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Join us LIVE as we unpack the truth behind Miss Universe 2025—from judging controversies and pageant politics to candidate preparation and the real influence of camps and sponsors.
We’re joined by Michelle Padayhag, renowned Q&A coach and respected pageant mentor, to break down what really happened behind the scenes and what this means for the future of pageantry.
Don’t miss this deep, insightful discussion!
We’re joined by Michelle Padayhag, renowned Q&A coach and respected pageant mentor, to break down what really happened behind the scenes and what this means for the future of pageantry.
Don’t miss this deep, insightful discussion!
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01:00I'm DJ Moises.
01:02Today on Beyond the Headlines, we shift our focus to the world of pageantry, specifically Miss Universe 2025.
01:10Joining us live as we unpack the truth behind this year's competition, from judging controversies and pageant politics,
01:17to candidate preparation and the real influence of camps and sponsors.
01:23We are joined by Michelle Padayhag, renowned Q&A coach and respected pageant mentor,
01:29who will help us break down what really happened behind the scenes and what these developments mean for the future of pageantry.
01:38Good afternoon, Michelle.
01:41Hello. Good afternoon, Sir Moises. How are you?
01:44Hello, sir.
01:45So, I understand that you are in Manila right now?
01:49Yes. I just arrived from Thailand. I was in Thailand since November 16 because I had seven girls for Miss Universe and I just came back last November 23.
02:00This, then you definitely, you are definitely the perfect person to have this conversation with, no?
02:07Because as, while Visayas is being drenched by the rains of Typhoon Verbena, I think our social media is also being drenched by updates,
02:18by disappointments, and some heated conversations about the recently concluded Miss Universe.
02:23But before we dive into those, I'd just like to also get to know you better because I know that you're a journalist and also a PR practitioner.
02:33So, what made you decide to shift into pageantry?
02:39Okay, Sir. So, since elementary, I already have that passion for pageantry. I watch pageant already.
02:44I don't know if you remember Anna Marisigpit. So, growing up, I really witnessed her pageant journey.
02:51So, when I ended my stint from the media in 2019, I realized that I still wanted to become a storyteller.
02:58So, I decided to create my own team. It's called Quick Thoughts.
03:03Cool. So, for how long have you been, or Quick Thoughts, for how long is it in pageantry already?
03:10So, formally, Sir. Quick Thoughts was established in 2023, but I started mentoring since 2020.
03:18That's the time of Rabia Mateo for Miss Universe Philippines and Nicole Borromeo for Miss Millennial Philippines.
03:26Wow. So, they really are the main title holders of their time.
03:31So, given your experiences in various pageant organizations, whether inside the Philippines or outside the Philippines,
03:40what makes Miss Universe different from all the other pageants?
03:45Of course, Miss Universe is really celebrated platform, Sir Moises, because first, the fans are really invested.
03:53Second, it's like we always say that Miss Universe is like the most popular pageant in a sense that every girl should really prepare.
04:01Not just in their country, but they travel around the world in terms of its preparation.
04:07And third, of course, like let's talk about, like let's be honest, the popularity.
04:11Like the reach of Miss Universe, it's quite different.
04:14So, it's been in the pageant industry for quite some time.
04:18That's why it's always a girl's dream or a pageant personality or a beauty queen to join Miss Universe.
04:25Now, for a lot of us, we just see the pageant on the day itself or they call that the coronation day or the coronation night.
04:36But how much actually happens in a pageant system before coronation night?
04:44Okay, so if you're trying to check their schedules, like they started or they arrived by November 2.
04:51So, technically, the girls had three weeks.
04:54So, in this edition, they moved from Bangkok, Phuket, Pattaya.
04:58And it's not, yeah, I agree, Sir, it's not just all about the coronation.
05:02But the girls really had to undergo, like for example, preliminary competition, the national costume, swimsuit, evening gown.
05:09They also had their preliminary interviews.
05:12And aside from that, they also had like gala diners.
05:15So, a lot of things that happened.
05:18So, technically, like that's why I shared on my social media that it's not just all about the coronation that you should consider and check in this edition.
05:28Like a lot of things that happened.
05:29So, like among the things also that happen behind the scenes are also the influences of certain personalities and people.
05:39So, let's start with national directors and organizations.
05:43How influential are they in shaping the journey of a contestant?
05:48Of course, the role of the national director is very important because, you know, the national director's job is to really promote and to market the candidate.
05:56That's why four days before the coronation, so there's what we call as the national director's meeting.
06:04Okay, so they were given updates, like how it's being done, the process.
06:09So, it's really like an advantage, Sir, if you have your national director with you because your national director will be giving you like, you know, additional tips on how for a candidate to really succeed in the competition.
06:21In this particular edition, we've also seen a certain conflict in the earlier part between the Miss Universe organization and also a couple of contestants.
06:34And if I remember correctly, some of them even walked out, including the reigning Miss Universe at that time.
06:40Did that only happen in this edition, in the 2025 edition, or something similar already has happened in the past?
06:48It's so sad, Sir. Like, this edition started with a controversy and ended with another one.
06:55But as far as I remember, this edition has the most number of controversies.
07:01But I hope that this will be fixed soon.
07:03So, in previous years, like, I didn't encounter such because I've already been mentoring Miss Universe candidates since 2020.
07:10So, this is the first time that I encountered such.
07:15And then there were, there are also rumors that are circulating that the top 30 or the top, after the top 30, top 10, no?
07:24Yeah, the top 30 or the top 10, they already knew about it even weeks in advance, no?
07:32So, is this, can, okay, I cannot also ask you whether this is true or false, but can something like this really happen?
07:41So, honestly, Sir, like, four days or, I know, on November 16, like, one of my candidates really, like, shared about this.
07:50Because, you know, like, sometimes social media is quite, like, deceiving.
07:55So, she opened up that time, but I told her that let's wait for the preliminary because I still, I'm still giving the benefit of the doubt, right?
08:04It's very important at the same time to also give the right mindset to the candidate so that she won't overthink, okay?
08:10So, I didn't know if there's such thing like pre-selecting of 30 candidates.
08:17But what I remember is that Raul, the president of Miss Universe, like, when the controversy started during the first week of the competition,
08:25he emphasized that the evaluation for the Miss Universe 2025 candidates would include, like, for example,
08:33they closed their interview, the prelims, like the NatKos swimsuit and the evening gown.
08:39So, that time when there were rumors already, so the NatKos competition or the preliminary didn't happen yet.
08:47So, yeah, that's it.
08:49Yeah, because I also, at least with my limited network, I knew also that one of the preliminary judges even said that the top 30 was already sealed
09:00and the preliminary competition did not even start yet.
09:04True.
09:04So, like, that's why I think up until now, if you could check on social media, like, the battle between, you know, that resigned judge and the organization continues.
09:14And yes, I hope that this will be fixed soon.
09:17Like, of course, it might question the organization's credibility.
09:21That's why after the competition, like, there are a lot of girls that really, you know, like, share their sentiments
09:27and even some of them, like, resigned from their titles.
09:31So, if we take out the controversy and the rumors that are circulating around,
09:37how does the integrity of the judging, how is it, on a happy path now,
09:42how is it normally safeguarded to prevent incidents such as this?
09:47Yeah, that's why, okay, that's why there's a judge after the competition, like, really raised this thing that
09:54why there's, like, no, like, accounting or, like, you know, checking of the scores.
10:00Like, most of the time, like, if the scores are in, like, they would really tell,
10:05okay, like, this has been, like, confirmed by a certain firm, right?
10:09But it didn't happen that time, allegedly.
10:13And maybe, like, they're considering of the airtime of the Miss Universe, like,
10:17because if you try to check also on the live stream, I think they only have two hours.
10:22But how I wish, like, how I wish that if talking about the integrity of the competition,
10:27like, I would really love to see judges that don't have, like, you know, like, connection of candidates
10:33or maybe they can choose well, like, judges that don't have conflict of interest
10:39because, honestly, like, I would also feel the same maybe with the candidates that, you know,
10:46you will start to question the integrity if there are, like, you know, conflict of interest
10:50that's happening inside the organization.
10:53And first, it will be, like, prevented or it will be stopped if they would rather choose, like,
10:57people outside, you know, from the pageant industry to, like, maybe, like, half.
11:01Like, half would be coming from the pageant industry and half from the academe, right?
11:05However, like, most of them are coming from the entertainment industry.
11:09So, I also noticed that at least back in the past, the scores of the contestants can be seen on screen.
11:18So, why was that taken out?
11:20And is it coming back?
11:23That I don't know because I think that's also part of the production, right?
11:27Because this year, like, it's the production of Miss Universe is being taken care of Papanawa from MGI.
11:33So, maybe there might be changes this year.
11:36So, it really depends on how the organization and the host country agreed for that part.
11:42But I agree.
11:43Of that part, also, that segment, so that scores, right, are being seen on the screen.
11:49So, at least that the fans, at the same time, will know, ah, okay, this is the current standing of the candidates that we're supporting.
11:56And then it also protects the integrity because the scores are transparent.
12:01So, if somebody's playing with the scores, it becomes visible right there and then.
12:06Yeah, I agree.
12:07I agree.
12:07Now, you've mentioned earlier that some title, how do you call that, placers or other misses already started to resign from either their title representing their country or the place that they earned during the pageant.
12:29And then the latest of which is, okay, I have to make sure that I pronounce this correctly, no?
12:35Cote de Voix, no?
12:36Hi.
12:36Who resigned as a fourth runner-up and Miss Universe, Africa, and Oceana, no?
12:42So, given all these developments, at what point does a pageant, we can really say that a pageant has already lost its credibility?
12:54Sorry, sir, like, it cut off.
12:56Sorry, sorry.
12:57So, for developments such as this one, and I think they still continue to unravel, no, as the days unfold.
13:03So, at what point can we say that, oh, this pageant has already lost its credibility?
13:10Okay, so, like, to be fair with other pageants, sir, like, we still stick with our core values.
13:16Like, it's just very unfortunate that some pageants also have to evolve, right, for survival reasons, right?
13:24But, yeah, that's the thing that I also tell with my mentee, sir, Darwish, that when you join a pageant,
13:31you have to make sure that it stick with your core values because anything is unpredictable.
13:38Or sometimes pageants can be unpredictable, like Miss Universe.
13:40That's why now, like, before we invest or before we, like, continue training with them, like, we have to make sure that, okay, are you really decided to push through with this pageant or not?
13:53Because if there are really certain points or, you know, like, things that will happen in the future that might not align with your values.
14:02But, of course, there are still international pageants that are still, you know, like, intact in terms of integrity.
14:12Yeah.
14:12So, and for sure, you know, that's for Darwish.
14:14These are major pageants also.
14:16So, for Miss Universe then, and you've mentioned the evolution, what does Miss Universe represent at this time then compared to what it used to represent in the past?
14:30So, honestly, it's all about influence, power, business.
14:36Like, let's be honest with that.
14:37So, it's all about these three.
14:39Before, like, we take a look, like, for example, like, the beauty, like, the purpose, right, or the overall package of the candidate.
14:47But now it becomes different because in Miss Universe, you have to work with the sponsors.
14:51So, prior to the major events of the Miss Universe 2025, you can also check with the Miss Universe Thailand's page that they work with several, like, sponsors.
15:04They had shoots.
15:05So, now it has evolved.
15:07So, now it becomes different.
15:09It's more into, like, bankability.
15:11So, that's why business comes in, power, influence, because that's how, also, pageants survive.
15:20So, now let's go to the result of the recently concluded Miss Universe 2025.
15:29Some reels showed that the crowd would, you know, enchanted cooking show when Miss Mexico won.
15:38So, what does that tell us about how the public is, public's perception of, at the moment, of who the winner is?
15:48So, I really respect how people or the public also, like, you know, like, share their sentiments about the results.
15:56And maybe, like, they're just trying to also not think of that time that maybe the, like, the results would be, like, the basis for the results would be, like, for the Q&A, right?
16:06However, I also shared on my Facebook account, sir, that, as I said before, that it's really unpredictable.
16:14The moment that the girls, their top five were called, I really said to myself that anyone could win.
16:20So, maybe, like, there would be, like, judges factor.
16:24But, again, like, it's all about how the organization sees that point.
16:28Like, who is the girl that fits working with them?
16:32So, just in case, you were one of the judges, no?
16:37In your opinion, did the top two, so I'm referring to Mexico and Thailand, reflect the Miss Universe standards?
16:44Or did politics overshadow their performance?
16:48Okay, so, honestly, I have, like, high hopes for Vina to win.
16:58Because I like her since, like, even before, like, for eight years already, I really like Vina.
17:05But in terms of, like, the performance itself, like, I was really, like, rooting for quantitative, not for the top two.
17:15But, of course, right, like, to be fair, also, again, although Vina and Mexico really, like, delivered, like, maybe that time, it was Cota de Vore Ivory Coast that really, like, you know, like, I remember her because of her iconic lines that she delivered.
17:32And aside from that, in terms of being consistent, like, I always, it's very important for her to be consistent in pageants, right?
17:39Like, from the beginning up until the end, like, from the campaigns, from the performances, I always see Ivory Coast or Olivia or Cota de Vore, who really been so consistent from day one.
17:51And, yeah, even Vina, at first, like, she did great in the first few days of the competition.
17:58But in the second week, like, I felt like the campaign was not that much up until that she was able to recover during the prelims.
18:07For Mexico, like, I've seen her personally.
18:10She's so beautiful, honestly, like, very beautiful.
18:13But I think that maybe the organization or the judges, I was actually waiting for some judges to speak up.
18:21But, however, nothing much yet from their end, like, official statements, but maybe they see something with Miss Mexico that we haven't seen.
18:31That's why closed-door interviews are very important.
18:34So, who knows, right, that Miss Mexico was able to deliver more during the closed-door interviews.
18:40So, it's like a cumulative scores, actually.
18:44So, yeah, that's it.
18:45So, whoever wins, I have high respect for the organization to Miss Mexico.
18:50And I hope that she can be able to, you know, like, do her job well, especially with all the bastards right now.
18:58So, I know it's so hard, especially for someone's mental health, right?
19:03Like, everyone is judging you.
19:04And I hope that she can still, like, able to prove herself after all.
19:08What about Miss Philippines?
19:11Of course!
19:12So, even if I had seven girls, I feel for Atisa, right?
19:16So, maybe it wasn't just, like, the luck wasn't on her side.
19:21Like, I really believe that part, sir, like, at the end of the day, even if how prepared you are as a candidate,
19:27even if you delivered so much, if luck wasn't on your side, then, like, good results.
19:33And how I wish, like, you know, like, we're also rooting for the Philippines, like, after Catriona Gray, right?
19:38Like, so, yeah, it's all about luck because I've seen her performance.
19:43Like, I really like Atisa's gown, the consistency also from the beginning.
19:47And in terms of the Q&A, she was able to answer also, like, on-point answer, although there are other girls, like, right, who also delivered well.
19:58But, yes, still all about luck.
19:59No, speaking of luck, so I don't know if this is good luck or bad luck, so it depends on how you answer this.
20:07So, how common is it?
20:08So, I'm not referring to Miss Universe anymore, but pageantry in general.
20:12How common is it for a winner to face controversy right after being crowned?
20:22It's only common if, like, for example...
20:25Oh, my God.
20:29Yeah, so, of course, it's only common if people really see that you don't perform.
20:35Like, for example, in the eyes of the public, they always see that you're a rightful winner
20:39if you really perform right from the prelims to finals.
20:43However, yeah, at the end of the day, as what I also shared earlier, there are really other factors to consider, too.
20:50And I hope that the public also understand.
20:53In which I also feel them, why they have to say that.
20:57Because we always think that pageantry is all about women empowerment, right?
21:02And, of course, like, pageants have evolved, so now it's, like, a different thing.
21:06So, you've mentioned about anything can happen, no?
21:13And pageantry is already a different thing, no?
21:16So, currently, in the current situation, is it true that organizations,
21:21and this is pageantry in general, sometimes protect or push certain candidates
21:27because of sponsorship, alliances, or national director relationships?
21:34Mm-hmm.
21:36That, I can't confirm.
21:39But for sure, like, if we try to also check, like, not just in the Philippines, like, yeah,
21:44in general, like, most of the girls really have this, like, good relationship with the sponsors
21:50because that doesn't mean it's a personal relationship.
21:53But the sponsors can see that this girl can work for them.
21:57Like, it's very important to see hardworking queens as well, right?
22:00Because at the end of the day, like, the organization or the pageant organization
22:05also needs help from the business side in terms of, you know, like, survival
22:10and how to make sure that the pageant will run through the years.
22:15Now, speaking of sponsorship and influence, we can also say clout, no?
22:21So, how, what's the worth of the Miss Philippines sash, no, in international pageantry?
22:29Oh, my gosh, so popular.
22:31Like, you know, Miss Philippines, like, if you wear the sash of the Philippines,
22:35like, there's, like, high expectation, right?
22:39That's why if you try to review also previous Miss Philippines or representatives from the Philippines,
22:45just like in Miss Universe, like, they're always part of the sponsor shoots.
22:49Because in Miss Universe, it's not, like, not all can take part of the sponsorship
22:54because they have to consider the number of candidates.
22:57Like, for example, this brand, they will only choose, like, 15 to 20 girls.
23:01So, Miss Philippines or the sash of the Philippines is strong, you know, we call it sash factor, right?
23:07And it's actually an advantage because, again, like, you know,
23:11considering the business landscape also that the Philippines has.
23:14What makes the Philippines, then, a powerhouse country, no?
23:21In the world of pageantry?
23:23Okay.
23:24Philippines, like, they say, like, there are three Bs in the Philippines, like, beauty, boxing.
23:34Like, that includes, like, beauty, boxing, and the pageantry side, right?
23:37So, like, the reason that why we call this powerhouse is because Philippines really invest too much in terms of preparation.
23:45Like, for example, a candidate who aims to join national pageants, like, it's not just, like, a one-week or two-week preparation.
23:53Like, if one likes to join, it's all about preparing, like, three months or even a year, more than a year.
23:58Like, Atisa, right?
23:59After she joined Bini Bini Pilipinas, she already started her preparation as she eyed for Miss Universe.
24:06And that's what makes us powerhouse in a sense that we prepared our candidates so much.
24:10And at the same time, we always study the platform that the girls are joining.
24:14That's why in the international competition, when they see Philippines, they always say,
24:19my God, these girls are so prepared.
24:21So, yeah, so, you mentioned also about the sash factor and other biases.
24:29So, aside from sash factor, what other forms of bias among judges that the public do not see?
24:38Okay.
24:40Hmm.
24:41Like, maybe the hard work of the girls.
24:46Like, they only see that when you join pageants, like, it's all about, you know, wearing the, like, wearing the heels, the gowns.
24:56But they don't see that it really takes time to become a beauty queen.
25:00And hopefully, like, you know, the judges and even the public can also understand that point, too.
25:05So, now let's shift the conversation with respect to the space in which maybe some of our viewers are thinking about joining pageantry, no?
25:19Or maybe they have children that they also want them to pursue pageantry.
25:24Just in case they are considering the pageant space, what should be the very first step that an aspiring beauty queen should take before joining any pageant?
25:37You should have that reflection.
25:40Because joining, like, pageant is never an easy one.
25:45Like, at some point when you're in the pageant industry already, you will really question, like, your purpose and your worth, honestly.
25:51And after that kind of reflection, then you also have to check if your values really align in this industry, right?
26:00And after that, if you think, like, you're really in for this industry and if you also want to grow or if you want to, you know, step outside of your comfort zone, then after that, you take trainings.
26:12It's very important to really have trainings or to undergo trainings because, of course, like, it's really a different thing if you're really prepared when you compete.
26:22But, of course, like, it takes a lot of resources as well for that.
26:26Now, some of these would-be beauty queens, they also do not have that much resources.
26:32So, they may not be able to join camps.
26:36So, how can you suggest, you know, in terms of how they can start on their own?
26:42So, honestly, like, yeah, it's true that camps are really popular in the Philippines.
26:47Like, most of our major titles are being produced by the camps.
26:51But if you don't have much resources, then you can do collaboration, honestly.
26:55Like, there are still mentors who are still open for collaboration.
27:00But, yes, there are also candidates that really want, like, for example, investing too much.
27:06But if you're the type of candidate who doesn't have much resources, then at least find the right person who can help you, right?
27:13Because at the end of the day, like, for example, if you affiliate yourself to someone, like, who only thinks about money, then money will always be an issue, even or during the competition.
27:26What about designers?
27:28So, what is your tip for them, you know, in terms of still looking competitive on stage, you know?
27:35Okay, so, of course, I have high respect for how these designers create their pieces and have worked with a lot of popular designers in the country.
27:45Like, for example, Rian Fernandez, right?
27:49So, Rian Fernandez is, like, I really look up to him so much.
27:52And second, like, Patrick Isorena for the National Costume.
27:57So, in terms of tips, like…
27:59How can a pageant nobody approach them?
28:02Yeah.
28:04Like, for example, like, ako, I'm very, like, ma'am.
28:08If I see my candidate, like, very potential and at the same time, like, really wanting to work with them, so I really make a way to introduce them to these people and maybe ask for, like, you know, like, collab in the future.
28:24Because maybe if they have candidates too that we can work on, then I can also give my services for free.
28:29Like, yeah, like, there are also situations or circumstances like that.
28:33But it really depends also of, you know, like, the agreement within.
28:39Like, it's…
28:40Like, we experienced that before.
28:42Like, I have a candidate, like, who also wants to work with them and same as them who also wants to work with us.
28:48So, we just agree we meet halfway.
28:51Now, for the pageants, the major pageants in Cebu.
28:55So, let's start in Cebu.
28:56How far in advance should a candidate prepare?
29:00Just the major pageants in Cebu.
29:02In fairness, ha?
29:03Like, in Cebu, girls are now preparing, like, in the nationals.
29:08Like, that…
29:08Yeah, that is something that I really observe.
29:10Even if they're just joining in the, like, the town pageant, like, they really see it like they're already preparing for the national pageant.
29:18That's why, like, some of the girls that we've worked with, like, they prepare, like, three to four or five months.
29:25This is for the local pageant?
29:28Yeah, local pageant.
29:29That's why I'm very impressed.
29:31And that's why…
29:32That's the thing also that is an advantage in Cebu.
29:35Like, if you try to check the…
29:37Like, for example, in the national pageant, if they see someone who's representing Cebu, they will really say,
29:43Oh, this girl or this representative is so prepared as well.
29:46Because even in the barangay pageants in Cebu, like, we really take it seriously.
29:51I don't know why.
29:53Yeah, like, it's really now part of our culture.
29:56Beauty pageant has been part of our culture already.
29:59So, Cebu is also a powerhouse in a national space, no?
30:05Like, in, kung sa Tagalog pa or in the Filipino line, they always say,
30:10Lapag-Cebu, kinakabahan talaga kami.
30:12Because, eh, very prepared talaga, which is true, which is true.
30:16And it's been evident also that Cebu has been able to produce beauty queens like, for example,
30:22Villagones, Tracy, right?
30:24Like, even Gabi.
30:25Like, there are many Cebuanas already that made a mark in the national pageant.
30:31So, it's not a question, like, when they see Cebu Sash.
30:36That's why whoever, like, wishes to really represent Cebu soon, they really have to prepare a lot.
30:43And then, yes, you've mentioned the word prepare and preparation a lot in the course of the interview.
30:50But part of the preparation is also investment or cost.
30:54So, now let's start with the local pageants, no, major titles in Cebu.
30:59How much does it cost, no?
31:01And this is in the context of telling our viewers, just in case they want to join,
31:05how much money do they need to prepare?
31:08Okay, let's talk about, okay, first, local.
31:10Okay, if they will consider it, for example, Pasarela, Q&A, the wardrobe, okay?
31:16The wardrobe includes not just the evening gown, but also, like, for example, the closer interview and the prior events, right?
31:25So, and let's also include the votings.
31:28I'm voting good.
31:29Okay, there are now municipal or town pageants or city pageants in Cebu that open to voting.
31:35So, like, maybe like 300.
31:38That's for local, no?
31:40Yeah, local.
31:41Because, like, you still have to consider your makeup artist, right?
31:44So, you don't just tell your makeup artist, thank you.
31:48If I like, imagine, like, in a town or city pageant, it runs, like, for example, two to three months.
31:55Sometimes, maybe, like, the shortest duration, like, one month.
31:58So, yeah, 200,000 or 300.
32:01How about for a national pageant?
32:05For a national pageant, oh, my God.
32:08But, like, for example, if a national pageant runs, like...
32:15No, I think something went wrong with her internet.
32:25Yeah, anyhow, well, Joy is eventually, or Michelle is going to rejoin us having given her technical issue.
32:34But I think we've covered quite a good space, the amount of data in the previous conversation.
32:42So, what I gathered from that conversation with her, and we will still find a way for her to get back in so that we can continue with the conversation.
32:48But at least from what I gathered in what she's saying, the pageants have already evolved.
32:54So, like, she specifically mentioned Biz Universe.
32:56It's already now about business.
32:59It's now about power, no?
33:01So, for those who are interested to eventually buy for the Biz Universe title, at least from my understanding of what you just said,
33:08this is more than just body, no?
33:10Or this is just more than beauty.
33:12This is already about business also.
33:14So, it's important for contestants to already prepare their social media presence and the content that they have online.
33:21Because it looks like influence or clout is an essential part for pageants such as Ms. Universe.
33:27And then, she also highlighted the importance of preparation.
33:32Because they go through several rounds of competition.
33:36Some of these competitions would last for months, no?
33:39So, it's important also for them to have enough preparation.
33:43And part of that preparation, and that's where the conversation was cut off, is also resources.
33:48So, on a local pageant, she said that the budget is around $200,000 to $300,000.
33:53And I'm just curious what's going to be the budget for a national pageant.
33:58I think she's back.
34:00Welcome back.
34:01The internet is quite unstable.
34:03Okay.
34:04So, all right.
34:05Let's talk about for the nationals.
34:06Okay.
34:07Hello, I'm not going to be the budget for a national pageant.
34:10Okay.
34:11So, first, let's consider.
34:13Since you're joining national, like, for example, if you're from Cebu,
34:16you have to consider not just your team, but also your accommodation, right?
34:20Not all girls have, like, for example, condominiums, apartments.
34:24So, you have to rent one.
34:26So, for example, in three to four months, like, monthly, ha, na condo, for example, 25.
34:31So, you'll already pay, like, $100,000, di ba?
34:34Then, for your makeup artist, like, your makeup artist should be there, like, daily events.
34:38So, like, some makeup artists, like, of course, like, respectful also with their craft.
34:45Like, some of them really ask, like, $300,000 to $400,000.
34:47Some of them, like, affordable, like, $200,000, $150,000.
34:50It really depends on the number of days that you will be getting them.
34:54Then, of course, the wardrobe, everyday wardrobe, right?
34:57Like, you have to consider at least, like, 30 to 40 to or more than 50 outfits for the entire journey.
35:03Plus, the gown, like, the trainings, their food, the fair, the promotion in terms of your social media platforms, the votings.
35:14That's why some of them really spend, like, more than or close to a million.
35:18Yeah, and I also heard this amount close to that, no?
35:25So, it really takes so much, no?
35:29Yeah.
35:30For one to succeed in a national pageant.
35:33Yes, you were saying?
35:34Yeah, so, you really have to be prepared not just emotionally, mentally, but financially.
35:39Because if you're drained financially, then, you know, like, that's really a challenge for the girls.
35:44Because I've even, like, encountered some girls before that don't have much resources.
35:49But good thing that they have friends, family, or relatives that, you know, like, extended financial help to them.
35:57But how about those candidates that really want to join certain national pageants but don't have much, right?
36:04So, if you're considering to join national pageants, like, starting today, you have to save money.
36:10Like, it's very rare for, like, you know, like, people in the pageant industry to accept, like, for example, free services.
36:19Because, of course, like, three months, it takes three months, four months.
36:23We have to be fair with them as well, right?
36:26They have their own bills to pay.
36:28That's why girls should really, like, consider also paying.
36:31But there are also, like, good people in the industry that they don't give too much in terms of their rates.
36:36Like, for example, okay, as long as you're nice, as long as you stick with the core, as long as you're respectful.
36:41Okay, instead of paying, for example, $100,000, I'm fine that you can pay, like, $100,000.
36:45Like that.
36:46So, you know, it's just a matter of negotiating and doing, like, better arrangements also.
36:51That's why you have to consider the team, okay?
36:55It's not just all about having the best team.
36:58But aside from that, a team that can also help you in terms of considering the financial capacity as a candidate.
37:07Now, we're talking about financial capacity.
37:10So, I'll just have to ask this question because there have been long whispers, no, about benefactors supporting contestants.
37:19How real is this in the Philippine pageant scene?
37:23Okay, although there are rumors, but, of course, like, it's always a personal decision if it's really happening in the industry.
37:31Like, at the end of the day, it's the personal choice of the candidates.
37:35It's also the personal choice of the benefactors, right?
37:38So, although, like, yeah, like, there's some rumors about that.
37:42But, honestly, like, I don't talk too much with that thing with my candidates because I think that it's quite personal.
37:49As long as, first, like, it doesn't damage, like, for example, the reputation publicly.
37:56And at the same time, it doesn't also, like, damage or taint the reputation of the organization.
38:02As long as it's, you know, like, being agreed on well with the both of them, then I have nothing against it.
38:09As long as there's no, for example, like, illegally been doing like that, right?
38:12As long as it's not illegal, then, you know, like, I will not judge these people.
38:17Because, like, of course, again, these are personal stuff.
38:20But that's why how I wish, like, of course, so that these candidates will not go through these things.
38:26Like, it's very important to, like, establish, like, for example, good support system for the girls.
38:33Like, I also understand why there are some, like, based on, like, what we say or what you say.
38:39Like, there are rumors, like, there are some reports, right?
38:42But, again, like, it's not their fault because they know that how expensive pageants also are.
38:50So, I promise I'll get out from this topic, no, but just allow me to pursue it one more, no?
38:57So, how common are inappropriate offers, no, in this space?
39:05It's common ever since, like, maybe before I joined the industry.
39:11Like, there are already some inappropriate offers.
39:14But the good thing is that there are also girls who are so empowered that they decline, right?
39:21And that's also their, like, decision to decline.
39:25And that's a good thing.
39:26But, of course, again, like, you know, some, those who can't decline because of some personal reasons,
39:33then, again, like, I respect them, too.
39:36So, siga, and being true to what I promise, I'll get out from that part of the conversation with the next, no?
39:46So, in the overall, then, I'm getting the impression that pageantry is really intense.
39:53So, how, what does it take for a candidate, for example, to protect her mental health and her well-being while competing?
40:03Okay, you should have, like, a safe space with you.
40:07Your team should be your, you know, safe space because sometimes, like, there are candidates who feel like their team isn't their safe space anymore.
40:17Because, for example, like, there are things that we have to argue at some point.
40:21And at the same time, like, it's very important for mentors and team as well to open, like, mental health, like, sessions.
40:29Like, just like we do, like, in Quick Thoughts, we make sure that we offer mental health classes with our candidates just to help them to go through the entire competition.
40:39Because, again, like, imagine you wake up 5 a.m. or 4 a.m. and you end your day, like, midnight.
40:45So, you only have, like, 4 to 5 hours a day to sleep plus the pressure from the fans, from the activities, like, everything.
40:56So, aside from having, like, for example, a good team support system with you is that it's very important as well to offer such classes to them.
41:05And, actually, it's been, like, helpful.
41:07Like, we've been doing that already for 3 years.
41:11And we're just very grateful that our girls also are very open to us, very important.
41:17And make sure that you also don't share to others.
41:20Like, it's very important.
41:22Trust is very important for the girls because there are also other girls who are not confident that you share what they've been telling you, right?
41:30So, like, they see you not just as a mentor but as a family as well.
41:34Now, have you seen contestants also go into debt just for them to compete?
41:42Yeah.
41:44Yes.
41:45Yes, there are.
41:46But, again...
41:51I think your internet connection is...
41:54Yeah.
41:55Hello?
41:56No, sorry, Michelle.
41:57Can you repeat again your answer?
41:59Because I think your connection was interrupted.
42:02Yes.
42:02Sorry.
42:03Oh, my God.
42:04Okay.
42:06Sorry, sorry.
42:08So, yeah, there are, like, behind the scenes also.
42:11But, yeah, it's all about the right strategies.
42:14So, the resources that are required for somebody to campaign successfully for a title is also a lot, no?
42:24So, the curious question that pageant observers also like me or the general public would see because they get awarded with this large check during pageant night.
42:36So, do pageants actually pay off financially for winners or the return is just more on the exposure and opportunities and not necessarily the prices that they earn from a particular pageant?
42:49I think the pageant organization is also being honest with that since day one because there's already, like, orientation and they sign a contract before the competition begins.
43:00So, there are organizations that, yes, gives, like, prizes, especially from the sponsors.
43:06But there are also, for example, the one that you mentioned that it's all about popularity that just, you know, like, giving you the spotlight instead.
43:15That's why if you're a candidate that really only aims, for example, for prizes, then you just have to check from the beginning if it really aligns with you.
43:24And if not, then maybe you can reconsider with other platforms.
43:28And then I've also read, now, this one is on the part, the pageant organizers.
43:32I've also heard that some franchises, they cost millions, no?
43:37So, what's the return of investment on the part of the organizer that sends representatives abroad or in the national scene?
43:47Okay, so, to be honest, like, I have, like, worked with a lot of national directors and even local directors.
43:53Like, I know this really sound cliche, but there are just other directors or national directors that push for franchise just because of women empowerment.
44:03And that's true.
44:03However, there are also, for example, national directors or maybe directors that also considered buying the franchise because of business.
44:13That's why during the competition, they really make sure that they have more sponsors to get in.
44:19Because at the end of the day, like, it really depends on the perspective of the director or someone, like, who invests in that kind of industry.
44:28And I'm just very lucky that I've also been able to witness that they spend beyond, aside from the franchise, they've been even, like, supporting personally and financially with the candidates without not even thinking of what will be the ROI.
44:44So, for those who are thinking of the ROI, that's where the, for example, the shoots, commercials, for example, endorsements come in or even events.
44:55So, that's why after you win, you have to really work with the organization.
44:59And when they market you and if there is a job for you, like, for example, like, judging, right, like, hosting, like, you really have to work for them.
45:07Because that's also a way for the organization to, like, earn after investing.
45:13Now, you've mentioned that some organizations engage in it because of empowerment.
45:17I've also heard contestants, they would say that among the things that they get out of pageantry is sisterhood.
45:26But there are also stories about sabotage, like gowns being damaged or makeup kits going missing or heels being tampered with.
45:34Do you have any stories to share to our viewers?
45:37Around this one?
45:39In fairness, it didn't happen so far to my candidates.
45:43But we always remind them to secure their things.
45:46And at the same time, we have this backup plan.
45:48For example, okay, if you're required to bring, like, for example, common, you bring one pair of shoes.
45:55So, on our end, we always tell our candidates, maybe bring at least three or four, just in case.
46:01And, for example, with a gown sabotage, so, we always have an extra gown.
46:07Or, if ever, you bring your own sewing kit with you.
46:10So, as I said, anything can happen.
46:12But at least when it happens, like, you're ready.
46:15So, preparation remains to be key, you know, even in that space.
46:19So, now we're going towards the end of this interview, and it's been interesting so far.
46:24But now, this is more of a tip for those who want to win in a pageant, no?
46:29Per the things that you noticed, given your exposure in pageantry through the years,
46:35what separates, at least when you see somebody, what separates a contestant who simply joins a pageant,
46:42and a contestant in which you can see that this person can win this?
46:49Okay.
46:50So, for example,
46:51At first, the one who only wants to join, no?
46:55Like, you can really see that this person is just, like, enjoying.
47:00Enjoying in a sense that whatever happens, like, for example, he's open to growth, right?
47:05Like, okay, like, I have this kind of feedback today.
47:08Maybe I can apply it.
47:09Because the purpose of joining this pageant is just for me to grow and to know more about myself.
47:14However, those girls who are there who are really there to win, like, that's what I've been telling earlier.
47:23Like, they've really prepared so much.
47:25Like, there's no room already to lose.
47:28So, in short, like...
47:35Michelle, I think you were muted.
47:39Sorry. Sorry.
47:40So, going back, like, for example, if that person is only there not to win, like, just for the sake of, you know, to experience the pageant.
47:49So, it's just, like, all about, like, for example, okay, just tell me what that I should learn from this industry.
47:56Like, that, then I'm just there to enjoy and for the sake of experience.
48:00But for those girls who are there just to win the competition,
48:04so they really prepared from the strategies of serving even the past winners.
48:07Like, they even include that as part of their research.
48:11Like, okay, what are the common things that these winners shared?
48:15And at the same time, these girls who are there to win, it really studied so much.
48:19That's why, that's where the strategies come in.
48:22Like, the training, the campaign.
48:25Like, there's no room for them to, like, to lose at all.
48:29So, you will really know who is there to win because from the day one up until the end, there's really consistency.
48:37But those who are just there to enjoy, you will really see because if, for example, like, they don't care anymore, for example, like, what people say.
48:46Because they're just there to live with the moment.
48:48And that's also a good thing, right?
48:50Because, like, it's also a way for these girls to realize, oh, okay, like, maybe this is not meant for me.
48:56So, these are just girls to test if this industry is meant for them.
49:00But for those who are there, okay, I'm here to win, then, like, every day is really, like, you know, like, a crucial day for them to be consistent or even to improve.
49:10Like, as they say, like, know when to pick.
49:14For those girls who really want to win, every day is a pick day like that.
49:19So, like, there's no such thing as waiting for you to pick.
49:22Like, every day is, like, pasabog day.
49:24So, and who among the queens that you have worked with, at least maybe our viewers are also curious, though,
49:33who among the queens that you have worked with you think were memorable and what made them unforgettable?
49:39Okay, I love them because they are like, you know, just like, you know, your eyes are really nice.
49:45Okay, honestly, like, when you say iconic, like, Emma Tiglao.
49:50Emma Tiglao.
49:51Because she's a journalist, like, she already, like, she has this, like, life experiences na ba?
49:58Like, many experiences in life from as a host, as a journalist, as an entrepreneur.
50:03But still, I consider her journey is quite different and iconic in a sense that
50:09Emma was really open to growth despite her success prior to joining Miss Grand International.
50:16Plus, I've also witnessed like Emma really worked so hard.
50:20Like, of course, our other girls work hard.
50:22But like Emma, like that's the only time that I can't get up at 3 to 4 a.m. just for Emma.
50:29Like, there were really moments that after Emma's events at MGI, like we still talk.
50:36We still had like exchange ideas for her speech, for the possible questions in the Q&A.
50:42Yeah, and aside from that, like other, like Cebu, no? Cebu maybe?
50:47Like, hmm, Nicole Borromeo.
50:50There's a special place in my heart for Nicole since she's my first mentee in pageant industry.
50:58And I've also seen her growth from Miss Millennial Philippines and up until she joined
51:05Pinipini Pilipinas to Miss International competition.
51:09So, so, so I think, and I think she also earned a place internationally, right?
51:15Ah, second runner-up.
51:17Yes.
51:18What pageant was that again?
51:20I think it's Miss...
51:20Miss International.
51:22Miss International.
51:23Sige, now finally, for our viewers who are Cebu-based pageant aspirants and who want to be Nicole or who want to be Emma,
51:36so what would be your advice to this Cebu-based aspirants to succeed nationally and internationally in the world of pageantry?
51:44Okay, just know, just have that vision and imagine, like, where would you see yourself five years from now?
51:54Because what you do today will have an impact in the future, right?
51:58And that's what Emma and Nicole did.
52:01They saw themselves even before now, okay, I'll be, like, for example, Miss International.
52:06I can be someone who can represent the Philippines in the future.
52:09So today, I'll start to work for myself.
52:12It's very important to have that kind of vision because your vision will really fuel you with your goals.
52:18But if not, then for sure, like, at some point you'll be demotivated or even, like, question, like,
52:23am I really being meant for this industry?
52:26But if you really, I, like, for example, not just joining but really representing the Philippines,
52:31winning an international title, the preparation starts now,
52:35even if you compete, for example, five years from now.
52:39Okay, so there's, it really takes a lot of long process, okay, for a beauty queen to be successful.
52:46And for sure, it will be worth it.
52:47Like, you can see, like, for example, CJ of Piazza, right?
52:50Like, there were several attempts before for CJ to join the national pageants,
52:56but it only, like, during the Miss Grand International Philippines that she really won a major crown, right?
53:02So, sometimes...
53:04I think Michelle's internet.
53:12Yeah.
53:13Michelle, I think we missed the last two or three sentences.
53:16Okay, sorry.
53:18Like, for example, like, going back, like, for example, CJ of Piazza,
53:21she really had that vision before, even if, like, there were a lot of rejections,
53:26like, even if she placed, like, even unplaced in her previous competition,
53:30but CJ of Piazza really had that vision that she really wanted to win,
53:34she really wanted to make the Philippines proud.
53:37So, it's all about, like, not giving up of what you want.
53:40It's very important.
53:41And you just know that, I want this, okay?
53:44Because at some point, like, in the journey, like, people will really question, like,
53:48wow, well, you're still joining when, in fact, you already, like, didn't win before.
53:52So, however, that kind of motivation yourself that if you had that vision,
53:57then it will really fuel you.
53:59And thank you very much, Michelle, for joining us today.
54:02I like that we also ended this conversation with the word that you used, which is vision,
54:10because I think that's also a good perspective for non-pageant experts who are watching us,
54:17that pageantry is no different in terms of wanting to succeed, whether in business or in life.
54:23It really matters that we start with the vision.
54:26We start with the why.
54:28Correct.
54:28Because, of course, it's a long journey in pageantry.
54:33Yes.
54:34It's not just a one-week show, one-week event.
54:37Like, if you notice, like, after a girl wins a certain competition or even lose, like,
54:42for sure, you still have another plan, right, to join.
54:44So, it's a long process, but it will be worth it.
54:48But, yeah, just like we've seen already, like, girls who have been successful, like,
54:53Katriona Gay, Hia works back to join three times, right,
54:57before winning the Binibining Pilipinas Universe crown up until the Miss Universe.
55:02So, like, sometimes there will be rejections, but, again, the vision will really help you.
55:09And thank you very much.
55:12And that wraps up today's Beyond the Headlines.
55:15And we would like to thank our guest, Michelle Padayhag,
55:18for helping us connect the dots in ways that matter.
55:21I'm DJ Moises.
55:23Thank you and good afternoon.
55:25Thank you and good afternoon.
55:55Thank you and good afternoon.
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