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00:00O que é o dia 25 de novembro, eu sou Mave MacMahon e esse é Europe Today,
00:19Euronews' daily live fixo de news e análises.
00:23Coming up, it's a nail-biting week with the future of Ukraine at stake and the Kremlin rejecting a counter-proposal put on the table by European leaders.
00:31Negotiations are ongoing and also when it comes to trade.
00:36Yesterday, for the first time ever, Europeans got together for lunch in Brussels.
00:41On the menu, tariffs of course.
00:43For more on exactly what they chewed over, we can bring in now Euronews' EU editor, Maria Tadeo.
00:49Good morning, Maria. Lovely to have you with us.
00:51Look, what were the main takeaways from these trade talks?
00:54Was there any progress, mate?
00:55Well, to be a fly on the wall, because Mave, as you say, this is the first time or was the first time that European officials and US officials got together face-to-face in Brussels since the trade deal was agreed in July.
01:09Remember, the European Union now faces 15% tariffs.
01:12The Americans have tripled tariffs on European goods.
01:16So yesterday, the Europeans made a point to the Americans that they want to see a form of relief, better quotas and exemptions.
01:25Of course, when you look at specific items, steel, aluminium, the tariffs are 50%.
01:31This is huge.
01:32It is a problem for the European Union.
01:34Now, the flip side, of course, is the Americans argue, not so fast.
01:38We want to see a faster implementation of the deal we agreed in July, which got a lot of heat for Ursula von der Leyen.
01:44They want to see those commitments when it comes to buying the weapons, the energy and the digital rules.
01:49This is always a sticking point.
01:51Not just Trump, every US administration, but the Trump administration is more aggressive.
01:55And they argue we want to see much more soft, lenient implementation of the rules.
02:01And that's why the digital rules, of course, they were the elephant in the room yesterday over those talks.
02:05How severe is this pressure on the EU to change the rules?
02:08Look, absolutely.
02:09Because, again, going back to this question of the steel and aluminium, the Europeans want to see better terms on that 50% tariff.
02:15The Americans have argued that perhaps they can debate, but first, they want to see a softer implementation of these digital rules, which, of course, for the EU are key.
02:26But I just want to play you for one second a comment yesterday on the red carpet.
02:30Euronews was there.
02:31Jamie Greer, he is the US Commerce Ambassador.
02:34Let's take a look.
02:36The United States has had significant concerns for many years about the Digital Markets Act and similar legislation in the EU.
02:42Many times, the thresholds are set to the extent that it's nearly only US companies that are captured.
02:49The enforcement is quite aggressive at times.
02:52It becomes, you know, complying with the law can become challenging.
02:56Sometimes our companies feel like the goalposts are moved.
02:59The fines can be quite large.
03:01We know that the European Union, that these laws are important to them.
03:04We just want to make sure we're controlling for our companies that have global business models,
03:08that their global revenues aren't affected, and a variety of other things that perhaps could be modified to help accommodate their concerns and ours.
03:17And that was Jamie Sun-Greer, the US Trade Representative.
03:20Maeve, that kind of language on a red carpet with the US Trade Commissioner there, but also the Europeans next to him.
03:26That was very aggressive.
03:28This is not a very polite thing to say when you're meeting and you're being hosted by someone else.
03:32But, of course, they are making a very clear point.
03:35They want to see the implementation change, and they want to see American companies act in a way that they argue would be fair to their revenues.
03:43The problem for the Europeans, of course, is that this goes beyond trade.
03:46This is now about the legislation and the rule of the EU.
03:50You could argue there is a form of political interference.
03:53And yesterday, a US official and a European official told me,
03:56we see this are two completely different negotiations.
03:58Steel is one thing.
03:59The digital rules are a different thing.
04:01OK, Maria Tadeo.
04:03Euronews is EU-Eder.
04:03Thank you so much for all those details.
04:06And, of course, for more on that story, you can find specialised reports by our EU news team
04:10and, of course, our trade reporter, Peggy Corna, on Euronews.com.
04:13But for now, coming up, we'll be joined by Margarethe Vesteyer, the former EU competition commissioner
04:20that President Trump used to call the tax lady, known as one of the main trailblazers of the EU's landmark digital rulebook
04:27and also for having inspired the famous Danish TV show Borgen.
04:31The Danish liberal politician spent two terms in Brussels.
04:34She was also a government minister back home, a deputy prime minister and a party leader.
04:38So, Margarethe Vesteyer, thank you so much for joining us this morning on Europe Today from Copenhagen.
04:45Lovely to have you with us.
04:46It's such a pleasure to be with you.
04:48Thank you very much for having me.
04:50So, look, you were listening to Maria Tadeo there on set.
04:52The message yesterday, cut your digital rules for lower EU or US steel tariffs.
04:57Are the Americans cornering the Europeans here, do you think?
05:01Well, these are two completely different discussions.
05:04One is steel and aluminium.
05:05It has been going on for years.
05:07The second one is about how do we live with technology?
05:11Because promises were made to Europeans that digital services would be safe to use,
05:17just like any other product or service,
05:19and that the market actually would be open for competition
05:22so that we can get new products and services.
05:26This is not crazy.
05:27This is not against anyone.
05:29This is normal.
05:30This is what you would ask in a normal market.
05:32But how would you be handling this if you were still in office?
05:35We can see a lot of your work being undone here, the work that you put in place.
05:38Well, I see that the Commission is continuing the work done because promises were made to Europeans.
05:47You know, when one discusses, for instance, the Dint of Services Act,
05:50this is a very sort of simple piece of legislation just asking companies who are on our hands,
05:57in our devices every day for their products to be safe to use.
06:01And of course, what the DMA is asking is that you do not misuse your market power,
06:07but, you know, that you have a competitive market.
06:09You know, actually, this is everything that you could ask for.
06:13And actually, you do see some of the US states pushing for some of the same things
06:18because it is absolutely essential that you can trust also the digital services
06:23that most of us are using every day.
06:25But that is not how the Americans see it.
06:27Do you think this could be the beginning of the end of the so-called Brussels effect,
06:31where the EU has been setting global standards?
06:33Now it could be the United States.
06:36Well, we should not be setting global standards.
06:39We set standards for ourselves because we have a long, long, long tradition
06:43of making sure that protection of consumers goes hand in hand with innovation.
06:48That has been the goal.
06:49And actually, that has been achieved.
06:51If you see how that digital market is changing and more and more also European companies,
06:57they need to be able to reach their customers and not being kept out by gatekeepers.
07:02And how do you strike that balance, though?
07:04That is, of course, the problem.
07:06So that innovation can thrive and we also can have strong regulation.
07:11Well, innovation thrives when you see that I want to solve a problem,
07:15not just I want to produce another service.
07:19And when you look at the European ecosystem, when it comes to everything digital,
07:23we have very strong entrepreneurs.
07:25We have very strong innovation.
07:27The thing is that we do not make sure that they have a market.
07:31And the Digital Markets Act is exactly about this,
07:34making sure that it's your ideas, your work ethic, the people on your team
07:38that gives you a fair chance of getting to the market.
07:41We've been discussing this with the Americans ever since I took office.
07:44This is not new.
07:45What is news is that we actually deliver it to Europeans as promised.
07:49But did you over-regulate during your term?
07:53Well, I see in the omnibus proposal just tabled that there are actually some quite pragmatic,
08:01sensible simplifications when it comes, for instance, to cookies,
08:06when it comes to when to implement and how to enforce the AI Act.
08:10And I think that is really important because, of course, you can always do better.
08:15But one thing is important, and that is that we have promised Europeans
08:19that their services would be safe to use for their mental health, for their democracy as such.
08:25And that is, of course, core in any democracy that you stand by the promises made.
08:30And that U.S.-EU trade deal, Margretsevich there, was it a bad deal for Europe?
08:33I think it was a wise thing not to take the bait and escalate the conflict.
08:41Of course, some areas are not within that deal.
08:44But I think in a world like this, some level of predictability is actually worthwhile.
08:49And we could conclude the single market and kind of make up for the increased tariffs.
08:53And just what about Ukraine?
08:56That is, of course, a big story we're keeping a very close eye on this week.
09:00What should the Europeans be doing now to make sure they're heard in these very important talks,
09:04to make sure they have a seat at the table?
09:06Well, having followed the developments over the last week,
09:11you know, I was completely devastated when I saw the first U.S. proposal.
09:16But the negotiations that have been ongoing actually shows that there has been a listening,
09:22that European concerns and how we have obliged ourselves to peace in our region.
09:30I think that is a positive development.
09:33But so far, it's completely impossible to say what comes out of it.
09:37But I think that the ask to be at the table is completely legitimate.
09:41OK, Margretsevich, thank you so much for that.
09:43And I hope you can join us next time here in the studio when you're passing through Brussels.
09:48But now, as you heard now, Ukraine's future is still unsure
09:52after the Kremlin said that the European counterproposal does not work.
09:56Quote, leaders from the Coalition of the Willing, i.e. Ukraine's allies,
09:59will be gathering today via video call.
10:01Our reporters, Jakob Yanis and Jorge Libreiro,
10:04have been comparing the various proposals on the table.
10:10Bypassing Brussels,
10:11Washington presented a 28-point blueprint directly negotiated with Moscow
10:16to put an end to Russia's all-out war against Ukraine.
10:20Europe has now responded.
10:22A side-by-side comparison reveals three fundamental differences.
10:26What are they?
10:27First, money.
10:29The US-Russia plan would unblock the frozen Russian assets
10:32to create two investment vehicles,
10:34with Washington taking half the profits from the Ukraine Reconstruction Fund.
10:38The European plan insists that the assets must remain frozen
10:42until Russia fully compensates Ukraine for the destruction.
10:47Second, security.
10:49The US-Russia plan would cap Ukraine's army
10:51at 600,000 personnel at all times.
10:55Europe raises that limit to 800,000 in peacetime only,
11:00giving Kiev the flexibility to scale up if threatened.
11:03Crucially, the Europeans demand a seat on a joint security task force
11:09alongside Ukraine, refusing to let Washington and Moscow decide the continent's fate alone.
11:15Third, territory.
11:17The US-Russia plan accepts occupied Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk regions
11:22as to recognise borders changed by force.
11:28It all leads us to one fundamental question.
11:32Who decides the borders of Europe?
11:34An inviting military force or the European principles of sovereignty?
11:39And for more context on this, we can now bring in our EU news editor, Maria Sayo, back.
11:47Welcome back.
11:48Look, the Kremlin has rejected this European plan,
11:51but there seems to be a bit of cautious optimism in Brussels.
11:54Where do we go from here?
11:54Well, Maeve, no question, because that original 28-point plan
11:58obviously was clearly tilted in Russia's favour.
12:00The issue here, and this is the crux of the matter,
12:03is that what works for Russia does not work for Ukraine,
12:06and what works for Ukraine does not work for Russia.
12:09Nonetheless, this 28-point plan has changed.
12:12We now understand it is 19 points.
12:14The Ukrainians also now, yesterday, President Zelensky just checked this set,
12:18after Geneva, remember they met on Sunday, there are fewer points.
12:22It is no longer 28.
12:23Many correct considerations have been taken into account,
12:27but there is a lot of work that needs to be done,
12:29and it will be difficult to produce a final document.
12:32So, obviously, what we see here is that the Ukrainians now believe
12:36they have managed to insert some of their demands.
12:39There is speculation that President Trump and President Zelensky
12:42could meet in America this week.
12:45There is no date for it.
12:46This would be for the critical political points.
12:49And then, of course, it does also seem that this deadline for Thursday
12:52has somewhat eased.
12:54And that's, of course, indeed good news.
12:55And just briefly, the Coalition of the Willing will be gathering today.
12:58What are your expectations for their meetings?
13:00Well, Coalition of the Willing, and, of course, a reminder for our viewers,
13:03this is a group of countries that are supportive of the UK,
13:06some of the EU, but not just led by the UK and France.
13:11They will gather today.
13:13The idea is what else can the Europeans offer and put on the table
13:16to sway this deal in favor of Ukraine.
13:19I was told, however, yesterday by a diplomat,
13:22it seems that things are moving better.
13:24There is less panic compared to a week ago,
13:26but also something very important.
13:28The Europeans believe that this plan, the 28-point plan,
13:32as it was done, is over.
13:34And this is not a static negotiation.
13:36It can improve.
13:37So, indeed, cautious optimism.
13:38And, of course, this topic will be dominating MEPs
13:41while they gather as well in Strasbourg this week.
13:43And, Maria, today, you'll be in Strasbourg as well for us tomorrow.
13:45So we look forward for your update then.
13:47But now, this does bring this edition of Europe Today to an end.
13:50Thank you so much for tuning in.
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14:01And I'll be back tomorrow morning here on Euronews.
14:03See you then.
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