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Europe Today: Οι εμπορικές διαπραγματεύσεις ΕΕ-ΗΠΑ στο «μικροσκόπιο» της Μ. Βεστάγκερ
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Europe Today: Οι εμπορικές διαπραγματεύσεις ΕΕ-ΗΠΑ στο «μικροσκόπιο» της Μ. Βεστάγκερ
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00:00
Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE
00:30
Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE
01:00
It was the first time that European officials and U.S. officials got together face-to-face in Brussels since the trade deal was agreed in July.
01:09
Remember, the European Union now faces 15% tariffs.
01:12
The Americans have tripled tariffs on European goods.
01:16
So yesterday, the Europeans made a point to the Americans that they want to see a form of relief, better quotas and exemptions.
01:25
Of course, when you look at specific items, steel, aluminium, the tariffs are 50%.
01:30
This is huge. It is a problem for the European Union.
01:35
Now, the flip side, of course, is the Americans argue not so fast.
01:37
We want to see a faster implementation of the deal we agreed in July, which got a lot of heat for Ursula von der Leyen.
01:43
They want to see those commitments when it comes to buying the weapons, the energy and the digital rules.
01:49
This is always a sticking point.
01:51
Not just Trump, every U.S. administration, but the Trump administration is more aggressive.
01:56
And they argue we want to see much more soft, lenient implementation of the rules.
02:01
And that's why the digital rules, of course, they were the elephant in the room yesterday over those talks.
02:05
How severe is this pressure on the EU to change the rules?
02:08
Look, absolutely.
02:09
Because, again, going back to this question of the steel and aluminium, the Europeans want to see better terms on that 50% tariff.
02:16
The Americans have argued that perhaps they can debate.
02:20
But first, they want to see a softer implementation of these digital rules, which, of course, for the EU are key.
02:26
But I just want to play you for one second a comment yesterday on the red carpet.
02:30
Euronews was there.
02:31
Jamie Greer, he is the U.S. Commerce Ambassador.
02:34
Let's take a look.
02:36
The United States has had significant concerns for many years about the Digital Markets Act and similar legislation in the EU.
02:43
Many times the thresholds are set to the extent that it's nearly only U.S. companies that are captured.
02:49
The enforcement is quite aggressive at times.
02:52
It becomes, you know, complying with the law can become challenging.
02:56
Sometimes our companies feel like the goalposts are moved.
02:59
The fines can be quite large.
03:01
We know that the European Union, that these laws are important to them.
03:04
We just want to make sure we're controlling for our companies that have global business models,
03:09
that their global revenues aren't affected,
03:11
and a variety of other things that perhaps could be modified to help accommodate their concerns and ours.
03:17
And that was Jamie Sun-Greer, the U.S. Trade Representative.
03:20
Maeve, that kind of language on a red carpet with the U.S. Trade Commissioner there,
03:25
but also the Europeans next to him.
03:26
That was very aggressive.
03:28
This is not a very polite thing to say when you're meeting and you're being hosted by someone else.
03:32
But, of course, they are making a very clear point.
03:34
They want to see the implementation change,
03:37
and they want to see American companies act in a way that they argue would be fair to their revenues.
03:43
The problem for the Europeans, of course, is that this goes beyond trade.
03:46
This is now about the legislation and the rule of the EU.
03:50
You could argue there is a form of political interference.
03:53
And yesterday, a U.S. official and a European official told me,
03:56
we see this are two completely different negotiations.
03:58
Steel is one thing.
03:59
The digital rules are a different thing.
04:01
Okay, Maria Tadeo.
04:03
Euronews' EU Editor, thank you so much for all those details.
04:06
And, of course, for more on that story,
04:07
you can find specialised reports by our EU news team
04:10
and, of course, our trade reporter, Peggy Corlin, on Euronews.com.
04:13
But for now, coming up, we'll be joined by Margarethe Vesteyer,
04:17
the former EU competition commissioner that President Trump used to call the tax lady,
04:23
known as one of the main trailblazers of the EU's landmark digital rulebook
04:27
and also for having inspired the famous Danish TV show Borgen.
04:30
The Danish liberal politician spent two terms in Brussels.
04:34
She was also a government minister back home,
04:36
a deputy prime minister and a party leader.
04:38
So, Margarethe Vesteyer, thank you so much for joining us this morning
04:43
on Europe Today from Copenhagen.
04:45
Lovely to have you with us.
04:46
It's such a pleasure to be with you.
04:48
Thank you very much for having me.
04:50
So, look, you were listening to Maria Tadeo there on set.
04:52
The message yesterday, cut your digital rules for lower EU or US steel tariffs.
04:57
Are the Americans cornering the Europeans here, do you think?
05:01
Well, these are two completely different discussions.
05:04
One is steel and aluminium.
05:05
It has been going on for years.
05:07
The second one is about how do we live with technology?
05:11
Because promises were made to Europeans that digital services would be safe to use,
05:17
just like any other product or service,
05:19
and that the market actually would be open for competition
05:22
so that we can get new products and services.
05:25
This is not crazy.
05:27
This is not against anyone.
05:29
This is normal.
05:30
This is what you would ask in a normal market.
05:32
But how would you be handling this if you were still in office?
05:35
We can see a lot of your work being undone here, the work that you put in place.
05:38
Well, I see that the Commission is continuing the work done because promises were made to Europeans.
05:47
You know, when one discusses, for instance, the Dintra Services Act,
05:50
this is a very sort of simple piece of legislation just asking companies who are on our hands,
05:57
in our devices every day for their products to be safe to use.
06:01
And, of course, what the DMA is asking is that you do not misuse your market power,
06:07
but, you know, that you have a competitive market.
06:09
You know, actually, this is everything that you could ask for.
06:13
And actually, you do see some of the U.S. states pushing for some of the same things
06:18
because it is absolutely essential that you can trust also the digital services
06:23
that most of us are using every day.
06:25
But that is not how the Americans see it.
06:27
Do you think this could be the beginning of the end of the so-called Brussels effect,
06:31
where the EU has been setting global standards?
06:33
Now it could be the United States.
06:36
Well, we should not be setting global standards.
06:39
We set standards for ourselves because we have a long, long, long tradition
06:43
of making sure that protection of consumers goes hand in hand with innovation.
06:48
That has been the goal.
06:49
And actually, that has been achieved.
06:51
If you see how that digital market is changing and more and more also European companies,
06:57
they need to be able to reach their customers and not being kept out by gatekeepers.
07:02
And how do you strike that balance, though?
07:04
That is, of course, the problem.
07:06
So that innovation can thrive and we also can have strong regulation.
07:11
Well, innovation thrives when you see that I want to solve a problem,
07:15
not just I want to produce another service.
07:19
And when you look at the European ecosystem, when it comes to everything digital,
07:23
we have very strong entrepreneurs.
07:25
We have very strong innovation.
07:27
The thing is that we do not make sure that they have a market.
07:30
And the Digital Markets Act is exactly about this,
07:34
making sure that it's your ideas, your work ethic, the people on your team
07:38
that gives you a fair chance of getting to the market.
07:41
We've been discussing this with the Americans ever since I took office.
07:44
This is not new.
07:45
What is news is that we actually deliver it to Europeans as promised.
07:49
But did you over-regulate during your term?
07:53
Well, I see in the omnibus proposal just tabled
07:58
that there are actually some quite pragmatic, sensible simplifications
08:03
when it comes, for instance, to cookies,
08:06
when it comes to when to implement and how to enforce the AI Act.
08:11
And I think that is really important because, of course, you can always do better.
08:14
But one thing is important, and that is that we have promised Europeans
08:19
that their services would be safe to use for their mental health, for their democracy as such.
08:25
And that is, of course, core in any democracy that you stand by the promises made.
08:30
And that U.S.-EU trade deal, Margrethe Veshter, was it a bad deal for Europe?
08:33
I think it was a wise thing not to take the bait and escalate the conflict.
08:40
Of course, some areas are not within that deal.
08:44
But I think in a world like this, some level of predictability is actually worthwhile.
08:49
And we could conclude the single market and kind of make up for the increased tariffs.
08:55
And just what about Ukraine?
08:56
That is, of course, a big story we're keeping a very close eye on.
08:59
This week, what should the Europeans be doing now to make sure they're heard
09:02
in these very important talks, to make sure they have a seat at the table?
09:05
Well, having followed the developments over the last week, you know, I was completely devastated
09:13
when I saw the first U.S. proposal.
09:16
But the negotiations that has been ongoing actually shows that there has been a listening,
09:22
that European concerns and how we have obliged ourselves to peace in our region.
09:30
I think that is a positive development, but so far it's completely impossible.
09:35
to say what comes out of it.
09:36
But I think that the ask to be at the table is completely legitimate.
09:41
OK, Margaret Sivestay.
09:42
Thank you so much for that.
09:43
And I hope you can join us next time here in the studio when you're passing through Brussels.
09:48
But now, as you heard...
09:48
Would be my pleasure.
09:49
As you heard now, Ukraine's future is still unsure after the Kremlin said that the European
09:54
counterproposal does not work.
09:56
Leaders from the Coalition of the Willing, i.e. Ukraine's allies, will be gathering today
10:00
via video call.
10:01
Our reporters, Jakob Yanis and Jorge Lebrero, have been comparing the various proposals on
10:06
the table.
10:10
Bypassing Brussels, Washington presented a 28-point blueprint directly negotiated with Moscow
10:16
to put an end to Russia's all-out war against Ukraine.
10:20
Europe has now responded.
10:22
A side-by-side comparison reveals three fundamental differences.
10:26
What are they?
10:26
First, money.
10:29
The U.S.-Russia plan would unblock the frozen Russian assets to create two investment vehicles,
10:34
with Washington taking half the profits from the Ukraine's reconstruction fund.
10:38
The European plan insists that the assets must remain frozen until Russia fully compensates
10:44
Ukraine for the destruction.
10:46
Second, security.
10:48
The U.S.-Russia plan would cap Ukraine's army at 600,000 personnel at all times.
10:55
Europe raises that limit to 800,000 in peacetime only, giving Kiev the flexibility to scale
11:02
up if threatened.
11:04
Crucially, the Europeans demand a seat on a joint security task force alongside Ukraine,
11:10
refusing to let Washington and Moscow decide the continent's fate alone.
11:15
Third, territory.
11:16
The U.S.-Russia plan accepts occupied Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk regions as...
11:25
to recognise borders changed by force.
11:28
It all leads us to one fundamental question.
11:32
Who decides the borders of Europe?
11:34
An inviting military force?
11:36
Or the European principles of sovereignty?
11:39
And for more context on this, we can now bring in our EU news editor Maria today.
11:47
Oh, back.
11:47
Welcome back.
11:48
Look, the Kremlin has rejected this European plan, but there seems to be a bit of cautious
11:52
optimism in Brussels.
11:54
Where do we go from here?
11:54
Well, Maeve, no question, because that original 28-point plan obviously was clearly tilted in
11:59
Russia's favour.
12:00
However, the issue here, and this is the crux of the matter, is that what works for Russia
12:04
does not work for Ukraine, and what works for Ukraine does not work for Russia.
12:09
Nonetheless, this 28-point plan has changed.
12:12
We now understand it is 19 points.
12:14
The Ukrainians also now...
12:16
Yesterday, President Zelenskyy just checked this set.
12:18
After Geneva, remember, they met on Sunday.
12:21
There are fewer points.
12:22
It is no longer 28.
12:23
Many correct considerations have been taken into account, but there is a lot of work that
12:28
needs to be done, and it will be difficult to produce a final document.
12:32
So obviously, what we see here is that the Ukrainians now believe they have managed to
12:37
insert some of their demands.
12:39
There is speculation that President Trump and President Zelenskyy could meet in America
12:44
this week.
12:45
There is no date for it.
12:46
This would be for the critical political points.
12:49
And then, of course, it does also seem that this deadline for Thursday has somewhat
12:53
out east.
12:54
And that's, of course, indeed good news.
12:55
And just briefly, the Coalition of the Willing will be gathering today.
12:58
What are your expectations for their meetings?
13:00
Well, Coalition of the Willing, and of course, a reminder for our viewers, this is a group
13:04
of countries that are supportive of the UK, some of the EU, but not just led by the UK
13:09
and France.
13:11
They will gather today.
13:13
The idea is what else can the Europeans offer and put on the table to sway this deal in favour
13:18
of Ukraine.
13:19
I was told, however, yesterday by a diplomat, it seems that things are moving better.
13:24
There is less panic compared to a week ago, but also something very important.
13:29
The Europeans believe that this plan, the 28-point plan, as it was done, is over.
13:33
And this is not a static negotiation.
13:36
It can improve.
13:37
So indeed, cautious optimism.
13:38
And of course, this topic will be dominating MEPs while they gather as well in Strasbourg
13:42
this week.
13:43
And Maria, today, you'll be in Strasbourg as well for us tomorrow.
13:45
So we look forward for your update then.
13:47
But now, this does bring this edition of Europe Today to an end.
13:50
Thank you so much for tuning in.
13:52
For more news and analysis, do take a look at euronews.com or keep an eye on our social
13:56
media networks.
13:57
You can also check out our new formats, The Ring and 12 Minutes With, on Euronews.
14:01
And I'll be back tomorrow morning here on Euronews.
14:03
See you then.
14:04
See you then.
14:25
Ωραία.
14:55
Ωραία.
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