ser exacto en el campo, tú no estuviste en el campo, ¿verdad?
00:47:14Tú estuviste en el campo, ¿verdad?
00:47:16Sí, yo era un campo jugador, no era el campo.
00:47:20¿Pero qué?
00:47:22Ah...
00:47:23The...
00:47:24The position I was playing the most was the right outer player, so in Dutch they say the
00:47:33rechtsbeuter.
00:47:35So I was like the front, the front, one of the front guys but on the right, so I had to
00:47:42make the action on the right line of the field or getting to move into the goal to create
00:47:50space on the right side of the field and because I was in that position I had meet several goals during my soccer years here because if you're skilled enough you get passed by two or three players and then you're face to face with the goalkeeper and then you get passed by two or three players and then you're face to face with the goalkeeper and then you get passed by two or three players.
00:47:57So...
00:47:58You never made the goal.
00:47:59So...
00:48:00We never made the goal.
00:48:01So...
00:48:02We never made the goal.
00:48:03Uh...
00:48:04So...
00:48:05Because I was in that position I had...
00:48:06I had made several goals during my soccer years here because if you're skilled enough you... you... you... you get passed by two or three players and then you're... you're... you're... face to face with the goalkeeper and then... you're... you're... you're... face to face with the goalkeeper and then... if you're skilled enough, yeah... you get to make the goal.
00:48:22So...
00:48:23So...
00:48:24You never made... uh... notes about this... uh... like... uh... um... you never really wrote things down, right?
00:48:37Like a... like a diary?
00:48:38How much goals.
00:48:39Yeah.
00:48:40No, no, no, no.
00:48:41I didn't.
00:48:42No, I didn't.
00:48:43And another thing what you were... what you were really... what a big specialty was your tricks, right?
00:48:51You could... uh... you could really cut down the ball when it came to playing on the... to get to... in order to get to... to the front.
00:49:02Because that's the... most important thing in... in the soccer sport is to get... is to... is to get past your... your... opponents and... and... and... and... and in a... uh... let's say in a... fast as possible...
00:49:20time to get... uh... near the goal, right?
00:49:24And... uh... make your... moves, right?
00:49:28Yes... uh... those... those skills... those tricks... uh... as you've said... uh... the... the funny thing is that the tricks I used... during my... my... my age of 19 or 20... those were tricks that I was practicing already when I was like... uh... 10... 9... 10... 11...
00:49:499... 10... 11 years in Suriname...
00:49:51You're juvenile...
00:49:52Yeah...
00:49:53So... uh... the wonderful thing about... about those skills and tricks is that... those are the things that... that you practice like... when... when you're at... very early age... and... they become like... a second nature... when... so when you're like... uh... in your... in your teens...
00:50:13Liberty... yeah... or juvenile... when you're like a juvenile... then... uh... it comes naturally... because you... you've... you've... you've... you've practiced it... practice it... practice it... and... it's like a second nature... but... um...
00:50:27Because how many times you could keep the ball... let's say... with... as we could follow... we made a short demo... where we could... see a little bit... of your... technique... uh... play... but not really... a demo... with opponents... because... uh... we... because... uh... uh... uh... as we look back at your current football... already...
00:50:55en tu carrera de fútbol o tu vida o tu carrera en el deporte
00:51:00mucha tiempo fue gastado, ¿verdad?
00:51:04porque en estos tiempos pensabas que tenías un pequeño cámara
00:51:11o hiciste un video sobre estos tiempos
00:51:16cuando jugábamos contra los chicos de Tameca o el vecino
00:51:27lo que quiero decir es
00:51:33¿cuánto tiempo puso mucho tiempo en tu estudios?
00:51:43en tu tiempo en tu tiempo en tu practicación
00:51:53¿cuánto tiempo puso?
00:51:56por ejemplo, ¿cuánto tiempo puso este balón?
00:51:59¿cuánto tiempo puso?
00:52:02porque eso es algo que puso
00:52:07en el momento en tu cuenta
00:52:09¿cuánto tiempo puso?
00:52:13en el momento en tu carrera
00:52:17¿cuánto tiempo puso?
00:52:19¿cuánto tiempo puso?
00:52:21Bueno, lo que podría recordar es que yo era capaz de holdar a 100 veces
00:52:30Pero la cosa principal es que desde que yo era un jugador
00:52:41Si, un jugador de jugador, mi jugador de jugador
00:52:48Era mi jugador de jugador
00:52:52El jugador principal es que mi jugador de jugador
00:52:59Era el factor principal de la jugador de jugador
00:53:05Porque cuando te holde el jugador de jugador de jugador de jugador
00:53:09Entonces tu leves de jugador de jugador de jugador
00:53:12Tire
00:53:14Y luego puedes no poder holde el jugador
00:53:19Así que si, mientras que mi jugador de jugador de jugador
00:53:22Me apoye, yo podría holde el jugador de jugador
00:53:26Con mi jugador de jugador de jugador
00:53:29¿Cómo te refiere en el jugador?
00:53:32¿Cómo te refiere a tu jugador?
00:53:35Porque tu eres un jugador muy fuerte
00:53:39Ese jugador de jugador
00:53:41Como me recordaba
00:53:43Como te recordaba
00:53:45Como te recordaba
00:53:46Como te recordaba
00:53:47Como te recordaba
00:53:49Como te recordaba
00:53:50Como te recordaba
00:53:51El jugador
00:53:52Tu podía tener mucho tiempo
00:53:55En jugador
00:53:57En jugador
00:53:58Tu jugador
00:53:59Tu Hajar
00:54:02Tu competencias
00:54:03Ah
00:54:04Tu managedpe FBI
00:54:05Tune echt
00:54:06Tune all losers
00:54:07evidence
00:54:08Right
00:54:09Y
00:54:12Tu
00:54:14Si
00:54:15Le
00:54:16Put
00:54:18Sin
00:54:19En
00:54:20O
00:54:22es la palabra correcta
00:54:45para derrotar
00:54:48para derrotar
00:54:50sí, para derrotar
00:54:53a veces se caer
00:54:57tal vez que te caer
00:55:00para derrotar
00:55:03para derrotar
00:55:05tu enemigo
00:55:08y dejarlo
00:55:11para derrotar
00:55:15para derrotar
00:55:17y la bola
00:55:21era realmente
00:55:23la bola
00:55:25la bola nunca
00:55:29dejó la bola
00:55:31la bola
00:55:33era realmente
00:55:35la bola
00:55:37era tu especialista
00:55:39no
00:55:41no
00:55:43no
00:55:45no
00:55:46no
00:55:47no
00:55:48yes
00:55:49of course
00:55:50my handling
00:55:51of the ball
00:55:52was one of my
00:55:53strongest skills
00:55:54and that was also recognized
00:55:56here by my
00:55:57team players
00:55:58especially here in the Netherlands
00:56:00because
00:56:01in my opinion
00:56:03you have more
00:56:05technical skilled players
00:56:07in Suriname
00:56:08in the Netherlands
00:56:10but in the Netherlands
00:56:12what was
00:56:13in South America
00:56:14yes
00:56:15but
00:56:16what was very obvious
00:56:17in the Netherlands
00:56:18is that
00:56:19the Dutch guys
00:56:21the Dutch players
00:56:23have
00:56:24bigger persistence
00:56:25in the game
00:56:26they play
00:56:27even if it's zero degrees
00:56:29or less
00:56:30they play
00:56:31yeah
00:56:32they
00:56:33yeah
00:56:34their
00:56:35their
00:56:36their
00:56:37their motivation
00:56:38and their team spirit
00:56:39is bigger than
00:56:40in Suriname
00:56:41so that's
00:56:42that's also
00:56:43a winning
00:56:44yeah
00:56:45how did the
00:56:46how did the
00:56:47physical training differ
00:56:49in
00:56:50because you were mentioning
00:56:51the times
00:56:52when you
00:56:53had the opportunity
00:56:55to play
00:56:56at Transvaal Suriname
00:56:57yeah
00:56:58their physical trainings
00:57:00were heavy
00:57:01right
00:57:02could you mention
00:57:03some
00:57:04of these
00:57:05training
00:57:06the coaches
00:57:07made you
00:57:08made you do
00:57:09yeah
00:57:10so the big difference
00:57:11between Suriname
00:57:12and the Netherlands
00:57:13that
00:57:14in
00:57:15in Suriname
00:57:16the
00:57:17they say
00:57:19the
00:57:20the
00:57:21the
00:57:22the
00:57:23abdominal trainings
00:57:25like
00:57:26yeah but
00:57:27but the
00:57:28the actual soccer
00:57:29part
00:57:30the soccer playing
00:57:31was more
00:57:32in Suriname
00:57:33than the
00:57:34physical training
00:57:35but in
00:57:36Netherlands
00:57:37it was the other way around
00:57:38we did more
00:57:39physical training
00:57:40and less
00:57:41soccer playing
00:57:42because
00:57:43in Suriname
00:57:44we begin
00:57:45physical training
00:57:46and then
00:57:47like
00:57:48in a short time
00:57:49afterwards
00:57:50we could get to
00:57:51play soccer
00:57:52but in the Netherlands
00:57:53you have like more
00:57:54physical training
00:57:55and less
00:57:56and less
00:57:57soccer playing
00:57:58they say
00:57:59they say
00:58:00but they
00:58:01just play
00:58:02and
00:58:03yeah
00:58:04the
00:58:05like for
00:58:06half an hour
00:58:07you
00:58:08warm up
00:58:09let's say
00:58:10yeah
00:58:11to flex
00:58:12the
00:58:13muscles
00:58:14the
00:58:15muscles
00:58:16because
00:58:17one
00:58:18thing
00:58:19was
00:58:20also
00:58:21like
00:58:22like
00:58:23like
00:58:24a
00:58:25foul girl
00:58:26or something
00:58:28also
00:58:29like
00:58:30Kram
00:58:31Anansi
00:58:32is a Suriname
00:58:33worker for that
00:58:34yeah
00:58:35like
00:58:36when you run
00:58:37your leg
00:58:38gets to sleep
00:58:40yeah
00:58:41or
00:58:42you get
00:58:43mudderbuk
00:58:45while drinking too much water
00:58:48or
00:58:50have
00:58:51eaten too much
00:58:52before training
00:58:54yes
00:58:55yes
00:58:56so
00:58:58so
00:58:59the main
00:59:00the main
00:59:01physical points
00:59:02of the
00:59:03soccer training
00:59:04are
00:59:05obviously
00:59:06running
00:59:07but the big difference
00:59:08between
00:59:09Netherlands and Suriname
00:59:10was that
00:59:11in the Netherlands
00:59:12we did lots of
00:59:13obstacle running
00:59:14so
00:59:15you
00:59:16run
00:59:17then
00:59:18then you have
00:59:19a
00:59:20part
00:59:21of the
00:59:22of the
00:59:23running
00:59:24route
00:59:25it's
00:59:26it
00:59:27it's
00:59:28it has
00:59:29lots of obstacles
00:59:30and then you have to
00:59:31you have to
00:59:32jump all over it
00:59:33or you have to
00:59:34run
00:59:35beside it
00:59:37and
00:59:38that
00:59:39increases
00:59:41your
00:59:42your
00:59:43your
00:59:44your
00:59:45your
00:59:46your leg
00:59:47muscles
00:59:48because when you have to jump
00:59:49over something
00:59:50you have to overcome an obstacle
00:59:52then
00:59:53it
00:59:54it
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00:59:56it requires more from your muscles
00:59:57than
00:59:58than just one
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