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00:00:00This is the police body camera video captured on November 13th, 2022, as Moscow, Idaho police

00:00:12responded to a 911 call. But nothing would prepare police or this tight-knit community

00:00:29for the shocking murders that they discover in this house on King Road.

00:00:34A murder mystery in Idaho. Four University of Idaho students were found dead in their off-campus

00:00:38apartment. It's now being investigated as a homicide. We all underestimated how interested

00:00:44the rest of the nation and the world would be in this case. Nobody was prepared.

00:00:50Roommate on scene states something about a male being in the room with them, trying to get further.

00:00:54You may think you've heard this story, but tonight, we'll take you inside the investigation.

00:01:00We'll show you body camera video from the officer who first responded to the scene, and then the

00:01:06frantic moments that one of the surviving roommates recounts a man in a mask inside the house.

00:01:11I couldn't really see much of him, but I'm almost positive. He's wearing a full-back outfit,

00:01:17and he had this mask that was just over his forehead and over his mouth.

00:01:22You'll hear from the friends who were on the scene that morning, even before police arrived.

00:01:28As soon as you get there, you know something's wrong.

00:01:32And then what happened next?

00:01:33I went into the house.

00:01:36I think I walked just right in the door, and Hunter already was like, everybody get out.

00:01:43And then he was like, somebody call 911.

00:01:48And you'll hear from investigators who launched a nationwide manhunt to unmask and arrest the

00:01:54killer who was found thousands of miles away from the crime scene.

00:01:58You interviewed Brian Koberger.

00:01:59Yes, he would try to go and ask, well, why are you guys really here?

00:02:05And we said, well, I feel like you probably know why we're here.

00:02:20But this all began in 2022.

00:02:23It was the start of a new school year, a time of anticipation, hope, promise.

00:02:28Coming back to school at the University of Idaho really starts in the middle of August.

00:02:34You're packing up your car.

00:02:36It's filled to the brim.

00:02:38You can fit your entire life into a couple of boxes in the back of a sedan.

00:02:43What a time.

00:02:47Moscow at the beginning of the semester was definitely a very happy place.

00:02:52And, like, you step on campus and it's like, okay, this feels right.

00:02:56This feels good to be here.

00:02:59Everyone's really excited.

00:03:00The new people, the new classes, things we can do, people to meet.

00:03:05You know, you raise your kids and you're, you know, you just wonder, you know, what point

00:03:11are they going to kind of feel like they're independent enough to kind of fly the, out of

00:03:16the nest, I guess, if you will.

00:03:18It's a cliche, but.

00:03:19Starting to adult.

00:03:20Yeah, starting to, you know.

00:03:25Among the students arriving here are 21-year-old seniors, Kaylee Gonsalves and Madison Mogan,

00:03:32along with Dana Kurnodal, a 20-year-old junior and 19-year-old sophomore, Ethan Chapin.

00:03:37Four students just starting out, not knowing that soon their lives would violently collide

00:03:43with a Ph.D. student in criminology at another university just across the state line.

00:03:52So on November 12th is when that iconic photo is taken, the last known photo of the four

00:03:59victims all together with their roommates Bethany and Dylan.

00:04:03All six of them before their big night on game day.

00:04:08They've had so many Saturday nights just like this.

00:04:11There was nothing out of the ordinary about this Saturday night in Moscow.

00:04:15Or so they thought.

00:04:17Hours later, friends make a horrific discovery.

00:04:23Can I know on location of your emergency?

00:04:26Hi, something is happening.

00:04:27Something happened in our house.

00:04:29We don't know what.

00:04:30What is the address of the emergency?

00:04:33What unfolds next is the stuff of nightmares.

00:04:45We saw it on our phones before they told us directly.

00:04:50It was like, what?

00:04:51Quadruple homicide?

00:04:53We're calling Kaylee.

00:04:54It's going to voicemail.

00:04:55We're calling Maddie.

00:04:56She's not picking up.

00:04:57And in our minds, it wouldn't have been Kaylee and Maddie both.

00:05:06So I think that my mind just immediately went to like, nope, nope, nope.

00:05:10The most important thing to me was, who did this?

00:05:13Why did they do it?

00:05:15This is Moscow.

00:05:20It doesn't take very long before state police, then the FBI, all join the search for this killer.

00:05:25We realized that there was a security camera right next door to our residence.

00:05:33Once we had that, we quickly realized that we had this white vehicle.

00:05:37And so that was the introduction of the white Elantra for us.

00:05:46We don't know when this person's going to strike again, if they're going to strike again.

00:05:52And the pressure on us to solve alone, our own internal pressure, was huge.

00:05:59And at the same time, you've got the public pressure to find the perpetrator.

00:06:04There's a crush of media.

00:06:06It overwhelms the tiny town of Moscow, along with the lives of everyone touched by these shocking murders.

00:06:13There were, you know, YouTubers and TikTokers outside the house, you know, that want to live stream at our front door.

00:06:21And then someone comes up, like, oh, hey, yeah, what do you have to say?

00:06:24What do you have to say?

00:06:25Like, dude, like, get out of our face.

00:06:27It just went absolutely insane, but that's how the world is now, so.

00:06:30Just trying to get through the days is really all I was doing.

00:06:33You don't feel safe in any situation like that for months.

00:06:37Like, there's no feeling secure or safe.

00:06:40I mean, after the first couple of weeks, we're like, this guy's going to get away with this.

00:06:44But then, nearly seven weeks after the murders, finally an arrest.

00:06:49And we want to get right to our breaking news.

00:06:51A specialized team of state troopers and federal agents taking Brian Koberger into custody early Friday morning.

00:06:58My mom just came into my room and she's like, hey, hey, they got him.

00:07:03They got him.

00:07:04I mean, my first thought was, who is that?

00:07:06I have no clue who you are.

00:07:07It was really shocking to learn he was a WSU student who had moved out to Washington and Pullman that summer to study at Washington State University.

00:07:17He was pursuing a Ph.D. in criminology and justice.

00:07:22For the first time, you'll see some of the hundreds of photos released by authorities just this week.

00:07:27They offer a glimpse into the secret life of Brian Koberger, and you'll hear what investigators learned from analyzing his digital life.

00:07:35He was a loner, no friends, no one really except for his parents.

00:07:40He called them mother and father, even through text message.

00:07:43He didn't take a selfie to send it to someone else.

00:07:45It was very vain.

00:07:46It was very much just him recording himself for that purpose only.

00:07:49But first, tonight, we want you to get to know Kaylee, Maddie, Zanna, and Ethan, who they were, how they lived their lives.

00:08:00And you'll hear how investigators say Koberger planned meticulously to end it all.

00:08:08Dylan had opened her door, and as she looked out, saw an individual in all dark clothing.

00:08:13Then she thought she heard a male voice say, I'm here to help you.

00:08:18And the crucial mistake he made that led authorities right to his doorstep.

00:08:23Boom, and now we have something in this house from the children.

00:08:27That was definitely the first aha moment.

00:08:30Greek life at U of I is pretty tight-knit.

00:08:49We all do things together.

00:08:51The sorority and fraternities were their own little community.

00:08:55When I joined Pi-Fi, I met Zanna, and I just felt welcomed in.

00:09:02You know how you meet some people, and they're like, don't want to talk to you?

00:09:05She would talk your ear off.

00:09:07We had an entire friend group that we were always together.

00:09:11Zanna, Maddie, Emily.

00:09:13We were attached to the hip probably the first day that we met.

00:09:16We just clicked immediately.

00:09:19And I was like, oh yeah, these are my people.

00:09:21These are going to be my people.

00:09:23Hi, my name is Zanna Kurnodal.

00:09:26I'm a marketing major here at the University of Idaho.

00:09:3020-year-old Zanna Kurnodal loved the Pittsburgh Steelers.

00:09:34She loved her friends.

00:09:36And she highlights both in this video that's posted on her sister's social media.

00:09:41And I really like just hanging out with my friends all the time and being super involved in school events.

00:09:49Zanna also really loved electronic dance music.

00:09:54We called her DJ Zan because she was always like, oh, I'm going to play music while we get ready.

00:09:59Like I have a video where she's jumping on the couch and the MacBook's jumping with her.

00:10:04Oh, okay, your laptop.

00:10:06I've never met someone like Zanna before.

00:10:13Ever.

00:10:14There was one night.

00:10:15It had snowed.

00:10:16And we see a sled.

00:10:19And we just went flying.

00:10:24Her smile was contagious.

00:10:26I don't know that I ever saw Zanna not happy.

00:10:31Cracking jokes, nonstop.

00:10:33If you ever had a bad day, maybe, you know, had a rough day, she'll make you happy.

00:10:37Like somehow she'll make you laugh.

00:10:38There'd be mornings I'd wake up and I would pull out of the oven a burnt pizza because she tried to make pizza the night before and fell asleep.

00:10:46Zanna, did you try to make pizza last night?

00:10:48And she'd be like, I guess so.

00:10:50In August of 2022, Zanna moves into 1122 King Road with several friends.

00:10:58That includes Maddie Mogan.

00:11:00And together, the two girls work as servers at the Moscow restaurant Mad Greek.

00:11:07Also spending a lot of time at their house was Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin.

00:11:12He's a triplet, starting his second year at the University of Idaho with his sister Maisie and brother Hunter.

00:11:18The Chapin family invited me to their Idaho home.

00:11:23They opened up their photo albums, sharing memories of the son and brother they lost.

00:11:30Was it always just assumed that the three of you would go to the same college?

00:11:35Yeah, pretty much.

00:11:37It would have been tough to split us up, I feel like.

00:11:40We've kind of done everything together, why not do college together?

00:11:50And me and Ethan joined the same fraternity, Sigma Chi.

00:11:54I just kind of followed whatever he did.

00:11:55I knew wherever we went, we were going to have a good time no matter what.

00:12:01I mean, he was kind of the dominant triplet, I would say.

00:12:03He just, he just always had these two in tow.

00:12:08The boys were always together.

00:12:10And we met them and they were immediately funny, like great guys.

00:12:13And we were like, oh, you guys are being our friends.

00:12:16Alrighty, my name is Ethan Chapin.

00:12:19I grew up playing basketball and a lot of sports.

00:12:21We were a pretty athletic family, so a lot of sports, just kind of staying active.

00:12:27And yeah, no questions, just ready to get going.

00:12:35We played every sport together, every time we went in the car it was together,

00:12:39partied together, just everything we did.

00:12:43There was never a dull moment.

00:12:45It always made things interesting and exciting.

00:12:48Whenever there would be a party, we'd be singing country songs.

00:12:52Fall in Love by Bailey Zimmerman.

00:12:54That was one of the first songs that Ethan and I had memorized together.

00:12:58Broken heart, I'm a walking testimony.

00:13:00My confession is a wisdom that I'm pulling out in this song.

00:13:05I appreciated Ethan just for being just a goofball.

00:13:09You know, I mean, he was just funny as all hell.

00:13:12We knew Ethan and Xana liked each other.

00:13:15Me and Emily were like, they're going to be together.

00:13:18I know they like each other.

00:13:20And Xana was like, no, no, no.

00:13:22And then Xana ended up being like, oh, he's cute.

00:13:27Tell me a little bit about watching Ethan and Xana.

00:13:32They were both such similar people.

00:13:34Like, they were both very outgoing and just fun to be around.

00:13:40Anytime they walked in a room, it was just kind of like, everyone would be like, oh, Ethan and Xana.

00:13:43So it was kind of cool just to see them hang around.

00:13:46They always just kind of brought that same energy anywhere they went.

00:13:49It was an energy they also brought into singing a Luke Combs song.

00:13:57Or camping with their friends and spending time with Ethan's family.

00:14:02I liked her from the beginning.

00:14:06I remember one time you told Ethan that you could see him with her or something.

00:14:11Do you remember that?

00:14:12Yeah.

00:14:13I think that clicked for him.

00:14:16It's like my mom likes her.

00:14:17After visiting the triplets in early November, Stacey posts on Instagram, it's November 6th.

00:14:25She writes, best day.

00:14:28And they leave feeling like the kids are starting to find their footing as young adults.

00:14:34It was just an amazing weekend.

00:14:35We had lunch with Xana on Friday.

00:14:38We ate at Mad Greek.

00:14:39Going to the football games and just hanging out with all those kids.

00:14:43You know, it was fun.

00:14:44And we drove away that weekend.

00:14:48We just were like, we've done it.

00:14:51We have three independent, self-sufficient kids.

00:14:57It was an amazing weekend.

00:14:58It was just an amazing weekend.

00:15:03It's just after that weekend on November 7th that according to a post on her sister's Instagram,

00:15:10Xana turns in this English essay.

00:15:12And it talks about having just seen a show with a bunch of her closest friends.

00:15:18And she wrote, it was amazing getting to experience one of my favorite songs with some of my best friends.

00:15:25That is one of the most important things you can do in life.

00:15:29Enjoy the ride, not the destination.

00:15:31She really liked living in the moment.

00:15:35She always wanted to be doing something.

00:15:37And as Xana and her friends are savoring that college life, a student just across the state line is having a very different experience.

00:15:49Koberger started to get a really bad reputation on campus.

00:15:54He was starting to really lose control of his life.

00:15:56What do we know now about the criminology student whose work went beyond the classroom?

00:16:04His eyes really opened up when he's talking about Jeffrey Dahmer or BTK or Ted Bundy.

00:16:10He was starting to really lose control of his life.

00:16:11And they said, it's funny.

00:16:14And it's funny.

00:16:15He's got a good feeling.

00:16:16He's got a good feeling.

00:16:18He's got a good feeling.

00:16:26And he's got a better feeling.

00:16:27I don't know.

00:16:28I don't know.

00:16:29I don't know.

00:16:30But I don't know.

00:16:302,500 miles away from Moscow, Idaho, are the Pocono Mountains in northeastern Pennsylvania.

00:16:58This is a rural community in Pennsylvania.

00:17:01It's really a lot of skiing and resort-type communities.

00:17:06There's approximately 160,000 people living here, so it's a really backcountry sort of

00:17:11place in Pennsylvania.

00:17:13It's also where a young Brian Koberger grew up.

00:17:16He lived in this Monroe County home with his father Michael, a maintenance worker, his

00:17:21mother Mary Ann, who worked in education, and his two older sisters.

00:17:28What kind of household was Brian Koberger raised in?

00:17:31I would call his household an everyday, common household.

00:17:37His parents were extremely involved in his life.

00:17:39I think even over the course of the last three years, he spoke daily with them.

00:17:44Tell me about education for Brian.

00:17:46Brian went to Pleasant Valley School District.

00:17:49It's on the west end of the Poconos.

00:17:51He attended middle school there.

00:17:55He then moved on to the senior high school.

00:17:58What kind of student was he?

00:18:01I'd say, based upon what I've learned about the case, Brian was an average student in middle

00:18:06school, and I think he advanced while he got into high school.

00:18:13On the surface, Brian appeared to have a pretty ordinary childhood, but when you talk to people

00:18:19who knew him, this quiet young man seemed to be struggling socially.

00:18:24Brian was an overweight kid growing up.

00:18:28It's come to light that some people that were on the same bus as him said that people would

00:18:33throw stuff at him because of his weight.

00:18:36They would make fun of him.

00:18:38He had issues being picked on when he was overweight, and as it progressed into high school, he got

00:18:43isolated from his friends that he had at that time.

00:18:47Every information we had was socially awkward, very few relationships, you know, as far as

00:18:55never really had what I would consider to be a girlfriend.

00:19:02I will say though that he was kind of skittish in a way, like he didn't really want to talk

00:19:06to people, not very social.

00:19:09A lot of things changed in his life.

00:19:12He had gone through a transformation.

00:19:14And are you talking about a physical transformation?

00:19:16Both physically, mentally, and I think just generally in life.

00:19:20He was overweight and he had lost a considerable amount of weight heading into maybe his ninth

00:19:25grade or 10th grade year.

00:19:28When he started losing the weight and trimming down, he liked to do boxing or he worked out

00:19:33at the local gym.

00:19:35He had a trainer that he grew very fond of.

00:19:38And was that important in his life?

00:19:39Based upon everything that I've learned, it was very important.

00:19:42It kept him losing the weight, steaming forward, better improving his life.

00:19:52But that newer, thinner, more athletic version, Brian 2.0 if you will, also masked a deeper,

00:20:00much more troubling turn in his life.

00:20:02We know from our investigation into him and we had looked at his past and we know that

00:20:06he had some struggles with drug use earlier in his life.

00:20:11We find a history of an arrest in 2014.

00:20:15So of that history of arrest, we can get police reports.

00:20:19And part of the thing that came out of the police report said that there was a heroin addiction

00:20:23at the time.

00:20:27According to police reports that were reviewed by ABC News, in February of 2014, Brian Koberger

00:20:34had recently exited a rehab center and rejoined his family.

00:20:39And while he's home from rehab, Brian took his sister's iPhone.

00:20:43He called me to come pick him up and he wanted to sell a phone.

00:20:47In July of 2023, I spoke with a former classmate of Koberger's and he says he was unwittingly

00:20:53roped in to help Koberger.

00:20:57At his request, we're only using his first name.

00:21:03So you're saying that you were leaving a party and he called you?

00:21:07Yeah, he called me to come pick him up to go like sell a phone somewhere and I was just

00:21:14like okay.

00:21:15There's documents that ABC, myself included, have seen that show he stole his sister's phone.

00:21:21Oh, I didn't even know all that.

00:21:23So you thought he was trying to sell his own phone?

00:21:25Yeah.

00:21:26And at this time, did you know he had just gotten out of rehab?

00:21:28That I did not know either.

00:21:30Why do you think he was trying to sell that phone?

00:21:33Oh, we were trying to get something with it.

00:21:36That was a goal for sure.

00:21:39His father turned him in because at that point they were kind of at their wit's end for dealing

00:21:43with the substance abuse addiction.

00:21:46Those same police reports, again reviewed by ABC News, confirm that Koberger was charged

00:21:52with misdemeanor theft, but local officials told us that he didn't serve any jail time.

00:21:58And what about the family dynamics at that time?

00:22:00I think the family supported him throughout the entire process.

00:22:06His family would say that they believed him to be sober ever since high school.

00:22:12Obviously that evolution led to him getting higher education, doing better in schooling,

00:22:17focused more on something that he really wanted to do, which was criminology.

00:22:22When he graduated high school, I think he actually got a security job right out of high school

00:22:29working for Pleasant Valley School District.

00:22:33He then transitioned after a year or two, and he did attend Northampton County Community

00:22:37College where his interest in criminology grew.

00:22:40So he goes to Northampton Community College and then from there goes to DeSales.

00:22:45He goes to DeSales University to finish his degree, which this is an individual that appeared

00:22:50to be highly intelligent and turned his life around.

00:22:53According to a pretrial motion that was submitted by defense attorneys, the doctors had recently

00:22:59diagnosed Koberger as being on the autism spectrum, along with OCD, and in the filing, they also

00:23:05state Mr. Koberger has met the criteria for this diagnosis since childhood.

00:23:12Brian's defense team said that he suffered from autism spectrum disorder.

00:23:18Is that something the family thought he also suffered from?

00:23:21I don't know if the family thought that he suffered from a disorder.

00:23:27So what provokes a person who appears to have overcome a difficult adolescence to then murder

00:23:33four people?

00:23:35And how did his life take a turn when Koberger left Pennsylvania to pursue his PhD at Washington

00:23:41State University?

00:23:42The professor said if we give him a PhD, we're going to end up seeing on the news that he's

00:23:48committing some kind of crime.

00:24:03We all probably wish we had a friend like Maddie and Kaylee were to each other.

00:24:09In August of 2022, five young women, including Kaylee Gonsalves and Madison Mogan, all move

00:24:15into a house together.

00:24:17It's just off campus, right here on King Road.

00:24:21Kaylee and Maddie met in sixth grade, and they were always at each other's house or at

00:24:27Kaylee's sister's house.

00:24:30They were more than best friends.

00:24:31They were even more than sisters.

00:24:33They were absolutely each other's everything through thick and thin.

00:24:38So that's Maddie at Christmas when she was just little.

00:24:42She looked so excited.

00:24:45Maddie, Maddie May we called her.

00:24:47She was our first and only child that we ever had.

00:24:53She was such a happy baby.

00:24:55She was just super easy and fun and smart and was just the joy of all of our lives.

00:25:01Maddie's dad Ben and her mom Karen divorced when Maddie was really little.

00:25:07Karen then married Scott Laramie, who raised and loved Maddie as his own.

00:25:12And together they appear in the prime video docu-series, One Night in Idaho, The College Murders.

00:25:18Maddie was Karen's mini me.

00:25:22They looked alike and they acted alike and everything.

00:25:27For a long time she just called me Scotty, you know.

00:25:30And then when she got older, it just made me feel so proud to be called dad.

00:25:37I was a very young mother.

00:25:38I was 22.

00:25:41So I was always so protective of Madison.

00:25:45This beautiful, peaceful little girl.

00:25:49I never let Maddie cry.

00:25:53Like never.

00:26:00Kaylee is the daughter of Steve and Christy Gonzalves.

00:26:04She's the middle child of five kids, including her older sister Olivia.

00:26:08And they grew up together near Coeur d'Alene.

00:26:12I remember the day Kaylee was born.

00:26:14I was about four and a half years older than Kaylee.

00:26:20And you're a big sister, but you also ended up being best friends.

00:26:24What was it like to watch her evolve and become a young woman?

00:26:29It was the best.

00:26:32From the moment Kaylee was born, she was ornery, stubborn, a spitfire.

00:26:39So confident.

00:26:40So sure of herself.

00:26:42There was no timid bone in her body.

00:26:45Kaylee was the middle child and she's your classic middle child syndrome.

00:26:49She tried to be really sweet at first.

00:26:51And when she knew you liked her, then she could be a little bit more herself, which was

00:26:55a little ornery and would do a prank on you or...

00:26:58Kaylee was funny.

00:26:59Kaylee is this bubbly, smiley girl.

00:27:03And Maddie's always been described as just a little bit quieter.

00:27:06Yeah.

00:27:07How did they click?

00:27:09I think that something in Kaylee's soul recognized something in Maddie's and vice versa.

00:27:14And it was never...

00:27:16It was never a question.

00:27:18As quiet as Maddie maybe was when they first met, man, man, she blossomed.

00:27:26And as sharp and bullheaded as Kaylee was, man, she softened.

00:27:33And they complimented each other.

00:27:36You wouldn't see Kaylee without Madison.

00:27:41You wouldn't see Madison without Kaylee.

00:27:43My name is Donna Staub.

00:27:46I'm an English teacher at Lake City High School.

00:27:49And I had Kaylee and Madison in an English class when they were juniors in 2017.

00:27:57So it was probably my second class of the day, if I remember correctly.

00:28:04And these two girls walked in just talking and laughing, life of the party.

00:28:09Her mom made it a point too that she was like, I just want her to have one friend that she

00:28:14can depend on.

00:28:15I don't care about her being super popular.

00:28:17She's just, I just, if this could be the friend, and it just worked out that way.

00:28:24So then when college comes, they were like, we're going to go to college together.

00:28:28During high school, they mentioned it early on, they were going to go off to college together.

00:28:32That was their plan.

00:28:34Living near Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, they were just about 85 miles or so from the University

00:28:38of Idaho campus.

00:28:39It's not until 2022 that Kaylee and Maddie live together.

00:28:46They move into that house on King Road with their friends.

00:28:50Kaylee and Maddie were always at each other's houses.

00:28:53But this was the first time they'd really gotten to live together and be roommates for

00:28:58real.

00:28:59That was definitely just a house where we all got to hang out and feel welcome.

00:29:02And, you know, we would have parties.

00:29:04Everyone who lived there just liked to have a good time.

00:29:06And so they'd always invite people over.

00:29:08That usually turned into some sort of social gathering, maybe a party.

00:29:13Yeah.

00:29:14I mean, it was always people that everyone knew, so everyone could just go there and feel

00:29:20safe.

00:29:21We were college kids.

00:29:22You're still innocent.

00:29:23You're like, nah, nothing's going to happen.

00:29:30And by their senior year, Maddie and Kaylee were looking forward to graduation, starting

00:29:34their next chapter.

00:29:37In mid-November in Moscow, it starts to get really cold.

00:29:40It's getting dark earlier.

00:29:41There's a chill in the air.

00:29:44And soon, the lives of everyone in that house would be forever linked by tragedy.

00:29:53A tragedy no one could have ever imagined.

00:29:56Once the cops showed up and the ambulance arrived, we all were, where's Kaylee and Maddie?

00:30:02Where's Kaylee and Maddie?

00:30:03We were calling them.

00:30:04We were texting them.

00:30:05We were, you know, no answers.

00:30:07What?

00:30:13What?

00:30:18Two, three, four, four.

00:30:23Two, three, four.

00:30:26One, two, three.

00:30:31In May of 2022, 27-year-old Brian Koberger graduates from DeSales University.

00:30:44He's seen in this commencement video getting a master's degree in criminal justice.

00:30:50My name is Josh Ferraro. I knew Brian Koberger from our time at DeSales University.

00:30:55We were paired up for this long project. We were all picking partners and he was someone who was

00:30:59still there. So I said, hey, do you want to be my partner? And yeah, that's how we met.

00:31:05He's like, yeah, you know, my mission is to like be a cop, something I want to do.

00:31:08But he didn't delve too much into his personal life. This guy's a lonely guy, keeping him himself.

00:31:15I invited him to one of my parties one time. He's like, no, I'm good, man. I'm like, all right.

00:31:18The offer is there, but no problem. Like, it's just trying to be nice.

00:31:23One of the classes the two men share as undergrads is psychological sleuthing.

00:31:28And it's taught by the renowned professor of forensic psychology, Dr. Catherine Ramsland.

00:31:34My area of expertise is extreme offenders, serial killers, mass murderers, but primarily serial killers.

00:31:422020 spoke with Dr. Ramsland back in 2019 about her work studying the serial killer known as BTK.

00:31:48I think BTK is a very useful example of somebody who can grow up in a fairly normal childhood and become a serial killer.

00:31:59In that class, you study mass murders, you study serial killers, and she really delves into the psyche of their mind.

00:32:05Brian Koberger was really, really invested in the class. He took really quick notes and he'd ask a lot of questions.

00:32:12His eyes really opened up when he's asking a question or getting to the answer and talking about Jeffrey Dahmer or BTK or Ted Bundy.

00:32:22He was very proud of his intellect.

00:32:25While at DeSales, Koberger conducts a Reddit survey for an academic research project looking to understand the mind of a criminal.

00:32:32He put an online request to speak to convicted criminals to discuss the emotions they were feeling and decision making that they went through when they were committing crimes.

00:32:48How did they choose their victims? All this stuff.

00:32:52In June of 2022, Koberger moves across the country to Pullman, Washington, pursuing a PhD in criminology at Washington State University.

00:33:02The University of Idaho and Washington State University are located just seven miles from each other.

00:33:09The student body, they're constantly traversing to come over to the different areas, whether it be for classes or social.

00:33:15There is definitely a crossover with the two universities. We're all one big community.

00:33:23At 27 years old, Koberger has never lived on his own before.

00:33:27And he moves across the country and lives here in this off-campus apartment complex.

00:33:31He spends the summer exploring the region, taking some of those selfies just released by authorities.

00:33:39And making several trips across the state line into Moscow.

00:33:44His cell phone records would later show that his phone pinged off a tower in that area 23 times in the months before the murders.

00:33:53He even gets pulled over one night in August.

00:33:56Hey there. I stopped you going a little fast.

00:33:59He's accused of speeding on the Pullman-Moscow Highway.

00:34:03Were you wearing your seatbelt when I stopped you?

00:34:05No.

00:34:06No?

00:34:09That's no good.

00:34:12Just being honest with you.

00:34:13Yeah, I appreciate that.

00:34:14Um, you guys are, there's absolutely no point in not being honest.

00:34:21After the officer tells Koberger he's getting a $10 seatbelt citation, Koberger has some questions for the officer.

00:34:29I'm obviously an honest person, right? I told you I wasn't wearing my seatbelt.

00:34:32Uh-huh.

00:34:32When people lie to you about that, say I lied to you about that, right?

00:34:36Mm-hmm.

00:34:36My own knowledge.

00:34:38Mm-hmm.

00:34:38When people honestly go back and look at that?

00:34:40Koberger accepting the citation.

00:34:43All right, have a good night.

00:34:47Tell me what the internship was that Brian Koberger applied for.

00:34:52So it was actually part of WSU's criminal justice PhD program where the student would be embedded in the police department to conduct research.

00:35:02How would you describe how he communicated with you?

00:35:04Um, just awkward. Just a little bit socially inept, perhaps. I didn't feel he could develop rapport and trust with my staff. Didn't really speak in a fluid, conversational manner. And so for those reasons, I didn't think he'd be a good fit for us.

00:35:20But Koberger does get a position as a teaching assistant at the university, which helps pay for his tuition.

00:35:26He was the TA for my criminal justice 420 class, which was criminal procedures. He was a little bit more strict with his grading. He gave several comments of feedback, you know, like saying, oh, well, this is a little bit too broad. This is not descriptive enough. Stuff like that.

00:35:44Brian Koberger was pretty quiet. He didn't really talk too much. He kind of didn't really look at us directly. And he just seemed really kind of awkward.

00:35:52And outside of class, Koberger doesn't appear to be very social. He was a loner.

00:35:59Jared and Heather Barnhart analyzed Koberger's digital life, including his cell phone and computer records for investigators.

00:36:07He had 18 total contacts in his phone. One person was labeled as maintenance and another was AT&T. There were no texts to friends. It was just his parents.

00:36:17He called them mother and father, even through text message. He would say, mother, where is father? Why isn't father answering me? And she would respond, your dad is in the garage, Brian. He's working.

00:36:32It was all mother and father, hours of talking, text messaging.

00:36:36And we found all those selfies.

00:36:40Like very much staged selfies, trying to catch himself in a certain manner.

00:36:46It's not weird that he was taking selfies. The weird part is that he never did something with it. He didn't take a selfie to send it to someone else.

00:36:54As the semester progresses, instructors at WSU start to raise concerns about Koberger's conduct in the program.

00:37:01Koberger started to get a really bad reputation on campus.

00:37:06Sometime in November, I remember the professor saying, hi, so I'm switching some of my TAs. He didn't get any more in-depth.

00:37:15He didn't seem to respect female professors with showing up late to class, having some weird social problems where like he would block doorways when students were trying to talk to him.

00:37:26They felt uncomfortable around him. They felt that he would try to, at times, trap them.

00:37:32And there were lots of allegations that he was bothering girls. And this is especially problematic when there's a power dynamic.

00:37:38There was a common complaint of he's very controlling, that he's manipulative, that he treated women a certain way compared to men.

00:37:48Disrespect just had an odd, strange behavior.

00:37:50The university was on to him. Professors said, we need to cut funding from this guy. If we give him a PhD, he's going to become a professor and we're going to end up seeing on the news that he's stalking women or he's committing some kind of crime.

00:38:05He received an email describing that he was on a performance improvement plan with the university in this role. It was somewhat satisfactory, but there were some problems.

00:38:13WSU did not intend to have him back as a teaching assistant.

00:38:18He was starting to really lose control of his life, kind of spinning out.

00:38:23Away from home, isolated.

00:38:25Koberger is about to turn his PhD work into reality.

00:38:30He goes from a student to a killer.

00:38:33Is it somebody that trains and practices over and over and over and over again?

00:38:37And then at some point, do they feel like they have to execute?

00:38:41Like a sick way of carrying out his thesis.

00:38:57Where's she at? Where's she at?

00:38:59Where at?

00:39:00We're at 34.

00:39:01Hunter Johnson came up to me and I was like, where's Ethan and Xana?

00:39:04And he's like, they're not here anymore.

00:39:07I was like, what do you mean they're not here anymore?

00:39:08And he's like, I think they were murdered last night.

00:39:13He was like, yeah, all four.

00:39:17We were like, what?

00:39:19It doesn't make no sense.

00:39:21Now to the murders of those four college students from the University of Idaho.

00:39:24And now, what happened minute by minute?

00:39:28You go into Xana's room.

00:39:30What did you see?

00:39:31Stabbing is close, personal, long term.

00:39:36You've got to be committed.

00:39:39The number of times that Kaylee was stabbed.

00:39:42There's no sugarcoating it.

00:39:44The first person to find them.

00:39:46As soon as you get there, you know something's wrong.

00:39:48And a survivor who saw the killer in the house.

00:39:53The third time she opens her door, she sees a male figure.

00:39:57I just shut the door and locked it.

00:39:59I said he knew what to do.

00:40:01Now, just released inside his home and his mind.

00:40:06He was on a website called Serial Killer Timelines.

00:40:10And he just went down this list and clicked one after another after another.

00:40:14And the police body camera from the crime scene.

00:40:17I think we have a homicide.

00:40:18Secure the outside first.

00:40:20He made an absolutely critical mistake.

00:40:23What was the target?

00:40:40Just over the hill is the University of Idaho campus.

00:40:44This is Greek Row, the Sigma Chi house right there.

00:40:48And as you cross the street, you enter that off-campus housing.

00:40:51And this area in particular is really popular.

00:40:54Students sort of pass down the houses from generation to generation.

00:40:57And in August of 2022, this is where five young girls moved in together.

00:41:03They're full of optimism, excited about life.

00:41:06And they're posting videos showing all of it online.

00:41:09And I wake up at night.

00:41:10I see your name on my phone.

00:41:12It's the moments when I think that I'm better at home.

00:41:16We just called it the older girls' house.

00:41:20Maddie stayed there.

00:41:22And then Kaylee moved there.

00:41:24And then Zanna moved there.

00:41:26And then Bethany Dillon moved there.

00:41:28And the sixth housemate was Kaylee's golden doodle.

00:41:32His name was Murphy.

00:41:33She was really excited to have the house dog, is what she called it.

00:41:38It's everything I like to do with my dog.

00:41:41The King Road house is a three-story white house right in the middle of Party Central.

00:41:48The house is three levels.

00:41:50It has six bedrooms, two on each floor.

00:41:54Bethany's bedroom is on the first floor.

00:41:57Zanna and Dillon's bedrooms are on the second floor, along with the kitchen and the sliding glass door leading out to the porch.

00:42:05It was always friends of Ethan that would go over, friends of Zanna, friends of Kaylee and Maddie.

00:42:21There was never anybody who shouldn't have been there.

00:42:25People didn't really have any interest in going into houses where they didn't know anybody.

00:42:30It was a party neighborhood.

00:42:32Just in the sense that, like, you walked over to that area on Friday and Saturday nights,

00:42:37listening for where people might be at, and then you see someone you know, you wander over.

00:42:47It's Saturday, November 12th.

00:42:50It's the last home game for the University of Idaho Vandals.

00:42:53Celebration is in the air.

00:42:54Students start tailgating early.

00:42:58We had a lot of pregames before the football games.

00:43:01If the game was early, we would try and wake up early.

00:43:05Zanna would usually be FaceTiming me, trying to wake me up, be like, hurry up, like, let's go.

00:43:09I had gotten texts from Ethan being like, why aren't you here yet?

00:43:12So I was like, okay, I won't keep you waiting any longer.

00:43:16The house on King, it was the cutest place to take pictures.

00:43:20Like, you could go on the third floor patio.

00:43:22That patio was the scene of so many happy moments.

00:43:28Maddie's mom, Karen Laramie, shared those moments in the Prime Video docu-series,

00:43:33one night in Idaho, the college murderers.

00:43:37Kaylee texted me with the picture of Maddie on her shoulders.

00:43:41Just loving this amazing happy moment.

00:43:45I called Maddie, and she put me on FaceTime.

00:43:48And then I was having a conversation with all of them.

00:43:51Kaylee Gonzalez posted this last photo to Instagram, writing,

00:43:56one lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day.

00:44:02We were with our whole friend group, which was a normal weekend for us, just hanging out with our friends.

00:44:08And then from there, we all kind of split off.

00:44:10And we were like, bye, I love you.

00:44:13Gave each other a hug.

00:44:15The triplets, they went to Maisie's formal.

00:44:17I think Xana just waited for Ethan, probably.

00:44:21Ethan spent the beginning part of that night at the Betty's Ball with his sister.

00:44:25From there, he left with me back to Sigma Chi.

00:44:28The party continued after the formal.

00:44:32And Ethan really wanted you to come party.

00:44:35So he started off by texting me.

00:44:37I think he said, dog, come hang out.

00:44:39We all want you here.

00:44:40And it was like spam texting me.

00:44:42And I said, I'm going to bed, I think.

00:44:44It was like nine.

00:44:45Or I'm not going to go.

00:44:47And then he said, love you.

00:44:49And I didn't even respond to that.

00:44:51I think I was asleep by then.

00:44:53And the I love you kind of stood out, though.

00:44:56Well, yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:44:59Because you didn't just normally text that to each other.

00:45:03Yeah.

00:45:07After the game, Kaylee and Maddie head down to the corner club.

00:45:12It's a big hangout for college students.

00:45:15They're having some drinks, hanging out with friends.

00:45:18And then they decide they need a snack, so they head downtown.

00:45:21And they order mac and cheese from the grub truck.

00:45:26We live in this world right now where there are cameras everywhere.

00:45:32So we know that Kaylee and Maddie were at the food truck around 1.30 in the morning.

00:45:37Maddie was running around in that huge jacket, hugging people.

00:45:41Kaylee was just on her phone, just laughing at Maddie.

00:45:45And she was just smiling.

00:45:47She was, they were happy.

00:45:49They were so happy.

00:45:49Maddie and Kaylee get a ride back to the King Road house using a rideshare.

00:45:55And by 2 a.m., everyone's home.

00:45:58They're settling in for the night.

00:46:00It's like a sleepover.

00:46:01Kaylee sleeps in Maddie's bed, just like they've done since they were kids.

00:46:06But Zanna stays up.

00:46:09Zanna orders DoorDash.

00:46:11And it gets delivered to the King Road house a little after 4 a.m.

00:46:14She takes it up to the kitchen, puts some of her food onto a plate, and she's eating that in her bedroom.

00:46:22She's on social media, the latest of 4.12 and just shortly after that.

00:46:26Everything seemed so normal in that home on King Road.

00:46:33But by the next morning, nothing would ever be the same.

00:46:38Emily got a call from Dylan around 11-ish.

00:46:43That's when I felt like I needed to go over.

00:46:47And then what happened next?

00:46:49I went into the house.

00:46:53Can I not know a location of your emergency?

00:46:55Hi, something is happening to her.

00:46:58Something happened to her house.

00:46:59We don't know what.

00:47:01We were in complete panic.

00:47:02It's, this is, this is real.

00:47:17By 2 a.m., all the roommates are back home and settling in for the night.

00:47:21Police say around 3 a.m., shortly after leaving his apartment and heading towards Moscow, Brian Koberger turns his cell phone off.

00:47:31We can see Koberger's car on footage captured by a surveillance camera that was at the neighbor's house.

00:47:41He keeps circling the area.

00:47:43He's making multiple passes at the house.

00:47:46We believe that Brian Koberger entered the house sometime shortly after his last scene on the video.

00:47:57Somewhere probably around 4, 10 a.m.

00:47:59Police say Koberger entered through a sliding glass door in the back of the house.

00:48:05Investigators believe Zanna was in her room with her boyfriend, Ethan, asleep in her bed.

00:48:10Dylan's across the hall.

00:48:11Bethany downstairs.

00:48:13And on the third floor, Kaylee and Maddie had fallen asleep together in Maddie's room.

00:48:18Zanna was up.

00:48:22We see activity from her watch of just steps that were taken.

00:48:26We know that she's eating.

00:48:28She's on social media at 4, 12, and just shortly after that.

00:48:31After entering the house, investigators believe Koberger walked through the kitchen and went upstairs to the third floor,

00:48:38where he found Kaylee and Maddie together asleep.

00:48:41Kaylee and Maddie were both killed very quickly, but they were stabbed repeatedly many times.

00:48:53Stabbing is close, personal, long-term, violent action.

00:49:00You've got to be committed to do a homicide.

00:49:05What investigators think happened is that Zanna heard the commotion.

00:49:12At some point, Zanna comes, we believe, up the stairs.

00:49:17Brian Koberger either hears something or he hears the stairs.

00:49:21Something alerts him and takes him away from what he's doing in that bedroom.

00:49:28Investigators say Zanna turned and ran and that Koberger followed,

00:49:33chasing her downstairs to her bedroom.

00:49:37Zanna, after that initial contact in the doorway, she's fighting him.

00:49:42We know that because she has defensive wounds all over herself.

00:49:45She fought like hell.

00:49:47And we think at that point, he realizes that there's a fourth person,

00:49:51and that's Ethan that's in the bed.

00:49:53So he reaches over and stabs Ethan.

00:49:57It killed Ethan instantly.

00:49:58He continues to fight with Zanna and ends up on the floor,

00:50:02where ultimately he does finally kill her.

00:50:06At 4.17 a.m., less than 10 minutes after investigators believe Brian Koberger entered the house,

00:50:13the neighbor's surveillance camera captures what police describe as a loud thud,

00:50:17the sound of a whimper, and a dog barking.

00:50:20That camera is just about 50 feet from Zanna's bedroom.

00:50:29In Zanna's room, some things were pushed around, were moved around,

00:50:32and I think that's something that you're probably hearing on the video.

00:50:36Because she was fighting.

00:50:37Right.

00:50:39After Koberger walks out of Zanna's room,

00:50:42he then comes face to face with another one of her roommates.

00:50:46It's Dylan.

00:50:46Dylan was awakened by just some type of noises.

00:50:53Initially, she thought it was the dog, Murphy.

00:50:57Then she thought she heard a male voice say,

00:51:00I'm here to help you.

00:51:02We believe that is Brian Koberger saying that to Zanna.

00:51:06He's doing something to try to calm her,

00:51:08to make her relax of who he is and why he's in this residence.

00:51:12Dylan, as she had overheard multiple things throughout this time period,

00:51:18she had opened her door a couple different times.

00:51:22The third time she opens her door, she sees a male figure.

00:51:27The description was a thin, tall individual wearing a mask,

00:51:31almost described as a basketball player, physique, and bushy eyebrows.

00:51:36She momentarily saw him.

00:51:41And then he turned and he left the residence.

00:51:44He knows people were awake,

00:51:45probably believing at some point somebody called the police.

00:51:49I've got to get out of here.

00:51:50The fight with Zanna could have just wiped him.

00:51:55We'll never know what made him pass that door up and head out.

00:52:02After that, Dylan is terrified.

00:52:04She starts texting Bethany, her roommate.

00:52:06Did you hear that?

00:52:07I'm trying to call the other roommates.

00:52:09They're not answering.

00:52:11You've got somebody who had been drinking,

00:52:14was in and out of slumber,

00:52:16and somebody walks through in the middle of the night

00:52:19and still wonders in her own mind,

00:52:23did she see it or did she dream it?

00:52:26She makes a mad dash for Bethany's room

00:52:29and decides to run downstairs

00:52:30and spend the rest of the night with Bethany.

00:52:36As night turns into day,

00:52:38everything in Moscow is still quiet.

00:52:42But investigators say that Brian Koberger is awake

00:52:46he's active.

00:52:47That includes spending more than an hour and a half

00:52:50on the phone with his mom

00:52:51and posing for a selfie, giving a thumbs up.

00:52:56Police say just after 9 a.m.,

00:52:59Koberger is on the move

00:53:00and he's headed back to 1122 King Road.

00:53:04He's not seen anything on the news.

00:53:06I think he certainly would expect

00:53:08this is going to be everywhere immediately.

00:53:11So I think that his curiosity

00:53:13has absolutely gotten to him.

00:53:15And so he goes back to the area

00:53:18but for all of his training,

00:53:20for all of his things that he's studied,

00:53:23crime scene and serial killers,

00:53:26PhD program for criminology,

00:53:28he made an absolutely critical mistake

00:53:31in that house that night.

00:53:33I woke up in the morning.

00:53:50It was kind of like chill Sunday.

00:53:53Emily and Hunter came

00:53:55and were hanging out in my bed with me.

00:53:57And then Dylan called Emily

00:54:01and asked us all to come over.

00:54:06I could overhear what was going on.

00:54:08She sounded freaked out.

00:54:10I just had a gut feeling

00:54:11and something in me told me

00:54:13that I need to just go.

00:54:16As soon as you get there,

00:54:19you know something's wrong.

00:54:23I walked just right in the door

00:54:26and Hunter already went up.

00:54:30And then he was like,

00:54:31OK, you, everybody get out.

00:54:34Hunter finds Zanna and Ethan murdered.

00:54:37But he decides to shield his friends

00:54:40from that reality.

00:54:41And he tells them only

00:54:42that someone inside is unconscious

00:54:44and to call 911.

00:54:46911 location of your emergency.

00:54:48Hi, something is happening.

00:54:50Something's happening in our house.

00:54:52We don't know what.

00:54:54Dispatching Moscow law ambulance

00:54:56for unconsciousness.

00:54:581122 King Road.

00:55:02Where's she at?

00:55:03Where's she at?

00:55:08Where at?

00:55:09Up here?

00:55:10Up here.

00:55:10I don't think any of us

00:55:18were prepared for

00:55:19that it's four young,

00:55:21completely innocent kids.

00:55:23Russell, please stop it.

00:55:25Two college-age people

00:55:27appearing both to be deceased.

00:55:30Lots of blood.

00:55:31Please stop it.

00:55:31We're on third floor.

00:55:32We have two additional deceased

00:55:36on the third floor.

00:55:38Secure the outside first.

00:55:39I'll do it in the front door.

00:55:40There's a back entry.

00:55:41I was going to start

00:55:41taping it all off.

00:55:43Okay.

00:55:44Here.

00:55:45Can you guys go over

00:55:47to the dumpster for me, please?

00:55:50We were just placed on the street

00:55:52to sit down and wait.

00:55:55We were all cold.

00:55:57We were all scared.

00:55:58Our brains just started

00:55:59to continue to spiral.

00:56:02I kept calling her name

00:56:02if she wouldn't answer

00:56:03and I saw the guy.

00:56:04Outside, police speak to Dylan.

00:56:10She's distraught.

00:56:12She's the roommate

00:56:13who told police

00:56:14she saw a masked man

00:56:16in the house that night.

00:56:17Describe the guy

00:56:17that you saw.

00:56:18He's a little bit taller than me.

00:56:21I'm almost positive.

00:56:23He's wearing a full black outfit

00:56:25and he had this mask

00:56:27that was just over his forehead

00:56:28and over his mouth

00:56:30and he didn't say anything to me

00:56:31like at all.

00:56:32I just shut the door

00:56:33and locked it

00:56:34because I didn't know what to do.

00:56:36And I think he went out

00:56:37like the side door,

00:56:38the sliding door in the kitchen

00:56:39that goes out to the backyard.

00:56:40When we got there,

00:56:46that sliding glass door

00:56:47was left halfway open.

00:56:51You go into Zanna's room.

00:56:52What did you see?

00:56:53Zanna was there.

00:56:57She was laying on the floor

00:56:58and Ethan was on the bed.

00:57:00I got woken up by my friend.

00:57:11We'd partied pretty hard

00:57:12the night before.

00:57:13He's like,

00:57:13there's a ton of cops

00:57:14over at Zanna's house.

00:57:17I walked over there.

00:57:18I didn't see Ethan outside

00:57:19so I figured he was inside

00:57:21helping whoever needed

00:57:22to be helped.

00:57:26Hunter Johnson came up to me

00:57:29and I was like,

00:57:30where's Ethan and Zanna?

00:57:30And he's like,

00:57:31they're not here anymore.

00:57:33I was like,

00:57:34what do you mean

00:57:34they're not here anymore?

00:57:35He's like,

00:57:35I think they were murdered

00:57:37last night.

00:57:42And you're

00:57:43at the grocery store?

00:57:44I was at the grocery store.

00:57:46And I was talking to a friend.

00:57:50Fine.

00:57:50It's okay.

00:57:52And my phone kept ringing

00:57:54and it was Hunter

00:57:56on the other end.

00:57:59And he just,

00:58:00said he's not here

00:58:01and he kept repeating it.

00:58:03And so I was like,

00:58:04we'll go get him,

00:58:05go find him.

00:58:06And he just kept saying it

00:58:07and he goes,

00:58:07no mom,

00:58:08you don't understand.

00:58:09Ethan and Zanna

00:58:09are not on this earth anymore.

00:58:12I just was like,

00:58:15there's just no way.

00:58:16And I drove down the road

00:58:22and called Jim

00:58:23and, you know,

00:58:24it makes it real

00:58:25when you have to repeat it.

00:58:28Right.

00:58:29It drives me

00:58:30crazy

00:58:31because I've always

00:58:32wanted to protect my family.

00:58:35And there's really

00:58:36nothing there

00:58:36that I could have done.

00:58:38Instantly,

00:58:40he was taken.

00:58:42We still didn't know

00:58:49where Kaylee and Maddie were.

00:58:52We didn't know

00:58:53where Murphy was.

00:58:55And then

00:58:56U of I

00:58:57sent the homicide text.

00:59:00Throughout the day,

00:59:01the University of Idaho

00:59:02sent campus-wide text messages

00:59:04with updates

00:59:05on the investigation

00:59:06about a homicide

00:59:07and an unknown suspect.

00:59:09But at 5.17 p.m.,

00:59:12students get a text message

00:59:13that says,

00:59:14for the first time,

00:59:15four people

00:59:16had been killed.

00:59:18That was the moment

00:59:19that we knew

00:59:19where Kaylee and Maddie were.

00:59:26What time do you think

00:59:27he's all asleep?

00:59:29The two surviving roommates,

00:59:31Dylan and Bethany,

00:59:32have received a lot

00:59:33of criticism

00:59:34for not calling 911

00:59:36immediately

00:59:36on the night

00:59:37of the murders.

00:59:38But they both

00:59:39told police

00:59:40they weren't certain

00:59:42that what Dylan

00:59:43thought she saw

00:59:44was real.

00:59:45I told her,

00:59:46I need to come

00:59:46to your room

00:59:47because she was

00:59:48the only one

00:59:48that was answering me.

00:59:49So I just ran down there

00:59:50and for a second

00:59:51I stopped

00:59:52and I saw Zana

00:59:53passed out

00:59:54and I thought

00:59:54maybe she was

00:59:55just sleeping or something.

00:59:56I didn't think anything

00:59:57because I was so out of it

00:59:58and we just fell asleep

00:59:59and then we woke up

01:00:00this morning

01:00:00and no one was answering.

01:00:02We understand

01:00:03the disbelief

01:00:03that she's going through,

01:00:05what 19-year-old kid

01:00:07is going to come up with

01:00:08and assume

01:00:09what actually happened

01:00:11was happening.

01:00:13Investigators now know

01:00:15they're a few hours

01:00:16behind the killer

01:00:17but as they walk

01:00:18into Maddie's

01:00:19third floor bedroom,

01:00:20police get their

01:00:21first big break.

01:00:23The comforter's over,

01:00:25the girls take

01:00:26the comforter off.

01:00:27Lo and behold,

01:00:28there's a knife sheath

01:00:29laying right there.

01:00:30They find a sheath

01:00:32for a K-bar-style knife.

01:00:35There's no murder weapon

01:00:36but the sheath is there.

01:00:39That was definitely

01:00:40the first aha moment.

01:00:42We have something

01:00:43in this house

01:00:43from a joke.

01:00:44Four murdered students.

01:00:58A panicked campus.

01:01:01And now the world's eyes

01:01:03on Moscow, Idaho.

01:01:04Now to the murders

01:01:05of those four college students

01:01:06from the University of Idaho.

01:01:08As investigators

01:01:11try to figure out

01:01:11what happened

01:01:12in that house

01:01:13on King Road.

01:01:14We've told the public

01:01:15very clearly

01:01:16from the beginning

01:01:17that we believe

01:01:17it was a targeted attack.

01:01:20They said,

01:01:21oh this was a targeted attack

01:01:22nothing to worry about.

01:01:23And my first question was

01:01:24but you don't have anybody.

01:01:28That means there's

01:01:29somebody still out there.

01:01:32How could we not worry?

01:01:34We don't want to put

01:01:38our investigation

01:01:39in jeopardy

01:01:40by releasing what we have.

01:01:43The investigation

01:01:44grew massively.

01:01:46We were trying to get

01:01:47every piece of video footage

01:01:49from that day

01:01:50from every surveillance camera

01:01:51in town

01:01:51captured from that night.

01:01:56Right across the street

01:01:57from Zanna's bedroom

01:01:58is a house.

01:01:59They have surveillance footage

01:02:00of a white Hyundai Elantra

01:02:02circling the house

01:02:03in the early morning hours

01:02:04of November 13th.

01:02:08We quickly realized

01:02:09that we had

01:02:10this white vehicle

01:02:11during this time

01:02:12leaving at a very fast

01:02:14high rate of speed.

01:02:17You can see

01:02:17it is burning out

01:02:18of that neighborhood.

01:02:20So we believed

01:02:22at that point

01:02:23this was the vehicle

01:02:24of our subject.

01:02:27So we narrowed it down

01:02:28to a 2011 to 2016 Elantra.

01:02:31Believe it or not

01:02:32when we ran

01:02:33Idaho registrations

01:02:35and just looking local

01:02:36we had over 25,000.

01:02:37The search to track down

01:02:38that car has no limits.

01:02:40We are just wanting

01:02:41to talk to the individuals

01:02:42who are in that vehicle.

01:02:46Investigators also

01:02:47have a crucial piece

01:02:48of evidence

01:02:49found at the crime scene

01:02:50left behind

01:02:51by the killer.

01:02:53A sheath

01:02:54for a K-Bar knife.

01:02:56This knife sheath

01:02:57was found

01:02:57under Maddie's

01:02:59body in the bed.

01:03:01Immediately it stood out

01:03:03because it was

01:03:03in stark contrast

01:03:04to the entire house.

01:03:07About four days in

01:03:09the lab came back

01:03:10and said

01:03:10they had a sole source

01:03:11male DNA

01:03:12found on the button

01:03:13of the knife sheath.

01:03:14But there was no

01:03:15matches in CODIS

01:03:17for that DNA.

01:03:19Once we know

01:03:20we had the DNA

01:03:21from the sheath

01:03:22then we flew that

01:03:24to Othrum

01:03:24and then they started

01:03:26to develop

01:03:26and work their part of it.

01:03:29Othrum is a company

01:03:30in which we build

01:03:31technology to basically

01:03:32bring certainty

01:03:33to investigations.

01:03:36Forensic genetic genealogy

01:03:37is a tool

01:03:39that we use

01:03:39to identify someone

01:03:41or find

01:03:42the nearest relative.

01:03:45So I got a call

01:03:47and I was asked

01:03:49what is the fastest

01:03:50that we could produce

01:03:51a result.

01:03:52Kristen was adamant

01:03:55that we get

01:03:55these folks' answers.

01:03:57I can't imagine

01:03:58that being my child

01:04:00and knowing that

01:04:02there's someone out there

01:04:04that could help.

01:04:05We have to help.

01:04:06How fast can we get

01:04:07this DNA?

01:04:09It was a sergeant

01:04:10from the Moscow

01:04:11Police Department

01:04:11who got on a plane

01:04:12in Boise

01:04:13and they flew directly

01:04:16to Texas

01:04:17and hand-delivered it

01:04:18to Othrum.

01:04:20They brought us down

01:04:22a tube of DNA

01:04:23that was remaining

01:04:24from that knife sheath.

01:04:27That DNA extract

01:04:28contained a lot of DNA.

01:04:30It was not a trace

01:04:31amount of DNA.

01:04:31It was 500 times

01:04:33more DNA

01:04:33than we generally

01:04:34see in our low-quantity

01:04:36DNA cases.

01:04:38The technology

01:04:39at Othrum

01:04:40is then able

01:04:40to build a profile

01:04:41that's uploaded

01:04:42to genealogy databases

01:04:44which searched

01:04:45for people

01:04:45who are connected

01:04:46to that unknown DNA.

01:04:48In this particular case

01:04:50there was a unique

01:04:51biogeographical ancestry

01:04:52that allowed us

01:04:54to kind of narrow

01:04:54the search

01:04:55even early on

01:04:56and what we found

01:04:57is that there was

01:04:58a multi-generational

01:04:59American family

01:05:00based in Pennsylvania

01:05:02genetic relatives

01:05:03that were related

01:05:04to the person

01:05:05we were looking for.

01:05:07While there's

01:05:07a massive

01:05:08multi-faceted investigation

01:05:09working to find him

01:05:11Ryan Koberger

01:05:12leaves Washington

01:05:13and heads home

01:05:14to Pennsylvania

01:05:14for winter break.

01:05:16He drives across

01:05:17the country

01:05:17with his father

01:05:18in that white

01:05:19Hyundai Elantra.

01:05:20Hello.

01:05:21How you doing?

01:05:22How y'all doing today?

01:05:24So it's a long trip

01:05:25from Moscow, Idaho

01:05:26all the way

01:05:27to Pennsylvania.

01:05:28Koberger's pulled over

01:05:29twice during this time.

01:05:31Right up on the back

01:05:32end of that van

01:05:33pulled you over

01:05:34for tailgating.

01:05:35So y'all work

01:05:35at the university there?

01:05:37I actually do work there.

01:05:38And he's pulled over

01:05:39for following a vehicle

01:05:41too closely

01:05:41both times.

01:05:44By the time

01:05:45the Koberger's arrived

01:05:46back in Pennsylvania

01:05:47the FBI had taken over

01:05:49that genetic genealogy

01:05:50search from Othram

01:05:51and just over a month

01:05:53after the murders

01:05:54investigators

01:05:55get a name.

01:05:57On December 19th

01:05:58the investigative

01:05:59genealogy team leader

01:06:00calls in and he says

01:06:01hey Darren

01:06:01he goes I have a first

01:06:02name for you.

01:06:03It's Brian.

01:06:04And he goes hey

01:06:04we also have a last

01:06:05name for you.

01:06:06Koberger.

01:06:07And he drives a white

01:06:07Hyundai Elantra.

01:06:08Once we had his name

01:06:12at that point

01:06:13immediately we knew

01:06:14that he was in

01:06:14Pennsylvania.

01:06:15When did the

01:06:16surveillance on him

01:06:16start?

01:06:18Immediately.

01:06:20He only left the house

01:06:22three times

01:06:22and he was noticed

01:06:24to be wearing rubber

01:06:25gloves all the times

01:06:26he had left the house.

01:06:28They need a way

01:06:30to test that DNA

01:06:31so they pull the trash.

01:06:33The agent on scene

01:06:36had made contact

01:06:37with the trash company

01:06:39to be able to ride

01:06:40the truck

01:06:41to collect the trash.

01:06:44They sort anything

01:06:45that could contain DNA.

01:06:47They found an item

01:06:48in the trash

01:06:48that had male DNA

01:06:49that comes back

01:06:50and says

01:06:51we have DNA

01:06:52in this trash

01:06:53that is the father

01:06:53of the DNA left

01:06:55on the knife sheet.

01:06:56Once we had

01:06:57the DNA paternity match

01:06:59from the trash pole.

01:07:01From a Q-tip

01:07:01specifically.

01:07:02Yeah.

01:07:02We knew at that point

01:07:04that we had the person

01:07:06whose DNA

01:07:07was on that sheath.

01:07:08At that point

01:07:09you have

01:07:10what you need

01:07:11to get an arrest warrant

01:07:12for Brian Koberger.

01:07:14And news of an arrest

01:07:15spreads fast.

01:07:17The big story

01:07:18on Action News

01:07:18tonight is a major break

01:07:20in the murder

01:07:20of four Idaho

01:07:21college students.

01:07:22People in this

01:07:23sleepy Poconos community

01:07:25are stunned.

01:07:27We got live feed.

01:07:29We saw the

01:07:31armored vehicles

01:07:31roll in

01:07:32then make entry

01:07:33and we get the

01:07:34call out in custody.

01:07:44And we want to get

01:07:45right to our breaking

01:07:46news as we come

01:07:47on the air.

01:07:47The arrest

01:07:48of a 28-year-old man

01:07:49in Pennsylvania

01:07:50in connection

01:07:51with the brutal murders

01:07:52of four University

01:07:53of Idaho students.

01:07:55Nearly seven weeks

01:07:56after the brutal murders

01:07:57an arrest

01:07:58is finally made.

01:08:00Pennsylvania State Police

01:08:02make that arrest.

01:08:03We've got live feed

01:08:04coming from the helicopter

01:08:05from Pennsylvania State Police.

01:08:07We're getting constantly

01:08:08updated on what's going on

01:08:09telling us, yes,

01:08:10they've got Brian

01:08:11in the house.

01:08:12We saw the armored

01:08:13vehicles roll in

01:08:14then make entry

01:08:15and we get the call out

01:08:17in custody.

01:08:18Detectives arrested

01:08:1928-year-old Brian

01:08:21Christopher Koberger

01:08:23in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.

01:08:26Koberger faces

01:08:27four counts

01:08:28of first-degree murder

01:08:29and one count

01:08:30of felony burglary.

01:08:38Authorities have not revealed

01:08:39a possible motive just yet.

01:08:41People in this sleepy

01:08:42Poconos community

01:08:43are stunned

01:08:44that one of their own

01:08:45has been arrested

01:08:46in connection

01:08:46with this grisly crime.

01:08:48Agents from the Scranton

01:08:49office of the FBI

01:08:51and after the arrest

01:08:52interviewed Brian's parents.

01:08:54They were, you know,

01:08:55aghast.

01:08:56We do know

01:08:57there was conversation

01:09:00among the family

01:09:01about, hey,

01:09:02Brian does drive

01:09:03a car like that.

01:09:04Brian, do you think,

01:09:05you know,

01:09:05and it was immediately

01:09:07quashed.

01:09:09There's no way

01:09:09Brian could do this.

01:09:10No way.

01:09:10Nobody can comprehend

01:09:12that their child

01:09:14is capable

01:09:15of something like this.

01:09:17What was his reaction

01:09:19to the national media

01:09:21attention?

01:09:22He was very surprised,

01:09:23actually.

01:09:24He didn't realize

01:09:26that it would garner

01:09:27national media news,

01:09:29I would say.

01:09:29Really?

01:09:30Yeah, it actually was.

01:09:31It was surprising

01:09:32because he inquired

01:09:34as to which outlets

01:09:37were actually circling.

01:09:41Police department,

01:09:42search warrant,

01:09:43come to the door.

01:09:44After the arrest,

01:09:45police in Washington

01:09:46searched Koberger's apartment

01:09:47and in these

01:09:48just-released photos,

01:09:49you can see

01:09:50the Spartan place

01:09:51he left behind.

01:09:53One of the few

01:09:53personal items

01:09:55they found

01:09:55is a birthday card

01:09:56from his parents.

01:09:59He was taken back

01:10:02to the Pennsylvania

01:10:03State Police Barrett

01:10:04immediately upon

01:10:05being arrested

01:10:06and had given

01:10:07what turned out

01:10:08to be about

01:10:08a two-and-a-half,

01:10:09three-hour statement.

01:10:10It was a significantly

01:10:11long time

01:10:12that he interviewed

01:10:13until he asked

01:10:13for an attorney.

01:10:14What did he tell you

01:10:15about that interview?

01:10:17He was very limited.

01:10:18I didn't want to know

01:10:19a lot about the case

01:10:21because he was going

01:10:23to have an attorney

01:10:24that would represent him

01:10:25on the murder charges.

01:10:27I want to make sure

01:10:28he's aware of how

01:10:29the process is going

01:10:30to play out.

01:10:31I want to make sure

01:10:31he understands

01:10:32that the death penalty

01:10:33may be considered

01:10:34in the case.

01:10:35You thought right away

01:10:36it would be a death penalty case?

01:10:37Oh, absolutely.

01:10:38I had zero doubt.

01:10:42Brian Koberger

01:10:43agreed to be extradited

01:10:44and he was flown

01:10:45across the country

01:10:46to the Moscow Pullman Airport

01:10:47and then brought here

01:10:48to the Latak County Jail

01:10:49to face murder charges

01:10:51while the world

01:10:52watched on.

01:10:54When they brought him

01:10:55off the plane,

01:10:56people were like,

01:10:57we got him.

01:10:58Thank God

01:10:59he wasn't a local.

01:11:01He wasn't one of us.

01:11:03Koberger's attorneys

01:11:04enter a not guilty plea

01:11:05for him,

01:11:06insisting that he's innocent.

01:11:08But prosecutors decide

01:11:09to pursue the death penalty.

01:11:12And as they prepare

01:11:12for trial,

01:11:13they dig into every part

01:11:15of Koberger's life,

01:11:16particularly his digital life,

01:11:19sifting through his

01:11:19Amazon purchase history

01:11:20that showed

01:11:21he bought a K-bar knife

01:11:23and sharpener

01:11:24back in Pennsylvania.

01:11:26And they look at his cell phone

01:11:27and computer searches

01:11:29right up until the days

01:11:31before his arrest.

01:11:33On Christmas night,

01:11:34the 11 o'clock hour

01:11:35heading into

01:11:36the very early morning

01:11:37of the 26th,

01:11:38he was on a rudimentary

01:11:40website called

01:11:42Serial Killer Timelines.

01:11:43Just a list of

01:11:44hyperlinked names.

01:11:45And he just went down

01:11:46this list and clicked

01:11:47one after another

01:11:49after another

01:11:49for like two hours.

01:11:53December 27th,

01:11:55there's some sort of

01:11:56a show that he watched.

01:11:58It's a YouTube

01:11:59and it's Ted Bundy

01:12:00sort of standing

01:12:02facing forward

01:12:03with a hood

01:12:04pulled up

01:12:05and over the front

01:12:06and on 12-29,

01:12:07just two days later,

01:12:08he's taking a picture

01:12:08of himself

01:12:09looking like Ted Bundy.

01:12:13And although investigators

01:12:14weren't able

01:12:15to make a direct link

01:12:16between Brian Koberger

01:12:18and any of the victims,

01:12:19those digital forensic experts

01:12:21did find something

01:12:22interesting

01:12:23on his phone.

01:12:24The FBI gave us

01:12:26keywords and said,

01:12:26okay, search for these things.

01:12:28We needed victim names.

01:12:29We needed,

01:12:30what did they call

01:12:31their Wi-Fi?

01:12:32So all these things,

01:12:33we searched for it.

01:12:34And I remember saying

01:12:34to Jared,

01:12:35I have a hit for Mad Greek.

01:12:36Remember,

01:12:37Mad Greek is that

01:12:38Moscow restaurant

01:12:39where Maddie and Xana

01:12:40both worked.

01:12:41This search for Mad Greek,

01:12:43however he arrived at it,

01:12:45was done through

01:12:46the Google Maps app.

01:12:48What we can say

01:12:49is that Mad Greek

01:12:50was presented to him

01:12:51on his phone.

01:12:53It doesn't necessarily

01:12:53draw a hard line

01:12:54to these victims.

01:12:56Now to the sudden

01:12:59and stunning turn

01:13:00in the Idaho College

01:13:01murders case.

01:13:02After insisting

01:13:03his innocence

01:13:03for nearly three years,

01:13:05defendant Brian Koberger

01:13:06today pleading guilty

01:13:08to fatally stabbing

01:13:09four students.

01:13:10Koberger had maintained

01:13:11his innocence

01:13:12the entire time,

01:13:13but he decided

01:13:13to change his plea

01:13:14from innocent

01:13:16to guilty.

01:13:17That was huge.

01:13:19And as part

01:13:19of that plea deal,

01:13:20prosecutors agree

01:13:21to take the death penalty

01:13:23off the table.

01:13:24We got what we wanted,

01:13:25and we got what the law.

01:13:27When you say

01:13:28we got what we wanted,

01:13:29though,

01:13:30that we does not include

01:13:32all of the victims' families.

01:13:33There are victims' families

01:13:34that have been very public

01:13:36about wanting more,

01:13:38perhaps a taped confession,

01:13:39the location

01:13:40of the murder weapon.

01:13:41You don't feel like you,

01:13:42you didn't feel like

01:13:43you could have asked

01:13:44for those things.

01:13:45There was no legal way

01:13:46we could have compelled those.

01:13:48And quite frankly,

01:13:49there is nothing

01:13:51that he could have said

01:13:52that I think

01:13:53would have been

01:13:53credible or believable.

01:13:56And the minimizing

01:13:57and the lies

01:13:58that would have even

01:13:59been more damaging

01:14:01and frustrating

01:14:02to everybody.

01:14:06You've seen it.

01:14:09Without a trial,

01:14:10Koberger moves

01:14:11right to a sentencing hearing.

01:14:13And the loved ones

01:14:13for the victims

01:14:14finally get their own day

01:14:17in court.

01:14:18All right,

01:14:19so with that,

01:14:19let's start

01:14:20with an impact statements.

01:14:22I just wanted to

01:14:23reclaim their power.

01:14:26The truth is,

01:14:27as dumb as they come,

01:14:29sloppy,

01:14:30weak,

01:14:31dirty.

01:14:39Brian Koberger

01:14:40pleaded guilty

01:14:41to four counts

01:14:42of first-degree murder.

01:14:44But he still has to sit

01:14:46and face

01:14:47the families

01:14:48of his victims.

01:14:49All right,

01:14:49so with that,

01:14:50let's start

01:14:51with then

01:14:51impact statements.

01:14:53The first statement

01:14:54comes from one

01:14:55of the two

01:14:55surviving roommates,

01:14:56Bethany Funk.

01:14:57She's unable

01:14:58to be in the

01:14:58courtroom herself,

01:14:59so her statement

01:15:00is read by her friend

01:15:01and also one

01:15:02of the first people

01:15:03to arrive

01:15:04at the house

01:15:04that day,

01:15:05Emily Alon.

01:15:06I was so frantic

01:15:07that morning

01:15:07and scared to death,

01:15:08not knowing

01:15:09what had happened.

01:15:12And when I made

01:15:13the 911 call,

01:15:14I couldn't even

01:15:15get out the words.

01:15:18And from then on,

01:15:19I don't remember a thing.

01:15:21I wish more than anything

01:15:22I could hug

01:15:23that one last time.

01:15:25And I wish I could tell them

01:15:26how much I love them.

01:15:29I will keep living for them

01:15:30as long as I am lucky enough

01:15:31to still be here.

01:15:34And then,

01:15:35it's the second

01:15:36surviving roommate,

01:15:37Dylan Mortensen.

01:15:39Dylan, just take your time,

01:15:40all right?

01:15:41I was barely 19

01:15:52when he did this.

01:15:53I was forced to learn

01:15:55how to survive

01:15:55the unimaginable.

01:15:58I couldn't be alone.

01:16:00And then there are

01:16:01the panic attacks.

01:16:03The kind that slam into me

01:16:05like a tsunami

01:16:05out of nowhere.

01:16:06I can't breathe.

01:16:10I can't think.

01:16:13I can't stop shaking.

01:16:15Living is how I honor them.

01:16:18Speaking today

01:16:18is to help me find

01:16:19some sort of justice

01:16:20for them.

01:16:22He may have taken

01:16:23so much from me,

01:16:24but he will never

01:16:25get to take my voice.

01:16:26One after another,

01:16:34family members

01:16:35describe the loved ones

01:16:36they lost.

01:16:40And notably,

01:16:41among them,

01:16:42is Kaylee's sister,

01:16:43Olivia Gonsalves.

01:16:45My sister Kaylee

01:16:46and her best friend Maddie

01:16:47were not yours to take.

01:16:50They were not yours

01:16:51to study,

01:16:52to stalk,

01:16:53or to silence.

01:16:54The whole time,

01:16:57I just wanted to

01:16:58reclaim their power,

01:17:01reclaim their voice,

01:17:02especially in a way

01:17:03that, you know,

01:17:04really was the end

01:17:05to this chapter.

01:17:06You got under his skin.

01:17:08Absolutely.

01:17:10Disappointments like

01:17:11you thrive on pain,

01:17:12on fear,

01:17:13and on the illusion

01:17:14of power.

01:17:16The truth is,

01:17:17the scariest part

01:17:18about you

01:17:19is how painfully

01:17:20average you turned

01:17:21out to be.

01:17:22The truth is,

01:17:24as dumb as they come,

01:17:27stupid,

01:17:28clumsy,

01:17:29slow,

01:17:30sloppy,

01:17:31weak,

01:17:32dirty.

01:17:34Did you say

01:17:35everything that you

01:17:35wanted to say?

01:17:37For the most part,

01:17:38yes.

01:17:39I didn't want to

01:17:39break eye contact,

01:17:41so that gaze

01:17:42was so intense,

01:17:45and it really did

01:17:46feel like,

01:17:47like a standoff.

01:17:49You want the truth?

01:17:50Here's the one

01:17:52you'll hate the most.

01:17:53If you hadn't

01:17:54attacked them

01:17:55in their sleep,

01:17:56in the middle

01:17:57of the night,

01:17:57like a pedophile,

01:17:59Kaylee would have

01:18:00kicked your

01:18:00ass.

01:18:09The Chapin family

01:18:10was not at the

01:18:11sentencing.

01:18:13They chose instead

01:18:14to honor Ethan

01:18:15privately.

01:18:16The Chapins

01:18:21recently got to

01:18:22visit that DNA

01:18:23lab that played

01:18:23such a crucial role

01:18:24in solving this

01:18:25case.

01:18:26It came after a

01:18:27chance meeting

01:18:27a few years back.

01:18:29This stranger,

01:18:30who I did not

01:18:30know,

01:18:31came up and she

01:18:32just wrapped her

01:18:33arms around me

01:18:34and hugged me,

01:18:34and she just said,

01:18:35we are working on

01:18:36your case and you

01:18:37don't have to worry.

01:18:38Everything will be

01:18:39okay.

01:18:39Everything's going

01:18:40to be okay.

01:18:40That there will be

01:18:41justice in the outcome.

01:18:42I mean,

01:18:43that was what I was

01:18:43trying to relay.

01:18:44Right.

01:18:45And that's how it felt.

01:18:46Jim and I would rely

01:18:47on that information

01:18:48to, you know,

01:18:49on your toughest days,

01:18:50you were like,

01:18:51Kristen told us

01:18:52not to worry,

01:18:53and we,

01:18:53and we used that.

01:18:55The Chapins now

01:18:56want to help advocate

01:18:57for the work being

01:18:58done at this lab.

01:18:59Maybe our,

01:19:00our family could

01:19:01become a face

01:19:01for the victim's

01:19:03side of what

01:19:04these people do.

01:19:05If we can make

01:19:05a positive impact

01:19:06for the future

01:19:08on some level,

01:19:10it's important.

01:19:12I miss him

01:19:13every day.

01:19:14When you lose

01:19:14your son at 20,

01:19:17it's a different loss.

01:19:19And I miss him

01:19:20every single day.

01:19:26Alrighty.

01:19:27It's nice that,

01:19:28you know,

01:19:28when we have so many

01:19:29different photographs

01:19:29and videos,

01:19:30and we can still

01:19:32hear their voices.

01:19:33They were some

01:19:33really, really cool

01:19:34people.

01:19:36It helps to

01:19:38remember them

01:19:39and not what

01:19:40happened to them.

01:19:41Hopefully one day

01:19:43they're just seen

01:19:44as who they are

01:19:45and not what

01:19:46happened to them.

01:19:51And just as college

01:19:52is starting again,

01:19:53there's now a

01:19:54memorial garden

01:19:55at the University

01:19:55of Idaho

01:19:56with a plaque

01:19:56bearing the name

01:19:57of each of the

01:19:58four victims.

01:19:59A touching tribute.

01:20:00As for Brian

01:20:00Koberger,

01:20:01David,

01:20:01he received

01:20:02four life sentences,

01:20:04one for each

01:20:04of his victims

01:20:05and an additional

01:20:06ten years

01:20:07for burglary.

01:20:07As part of that

01:20:08plea deal,

01:20:09he waived his

01:20:09right to an appeal.

01:20:10That's our

01:20:11program for tonight.

01:20:12Thanks so much

01:20:13for watching.

01:20:14I'm Deborah Roberts.

01:20:15And I'm David

01:20:15Muir from all of us

01:20:16here at 2020

01:20:17and ABC News.

01:20:18Good night.

01:20:46Hey,

01:20:48you're a great

01:20:48person.

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