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00:00page in which she says and i'm quoting the biggest insurance for women is to save your eggs because

00:06then you can choose when to get married when you want to have kids on your own terms but that

00:12statement now seems to not have gone down well with very many for various reasons doctors have

00:18slammed upasana saying that egg freezing process is a costly exercise and it cannot be untaken by

00:24most women zoho co-founder sridhar vembu has also countered upasana's claims advising youngsters

00:32to marry and produce children in their 20s upasana khanadella remember later has also gone on to

00:37clarify and say that egg freezing gives women control over marriage and also children

00:43because then you can choose when to get married when you want to have kids

00:52on your own terms when you are financially independent today i stand on my own feet

00:58i earn a living for myself i'm proudly financially independent this security made me strong and

01:06confident to make bold decisions in my life two things that work the best for you before you

01:12reach your 30s have your goals ready have your career path set and know how much you're going

01:18to earn at every different point in your life earn wealth wise health wise and relationship wise

01:26if you're clear about your vision goal and role in life you become unstoppable the biggest insurance

01:34for women is to save your eggs because then you can choose when to get married when you want to have

01:40kids on your own terms when you are financially independent today i stand on my own feet i earn a living

01:48for myself i'm proudly financially independent this security made me strong and confident to make bold

01:55decisions in my life two things that work the best for you before you reach your 30s have your goals ready

02:04have your career path set and know how much you're going to earn at every different point in your life

02:11earn wealth wise health wise and relationship wise if you're clear about your vision goal and role

02:18in life you become unstoppable the biggest insurance now pastor has gone on to say that she's happy to start a

02:27conversation and definitely she has started a conversation and also a lot of controversy with

02:32the statements that she's made to carry forward that very conversation we have two very uh special

02:38guests who are joining me on the broadcast suzy bain shah who's an advocate is with us and also isha

02:43jeswal a content creator is joining us on the broadcast misha coming to you first when upasana ramcharan's

02:50wife goes on to claim that a woman's biggest insurance is that she goes on to freeze her eggs

02:57what are your views on the statement i think uh whatever good afternoon to everyone and thank you for

03:03having me on your show it is this statement has definitely stirred a debate but debate for a very

03:10few you see the lady i believe her name is upasana comes from a very privileged background has the

03:17financial stability and the ability to promote and propagate the concept of egg freezing but that is for

03:24a privileged few no it does not apply to most of the indian women and therefore i think the the the

03:32the concept is not only it's not well developed and it's an option it's not an option available to

03:38all if you want to choose your career stability i i do believe that there is no conflict on for for

03:45having a timely motherhood and having your career it is the option that you have to choose and the

03:51options are available to most of the women it is up to them whether to choose them or not having said

03:57that i would also say that the word insurance i think it's a very very wrongly used word because

04:03insurance gives you guarantee in egg freezing thereafter preceding with ibf procedure there is

04:09no 100 guarantee of you being a mother so therefore to call call it up insurance is misguiding and

04:17certainly egg freezing is no no silver bullet there are financial implications there is it affects the

04:24health of a woman there is also the the the the hormone imbalance which which is created because

04:31of this ibf treatment so i think i think it requires a awareness debate and it is indeed for a very

04:40privileged few women absolutely do you agree it cannot be all unicorns and rainbow as upasana goes on to

04:48put it and uh uh misha is making that point that it's not a silver bullet there are pros and cons with

04:54this entire egg freezing argument as well in fact health care advocates even doctors have gone on record

05:01to say that it's not a hundred percent proof that you eventually is are going to bear a child if you

05:07in fact go ahead freeze your eggs for later and then comes the cost do you think that upasana is either

05:14completely oblivious to that socioeconomic reality of very many of the indian women uh that they cannot

05:22bear that extensive 5 to 12 lakh rupee cost of not just freezing the eggs but also the embryo transplant

05:28that comes along with it yeah so good afternoon everyone thank you for having me on the show first of all

05:35see first of all upasana other thing which upasana has said is something very sensitive

05:40this differs from woman to woman what she has said is definitely fitting in the background from which

05:46she is she has come from a very high profile society and uh the cost and the technology which is in

05:54involved in this entire process of freezing eggs is some is something which she has been like she has

06:01grown with that because she comes from a farmer giant company so what i think that what she has said is

06:06completely not going with the uh woman the society from which i come from 90 percent of the indian woman

06:13actually uh can't bear this much of cost because it takes lakhs of rupees plus there's all again a mental

06:20uh very mental stress when it comes to freezing eggs first of all i think that uh what she has said

06:28that if uh the female uh society of us freeze the eggs i think that gives them a ladder to success but i

06:36think uh on a different front i think uh i gave a birth to a baby girl two months back and from my

06:43pregnancy journey of nine months to two months postpartum i never felt that i have uh given up

06:49my career or there's some hindrance i've been facing my entire journey correct i i was i can i regularly

06:56created content i was traveling i was speaking at different seminars so i didn't think that this is

07:02creating a hindrance i think everything goes smoothly when you have a particular good support from your

07:08partner from your parents from family and from the society and i think women don't have to go through

07:15medical procedures just to get the success i think if we go back to 30 to 40 years back many of the peers

07:22the women in our society were not encouraged to work but right now i can see my my mom me going out and

07:29working being financially independent and i think the the the society in which we live in 90 percent

07:35plus of the society the so the indian society is progressing but we don't have to go through the

07:40medical procedure and uh freeze our eggs i really want to understand further isha and first of all

07:46congratulations you are a new mother uh she has come up with a retort she's also followed up uh that

07:53tweet of us and she is wanting to engage in the criticism that is coming her way by making a

08:00comparison and she's put out two slides saying that this is what was encouraged for women but this is

08:05what i have done and then she goes on to claim that you know i married at 27 i froze my egg for

08:11completely health reasons at the age of 29. uh and if she says that is marrying late and that is her idea

08:17of marrying late like i have an example i got married when i was 32 so to each their own like isha you

08:23said and like uh misha you mentioned so to each and everybody comes from that certain threshold and

08:28what their idea of having a career at what time having a baby at what time and eventually and before

08:34that of course marriage at whatever time whichever way or have a way maybe without marriage i mean it

08:40totally depends on a woman if she's talking about the autonomy and a choice that a woman needs to come

08:47with that's totally each her own and that is something that we must be discussing why why talk

08:52about freezing eggs only in particular okay so i think that yeah freezing is is not the entire thing

09:01if that the the thing that i want to have kids later in my life or if i don't want to give kids at all

09:09i want to have kids at the age of 23 24 this completely depends from each uh female to female

09:16i i think no one is there to put that pressure you have to go and freeze your eggs and then only you

09:21can succeed i think she gave her opinion because she came from that society she's uh she she is from

09:27the family of apollo hospital so definitely she has seen that particular technology building up in her

09:32family so she can definitely afford that but i think the family which i come and most of the indian

09:38women come uh this is something which is very expensive so definitely uh this

09:46absolutely emisha you know she's also talking about females returning into the workforce and she's

09:50talking about the female labor participation but she's also seems to be rather oblivious to the data

09:56because we even though we boast of a very very robust working environment here in the country we still lag

10:02behind very many of our g20 peers when it is about female participation in the workforce so we have

10:09bigger ladders to climb before we get to let's say a very very elite concept of freezing eggs

10:15and also very privileged at that yes it gives you gives you kind of a feeling that you know elitist

10:22kind of a statement and also i would not run away from saying i would i would also give it a thought that

10:28maybe she's from that line where apollo hospital has the option of freezing eggs for women maybe she

10:33was promoting so she was endorsing okay that is also an argument she's she's chosen to take on and she

10:40in fact loves uh uh you know it out by that that follow-up tweet that she has put out but she's clearly

10:46getting that backlash and people are uh they can't help but make that comparison considering she uh you know

10:53associated with the health care health chain otherwise what was the reason there was no reason

10:59whatsoever there are so many debates so many conversations where most of us including all

11:04the three participating in this uh in this debate have participated in increasing women's workforce

11:10participation but we would never mention it because she has an excess she knows that particular hospital

11:18maybe has this uh egg freezing uh facility but maybe underutilized so maybe she was she was making

11:25a point out there that it should be used by women well it is an option it is an option for women

11:31available to them but it is certainly and absolutely not an insurance it is a very misleading statement

11:39and the woman the women whom you propagate they should be aware about the pros and cons

11:44i don't think she's given any negative side of this story and therefore it should be treated as

11:50such and it should be there out there an option available but i don't know how many of us will be

11:55using it absolutely check with your healthcare providers know the pros and cons and see if you

12:00have the funds to support such a decision if you do decide to make it but miss cha and isha jeswal

12:05thank you so much for joining us on the broadcast and uh let's now talk about one major criticism that has

12:11come in from uh for upasana that is uh by the zoho co-founder sridhar vembu now in october 2025 cnn news 18

12:21spoke to zoho's co-founder mr vembu about child care for working parents in early marriage this is what he

12:27had to say back then i'm here in your campus it's a buzzing campus and lots of young people i see a lot of

12:37young women working here and interestingly when i was coming at the reception i saw this elderly lady

12:43taking care of almost a newborn child and it felt nice to see that somebody could you know the

12:49reception had made space for them how would you describe uh zoho corps campus and its culture the

12:55company's culture so we are here we look at ourselves as an extended family that's how well

13:01describe it that's why you saw the kids we do take care of the child care because it's no working

13:07parents both uh and a father and mother they can work more at peace if they know that their child is

13:12in a safe place i also i want to add this today we have a demographic you know bust everywhere particularly

13:20in the south but all over india so i encourage our own employees get married have children and what

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