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00:00I don't I don't think they care about us. Really?
00:03No, I don't think so. How come? Again, we're we're we're in very specular territory because nobody knows, right?
00:10But I would think it would just be for resources. Hey, this place is a lot of stable water
00:15That's useful. Don't you think they would be fascinated with us as an emerging civilization?
00:20And like I would say that if we found a planet that had cave people on it
00:24Like just starting to learn stone tools and stuff like that. We would for sure be interested in them
00:30We'd be so fascinated and we would probably try to accelerate their learning curve. You think we would?
00:37Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. We'll think of what a lot of these jerk offs have done with like
00:43Uncontacted tribes and stuff like that. We're always trying to intervene and do something with them
00:49You know the dark forest theory? No, it's a Lucian show who wrote the three-body problem and all those
00:54Oh, it's dark forest theory is says that if you attain a certain level of technology
01:00The best thing you can do is just be quiet because because the universe is a dark forest
01:04And the first person to stick his head out dies because you don't want a competitor in your region
01:11So as soon as a culture gets close to some technology that could make that they're on a path to threaten you
01:17You got to take them out. You got to you got to halt their technology and three-body problems is kind of based on that
01:22that's what they do in the books and
01:25That seems to make a little more sense to me than sort of this altruistic. Hey, let's help them
01:30You know the Star Trek approach. Let's make first contact and all of that
01:34you know, I
01:36I like you know human nature is a tricky thing
01:40We're very selfish
01:43You know you and I might want to see those people and help them along but there's a there's a lot of people that would not want a competitor in the neighborhood
01:51Yeah
01:52Maybe but what if they don't even think of us as a competitor? What if they're they're so advanced?
01:57Like if they're millions of years advanced
02:00Wouldn't they like this is the thing that diana pasolka and gary nolan a lot of these people that study
02:06crashed retrievals
02:09There's a term that they use
02:11that these are
02:13Donations
02:14Right
02:14These vehicles are donations and that the idea is we're supposed to look at this and formulate new ideas through reverse engineering
02:23And you know there's
02:25circumstantial evidence that that's true if you look at Bell Labs and all the crazy discoveries after Roswell
02:30Like we're using cathode ray tubes and suddenly transistors are made and silicon
02:35Semiconductors and wireless transmission and Bell Labs is all these leaps forward
02:40Fiber optics
02:41Fiber optics laser technology came out of Bell as well
02:44And um
02:46You know the retrieval experts
02:48Say that fiber optics and lasers for sure is reverse engineered
02:52And
02:52It kind of makes a lot of sense because it seemed to have come out of nowhere
02:57Suddenly Bell Labs has it
02:59You know but it you know it's
03:02My question is where where is the stuff
03:05You know we've got world war ii we go into korea in 1950 and at the time
03:11Russia
03:12Russia had the mig-15 was basically on par with us
03:14I think we had the the f-86 at the time which and mig might have even been better
03:19So that would have been a great time for some advanced tech
03:23But america did catch up and exceed the soviets about 51 52 you know during korea and then has been superior ever since
03:30But you would think that after 47 with the soviets there
03:34Let's get some of this anti-gravitic
03:37Stuff going yeah, maybe the problem is that you're working in this very compartmentalized environment
03:44So you're not allowed to share with all these different scientists
03:48So because of that there's no collaboration
03:50Which is necessary for real innovation you have to have experts from a bunch of different fields
03:55Analyzing all the different aspects of it
03:57This is what lazar pointed to the problems that they were having at s4 when they were trying to back-engineer this stuff
04:03He's like you can't do science like this because everything is so top-secret and so compartmentalized
04:08The metallurgists were not allowed to talk to the propulsions people and
04:11No one was allowed to talk to anybody else and everybody was just like what the fuck is going on right?
04:16What are these things where we like they didn't even tell him?
04:20Allegedly, you know if the story is true, they didn't even tell him where this thing came from
04:24They show it to him and there's a united states flag sticker on it and he's like, oh, this is ours
04:30Oh, that makes sense. And then he's examining. He's like, oh, no, it's not like there's no seams in this thing
04:36Like what is this? What's what is the metal? Why is it designed for something that's three feet tall?
04:42Like there's no controls inside this thing. Like what is this reactor? How does this thing work? There's a chair
04:48Yeah, you know, there's a couple of chairs. It looks like there's a neural interface maybe
04:52I you know, you hear a lot of the scientists
04:55Their frustration like if I could just talk to these guys, you know, I'm picking up an em field from this
05:01The metallurgist would be helpful here. Right what's going on?
05:05You know, I keep coming across spinning mercury all the time spinning mercury the spinning mercury engine has been
05:11Part of the lore since ancient India has the Vamanas, you know, those those craft
05:17If you look at the ancient texts, it may have been in the in the Mahabharata
05:20Yeah, but they allude to this liquid metal and then you fast forward to like the nazis building the bell the diglock
05:28That was a mercury engine and then we fast forward a little further mark McCandlish and the ARV vehicle the
05:34I forget the flux liner that is a that's spinning mercury engine
05:38So spinning mercury keeps keeps popping up and spinning mercury would cause some type of field what that would be
05:46I'm not a scientist or physicist. I'm not sure
05:48But it would certainly throw off a bunch of ions that could maybe be harnessed or used for something
05:53Well, it's it's like we're trying to explain things to us
05:58Based on our current understanding of technology like glass was invented a long time ago
06:05but imagine showing up with a
06:09brand new samsung
06:11Galaxy s25 ultra with gorilla glass
06:14You know in that thin frame and looking at there. What the fuck is this?
06:19There'd be statues of you for a thousand years. Well, you know what glass is. You know what metal is, right?
06:23Well, this is glass and metal you're like what what?
06:26No, what the fuck is this? We took sand and made it real hot and it made it clear. Huh what?
06:32You can drop it on the concrete. It doesn't break right
06:35Yeah, so just our current understanding of technology
06:39Based on the origins of that technology just metal and glass
06:42You know you you show someone metal and glass is thousands of years old
06:48Show them what we have now with metal and glass
06:50They'd be blown away and you just keep going keep going go go a thousand years from now
06:55Like what does it all look like? It's like
06:58Probably some sort of gravity propulsion system probably 3d printed so there are no seams
07:03Right. Yeah, and that's the frustration about disclosure is how far
07:07Could we be by now? Right, you know had had there been disclosure in 47 or whatever
07:12It's even more of a psyop if it's all bullshit
07:15Like it's a psyop if it's actually if it actually is like wow the government is actually really good at one thing
07:19They're good at keeping secrets about ufos. That's right
07:22But if they're not if it's all bullshit like boy
07:26How weird that we've been like focusing on this nonsense like as a culture it got in the front page of the new york times in 2017
07:33But meanwhile, it's all nonsense, right? That's almost less likely
07:38Well, if you look at what dodie did in the 70s and 80s with paul bennewitz when when bennewitz discovered
07:44This advanced technology on kirtland air force base
07:48He called the base and said hey, I think there's ufos. So they send dodie out
07:52He was where he was air force intelligence osi
07:54They sent him out to bennewitz and they and and he's like paul
07:57I think it might be ufo is aliens and paul and you know paul gets a little bit wacky
08:02And he starts intercepting signals from outer space
08:05And and they're sending him messages, but it turned out. It's really the nsa rented a house across the street and
08:12Paul is committed at some point and then dodie over the years
08:16Changes the story and instances no a lot of it is actually true
08:20Um, but dodie is also he said as recently as 2019 how put off tried to recruit him for disinformation campaign with uh with a 10
08:28Really? So how put off has been a part of disinformation campaigns?
08:34allegedly allegedly forever
08:36And what have they been doing with these disinformation campaigns whatever they've been trying to?
08:42muddle just to keep guys like you and me
08:46Fascinated and trying to figure stuff out while they can just operate their advanced technology in peace
08:50Like let them think it's aliens and ufos. That's fine. What what a dirty thing to do filthy in the fifties
08:57They were very public about anti-gravity. It was in the papers that you know the g-engine
09:01They were talking about it and then suddenly quiet. Yeah, jesse michaels talks about that all the time the townsend brown
09:08Yes, yeah, that's and uh
09:10Ningly remember her story the physicists right and then she died in a car accident and she came back from china oops oopsies
09:17Mm-hmm. Yeah
09:21Yep
09:21So that was so that was ac gravity if you guys want to look that up she
09:25She used to give talks and all of that. She was funded by dod for four hundred thousand dollars
09:31So we know that for sure and then she just goes dark. She goes dark for 11 years
09:36Shows up I think in 2013. She's back 2014 gets hit by a car
09:40Why is it so fun? I don't know mark mcclann just found all that stuff ended up killing himself all this stuff is so fun
09:49Which is why the y files are so good because it's like I always get the same feeling when I watch your show
09:55It's like oh, what is the answer?
09:57What is real?
09:59What is it? But it's what is it about us that's so intrigued by these mysteries?
10:05I mean, there's so much that we know that is real just to just the nature of the cosmos itself of black holes and solar nurseries and all the
10:15Wild shit that's absolutely real
10:18But there's these things that are like yeah, but what is that?
10:22I don't think enough people are interested in it to be honest. I think that's part of the problem
10:26Well, I don't you think it's because for the most part it's dismissed and if you engage in it
10:31It's like if you're a normal person not like you or I but if you're a person that has like a job in an accounting firm
10:38You're like a very respected legitimate person
10:42Especially like pre-2017
10:44Pre the New York Times article and you want to start talking about like gravity propulsion systems that the government's been hiding
10:51And there's back engineering programs
10:53They've got crashed ufos and there's one of them
10:56It's only like a couple hundred feet while you go inside of it. It's the size of a football field
11:01Like the TARDIS
11:02Yeah, or the one in Korea that's so big they had to build a building around it because they couldn't move it
11:08Right. I want to know what that is
11:10Same
11:11Same I don't I wish more people were interested in it. I would almost be willing to run for president just to get access just
11:19If I ran for president the company would be in shambles, but everybody would know everything about ufos
11:23Dude, you have no shot. Oh, I have no shot. They'd kill me for sure. I can't I can't believe the things you say are news
11:30Oh, yeah, well, it's because news is like really dead. Yes, that's right. They're angry about about independent media
11:37Well, they are but it's also the news is not so their business is just clicks and
11:44What better way to get clicks than I said something crazy?
11:47So then you know and then it also kind of supports the idea that we need to be gatekeeped and
11:52Someone needs to you know be able to stop us from spreading misinformation or my favorite term
11:58Mal-information. This is something that came up during covid
12:02That we need to stop the spread of misinformation
12:05Disinformation and mal-information
12:07Mal-information is real information that is true and accurate but
12:13Would be negative in its impact to society
12:16Which is it's bonkers crazy. We can't live in that society. Well, that's they're they're making us infants, right?
12:23They're saying we can handle this but
12:26The the vast majority of you even though we're all supposed to be equal and the government supposed to be working for you and serving the people
12:33No, we will have this information
12:35And we will know what we're doing and you won't be able to have access to it because you're not ready for it because you're too stupid
12:40They lost they lost already. They just don't know it yet, but they yeah, they lost a long time ago
12:45I'm going to I'm going to put out an episode about how dragons are real and when I get to the debunk
12:49I'm going to say nothing. They're real peace out
12:53Triangular spacecraft. What is this?
12:55stumbled down a lower rabbit hole and found a
12:58Patent that exists or did exist. It was abandoned in 2006. This could be the I forget the title
13:04The SR is was a 7RB. There's a t3B. This is like the ones that they always see like the phoenix lights and that one
13:13So it says a spacecraft having a triangular hull with vertical
13:17electrostatic line charges on each corner that produce a horizontal electric field parallel to the sides of the hull this field
13:25Interacting with a plane wave emitted by antennas on the side of the hull generates a force per volume combining both lift and propulsion
13:33What wow it's all the math, but like I don't know what I do this math and if someone we need to get Eric here
13:40Someone can look at me like that's not real get Eric Weinstein to like do that math hasn't been made
13:44obviously
13:46And I'm surprised isn't that classified
13:51There's other according to this article that's where I found it there's what it was about the t3b thing right so that that it's that's a real
13:57Experimental layer does America have a reverse engineer UFO? Oh
14:00Oh
14:01So this goes back to 1991 with a desert storm. There's reports of what they call it a tr3a
14:08Which looks a lot like what the stealth bomber kind of yeah, but also
14:12Yep, no tr3b is said to be like nothing. We've seen before
14:18This was what I got to from liquid mercury
14:21I was trying to find stuff about it and there's theories that people say that like this is probably what they're running off of
14:26It's supposedly powered by a reverse-engineered anti-gravity drive that was recovered from a crashed airline spacecraft
14:33The tr3b is where reports of UAP
14:37Performing seemingly impossible aerial maneuvers intersect with stories about very real aircraft read the next paragraph
14:43There are lots of claims over the internet about tr3b's
14:47Anti-gravity drive most of which include using nuclear power to locate highly pressurized mercury to produce plasma and in turn a gravitational field
14:59Whoa
15:00Something about the mercury have you ever heard eric weinstein talk about this other scientists to
15:07Devise a list the this is the mandate they came to them and said here's the issue
15:12We have crashed UFOs and we have recovered biological entities that are not of this world
15:21What would be the pros and they didn't tell them if this is true or not?
15:24They said what would be the pros of disclosure? What we would be the cons and I want you to attach a numerical value to each one so
15:34disruption of government religion
15:37Politics all these different things like what would happen to the you know the nuclear family like what what happens if we know we're not alone?
15:45What happens if we are visited on a consistent basis? What happens and the new man when they did it at the end all of the scientists
15:53Had achieved similar conclusions that the the cons outweighed the pros in terms of numbers and so because of that they decided not to disclose
16:03so this is like
16:05during the
16:071980s I guess wouldn't 90s when was
16:11Bush 2 no, okay, 2000 so 2000 so it was around then
16:16Yeah, yeah, what do they what do they know what do they tell you the first day?
16:21I don't think they tell you the first day. I think the president is a temp. The president's like a substitute teacher
16:28I don't think
16:30I don't think I don't think you get to know much. I don't think Trump knows
16:33Well, I think I probably told him some things. I worry that the government is like
16:38There's a theory that there hasn't really been an American government since 1945 now
16:4463 well because
16:46Everything got siloed like in in wartime everyone's talking to everyone and making everything happen and it's like, okay
16:52We're at war and then everything gets siloed and okay. That's a secret thing. That's a secret thing
16:57That's a secret thing and then the guy that's holding the secret keys retires
17:01Right whole departments just funded forever, but you don't quite what they're not talking to them
17:06and then you have people that are in great positions of power that get off on keeping these secrets and keeping this information and having the
17:14Knowledge and keeping it only to themselves
17:17Especially if they're manipulating things. This is like a big problem with the CIA and you know
17:22this led to
17:23When when they had the disclosures and the Church Commission and you know when people found out what the CIA was up to all the weird shit
17:30They did with MK ultra and oh my god that but I've got to thank you for that book. Okay us incredible
17:35So I can't recommend it enough. I listened to the episode
17:38I went back and listen to your episode with the guy and I went okay. This is interesting. What's he called again? Tom O'Neil Tom O'Neil
17:44He's got a new podcast by the way does he he's got a new podcast where he's kind of going back an in-depth interview
17:49It's with Rick Rubens, you know Rick Rubens podcast is his podcast company has done one with him
17:54I didn't even know Rick Ruben had a podcast company. That's funny. I text him all the time
17:58I didn't even know he had a podcast. He's got a great podcast. He's the best. Oh, he's such a
18:02He'll entertain any ideas
18:05He's fucking he's one he gets down the rabbit hole
18:08But he so he he's he's so I I listen to the thing and then I went away and I read the book and the book is like you
18:14Kind of read it and go well, this this can't be really like that's an extraordinary chapter
18:19This can't get any weirder and then you go. Oh, so Charles Manson is connected to the Kennedy assassination and
18:25And what's so sorry? He's also connected to the MK ultra experiments, which which are real
18:31Which sounds so much fucking weird than any other conspiracy theory you've ever heard and they're real. Yeah. Yeah, and you can't I mean
18:38It's like the book is just yeah, it's wonderful. Yeah, it's it's a great book
18:43It really it's all history. It's all the United States history and it what it's what happens when people have unchecked power
18:50They do crazy things and what our government did was a lot of mind control experiences experiments rather
18:57Yeah, yeah a lot
18:59There's a lot of crazy shit that's happened in this country
19:02So I would not be surprised if they do have knowledge of us being visited and they've kept it under wraps just that they kept a lot of things under
19:10they've
19:11Infantilized a giant percentage of our population to just trust the government and trust the science and trust the people in charge to trust authority
19:19And I don't know those people if they visited America, then they visited
19:24China and Russia and you sort of think well balance of probability all of those governments don't agree about anything
19:31Like so the idea of going well if they're if they're here they're everywhere according to how put off
19:39The United States is in possession of recovered vehicles and so are other countries and there's essentially like a Manhattan
19:47project type deal where the
19:51race to reverse engineer this technology is
19:56at a very high level and
19:59Governments are involved in it and they try to keep things as secret as possible because whoever can achieve the results first will have
20:07immense technological superiority over all of its all of its enemies if
20:11If these things are real if they do have some sort of a device that can move through space at a in a way that we just can't even fathom
20:22Which traverse immense distances almost instantaneously?
20:27This is the this is what we've been told by the people that have worked with these things and
20:33You know, it's hard to know. It's hard to know what's bullshit
20:36It's hard to know because it's all sounds like bullshit, but I think it's sound like bullshit unless you experience sorry
20:41But that thing of like yeah, it does sound like bullshit in a sense
20:43But then there's also the other thing of like if you showed me that flip phone in 1982. Yep, I'd have gone
20:49Well, that's bullshit. Yeah, you can't fold a TV so you can all fuck off
20:54Like right, how's the TV that thin anyway? What are you talking about? What do you mean? You can make calls on it?
20:59What's right? How is there a camera on your phone? What's going like we we get used to shit so quick?
21:04Mm-hmm. I someone had that thing of like, I don't want the Wright brothers first flew the plane. Mm-hmm, but it's like
21:1060 years later. We land on the moon. You know that we dropped a nuclear bomb out of one of those places and less than that
21:17Yeah, that was like 50 years. It's
21:21From the invention of that stupid plane the first plane or like wood and fucking cloth and shit
21:28But this is Eric's point of life if you Eric Weinstein and who else is it?
21:33Um, the guy used to work for it
21:35He he often sort of says if you minus the screens from the room
21:39We're in the 1970s. Yes, which I think it's kind of like what's happened since then what what are they working on that?
21:45We haven't like is there gonna be a ta-da moment where they pull back the sheet and go. Yeah, look at that
21:49Well, I think there's probably
21:51Multiple things that are happening simultaneously and then the AI one if that one hits all the other ones are gonna seem trivial
21:58Because the AI one is essentially the creation of a superior
22:03Being a thing that is more intelligent than us has all the access to information that humans have plus the ability to engineer itself