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00:00Sitting in with the Cleatones tonight,
00:01an enormously talented clarinetist.
00:03She is known as Ms. New Orleans.
00:06Say hello to Doreen Ketchum.
00:07Doreen, thank you for being here.
00:12And Doreen, your husband, Lawrence,
00:14is here on Sousaphone as well.
00:17All right.
00:20It's a funny story.
00:21I've been watching videos of Doreen for years on YouTube.
00:24And in fact, my young cousin and my cousin Sal's son
00:29Frankie and Archie, they both play clarinet
00:32because I play clarinet.
00:33And I think they thought, well, we'll
00:35do that to ourselves, too.
00:36And I wanted them to see that the clarinet was cool.
00:40So I've been sending them videos of you for quite some time.
00:44And then I get a call from Ted Koppel, who
00:47had Doreen on CBS Sunday morning.
00:48He says, you know, there's this clarinetist named Doreen.
00:51And she's just great.
00:52You should have her on the show.
00:53And I was like, is this really Ted Koppel?
00:57And it was Ted Koppel.
00:59And I said, oh, my god, that's a great idea.
01:01And so thanks, first of all, to Ted Koppel for the tip.
01:05And thanks for coming, Doreen.
01:06I'm sorry you're missing Mardi Gras.
01:08I'm not.
01:09You're not.
01:09OK, good.
01:11You having fun with the guys?
01:13Everyone's treating you well?
01:14Man, I feel like I know all of these cats.
01:16Do you?
01:17That's great.
01:17And you, what's it like being in a mixed clarinet,
01:20sousaphone marriage?
01:21Well, that's how he got me, you see.
01:25He said he wrote a tune called Tubby the Tuba and Clarissa
01:29the Clarinet.
01:30Aw.
01:31Well, that's, you know what?
01:34Very smooth.
01:37Well, thank you for being here.
01:39Doreen will be here with us all night, tomorrow night.
01:43Let's see Nick Kroll and Katrina Balfe with music from Turnstile.
01:47So please join us for that.
01:49Our first guest tonight is a quietly Canadian force of nature,
01:52you know from Grey's Anatomy and Killing Eve.
01:55Next, she lends her voice to the new Disney Pixar movie,
01:58Turning Red.
01:59It premieres March 11th on Disney+.
02:01Say hello to Sandra Oh.
02:03I haven't seen you in person in a long time.
02:23I know.
02:23Well, it's been a while since we've seen people.
02:26Yeah, and I've seen people as well.
02:27It's great to see a full audience.
02:28It's fun, right?
02:29Yeah, I'm feeling, I'm feeling.
02:33Have you been to Mardi Gras, Bourbon Street, all that stuff?
02:36I have.
02:36I have.
02:37Dear friends of mine, they stay in the Bywater.
02:40It's an excellent area.
02:41It's a lot of artists are there.
02:43And well, we liked it.
02:45And I've got to tell you, the first time I went,
02:48I had some king cake.
02:49So you usually have king cake on Fat Tuesday or Mardi Gras.
02:52Right.
02:52Oh, yeah.
02:53Yeah.
02:53And I found the baby, but I actually found two babies.
02:58Yeah?
02:58Wait a minute.
02:58OK.
02:59It's good luck, right, if you get the slice of cake
03:01with the baby in it.
03:02If you get two babies, I guess that's good luck,
03:05except for there shouldn't be two babies in the cake,
03:08because you could choke on one of the babies.
03:09Well, I've got to tell you, I just
03:10said I'm going to double my luck that year.
03:12Yeah.
03:13Did you feel like it was a lucky year?
03:14I don't even remember what year it was,
03:16but I'm sure it was lucky.
03:17I mean, Doreen, are there supposed to be one baby in the cake?
03:20There's supposed to be one.
03:21Right?
03:22Well, they don't even put the baby in the cake anymore,
03:24because people usually drink when they eat the cake.
03:27Oh.
03:28Yeah.
03:29So people are choking on the baby Jesus?
03:31I can't.
03:33I wonder if you go right to heaven if you die.
03:36Or hell.
03:37I don't know how that works.
03:38Wow, very interesting.
03:40I know you have your nieces here tonight.
03:41I do.
03:42They're going to the premiere of the movie with you?
03:44You know, honestly, Jamie, I know I always bring my parents.
03:47Yeah, you usually do bring your parents.
03:49Yeah, I usually bring my parents.
03:50But I thought, like, I'm going to change generations.
03:52And I brought my two nieces from Vancouver.
03:54You must be the coolest aunt they have, I guess, huh?
03:57My nieces.
03:59I've got to tell you, they just want to see Mitski.
04:03Oh, really?
04:04They just want to see Mitski, yeah.
04:05Oh, yeah, well, that's good.
04:06I mean, insulting, but good.
04:07I know.
04:08Yeah.
04:10You had a 50th birthday since the last time I saw you.
04:12I did.
04:13And you posted something.
04:19This is a photograph of a gift you received.
04:22Who put this gift together for you?
04:25I'm not going to tell you.
04:27It's everyone you know, right?
04:29But this was put together by someone very, very special to me.
04:33But in it is everyone I know.
04:35It's actually, it was one of the most amazing gifts.
04:37It's like a Toschen book.
04:39It weighed like 50 pounds.
04:40And to see like your life in pictures and quotes for the first 50 years, it was amazing.
04:45Did everyone get a page and then they put in a photograph and told a story about you?
04:49Yes.
04:50Basically, yeah.
04:51What was the best story in the book?
04:52Do you remember offhand?
04:54You know, it's really kind of like what my mother wrote, which was just like when you were born, you were so emotional that you would scream so much and that you would turn blue and pass out.
05:09And so it's like, it's like, you know what I mean?
05:13You have kids.
05:14It's like, what is the personality of this child?
05:16And so, I don't know, it was like one of those very, very, very first memories, or not families, first stories of like who I was.
05:24Wow.
05:25Yeah, I scared her.
05:26Is that, did that carry over?
05:27Do you get like that?
05:28Do you get crazy?
05:29I mean, I'm an actor, you know what I mean?
05:32Yeah, okay.
05:33I feel like I harnessed all that and like made it creative.
05:36But you're not passing out anymore, are you?
05:39Well, sometimes.
05:40Did you pass out on your 50th birthday?
05:42What did you do to celebrate?
05:43Oh, super nice.
05:44Very simple.
05:45You know, you know, it was still during the, you know, the pandemic.
05:48Right.
05:49So, you know, I kind of went to...
05:50No party?
05:51No party.
05:52Do you usually have like a big milestone birthday party?
05:54Well, I got to tell you, and I encourage this for everyone, like milestones are really great and
05:58really fun to kind of celebrate and to, you know, to bring people in.
06:01I'd say my 40th.
06:02One, I jumped off a side of a mountain.
06:05Oh, really?
06:06Yeah.
06:07And then I also made all my friends put on a show for me.
06:10I gave them six months.
06:12I said, you guys are a really talented bunch of people.
06:14I'm going to give you six months, and I want you to show up.
06:17It'll be a three-day party, and I want you to put on a show.
06:20And they did.
06:21Everybody had an individual act, or was it all connected somehow?
06:23No, it was kind of all connected.
06:24One of my friends, he was the showrunner for Grey's Anatomy, Tony Phelan.
06:27He was the stage manager, and he brought everyone together.
06:31And everyone kind of, some people wrote together, some people sang together, and put skits together.
06:35It was great.
06:36Were people cursing you all along the way?
06:38Yes.
06:39Yeah, right, yeah.
06:40Yes, they were.
06:41That they had to put something together.
06:42I know, yeah.
06:43And then you have these talented actors, and maybe even singers and stuff.
06:45And then you've got friends who are not doing that.
06:47Yes.
06:48And then they get really screwed, right?
06:49It was, no, it was the most special when they did something.
06:51It was.
06:52OK.
06:53Which was better, the show or the book?
06:55Oh, not better.
06:56I mean, it's just different times of your life, right?
06:59You're under oath, Sandra.
07:00No, no.
07:01I'd say, you know, but I would say, like, a book, when you actually, I mean, I don't know
07:05whether you register it.
07:07When you walk along the halls here, right, you see you in all your work and all the people
07:12that you've spoken with.
07:13There's so much history in that.
07:14You know, to be able to, it took me three days to get through that book.
07:19Oh, yeah.
07:20Right.
07:21Yeah.
07:22Sure.
07:23And it was really, really meaningful.
07:24That's a great gift, isn't it?
07:25And those are so hard to put together.
07:26Especially getting people to remember to do it, and everybody waits till the last day.
07:31Whoever this mystery person that put that book together is, is it like the Bible?
07:36Like, did it come down from God and we don't know?
07:39No, it came down from everyone.
07:42But there's only one person who has another copy, and that's my mother.
07:45Oh, is that right?
07:46Oh, mom got it.
07:47She's the only one who had gotten another copy.
07:48Well, sure.
07:49Because you passed out in her arms.
07:50Exactly.
07:51Probably terrifying her.
07:52Yes, yeah.
07:53Well, we're going to take a break.
07:54When we come back, we're going to see a clip from the new Disney Pixar movie.
07:57It's called Turning Red.
07:58Sandra Oh is here.
08:02This isn't happening.
08:03This isn't happening.
08:05Oh.
08:06Oh.
08:07Oh.
08:10Oh.
08:14Look up, look up, look up.
08:15Hey, hey, hey.
08:16Is it the pinup here?
08:17Don't get in here.
08:18I'm in here.
08:19What's going on honey?
08:20Are you sick?
08:21Is it a fever?
08:22A stomachache?
08:23Chills?
08:24Constipation?
08:25Wait.
08:26Is it...
08:27That?
08:28Did...
08:29The...
08:30Did the red peony bloom?
08:32Oh, maybe?
08:36We are right with Sandra Owen.
08:37That is turning red, the new Disney Pixar movie.
08:42So, well, was that about what I think it's about?
08:46Yes, menstruation.
08:48Oh, my god.
08:49You just said it aloud.
08:51Yes, half the audience have gone through it here.
08:53Yes.
08:54Wow.
08:55Is this the first Pixar movie about that subject?
08:59Well, it's not about menstruation.
09:02Well, it's called Turning Red.
09:03Who the hell knows?
09:04It's Turning Red, but it's also...
09:07No, Turning Red is about a 13-year-old Chinese-Canadian girl
09:14called Mei Lin Li, and I play Ming, her mother.
09:17And it is, it's great, because it just centers around
09:20the inner life of a 13-year-old girl
09:22as she is changing through puberty, going through adolescence.
09:26And she poofs into this giant fuzzy red panda
09:29when her emotions are too high.
09:32And it's about kind of like a metaphor for messiness,
09:35for puberty, for change.
09:37Yeah.
09:38And so I play her mother Ming, and there's a beautiful line
09:43of the difficulty of the change between parents and children
09:48when they are going through adolescence.
09:50Well, you know.
09:51That's a very deep subject.
09:53It is.
09:54It's beautiful.
09:54Yeah.
09:55Wow.
09:55That's, yeah, that's, I mean, I guess all the Pixar movies
09:57really have something, even like Toy Story,
10:00which seemed to be about toys, was about growing up.
10:03And there's that element, that other, that extra layer
10:06that probably is what makes those movies so great.
10:09Yeah, it says it's for, like, you know, a younger generation
10:11and definitely for adults and those who are parents.
10:15I think it's quite moving.
10:17You never see a Pixar movie and are disappointed.
10:20It doesn't matter how old you are, right?
10:22I mean, it's just unbelievable how great those movies are.
10:25It almost gets like you just expect them to be great.
10:29Well, you know what?
10:29It says so much about them.
10:32Like, Domi Shi, our director, and her co-writer, Julia Cho,
10:36and our producer, Lindsay Collins,
10:39they were just given a lot of room
10:41and a lot of support to tell Domi's story.
10:43And that's what I think is also so fantastic.
10:45You know, it's an all-female-led team.
10:47I mean, I think Domi might be the first female director
10:50for a Pixar movie, right?
10:52And, of course, the film is set in Toronto.
10:56I don't know if there's Canadians here.
10:58Yeah, there's a guy from Toronto,
11:00but he's not really from Toronto.
11:02Yeah, yeah, there are any convenience here.
11:04He lives up in Lone Pine.
11:05He's on a lake.
11:08But it's also, like, the first Pixar film
11:09that's set in Canada.
11:11Is it really the first one?
11:12Yeah, it is.
11:12Yeah, there's a lot of firsts in this film.
11:14Wow.
11:14Well, Paw Patrol really dominated Canada for a long time,
11:18and now this is set there, too.
11:20Did you know that?
11:20Paw Patrol is set in Canada.
11:22No, I did not know that.
11:23Oh, yeah, you don't have a four-year-old in your house.
11:25No.
11:25Your last animated movie,
11:27Raya and the Last Dragon,
11:29is nominated for an Academy Award coming up here.
11:32Will you go to that ceremony?
11:35I don't think so.
11:36I don't think so.
11:37I'm also so pleased for that film.
11:39I think it's just such a great time for animation.
11:43Yeah, for sure.
11:44I mean, there's some great, incredible stuff coming out.
11:46And it would be nice to bring your nieces to the Oscars, right?
11:50Girls, you want to go?
11:51That would be so cool.
11:52Oh, yes.
11:55Is she your coolest aunt?
11:57She has to be, right?
11:58For sure, definitely.
11:59I'm their only aunt, so.
12:00Oh.
12:02By default.
12:03Oh, yeah.
12:03Well, that makes you number, that makes you first and also last.
12:08All right.
12:09Well, good.
12:09Well, that's going to be.
12:10She promised on the air, so she's got to take you now.
12:12There I go.
12:13The movie is called Turning Red.
12:15It premieres March 11th on Disney+.
12:17The great Sandra Oh, everybody will be back with Sierra and Russell Wilson.
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