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Primeiro-ministro do Montenegro promete impor restrições à concessão de vistos a viajantes russos

Numa entrevista alargada à Euronews, o primeiro-ministro montenegrino Milojko Spajić falou do foco na adesão do país à UE até 2028 e da importância de alinhar a política externa com Bruxelas.

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00:00Música
00:00Olá e bem-vindo ao EUROPE CONVERSATION, eu sou Stefan Grobe.
00:12Meu guest hoje é Miloiko Spajic, o Primeiro de Montenegro,
00:17o 4º-jongest-o-ad-de-government-in-the-world.
00:21Então, um bom dia, Primeiro, para você.
00:24E obrigado por virar o programa.
00:26Obrigado por virar o meu nome, que não é o mais fácil de pronunciar.
00:33Então, obrigado.
00:34Obrigado.
00:36Então, a Comissão considera Montenegro as a primeira-ranked front-runner
00:43entre todos os candidatos.
00:44Então, o que vai acontecer depois?
00:46Podemos nos campanhas?
00:48Eu quero dizer, é bom ser chamado front-runner,
00:51mas é muito difícil de obter esse status, obviamente.
00:55e, você sabe, muitos outros países estão fazendo ótimo.
00:58E nós estamos felizes por isso.
01:01E, você sabe, isso não é uma competição.
01:04Nós realmente não estamos em um zero-sum-game.
01:08Aqui, todos nós, Montenegro, obviamente,
01:12nós abriamos todos os capítulos,
01:15e agora nós estamos fechando.
01:17Nós estamos fechando IGCs e continuamos fechando.
01:21E temos um tempo de tempo de fechando.
01:25Então, eu estou muito feliz com o que as coisas estão indo até agora.
01:29Nós temos um governo stable,
01:30nós temos um foco de foco de reformas.
01:33Julio foi um ótimo mês para nós.
01:36Um ano de meses agora,
01:37nós estamos, de novo,
01:38estamos, de novo, com a execução no Parlamento,
01:41que é muito importante.
01:42Então, eu estou muito feliz com o que as coisas estão acontecendo agora.
01:46É um dia que você está assistindo?
01:49E, se sim, o que é?
01:51Então, nós tínhamos essas duas boas boas boas boas.
01:55Um ano foi 28 por 28,
02:00para ser o 28th membro da EU por 2028.
02:03E o segundo foi 26 capítulos por 2026.
02:08Então, isso foi lá.
02:09Agora, é um pouco menos,
02:11mas nós estamos ganhando para fechando todos os capítulos
02:14por fim do ano de ano de ano de ano de ano de ano de ano de ano de ano.
02:16E eu acho que nós temos uma grande chance
02:19de ter um novo membro de Estado
02:21em o mandato de esta Comissão Europeia.
02:25Então, quando você fala sobre o enlarcimento,
02:27há dois dimensões para esse assunto.
02:30Há dois elementos para esse assunto.
02:30Há dois elementos técnicos que vocês todos sejam.
02:36E aí, há o político will.
02:39Agora, há ainda não sido uma decisão
02:43quando o Moitonegor vai ser aceitado.
02:47Do você acha que há alguns poderes em trabalho
02:53que poderiam terá-se a sua acessão para a EU?
02:57Poderes que você não tem controle sobre?
03:00Eu acho que a parte técnica,
03:02como você primeiro mencionou,
03:04é extremamente importante.
03:07Então, não se esqueça de que
03:09nós precisamos fazer a nossa parte do nosso trabalho
03:11e nós temos que ser prontos para a entrada.
03:14e isso é em nosso próprio interesse,
03:17é em nosso interesse de toda a União,
03:21porque, obviamente,
03:22uma vez que nós nos uniramos a EU,
03:24nós queremos adicionar valor.
03:25Nós não queremos adicionar valor.
03:27Então, nós queremos a EU
03:29ser mais riqueza com a nossa senhora.
03:31E isso é realmente o que nós realmente acreditamos.
03:35Então, com todas as reformas
03:36que nós vamos fazer,
03:37com o crescimento econômico
03:39que nós vamos ver no próximo couple de anos,
03:41que nós achamos que nós vamos ser um grande candidato
03:44e que nós vamos ser uma pessoa
03:47que a EU vai ser riqueza com.
03:50Segundo, obviamente,
03:51o suporte político é muito, muito importante.
03:54Nós precisamos de todos os 27 membros estados
03:57para sentir, realmente,
03:59que é o seu interesse,
04:01para ver Montenegro como parte da EU.
04:04Nós precisamos de convencer eles em isso.
04:05E eu acho que a maioria deles,
04:07ou eu diria que todos eles,
04:08são mais ou menos lá,
04:10mas nós podemos relaxar.
04:12Nós temos que ser muito, muito focados
04:14nos grandes relações
04:16com todos os 27 membros estados.
04:18Obviamente,
04:19eles são membros estados
04:21que são um pouco mais conservador
04:24para o enlarcimento como um conceito.
04:26Então, nós temos que trabalhar muito
04:27com esses países.
04:30Eles são os que são muito focados
04:31com a rule of law,
04:32e, obviamente,
04:33os Balcanais
04:35tradicionais
04:36têm sido
04:37focados em termos de isso,
04:40então,
04:40nós temos que
04:41fazer um monte de reformas,
04:44como evidencedo
04:45por interim benchmarks,
04:46last ano,
04:46e,
04:47no capítulo 5,
04:49que foi fechado este ano,
04:50é um dos fundamentais capítulos.
04:52Mas,
04:52again,
04:53esse é só o começo.
04:56Nós temos que fazer muito mais.
04:57Nós temos que
04:58mostrar que nós estamos
04:59fazendo um ótimo trabalho
05:00em termos de rule of law.
05:01Tem grande apoio
05:03em Montenegro
05:04para o país
05:06joining o EU.
05:07Eu acho que 80%
05:08ou algo do
05:09de Montenegro
05:11want a join o EU.
05:14Você acha que
05:15esse nível de apoio
05:17e excitement
05:17pode diminuir
05:19se o processo
05:20o processo
05:20continua
05:22em seguida?
05:23Eu acho
05:24que é um
05:25fair ponto.
05:26É um ótimo
05:27e um ótimo
05:28e um ótimo
05:28ponto que você
05:29fez.
05:30E nós vemos,
05:31que,
05:32a support
05:32para o EU
05:33accesso
05:35de Montenegris
05:36foi sempre
05:36around
05:3755%,
05:3865%.
05:40There era
05:40a maioridade,
05:41mas não
05:41a maior maioridade
05:42até que este governo
05:44come in.
05:45Então,
05:45desde que
05:47nós
05:47came in
05:47e o
05:48optimism
05:49sobre
05:49o
05:49EU
05:50enlargement
05:50realmente
05:51felt
05:51real.
05:53People felt
05:53it was
05:54realmente real
05:54this time.
05:56You had
05:56plethora
05:57prime ministers
05:58who were
05:59coming out
05:59in front
06:00of people
06:00saying,
06:00hey,
06:01we are
06:02doing this
06:03for European
06:04integrations,
06:05we are
06:06politically
06:06trying to
06:07motivate
06:08the public
06:08administration
06:09to work
06:10hard,
06:10etc.
06:11But,
06:11you know,
06:12public
06:12administration
06:13was not,
06:13at some
06:14point of
06:14time,
06:15was saying,
06:15hey,
06:15this is like,
06:16the people
06:17are changing
06:17and the
06:18same
06:18story
06:18is going
06:19on.
06:19But I
06:20think,
06:21finally,
06:21this time
06:22around,
06:23people
06:23really
06:24believe
06:24it's
06:24possible.
06:26Montenegro
06:26is a
06:28very diverse
06:29country,
06:30culturally,
06:30ethnically,
06:32at a time
06:33when diversity
06:35almost has
06:36become a
06:37negative
06:37connotation.
06:39I want to
06:39ask you,
06:40to what
06:40extent do
06:41you think
06:41this
06:43diversity
06:43in your
06:45country
06:46will be
06:48an asset
06:48for
06:49Europe?
06:50That's
06:51a great
06:51point.
06:52And,
06:52you know,
06:53with
06:53tolerance,
06:55with
06:55the culture
06:59of building
06:59consensus,
07:01with culture
07:01of looking
07:03at the future
07:03and not
07:04looking at
07:04the past,
07:06or at
07:06the culture
07:07of non-zero-sum
07:08gain.
07:09So,
07:10as I say,
07:11like win-win,
07:13you know,
07:13striving for
07:13win-win
07:14situations,
07:16even countries
07:17that are as
07:18diverse as
07:19Montenegro,
07:20which is,
07:20in Europe,
07:21there's no
07:21other country
07:22without ethnic
07:24majority.
07:25We are probably
07:25the only ones.
07:27You know,
07:27Montenegrins,
07:2840-something
07:29percent,
07:29then we have
07:30Serbs at
07:3030 percent,
07:31we have
07:31Bosniaks close
07:32to 20 percent,
07:33we have
07:34other groups
07:35like Albanians
07:36and Croats
07:36in significant
07:37numbers.
07:38Most recently,
07:40the
07:40Ukrainians
07:42and a bit
07:43of Turks
07:44and others,
07:45so these
07:45are like,
07:46you know,
07:46the people,
07:48we are a
07:48very,
07:49very diverse
07:49country,
07:50but we are
07:51proud of that.
07:53Let's assume
07:54that Montenegro
07:55will join
07:55the EU soon.
07:56Do you think
07:57this would have
07:57a galvanizing
07:58effect for the
07:59whole process
08:00in the Western
08:01Balkans?
08:01this is what
08:02I'm trying
08:02to say
08:02and I
08:03think we
08:03can be
08:04a fantastic
08:04bridge
08:05and a big
08:05help
08:06to all
08:07of the
08:07other
08:07countries
08:08to not
08:09only speed
08:09up reforms
08:10but also
08:11to politically
08:11help them
08:12and to
08:13translate
08:13a little
08:14bit
08:15sometimes
08:16difficulty
08:18to understand
08:20the Western
08:21Balkan
08:21circumstances
08:22that,
08:23obviously,
08:24for the
08:25culture
08:25or other
08:26reasons,
08:27it's not
08:27always easy
08:28to understand
08:28the Western
08:29Balkans.
08:29So,
08:30Montenegro
08:30has adopted
08:32the euro
08:32as its
08:33currency
08:33since 2002,
08:35I believe?
08:35We actually,
08:36we did this
08:38with Deutschmark
08:39first,
08:40so we got
08:40grandfathered
08:41into the
08:41eurozone.
08:42Wonderful.
08:43So,
08:44you have
08:44the euro,
08:45you have
08:45aligned
08:45Montenegro's
08:46foreign policy
08:47with the EU.
08:49That begs
08:50the question,
08:50is there
08:50any alternative
08:51for Montenegro?
08:54You know,
08:54I'm not even
08:55thinking,
08:55nobody's thinking
08:56about the
08:56alternatives.
08:57EU members,
08:58full membership
08:59of the
09:01European Union
09:02is what we
09:03are gunning
09:03for,
09:04what we
09:04are up
09:04there for,
09:05and I
09:06think that's
09:07just a fair
09:08point.
09:08We are
09:10surrounded
09:11by the
09:12European Union.
09:13We are,
09:14as you already
09:14said,
09:15we are already
09:16with CEPA now,
09:17just recently
09:18we have
09:19introduced CEPA
09:20to our system.
09:21Very soon
09:22we'll have
09:22free roaming
09:23with the
09:25European Union
09:25countries.
09:26so we
09:26are integrating
09:27in the
09:27single market
09:28at the
09:28extent unseen
09:29until now.
09:31So we
09:32are looking
09:33at,
09:33you know,
09:34we just
09:34had the
09:34European
09:34fantastic
09:35conference
09:36held in
09:37Lushtica
09:37in Montenegro
09:38between
09:39European Union
09:40and Montenegro
09:42on the
09:42investments
09:43coming from
09:44EU.
09:45We are
09:46building our
09:46infrastructure
09:47using the
09:48EBRD,
09:48EIB,
09:49and other
09:50IFIs
09:51coming from
09:52Europe.
09:52so we
09:53are really
09:54truly
09:54integrating
09:55further and
09:56further with
09:57Europe,
09:58with
09:58political
09:59Europe,
10:00with EU.
10:00So this
10:00is our
10:02goal.
10:02I want to
10:03follow up on
10:03this.
10:03Sure.
10:03because you
10:05have been
10:07touting
10:07Montenegro's
10:08green
10:09sustainable
10:09development
10:10and digital
10:12transformation.
10:14You've
10:14talked about
10:15investment.
10:16What is it
10:17that Montenegro
10:17brings to
10:18the table?
10:20Some observers
10:21say that
10:21Montenegro
10:22was more
10:23progressive
10:24than some
10:24old EU
10:26members.
10:27You know,
10:28it depends
10:28on the...
10:29I wouldn't
10:29compare us
10:30to anybody
10:31else.
10:31It's kind of
10:32difficult to
10:33compare because
10:33we are really
10:34a small
10:34country,
10:35which has
10:36its benefits
10:36as well.
10:38And being a
10:38small country
10:39and a country
10:40that is not
10:41really burdened
10:42with these
10:42ethnic tensions
10:43or...
10:45So this is
10:47a factor
10:48that basically
10:48relieves...
10:49And also our
10:50income per capita
10:50is highest
10:51of all the
10:51candidate states.
10:53So as we
10:54are seeing
10:54with our
10:55most recent
10:56census,
10:57we have seen
10:59a slight
11:00increase in
11:00population
11:01in the last
11:02ten plus
11:03years.
11:04So we
11:05are not
11:06likely to
11:06see big
11:08emigration
11:08or people
11:09living in
11:09Montenegro,
11:10but rather
11:11than actually
11:11some of the
11:12central or
11:13western Europeans
11:14might consider
11:15living in
11:15nice weather
11:16and in a
11:17country of
11:18relatively low
11:19taxes as
11:20compared to
11:20the other
11:21options.
11:22And the
11:23friendly system,
11:24nice food,
11:25and so Montenegro
11:27is a place
11:28that I
11:29think many
11:30Europeans
11:30obviously
11:31and many
11:33Montenegro
11:33kids will
11:35go to
11:35universities
11:36around Europe
11:37and many
11:38people from
11:39our public
11:39administration
11:39might come
11:40to work
11:41in Brussels.
11:42So as a
11:43part of EU
11:44there will be
11:45a labor
11:45movement and
11:46I think
11:47Montenegro
11:47is unlikely
11:49to see a
11:50big number
11:50of people
11:51leaving the
11:51country.
11:52But going
11:53back to the
11:54point of the
11:54benefits of
11:55Montenegro
11:55joining I
11:56think we
11:56can be a
11:57fantastic
11:58really good
11:59bridge to
12:00the other
12:00candidate states
12:01as through
12:03our ethnic
12:03fabric to
12:06our understanding
12:07of the whole
12:07region through
12:08our shared
12:09history and
12:10the culture
12:10and the
12:12values I
12:13think we
12:13can really
12:14help bridge
12:16this gap that
12:17is sometimes
12:17existing and
12:19also I think
12:20what we also
12:21bring to the
12:22table is as
12:24a small
12:25dynamic
12:25economy is
12:26a country
12:27that can
12:27be seen
12:28as incubator
12:31of some
12:32of the more
12:33progressive ideas
12:34in terms of
12:35innovation and
12:36it's not burdened
12:37with the old
12:37vested interests
12:38that some
12:39other big
12:40countries have
12:41but we don't
12:42have as much
12:44developed these
12:45industries so
12:46it's naturally
12:47we are positioned
12:48we have a
12:49very you know
12:51it's not that
12:52hard to change
12:53our legislation
12:53we are much
12:55more flexible
12:55on this
12:56on something
12:56totally different
12:57sure
12:58so due to
12:58the wars
13:00in what used
13:00to be
13:01Yugoslavia
13:01there is still
13:02a large
13:03stockpile of
13:04weapons in
13:05circulation
13:05in Montenegro
13:07and together
13:08together with
13:09Serbia
13:09people own
13:11the most
13:11weapons
13:12in Europe
13:14namely 39
13:16per 100
13:17inhabitants
13:18and this is
13:18surpassed only
13:19by the United
13:20States
13:20and Yemen
13:21which is of
13:22course
13:22in a civil
13:23war
13:24how does
13:25this dangerous
13:26legacy
13:27influence
13:28society
13:28and are
13:30you at
13:31odds
13:32with the
13:33rest of
13:33Europe on
13:33this
13:34this is
13:35a great
13:35question
13:36and this
13:37is what
13:38we were
13:38targeting
13:39this year
13:40actually
13:40so it's
13:41the newest
13:42measures
13:42that we
13:43we've
13:43actually had
13:44thousands
13:45of pieces
13:46of weapons
13:46of the
13:47people
13:47voluntarily
13:48returning
13:48we have
13:49increased
13:50the penalties
13:50for
13:51holding
13:53weapons
13:53without
13:54the
13:54proper
13:57permits
13:57we have
13:58made the
13:59permitting
13:59system
13:59very
14:00very strict
14:01so I
14:01think
14:01the
14:02number
14:02that you
14:03just
14:03that you
14:04took
14:04is probably
14:05from
14:06maybe
14:06three or
14:07four years
14:07ago
14:07as of
14:08now
14:09the number
14:09is at least
14:10at least
14:10at half
14:11of that
14:11so
14:12because of
14:13the
14:13really
14:14swift
14:15action
14:15we've
14:15taken
14:15in the
14:16last
14:16couple
14:17of
14:17years
14:17so
14:18I
14:18think
14:19definitely
14:20this
14:20is
14:20there
14:21are
14:22some
14:23of the
14:23remnants
14:23of the
14:23past
14:24but
14:24we are
14:25overcoming
14:25this
14:26another
14:26remnant
14:27of the
14:27past
14:27is
14:28travel
14:30of
14:30Russians
14:31to
14:31Europe
14:31the
14:32EU
14:32has
14:33restricted
14:34visa
14:35travel
14:36from
14:36Russians
14:36to
14:37the
14:37EU
14:37what
14:38about
14:38Montenegro
14:39there
14:39are
14:40a lot
14:40of
14:40Russians
14:41who
14:41own
14:41property
14:42in
14:42Montenegro
14:43there are
14:44a lot
14:44of
14:44Russians
14:44coming
14:45and
14:45visit
14:46what's
14:47going
14:47to
14:47happen
14:47once
14:48you're
14:48a member
14:50of the
14:51club
14:51we
14:51follow
14:52the
14:52European
14:53common
14:54foreign
14:55security
14:55policy
14:56to
14:56the
14:57100%
14:57extent
14:58so
14:59as
14:59you have
15:00seen
15:00and
15:00it's
15:00not
15:00only
15:01the
15:01current
15:01government
15:02it's
15:02been
15:03like
15:03last
15:03five
15:04governments
15:04or
15:04something
15:05for
15:0613
15:06years
15:07and
15:08this
15:08is
15:09something
15:12that
15:12Montenegro
15:13is proud
15:14of
15:14and that
15:14we are
15:15constructive
15:15even
15:16before
15:17having
15:17membership
15:18status
15:19and
15:19membership
15:19benefits
15:20we
15:21behave
15:21as a
15:21member
15:21state
15:22so
15:23we
15:24will
15:24fully
15:24align
15:25with
15:26the
15:27visa
15:27policies
15:27of
15:28European
15:28Union
15:28and
15:29there's
15:29absolutely
15:30nothing
15:30nothing
15:31you know
15:31obviously
15:32we are
15:33tourist
15:34country
15:34primarily
15:35so
15:35we are
15:36trying
15:36to get
15:36as many
15:37tourists
15:37from
15:37all
15:37kinds
15:38of
15:38places
15:38the
15:39Russian
15:39tourists
15:39are
15:40actually
15:40not as
15:41numerous
15:42as they
15:42used
15:42to be
15:43before
15:43the
15:44real estate
15:45holding
15:45that was
15:46maybe
15:46some
15:4715-20
15:47years ago
15:48was way
15:49higher
15:49now
15:49the
15:50Russians
15:51are
15:51just
15:51like
15:51one
15:52of
15:52the
15:52groups
15:52including
15:53Germans
15:54Italians
15:54Serbs
15:56Bosniaks
15:57Albanians
15:57and the
15:58other
15:58foreigners
15:59who are
15:59holding
16:00the
16:00real estate
16:01assets
16:01in
16:01Montenegro
16:01so
16:02it's
16:03much
16:03more
16:03diversified
16:04now
16:04and
16:04we are
16:06not
16:07too
16:07worried
16:08about
16:08the
16:08trends
16:09but
16:10obviously
16:10as a
16:10tourist
16:11country
16:11we are
16:13trying
16:15to
16:15have
16:16this
16:16policy
16:18we are
16:19trying
16:19to have
16:20this
16:20policy
16:20but
16:20of
16:21the
16:21as
16:22easy
16:22travel
16:23to
16:23Montenegro
16:24as
16:24possible
16:24that
16:25said
16:25we
16:26will
16:26fully
16:26align
16:26with
16:27all
16:27the
16:28visa
16:29policies
16:29of
16:29European
16:30Union
16:30very
16:30soon
16:31I
16:32have
16:32a
16:32personal
16:32question
16:33if I
16:33may
16:33please
16:34when
16:34you
16:35were
16:35I was
16:36tempted
16:37to say
16:37young
16:37but
16:38you
16:38are
16:38young
16:38when
16:38you
16:38were
16:38younger
16:39you
16:39studied
16:40in
16:40Japan
16:41and
16:41China
16:41I
16:42wonder
16:43how
16:44that
16:44experience
16:45has
16:46shaped
16:46your
16:47thinking
16:47you
16:49know
16:49that
16:49this
16:49is
16:49a
16:50question
16:50I
16:50don't
16:50get
16:50to
16:51be
16:51asked
16:52actually
16:52a
16:52lot
16:52so
16:53thanks
16:53for
16:53that
16:53I
16:55studied
16:55undergrad
16:56in
16:56Japan
16:57for
16:58five
16:58years
16:59and
17:00I
17:00was
17:00under
17:01the
17:01Japanese
17:02government
17:02scholarship
17:03called
17:03Monbu
17:03Kagakusho
17:04and
17:05it
17:05was
17:05at
17:05the
17:05time
17:06when
17:06Japan
17:06was
17:07like
17:07second
17:07largest
17:08economy
17:09in
17:09the
17:09world
17:09and
17:09Japan
17:10was
17:10a
17:11very
17:11significant
17:12partner
17:12to
17:13United
17:13States
17:14and
17:14Europe
17:14and
17:15this
17:15is
17:15actually
17:15something
17:16that
17:16I
17:16would
17:16like
17:17to
17:17work
17:17on
17:17politically
17:18as
17:18well
17:18to
17:18be
17:19sort
17:19of
17:19a
17:19bridge
17:19between
17:20Japan
17:21and
17:21European
17:21Union
17:21in the
17:22future
17:22amongst
17:22other
17:22things
17:23I
17:23forgot
17:24to
17:24say
17:25that
17:25because
17:26of
17:26this
17:26cultural
17:28and other
17:29ties
17:29that I
17:30have
17:30with
17:31Japan
17:31and
17:32I
17:33feel
17:33it's
17:33my
17:33second
17:35home
17:35and
17:35I
17:36have
17:36a
17:36lot
17:36of
17:36friends
17:37in
17:37Japan
17:37and
17:38I
17:39stayed
17:39there
17:39for
17:39five
17:39years
17:40I
17:40was
17:40actually
17:41on an
17:41exchange
17:42in
17:42Tsinghua
17:43University
17:43in Beijing
17:44learning
17:45Chinese
17:45language
17:46so
17:46that's
17:47another
17:48blessing
17:50that I
17:50had
17:51from
17:51Asia
17:52I
17:52lived
17:52afterwards
17:53in
17:53Singapore
17:53for
17:54six
17:54years
17:54combining
17:55Mandarin
17:56language
17:57Japanese
17:57language
17:58skills
17:58and
17:58understanding
17:59of the
17:59broader
18:00Asia
18:00Pacific
18:01region
18:01as
18:02a
18:03distress
18:03credit
18:03analyst
18:04at
18:04Goldman
18:04Sachs
18:05so
18:06these
18:06are
18:06all
18:06experiences
18:06that
18:07actually
18:07helped
18:07me
18:07in the
18:09job
18:09that
18:09I'm
18:09doing
18:09now
18:10in
18:10things
18:11that
18:11I
18:12didn't
18:12believe
18:13would
18:13be
18:13useful
18:14to
18:14a
18:14politician
18:15and
18:15if
18:15somebody
18:16asked
18:16me
18:16at
18:16six
18:16or
18:17seven
18:17years
18:17would
18:18you
18:18be
18:18a
18:18politician
18:19and
18:19being
18:19in
18:20the
18:20role
18:20that
18:20I'm
18:20doing
18:21now
18:21I
18:22wouldn't
18:22be
18:23able
18:23to
18:23say
18:23that
18:24I
18:24would
18:24believe
18:25that
18:25the
18:25person
18:25I
18:26would
18:26think
18:26he's
18:26crazy
18:27or
18:27something
18:27because
18:28I
18:28I'm
18:28an
18:29introvert
18:29personally
18:31I'm
18:32not
18:32really
18:32a
18:33classical
18:33politician
18:34I'm
18:34not
18:34a
18:35classical
18:35politician
18:36but
18:36that
18:37said
18:37I
18:38think
18:38the
18:39patience
18:39that
18:41is
18:42maybe
18:42not
18:43characteristic
18:43for
18:44somebody
18:45my
18:45age
18:45mixed
18:46with
18:47the
18:47passion
18:47and
18:48mixed
18:48with
18:48the
18:49resolution
18:50in
18:51Japan
18:51they
18:52say
18:52kodavari
18:52is
18:53like
18:53the
18:53focus
18:53on
18:54the
18:54goal
18:54and
18:54focus
18:55on
18:55what
18:55you
18:55want
18:56to
18:56achieve
18:56but
18:57at
18:57the
18:57same
18:57time
18:58strategic
18:58patience
18:59and
18:59also
19:00there's
19:01this
19:01concept
19:01called
19:02ba
19:02concept
19:03in
19:03Japan
19:03which
19:04I
19:05think
19:05we
19:05should
19:06have
19:08more
19:08in
19:08Europe
19:09and
19:09in
19:10Balkans
19:10for
19:10sure
19:11but
19:11in
19:11Western
19:12cultures
19:13in
19:14general
19:14you
19:15know
19:15there
19:16is
19:16you
19:17should
19:18have
19:18your
19:18opinion
19:18your
19:19contribution
19:19to
19:20the
19:20table
19:20but
19:21at
19:21the
19:21same
19:21time
19:22your
19:23contribution
19:23your
19:24addition
19:24to
19:24the
19:25table
19:25shouldn't
19:26be
19:26detrimental
19:27to
19:28the
19:28harmony
19:28of
19:29the
19:29table
19:29so
19:30while
19:30giving
19:31your
19:32addition
19:32and
19:32your
19:33card
19:34your
19:35cherry
19:36on top
19:37of the
19:37cake
19:37you
19:38shouldn't
19:38destroy
19:39the
19:39cake
19:39and
19:40this
19:41is
19:41something
19:41that
19:42I
19:42think
19:42we
19:43can
19:43definitely
19:43learn
19:44from
19:44the
19:44Japanese
19:44and
19:45we
19:45can
19:45learn
19:45from
19:45the
19:45Eastern
19:45cultures
19:46and
19:47on
19:47that
19:47note
19:48Loiko
19:48Spajic
19:49Prime
19:49Minister
19:50of
19:50Montenegro
19:50thank you
19:51so much
19:51for coming
19:52on today
19:52great conversation
19:53thank you
19:54very much
19:54for calling
19:55amen
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