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The Alchemist & Hit-Boy pulled up to Genius to break down their track “Business Merger,” produced by the duo and featured on their joint album GOLDFISH. The two dive into how they’re carving out a new lane for producers, why Alchemist needs at least one good laugh from his friends every session, and why this project felt less like a collab and more like a true merger of minds.

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00:00Been looking up to Alckmin my whole career, you know what I mean?
00:02Before I even made beats, he already had classic beats.
00:04You know what I mean?
00:05Just us tapping in, man.
00:06It just made sense.
00:07I just was a fan of what he was doing with his brand and really doing this thing with
00:13the rap stuff on top of producing albums for a bunch of artists.
00:17So I feel like we're carving a new lane for producers and showing you that you can do
00:24a lot.
00:24You don't have to be limited to just selling a beat or whatever it is.
00:30To me, that's one of my most energetic beats, just raw essence of hip-hop.
00:40That's one of the reasons we put it out first, because it really had a triumphant sound and
00:45the beat was just so crazy to begin with.
00:47I felt like this is the type of sound we could push out there right now.
00:51It's energetic and it has a certain color to it that's bright.
00:55Definitely have the right type of confidence on it from the performance to the rhyme to the beat.
01:12I've been doing therapy for maybe the last eight, nine months and I realized a lot about myself.
01:17I never had to set boundaries, you know what I mean?
01:20I just let too many people feed off my energy.
01:24That's what led to me having so many vultures in my circle.
01:28Like, bruh, I gotta focus on me.
01:30Why build a bridge just to watch niggas set it ablaze.
01:32Don't get me heated.
01:33Ain't no way to control the inferno.
01:35Feel the spirit of the prodigy.
01:36Y'all been keeping it thorough.
01:38Alk just brought to my attention, like, you know, they just dropped the Infinite album,
01:42Op Deep album, produced by Alk and Havoc.
01:44And it's like, the line came out right before that album dropped.
01:47And it's like, it's just all just like a, we didn't plan that.
01:50It just happened.
01:51But for you know me to be showing homage, us to be showing, paying homage to bro.
01:55I know they had a great close relationship.
01:57I don't know.
01:57It's just like, sometimes it just line up like that.
02:14Yeah, we definitely the new standard, man.
02:16As far as like quality and just like imagination, you know what I mean?
02:21Like we taking it everywhere we want to go with it.
02:23There's no map sometimes.
02:25Like if you build it, they will come.
02:37Having values, man.
02:38Sometimes it be kind of feeling like I'm being weighed down by being a good nigga.
02:42You know what I mean?
02:43Being a good person because I seen, man, I don't wake up and try to finesse nobody.
02:48I ain't never took a nigga beats and said they was mine.
02:50But I've seen niggas get rich and turn up off of doing that.
02:53Damn.
02:54Like it be a struggle sometimes for me to be like, bro, I got so many styles, so many bounces,
02:59so many waves, so many sounds.
03:01And it's like for some niggas to be getting looked at in a certain light when I know the truth,
03:05it be fucking me up.
03:06Separate award winners from award presenters.
03:09I seen some evil done.
03:10I'm still shaking off the jitters.
03:12I'm coming with the thunder.
03:13Yeah, I'm going Thor with the hammer.
03:15I was counting six, seven, eights before I lived in Atlanta.
03:17And it be just like niggas talking shit.
03:20And it's like, what have you done?
03:21You know what I mean?
03:22Like bruh, like you don't have no Grammys, my nigga.
03:25Like you don't have like a lot of shit I got.
03:28You know what I mean?
03:29So why would you even speak on me type shit?
03:30It's good, man.
03:31Like this game is what it is.
03:33I've been insecure before.
03:34I've been, you know, ego driven, like on my own island, in my own world.
03:38But it's like, bruh, niggas be playing.
03:41They be playing out here.
03:42They be talking crazy.
03:43And it's like, I just like, I got to speak on it.
03:57It's like the watered down line and the nine to five line go together.
04:01Bruh, like what do you do for real?
04:02My nigga, like what have you done?
04:04Like I really touched the music.
04:05I really put plays together.
04:07Like bruh, like these niggas hoes.
04:09I'm the type of guy that I look in the mirror, like whether something bad happened, good happened.
04:33Like, hey, I let this person around me.
04:36That's what happened.
04:36You know what I mean?
04:37I might've even seen the tendencies.
04:39I might've seen that they was a fucked nigga or this girl was on some wack shit.
04:43Still let them slide in my life.
04:44That's why I fucked up right there.
04:46Taking that look in the mirror is what gets me through life where it's like,
04:49okay, you know, I might've fucked up with this circle of people.
04:52But if I just start from here today and X them type of motherfuckers out of my life completely,
04:57you know, I'm going to get to a good place.
05:11First lines are always like important.
05:13Right now I'm speaking with my chest out was a good way to enter the room.
05:16Like, you know, cause this is not a sad song.
05:20This is, I'm stepping out like this chest out.
05:24Here I am.
05:25Fuck that.
05:25And the Lamborghini got the breast out.
05:27The Lamborghini is a rag top.
05:29It's a convertible Lamborghini.
05:31Sometimes I just try to come up with clever ways to say the same
05:34shit that everyone's already said.
05:36If you could remix it, you know, I'm not always trying to reinvent the wheel,
05:39but I felt like that was a clever way to step in and just let you know that I'm here.
05:44I might do a donut.
05:46There's no, there's no top on the Lamborghini.
05:49I'm working with a different type of textile.
05:52Everything's simple Janet in a Patek doll.
05:54I'm not a vegan.
05:56I'm a reptile.
05:57I mean, working with a different type of textile is just another way to say I'm cut
06:00from a different cloth.
06:01I'm working with a gabardine material or like something really exotic.
06:07And I'm not a vegan.
06:07I'm a reptile is also like, I'm neither.
06:10I'm a hunter.
06:11I'm not a gatherer.
06:12And you know, I was taught as a kid, you never get what you deserve.
06:15You get what you negotiate.
06:16My appetite for destruction is very trifling.
06:19No ciphering.
06:20Don't go to clubs if I can't sneak a rifle in.
06:23Got paper in circulation.
06:25I keep it cycling.
06:26And when I write, I think of my closest friends.
06:29And then like, when I get them in the room to play the verse, I need them to laugh once.
06:33I need one like, oh, you're an idiot.
06:36And then I'm good at one of those and I'm out.
06:38I like to be witty and say something ridiculous sometimes, but not saying I'm going to the club
06:43of the rifle, I'm saying that's the type of club I'm going to where if I had a rifle,
06:47they're like, we don't care.
06:48Alchemist, you're good.
06:50It's basically making more statement on how we move.
06:53We don't do collaborations.
06:54It's a business merger.
06:56Cut a pie, split a burger, make it stretch like a fitness worker.
07:00When we connected, it was like, it felt more like a merger than a collab.
07:03Like I'm taking notes from his camp.
07:05They're taking notes from mine.
07:06We both have a successful thing going on by ourselves.
07:09And it's like, okay, I could rinse and repeat with AOC all day.
07:13And he could do the same thing.
07:14But it's like when we come together, we create a different thing.
07:17That's just science.
07:18Put two things together and you get a new compound.
07:21This is way more than a collaboration.
07:23This is more of a business merger.
07:25I'm on my shit for certain on stage, checking the mic behind a custom Dr.
07:29Romanelli curtain.
07:30Shout out to Dr. Romanelli.
07:31That's a good friend of mine.
07:32Always was a big fan of everything that he made.
07:35He's always been a couture designer, one-on-one jackets, everything, one-on-one, everything.
07:40I just thought it would be fresh if I was on stage and he made a curtain.
07:44I might have to have him make one now.
07:45I can't be, I gotta live my raps.
07:47You know what I mean?
07:48I give you extra cuts like a deluxe version.
07:50A couple of stripes.
07:51When I'm finished, you need a cut surgeon.
07:54Hits drum and got the truck swerving.
07:57Meetings with a tuck shirt and you can never put enough work in.
08:00Hits drum and got the truck swerving.
08:02Like even when he sent me that beat, I mean, his drums are always, like he set a precedent with
08:06drums, you know?
08:07But like, it made me feel like if this beat is in a car, we might be tilting, you know?
08:11And the beat is, got the truck swerving.
08:14I think it's always about using less words to say more.
08:32We had dreams to do the shit we do now.
08:35Like have our own studio or have a name or, you know, our favorite artists knew who we are.
08:40So like, it's been a long time and that's why I said I put a hundred thousand hours in.
08:46I always tell people like, you got to put that work in.
08:48That prepares you for those unforeseen moments when you're going to end up meeting someone
08:53or being somewhere.
08:54Now those hours you put in are what are going to make it work.
08:59We just had a clip go viral with Jada Kiss and Joe, Joe, Fat Joe.
09:04And it's like, just seeing their facial expressions, reacting to the beat, reacting to the rhymes.
09:09And it's like, okay, this really hit that hip hop spot that we was trying to get to.
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