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00:00Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
00:05All right, this is the crossover.
00:06Evan Giddings in for Matt Steinmetz, Daryl the Guru Johnson, Dan Dibley,
00:10and a long time no see, Mark Willard.
00:12This is the second crossover.
00:15Let's keep that in mind.
00:16Because Pasta did the greatest Willard impression, better than Lubman,
00:20and I was disappointed that I put Lubman on that pedestal.
00:23You didn't fail, Sam, but it didn't hit like it hit in the morning.
00:26But your boy was impressed with that.
00:28Good, good.
00:29And I wish you could have heard it, but it looks like Pasta's gone.
00:31No, no, I'm kind of doubting Risotto for what I heard earlier in the show.
00:35Oh, yeah, well, Pasta's been stepping on eggshells.
00:38He was trying to get into his process, and Risotto comes in with the,
00:42man, it's got to be weird to co-host with somebody who's the same age as your kids.
00:46Willard came at a, I'm feeling, but it was facts.
00:49I was going to say, like, I appreciate facts.
00:53I appreciate it.
00:55Yeah, but he made his age.
00:58He made Pasta's age, yeah.
01:00Well, he goes, wow, you know, I got him 23.
01:04Is it kind of weird?
01:05You know, you're working with people that are the same age as your kid.
01:08Well, it hurt me.
01:08I was like, have me my cane.
01:10Instead of the fangs coming out, he just kind of shut down.
01:12Just like, put it in, wow, Will.
01:14Because we had Kalia, who was in promotions, and she's the same age as my oldest son,
01:20and then the new young lady is the same age as my younger son.
01:25What's the famous quote that Jimmy Butler said to Jonathan Kaminger, and Draymond said it too?
01:31You asked for this.
01:32Wow.
01:32So, this is what you get?
01:34You asked for this job?
01:36Yeah.
01:36You wanted to keep it?
01:37No, I got you.
01:38You wanted to keep it for over a decade?
01:39Yeah.
01:40Okay, then this is what you get?
01:41Yeah.
01:42Believe me, we've all been here from the point of, like, the references you make are funny,
01:49and then one day you show up at work, and the people working with you don't even understand the references anymore.
01:55Oh, boy, oh, boy.
01:56Every time someone starts talking about Gilligan's Island now, and you just get blank stares from all your producers,
02:02and I'm just like, ooh.
02:04And that's my show.
02:05I had to ask Evan Stiney and I, what 6'7'' mean?
02:08Remember, I'm like, Evan, what's 6'7'' mean?
02:10What do these kids and my...
02:11Well, I don't know what 6'7'' means.
02:13But board ops, I get older, they're the same age.
02:16Oh, my goodness.
02:17That's a four.
02:18Yes, they do.
02:19What do you smoke right now?
02:20The Wooderson?
02:21Was that the Wooderson?
02:22Yeah.
02:22Again, Dazed and Confused.
02:23Dazed and Confused.
02:24That's a way, 20-something-year-old reference.
02:26It is a great movie, though.
02:27Oh, God, yeah.
02:28That one, that has to stay.
02:30It's an example, though.
02:30It's confusing.
02:31Oh, my God.
02:32It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
02:34I got two text messages this morning.
02:36One at about 6'23", from Ev, a little later, but I'm in my military time.
02:41And then you sent the same text with the Kaminga story.
02:46It's a great article.
02:46Can you share with us why you sent that article from Anthony Slater and ESPN Today?
02:50Because Ev sent it to me early.
02:52Multiple reasons.
02:53A, phenomenal work, I thought, by Anthony Slater.
02:56I feel like I watched a two-movie.
02:58Phenomenal behind-the-scenes, one-on-one-type conversations with mainly Jimmy Butler.
03:04Mainly Jimmy Butler.
03:05But also some sourcing with regard to how Kaminga is feeling.
03:10There's a banger of a quote in there.
03:11Man, a banger.
03:12Quote, he feels like the scapegoat again.
03:15So, it's a big Warriors story.
03:19But, I also wanted to send it directly to you because you spent a lot of time yesterday on the show feeling like what you saw on the court between Jimmy and Buddy was maybe a leadership problem.
03:32Yeah.
03:32And to read that article.
03:33No, I got you.
03:34It doesn't even undo your point yesterday.
03:36That's a different thing.
03:37But Jimmy's leading.
03:38To read about what is going on behind the scenes.
03:41No doubt.
03:42It feels like there are those in the Warriors organization who have essentially said, forget Steve Kerr, forget Joe Lacob, Mike Dunleavy, or anybody else.
03:52Jimmy, you're the Jonathan coach.
03:54Yep.
03:54Save this.
03:55And I told Evan.
03:57Star Wars.
03:57You are our only hope.
03:58I use Julia Roberts.
04:00I love what Jimmy's doing.
04:04Help me.
04:05Jimmy's doing for a young Kaminga.
04:07But I brought up Julia Roberts in one of the movies where she was a tree lover and they were going to take the tree down and she got in front of the tree.
04:14If you take me to the tree.
04:16Aaron Brockovich?
04:17Something like that.
04:18One of those.
04:18But I said to Evan, is Jimmy do that come January 6th or whenever?
04:22If they had something to trade Kaminga, would he do something dibs to where he'd be like veto that or just try to give his two cents?
04:29Like how far does he go?
04:31Depends on how he's playing and how they're playing.
04:33That is, man.
04:33And right now, if you look at the sample of what this season has been, he was unbelievable for a week and a half.
04:39And then it was, oh boy, the old J.K.'s back.
04:42And now he's got bum knees at 23.
04:44Wow.
04:44So it's been about as much of a mixed bag as you could have thought.
04:48And, you know, the article comes out now about Jimmy being the J.K. whisperer.
04:52I think that the timing is something that's not coincidental.
04:56So when J.K. comes back, you're going to see Jimmy throw an arm around him on the court.
05:00And hopefully things get back to how they were early.
05:02I had a theory I told Everett real quick this morning.
05:04Yesterday you shared with us a conspiracy theory.
05:07And I can't shake it.
05:08Well, the facts are the first game he didn't start, he played 10 minutes and halftime of the game, his knees hurt.
05:15And he hasn't played since.
05:17So those are just the facts of the situation.
05:19You can draw your own conclusions.
05:20Well, and then to Dibs' point, let me read straight from the end of this article.
05:26Because I think this is huge.
05:28This is huge.
05:30They're talking about Kaminga, roll, bench, start, whatever.
05:34Jimmy Butler says, quote, I think with that, though, he has to understand it doesn't just mean score.
05:40Because I don't mind taking the backseat to him and letting him do his thing.
05:45And I'm down there in the dunker spot.
05:47I'll set screens.
05:49I don't mind.
05:50But you know what we better do?
05:51I already know.
05:52And Slater looks at him and goes, limit turnovers?
05:55Which is funny.
05:56Which is an awesome line.
05:58And he goes, no.
05:59We better effing win.
06:03That's it.
06:05Whatever we want to do, I'm fine with it.
06:08It better be towards winning.
06:10Because that's all I care about.
06:13I don't care about nothing else.
06:16See, and that's where I think that they're wired a little differently.
06:20Between Jimmy and Jonathan.
06:22Like, Jimmy has won at every level.
06:27Or Jimmy's impacted winning at every level.
06:29Are they wired differently or is it a different time in their lives?
06:32Well, so this is my point, though.
06:33When Jimmy was Kaminga's age, because he talked about understanding some of the stuff he's going through.
06:37He had been to community college.
06:40He had been through three years at Marquette.
06:42And won 20 games every single season under a coach who was, you know, a quality coach.
06:47Totally.
06:48He had then got drafted as the 30th pick, not the 7th overall pick, to a 50-win team.
06:53And had to earn his way onto a winning team to impact.
06:57Like, he did whatever the Bulls needed to do when he was that age.
07:00So, their paths to where Kaminga currently is, to me, are very different.
07:04And that's why, as much as I...
07:05I think Jimmy's correct, by the way.
07:08I think he's right.
07:09And I also think the fact that they need him to be this whisperer means that they're on their final straw.
07:14Like, if he can't get you to do what they need him to do, then we're going to have to make a choice in January.
07:19Yeah, I agree.
07:19But, Jimmy Butler, for him to say, we have to win.
07:24I know you know what it takes to win.
07:26Because at every single stage of your basketball life, you've shown that you can impact winning.
07:31So far, and it's been four plus, we haven't seen that enough.
07:36For me.
07:37To believe that it's just going to change.
07:40Well, I like something you said earlier, and I can't even remember if you said it on the show,
07:44or if you said it on Twitter, I can't remember where I saw it,
07:46but basically, you said that when you read this article, and you see what Jimmy said,
07:53and you see what Draymond said, it is very hard to escape the thought of Draymond's post-Oklahoma City press conference.
08:02Yeah, that was a little bit better.
08:03You can go back there and start thinking about what was that really about.
08:08And again, I still, to this moment, I don't think that that means it was 100% about Jonathan.
08:14But how many, how much?
08:16He's at the center of this dynamic.
08:19Nothing is one person.
08:21But he is at the center of this dynamic.
08:24If Jimmy Butler is literally cussing through the idea of like, he's under my wing,
08:29but he's got to understand, win.
08:33That's it.
08:34We can't be here for your growth and your goals unless they fit with W.
08:43And that's what Draymond was saying.
08:46And that's like, I don't know, maybe we can all arrive at a spot where it's like,
08:51gosh, there's been so much finger-pointing, and it's a blame, and it's a who's right, and it's a who's wrong.
08:57I don't think that that's what this subject is about.
08:59It has to only be about winning.
09:03Jonathan's goals are fine.
09:05You're allowed to have them.
09:07But if they don't fit with our Ws today, then that becomes an agenda.
09:13Yeah, and I felt like I was watching an episode of The Young and Restless,
09:16and everybody's trying to get to the bottom of it.
09:20But the fact that I condemn Draymond at times where I disagree with him and things that he says.
09:25Because when Coach Kerr called him, I believe this was in the piece, the Denver game,
09:30and said Post was going to start, and then he said and cared about who would come out,
09:35and it was Kaminga almost had a thug to basketball tear of like,
09:39this is what this warrior culture is predicated on.
09:42So to your thing, I was just salute to Jimmy, and then also to Dray for trying to make, you know,
09:49to think about J.K.
09:50And then he goes to OKC, and Steve even said in the piece, he was quoted as saying,
09:55well, this is really important to Jonathan.
09:57It's starting.
09:57It's really important.
09:58So you go to OKC, and you had to make drastic changes.
10:01Steve told us that on our weekly show.
10:04They did that.
10:05Kaminga's coming off the bench, and he plays 10 minutes, and we haven't seen him since.
10:08So I'm not trying to say that that's the reason his knees hurt,
10:11but if it really is important to him, and then you play well when he comes off the bench,
10:16as you did in San Antonio, he didn't play at all.
10:18I think we're right back where we were last year, where you're trying to serve two different masters.
10:23You want to win every game, and if he's better suited to winning coming off the bench,
10:27but he wants to start really, really badly, well, welcome back to last year, everyone.
10:32Yep.
10:32And he went to Kerr specifically, Evan, and Dibbs and Willard.
10:36In Sacramento, right?
10:37Yeah.
10:38Telling them, I've studied Willard.
10:40I can play with them, like, taking on this task,
10:43but now Dibbs has me thinking, even without the conspiracy theory,
10:48did that cut him when he didn't start?
10:50You know what I mean?
10:52Clearly.
10:53And it was so fast, and I'm not exonerating the turnovers that we saw from J.K.,
10:58but Evan, I'm scratching my head as to, that was kind of fast.
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11:10The other thing that I thought was kind of interesting that Slater put in there from Jimmy
11:14is his questioning of, when Steph's not in, what do we do?
11:22And that ran across my mind watching last night's game,
11:25because there was nobody who could do anything, except for Pat Spencer, apparently.
11:29Yeah, that was it.
11:30But post-courses, I'm down, I liked it, but I got it.
11:33That was an experience.
11:33Yeah, it was.
11:34Anyway, yeah.
11:35I don't even take any team's best five players, and I'm just like, whatever.
11:39I don't even know what the hell y'all are doing out here.
11:41Yeah, pretty women in Miami.
11:42Evan said the fourth didn't feel like they were that close.
11:45I go, you hit the deadline.
11:45They turned it on, and it was just over.
11:47You ever go to a big high school game, but the JV game's on first,
11:50and people are just hucking the ball in?
11:52Like, it's just funny.
11:53I thought the first half was funny, but anyway, go ahead.
11:56No, any game where there's 120 combined misses,
11:58you're not going to have a lot of fun watching that game.
12:01So he says, the second that Steph is in the game,
12:03it's completely different than when Steph is out, and I'm in the game.
12:06And if you're trying to run the Steph stuff, it's not going to work.
12:10Nobody's overreacting to anybody.
12:12I'm not saying, no, we should never do that.
12:14All I'm saying is Steph is the ultimate cheat code.
12:16So I do think there is a conversation to, and it's not just to Kaminga,
12:21but like, how should they play when Curry's not involved?
12:25Because that's, you know, a good six-minute period from the first to the second
12:29when Jimmy's running the second unit,
12:30and then at the end of the third to beginning of the fourth
12:32whenever Steph comes back in.
12:34And there is this ideology that, you know,
12:37Kerr is married to his system and his way.
12:40And I just thought it was interesting that this feels like the first time
12:43that Jimmy has ever kind of, like, pushed back on that.
12:47Well, and this goes, in my mind, to how Steve has said that
12:50I don't think the Warriors have had a practice in two and a half weeks.
12:52So, like, Jimmy's point on that is, what do we do in that situation?
12:58We need a minute to figure it out.
12:59Let's figure it out.
13:00Then let's define it.
13:02Let's do it.
13:02I don't care what my role is in it.
13:04Let's do it if it wins.
13:07We look at these situations, and it's our soap opera brain,
13:10and I think we think about these player egos,
13:12and I'm not here to tell you that they don't have big egos.
13:14They're professional athletes.
13:16But I think on good teams, oddly,
13:19those players all find a way to put the ego away.
13:22Oh, no doubt.
13:22It's actually a very egoless thing to try to go win.
13:26Like, whoever this eighth player is on Oklahoma City, believe you me,
13:30he thinks he can start, and he's probably right.
13:32But you have to play a role.
13:35And clearly, for whatever reason, and blame can be everywhere if you want to use that word,
13:42you just have a group of people that have not been able to define and accept exactly what the roles are together
13:51that will lead to consistent winning.
13:53And they've got to go find that.
13:55And it's very early, and they've got time.
13:58But they've got to be healthy.
14:00They've got to practice.
14:01They've got to go find that.
14:02And then they all have to agree to do it every night.
14:04That's the challenge.
14:05And, you know, we talked about agendas before.
14:07That might have been Monday or last week.
14:08I forget.
14:09But you look at pods and how he's playing.
14:11He's playing to me like somebody who is wrapped up in who am I supposed to be.
14:16Last night, he was able to just go out there and play.
14:18No expectations.
14:19But I don't think that he...
14:20I also like a guy that, not to interrupt, he's been humbled.
14:22And I think those comments and that piece from Slater about maybe some teammates
14:26or some within the organization, I think that hit him to where now Evan said it's confidence.
14:32I feel like that penetrated him to where I don't feel like he's playing freely
14:37because now I think he's doing...
14:39He knows people might be like, you're doing a little too much.
14:42And I think the agendas comment was directed at him.
14:45Maybe not quite as much as Jonathan, but it was those two.
14:48And the way Brandon's played this year, to me, has been a little tentative.
14:51One of you guys said it earlier, like, when he's going good, he's going great.
14:56And the confidence is through the roof.
14:57But if he doesn't see it go through the hoop early, he starts to play a little bit more tentative,
15:02which is not pods at his best.
15:04I think that's kind of a characteristic of all the young guys.
15:07I mean, even someone like Moses Moody, who's probably the guy who's contributed the most
15:11to winning so far the last year.
15:14But if he doesn't see a shot go down early, I mean, he just ain't shooting.
15:20Like, you can tell very quickly if Moses Moody's going to have a night where he makes seven
15:24threes against the Pelicans, or a night like the game after against Orlando, where it just
15:30ain't falling tonight.
15:31And that's where I think it's frustrating to watch the rollercoaster ride up those young
15:37players.
15:38Yeah, QP too.
15:39It's like the guy up until last night could not shoot outside a chase center.
15:42But it's frustrating to watch because we don't know, and I'm sure the old guys also don't know
15:49what to expect.
15:50And that, to me, is how you get to a 9-8 record.
15:52They're playing with living legends.
15:55I mean, imagine how hard that is.
15:56Like, I'm on Steph Curry's team, and I'm going to go out here and miss four in a row?
16:01I get it.
16:02If I miss three in a row, I'll be like, okay, I'm going to stop.
16:05Oh, no doubt.
16:06You take the ball.
16:07That's how, like, that is, there's so many legs to that entire dynamic of 23-year-olds
16:15playing with Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler.
16:18And how do you have...
16:19At this point in their careers.
16:20Yeah, like, how do you have the gall to go out there and shoot, but then again, they're
16:24like, you have to.
16:26You have to.
16:27So, like, yeah, I get it.
16:29But, you know, no one's going to feel sorry for them.
16:31This is professional sports.
16:32It's still early.
16:33Kind of like what I was saying about Buddy yesterday.
16:35Hey, I'm not bothered if someone's yelling at him.
16:37This is professional sports, and you're 4'15".
16:39You're playing awful.
16:40Yeah.
16:40He's played awful all year.
16:42And I'll say this.
16:43And I love Buddy.
16:43He's playing awful this year.
16:44But to Evan's point about confidence, he's going to continue to shoot.
16:48He's not bothered by...
16:49He's 33, though.
16:50That's the point.
16:51And he's one of the top 10 three-point shooters of all time.
16:54That's the point.
16:54And, you know, you talked earlier about the others, and last night, the others were not
16:58the others.
16:59It hurt me.
17:00They were the people.
17:00And so, and I was thinking about this this morning when I was listening to you guys.
17:04If that was your team last night, you'd probably go 8-7 before.
17:09I mean, that's...
17:10If you didn't have any of those other guys ever, I mean, you're not even really a good
17:14G League team, honestly.
17:15And I get caught up in it.
17:16And thank God Stine's not here.
17:18But I text Evan last night.
17:19Moses Moody's been...
17:20He's everything.
17:21Good player.
17:22Never complains.
17:24I talked about his moxie coming off the bench looking for a shot because he knows.
17:28And last night was just an exhibit A of, I thought Moody was better than he was in regard
17:34to being able to put the ball on the floor, cook, ha-ha, and that defense and tenacity
17:40was coming from Miami.
17:41And I said, no.
17:43He's mastered a way of playing off Curry when everybody's looking at Curry and his job,
17:48along with others that are easy.
17:49And I'm looking like I saw him tentative to put it on the floor, and I'm kind of getting
17:54mad.
17:54And I'm like, no.
17:56Moses never told you that, Goo.
17:58You thought he was better than he was because of who he was around.
18:01Go back to your guys' conversation, which was awesome, by the way, with Clifford Wreck.
18:06Oh, man.
18:07Please, everybody, if you didn't hear this, go take 15 minutes on the Odyssey app and YouTube
18:14and go listen to this.
18:16Talk a lot of voice.
18:17I mean, man.
18:17So shout out to the 1975 championship team, and we'll mention it a few times during the
18:25show, that they're going to be out there tomorrow at the team store, and you can go get an autograph
18:28and everything.
18:29But I loved his story about he arrives to the Warriors and immediately sees that the whole
18:36team is having a hard time getting along with Rick Barry, which surprises no one.
18:42Rick's a phenomenal basketball player, Hall of Famer, a great talker, but if you've been
18:46around Rick for more than two minutes, you're like, oh, that was a little edgy there sometimes.
18:50I could not care less.
18:51Exactly.
18:52So what does Clifford do?
18:55He calls a meeting with everybody who's not Rick and not the coaches and says, all right,
19:01who here in the room feels like you can average 35 a night?
19:06Nobody raises their hand.
19:07He said it, nobody.
19:07All right, then your job is to figure out how to get along with Rick Barry.
19:14Same thing here.
19:15I know everyone gets along with Steph, but that's the deal.
19:19The rest of these dudes that were playing, like, that's, yes, you're role players, and
19:24you can't play this role that everybody tried to play last night.
19:28Man.
19:29They're not able.
19:31Yeah, I mean, but, like, the thing is, though, you do need capable players.
19:36Like, one of the reasons why, I forget, someone called in earlier, and they were talking about,
19:40like, the lack of depth, and I think it's on display last night, but we talked about the
19:44game in 2022, late in the season, when they were at Miami, where they won that game, and
19:50that was the difference between them hosting the finals and having to go to Boston in game
19:54one.
19:54So, important game, turned out.
19:56Now, that game, they had Jordan Poole, Andrew Wiggins, Damian Lee, and Jonathan Kamingo
20:05was actually, he actually played well in that game, but they didn't have their big three.
20:08Curry, Draymond, Klay, who was backed by then, all out.
20:12They beat a team led by Jimmy Butler and had the majority of their starters healthy for that
20:17game.
20:18They can't do that now.
20:20No.
20:20Like, if they're missing their big three, they can't go out and do that.
20:24And so, that's why, for the person who called in and said, just look at the difference in
20:28groups, like, one's a championship team and one is struggling to look like a play-in team
20:34right now.
20:34I can kind of understand that, because last night, those are the guys that have to help
20:39your big three, not the Poole's and the Wiggins'.
20:43But I don't know, are you guys bothered by that?
20:46Like, remember when the Niners played Atlanta?
20:47When you say bothered.
20:48Well, like, I think that that's not abnormal, right?
20:53Like, when the Niners played Atlanta, what was our narrative the next morning?
20:56Oh, they can run the ball because George is back.
21:00Okay.
21:00Right.
21:01George is back.
21:02Now, suddenly, there are holes in the offensive line that weren't there for four or five weeks.
21:07That's the way it always is.
21:08Like, major, major players have an unbelievable trickle-down effect on those other players.
21:14And I don't know what you guys all thought.
21:17Like, what were you expecting when you sat down last night?
21:20I got truly an L.
21:20But not even just an L.
21:21Like, what does it look like?
21:23Like, did you think that Moses...
21:24I thought he would...
21:25Yeah.
21:25I got duped on something.
21:27I couldn't believe that Will Richard put up a goose.
21:29Okay.
21:30Where was Will?
21:31I thought that was...
21:32Are we asking...
21:33And he's been a guy saying, but are we asking too much of Will, though?
21:35I mean, it's no big deal.
21:35Oh, God, it's his 17th game as a pro.
21:37No doubt.
21:37Like, I'm not worried about it.
21:39Either am I, but I'm like, man.
21:40Yeah, we all want to see, like, okay, who's going to be the dog tonight?
21:45Because this is your time.
21:45They got no dogs.
21:47And they got no dogs.
21:48You have a bunch of role players.
21:49And of your role players, and we always joke about role players play better at home.
21:53I do think that that's the case.
21:55And if you're looking at your role players, you probably aren't going to get them to all play really well most of the time.
22:01Like, Moses Moody, unbelievable quarter, phenomenal game.
22:05And then, you know, last night, 3 of 12, just, you know, didn't quite have it.
22:09And so, if you're looking to rely on your role players, you're in a whole heap of trouble.
22:14Can you get consistent play out of some of them?
22:16I do think you can.
22:17But my biggest issue with the others, as you like to call them, is the majority of them are one-way players.
22:23GP2 you can play, but, boy, take him out on offense.
22:27And, you know, Quinton Post, not really a great defender yet, but he healed the same thing.
22:31So, for me, that's the deep flaw with your depth, is that you don't have a lot of two-way guys.
22:37Moses should be that, but apparently he's a streaky shooter.
22:41Catch and shoot.
22:41Yeah.
22:42Yeah, I mean, they're all players that are built to, or that have to play around the big three.
22:47And when those guys aren't there, there's no one that can do much.
22:52I mean, again, that 22 team, like, you may not have liked Poole, but he could do some things.
22:57On his own.
22:57Wiggins had been previously a number one, not a good team, but had experience as that kind of guy.
23:03Like, so there were players on that team that could do things without Steph, Klay, Dre.
23:10A lot of these players, and part of it is because of the system that they've been developed in,
23:15but their skill sets are made to complement the Currys and the Butlers.
23:22And so when they're not there, it's just like, what am I watching?
23:25And that's why you tell me, Willard, I should have just said it to you, but I told Evan, we started the show, Dibs.
23:31Kaminga came to my mind yesterday.
23:33Like, we need him more now than ever, I believe.
23:36In those spots, absolutely.
23:37I know.
23:38He's a guy who can at least, like, try to do it on his own.
23:41There's no doubt.
23:42I mean, if you...
23:43That's what I was thinking.
23:44It's funny.
23:44I don't disagree with you guys, but that's if you make the season about games like that.
23:49And I don't.
23:50Those are going to be the one-offs.
23:51There's going to be a handful more.
23:53I'll agree with you for a different reason.
23:56I mean, again, going back to this article by Slater, they said it.
24:00Jimmy said it.
24:01Draymond said it.
24:02I believe it.
24:04Can the Warriors, because they've got Hall of Fame players, can they be a solid team?
24:09Sure.
24:10Sure.
24:10If you want them to do something special, then J.K. needs to be that first five games, J.K.
24:16No doubt about it.
24:17He has to be.
24:18What happened?
24:19And if he's not that guy, then they need to turn him into a different human being who
24:23will be that guy.
24:24Come January.
24:24So, like, that, to me, that's the whole...
24:27I feel like that's where we're headed.
24:28I think they're up the staircase, but to get to the top or near the top of the staircase,
24:33something special is going to have to happen.
24:35I will say this, though.
24:36That road trip being done, I feel like it closed the book on something.
24:41Don't...
24:41Go?
24:42Evan said the same thing.
24:43They're about to go.
24:45Okay.
24:45They're about to go.
24:46I hope so.
24:47He's 40.
24:47Tell me when to go.
24:48Don't worry about the 9-8.
24:49I think he's about to go.
24:50Okay.
24:51I hate that 9-8.
24:52Yeah, I know.
24:53Yeah, whatever.
24:54Sounds like 6-7.
24:55All right.
24:569-8.
24:579-8.
24:58Ah!
24:59Well, this is about to go right here on 95.7 The Game.
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