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"La criminalité est partout" : le Premier ministre Rama défend l'Albanie auprès de l'UE
Le Premier ministre albanais estime que son pays mérite une place à la table de l'UE, invoquant les réformes et le soutien de la population. Edi Rama reconnaît que la criminalité et la corruption sont des problèmes majeurs, mais qu'ils ne sont pas propres à Tirana.
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Le Premier ministre albanais estime que son pays mérite une place à la table de l'UE, invoquant les réformes et le soutien de la population. Edi Rama reconnaît que la criminalité et la corruption sont des problèmes majeurs, mais qu'ils ne sont pas propres à Tirana.
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00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:30...and that we finally can.
00:32So we came from a very long way, and we were under different empires,
00:43and finally, of our own choice, we want to join this empire.
00:53And, oh, you consider it an empire, the European Union?
00:56Of course.
00:57In what way?
00:57An empire, in all the ways.
01:01A nice one.
01:03A nice one.
01:04So, well, here's the thing.
01:05The question why I ask you why now is you say it's a nice empire,
01:10but, of course, it has been a very difficult three years now for the European Union.
01:15Obviously, the war in Ukraine is having a lot of impact in the European conversation.
01:19We've also seen this moment of either radical change for the EU or slow agony.
01:24Mario Draghi said that.
01:25So has the EU lost some of the gloss around it, or you still believe there is still an opportunity?
01:30Listen, there are different things you were asking about.
01:36So on one hand, it's about how we see it, and on the other hand, it's about how Europe should see itself in this new world.
01:50When it comes to how we see it, we see it as the only place we want to be, because it's the only place where certain things that we fought for are going to be guaranteed.
02:07And I'm talking about freedom, I'm talking about equality in front of the law, I'm talking about democracy in general.
02:18From my own angle, very humbly, I would say that Europe, it's not that Europe has lost something, it's that Europe should gain something.
02:33And when you look at the situation, however, in Europe, obviously the war is still going on.
02:38You say very humbly, I'm not going to tell the EU what they need to do, because right now you're not a member of the EU, but you also said, I have my views of what Europe should be.
02:47What do you think the war in Ukraine is going to do to this continent?
02:50Well, the war on Ukraine is beyond Ukraine, in a way, is a very brutal signal of changing worlds, of gathering storms, of geopolitics,
03:13and of different ballgame in the international arena, and for that, Europe needs to come out with an approach that is not based on the old new normal,
03:38because it's not going to come back, but it's based on how to make sure that it will not become irrelevant.
03:52So, the war in Ukraine is a big test for all of us in many ways, and first and foremost, I believe, in how much Europe will be able to, at the end,
04:10be a driving force for peace and not a force of war.
04:20You said it will depend on largely how this war ends, the reflection in Europe.
04:27If there's a bad deal in Ukraine, is that going to make Europe weaker, and is that a union that you want to be a part of, a weak union?
04:34Listen, it all depends.
04:36It all depends in this case, because, let's face it, you know, it doesn't look very comforting that the European Union or Europe as such,
04:47the democratic Europe has not yet a peace plan for Ukraine, and this does not mean to compromise on the territorial integrity,
04:59or to recognize the result of aggression in any shape or form, but it means to find a way to combine the resistance to the aggression
05:16with a realistic peace plan, and to make the outmost for offering both resilience, resistance, muscles in the arena,
05:32and vision of the future, of a common future, possibly, including Russia, when it comes to a path towards first peace and then cooperation.
05:48I know it looks like completely crazy to think in these terms today, but Europe has shown that enemies can become partners,
06:04and partners can become friends.
06:05Of course, to go there, first and foremost, we all need to overcome the brutality of the aggression,
06:15and to not reward the aggression, by no doubt.
06:18And that's interesting, because a lot of the language that we hear coming out of Brussels says that Russia is now a threat
06:23for Europeans, and there is no clear path in terms of normalizing relationships.
06:29Are you looking at Russia, at a country that is, yes, a threat to Europeans,
06:33or is there perhaps a way that you have to engage just because Russia is not going anywhere?
06:39Listen, the one does not exclude the other, in my view.
06:46The Soviet Union was a threat to the world and to the United States,
06:51but Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, they found a way to build, in the same time,
07:01a very solid channel of communication, and to start something completely new in the world scene.
07:11Same with the communist China at that time.
07:13Now, of course, I don't want to make comparisons that may not fit the purpose,
07:21but I simply want to say that while fighting, and rightly so, while supporting Ukraine, and rightly so,
07:32while thinking in terms of strength, and rightly so,
07:40Europe should also have its own plan of peace and should not give up diplomacy,
07:47because outsourcing the European diplomacy and outsourcing the whatever type of peace that may come
08:01on the other side of the ocean, it doesn't seem to have been very rewarding so far.
08:09So when you say outsourcing, you mean to Trump, if there's no communication?
08:11No, I mean, no, but it's not to Trump.
08:15On the contrary, thanks to Trump, Europe rediscovered the word ceasefire,
08:22which seemed to be banned from the vocabulary with the previous administration.
08:29So, I mean, it doesn't matter whatever happens on the other side of the ocean,
08:35or whomever is on the other side of the ocean, Europe should have its own peace plan.
08:42And, of course, then harmonize and then integrate and so on.
08:47Where is it?
08:47So when you talk to your European counterparts and they say,
08:50we want a just and fair peace, you don't think there's any depth to that?
08:53No, I am not advocating any unjust or unfair peace.
08:58I'm simply saying that diplomacy should not be left behind, although there is a war.
09:06You know, don't forget, you know, Israel and Hamas were fighting to the teeth
09:15and they were communicating, they were negotiating, they were talking.
09:18So this is something normal.
09:22And it's not a war somewhere, it's a war in Europe.
09:27And now going back to the reason why you're in Brussels,
09:32has it had any impact, the fact that there's this war going on,
09:35that now there's this real momentum on enlargement,
09:37is this impacting you in a positive way where you say,
09:39because of this war, now there's this impetus?
09:41If there had been no invasion of Ukraine, we would not be here.
09:44We would not be talking about this.
09:45It's very probable.
09:47And it's sad.
09:49It's sad that...
09:50That it took a war.
09:50It's sad that it took a war to turn the very just and right words in real deeds
09:58because it has always been said that the Western Balkans are strategically important
10:05for the European Union, that the future of the Western Balkans is the European Union,
10:10that one day we'll be together.
10:12But in the meantime, the process was quite disappointing in many ways.
10:20I must say that the aggression created a new energy.
10:31And this is also something very, you know, inspiring,
10:38as it is inspiring how Europe got together,
10:42as it is inspiring to read in the wall of this big building
10:46a very clear, you know, message of unity.
10:54And now you've entered what is now seen as almost a final stretch in negotiations,
10:58and then it will become a political question, too,
11:00because you have to win over the 27 heads of state.
11:03Who do you consider your biggest ally?
11:04Because to me, when I see it from the outside,
11:07Giorgio Ameloni is your best friend in Europe, isn't she?
11:12Listen, I don't want to go there
11:16because it would not be fair to the very true and very generous friendship
11:28we are being offered by many in this part.
11:33You have a special chemistry.
11:34You can see it.
11:34What do you like about her?
11:36Yeah, you now are curious because she's a woman, you are a woman.
11:41But I must say that when it comes to Italy,
11:44there is something very special between Albania and Italy in general.
11:51And all the Italian prime ministers,
11:54independently from their political party
11:59or political colors of the government,
12:05they have been very good to us.
12:06and with Giorgia is special chemistry.
12:10I cannot hide it because it's very visible, right?
12:15And more than that, beyond that,
12:19she is someone that is very much about doing things
12:26and not just saying things,
12:27which is not very typically Italian, I must say,
12:30but she is like that.
12:32And would Europe be better off
12:33if there were more leaders like Giorgia Maloney?
12:37Listen, Giorgia is one of a kind
12:41and I'm not sure she can be replicated,
12:44but by no doubt,
12:47more women in leadership positions
12:50will help Europe to be stronger.
12:53And this is obvious when you see
12:56the president of the European Union Commission,
13:00when you see Giorgia,
13:02when you see Mata Fredrickson.
13:04So these women are incredibly strong
13:07and they make men look like they have to improve.
13:12And, of course, when it comes to Albania,
13:14in a European context,
13:16we often hear it in the sentence,
13:18the Albanian model.
13:19I'm sure you know what that refers to.
13:21Obviously, this is a deal that you cut
13:22with regards to migration with the Italians.
13:25They now have set up this migration center
13:28and their jurisdiction is applied,
13:30but this is your land.
13:31When you hear the Albanian model,
13:33a lot of people assume or think of it
13:35as a loss of sovereignty of a country
13:37and that refers to yours.
13:38Is that unfair?
13:40What do you mean sovereignty?
13:41We are...
13:41To have police from another country,
13:44law from another country,
13:45migrants from another country.
13:48You know, Italy is not another country.
13:50Italy is, you know, the Albania we look forward to have.
13:59So Italians are Albanians dressed by Versace.
14:02So we are the same people.
14:05We speak two different languages.
14:07We are united by the same sea.
14:12We love many things.
14:14But when you hear the dark side of the Albanian model,
14:17what does that mean to you?
14:18Is that something that you go,
14:19it is unfair.
14:20And by the way,
14:20more countries would do this if they could.
14:23First of all, not with Albania
14:24because we can do it only with Italy,
14:27as I said, you know,
14:28because it's...
14:30There are many reasons for that.
14:32And on the other hand,
14:35I don't care what people say, you know.
14:38It's good that people can say things.
14:40You don't care about this perception
14:41of a country that's traded a part of sovereignty.
14:43This is why we love freedom.
14:46This is why we want democracy
14:47because people can say whatever they want.
14:49You don't regret it in any way.
14:51You can do it again.
14:52No.
14:52What sovereignty, you know.
14:54Italians are at home in Albania
14:58and we feel at home in Italy, so...
15:01The Italians don't apply your law.
15:03But it's up to them to apply their law
15:05in that piece of land
15:06where they have to manage this operation,
15:10which is theirs.
15:11and they asked us to do it
15:13and we said, of course,
15:15you are welcome.
15:16It's your home.
15:17There's this idea that you are putting
15:19the police, the laws,
15:20and people from one country to another
15:22and that you ceded part of your territory
15:24for that.
15:25In that specific area,
15:26it's almost a piece of Italy.
15:28Some would argue
15:29there's something wrong in that model,
15:31but at the same time,
15:32I wonder if you think
15:33there's a level of hypocrisy
15:34because more would do it if they could.
15:36No, I can't accuse anyone of hypocrisy.
15:39I simply think
15:40that people have different views
15:42and sometimes people are jealous,
15:46but it's human.
15:47In this case, I don't know.
15:48I simply know that for us
15:51it has been a due,
15:55so we had to do it
15:57because Italy asked us.
15:58And when Italy asks,
16:00we always say yes.
16:01And, you know,
16:03it's not just Georgia.
16:05It's Italy.
16:06And do you hope that that yes,
16:08when they ask,
16:09we say yes,
16:10that they are going to
16:11return the favor
16:12at some point?
16:13Some argue it's a transactional relationship
16:15in a way.
16:16No, there's no transactional relation
16:17between Italy and us
16:18because Italy has done for us
16:21a lot
16:23without any favor asked in return.
16:28and I'll never forget
16:30the day we were so down
16:37because an earthquake hit us very, very strongly.
16:42and the first to arrive in our help
16:46were the Italian firefighters
16:51and they entered under the rubbles
16:55to save lives of people
16:58they didn't know.
16:59In a country,
17:00they put their feet for the first time
17:05and they did it like heroes.
17:09And, Prime Minister,
17:10just a final question.
17:11You've said there's a lot of cliches
17:12and stereotypes
17:13about what Albania is.
17:15I didn't say that,
17:16but I agree with you.
17:19No, you've never said,
17:20because I've said this
17:20in a sentence
17:21where you said
17:22there's ideas,
17:22somewhere sometimes.
17:23Yes, there's ideas
17:24that have been presented
17:25about Albania
17:26that I find are a cliché
17:28or stereotypes
17:29of what Albanian people are.
17:30At the same time,
17:31some of your critics would argue
17:32what this collective imagination
17:34alludes to
17:35is this idea of perhaps
17:36mafias, crime, gangs.
17:38Is that something
17:39that you take seriously
17:40and you say,
17:40well, it's not a stereotype,
17:42it's something we have to fight?
17:43And how do you do this dual path
17:46in which you change the narrative
17:47but also tackle issues like this?
17:49No, but the narrative
17:50has already changed
17:51and it's changing every day
17:53because now Albania
17:54is not anymore
17:55a mysterious shithole
17:59in the middle of Europe
18:00where everyone...
18:01You think that's how
18:02people perceive you?
18:03Everyone was imagining,
18:04you know,
18:06mafia and criminals
18:07and drugs
18:08and prostitutes
18:09and all the bad things.
18:13Now Albania is a...
18:14Some of your critics
18:15say that's still an issue.
18:16...shining example
18:16where millions and millions
18:19of Europeans
18:20come to visit
18:22and where they see
18:24that it's a piece of Europe
18:26that has to be...
18:27But you don't do that lightly either.
18:28...part of the mosaic
18:30while in the same time
18:32do we have still issues
18:35with organized crime?
18:37Yes, we do.
18:39Who don't?
18:39Look at this city.
18:41This city is, you know,
18:45an example
18:45and still there are great things
18:48happening here.
18:49Do we have issues
18:51with drugs?
18:52Who don't?
18:52Then, of course,
18:53we need to fight
18:54and the fight will never end
18:56as the example of Europe shows.
18:59Europe has fought drugs
19:02all the way
19:03but drugs are still in Europe
19:05and the fight goes on.
19:08And the commission
19:08also made that point
19:09so you agree on that specifically too
19:12in the recommendations.
19:13So, Prime Minister...
19:14I agree with all the recommendations.
19:16I've never seen anything
19:17more objective,
19:20more brutally...
19:21So it was a good report.
19:22...more brutally truthful
19:24and more amazingly inspiring
19:26than the European Commission report.
19:27We live for this book.
19:29Well, we'll tell the commissioners
19:30you'll be happy
19:31to see someone read it
19:32and start to end.
19:33They know.
19:33They know.
19:34And we have some people
19:35that read it
19:36from the beginning to the end.
19:37I don't know how they survived it
19:38but they do
19:39and I just adore them
19:42and I live for this book.
19:44Looking at this book
19:45getting better and better
19:47is the legacy
19:49of my political life.
19:51Well, on that note,
19:51Prime Minister,
19:52thank you very much
19:53for joining us on Euronews.
19:54Thank you.
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