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00:00Welcome to the Ombudsman's Office of the Ombudsman.
00:30Saksi si Salimarefran.
01:00We have to look if it's possible na nangyari yun. It's something that we have to look at. Kasi logical flow lahat yan. It has to be believable in the first place.
01:11Kasama rin sa iniimbestigahan si dating Executive Secretary Lucas Bersamin.
01:15Possible din. Possible din. Kasi may relationship siya rito eh. And it was is wild eh. Bago yan naging PLLO, USEC yan sa OP eh.
01:24Apo ng dating Executive Secretary si Adrian Bersamin na dating Undersecretary ng Presidential Legislative Liaison Office o PLLO.
01:31Matagal na raw nasa radar ni Ramulya ang nakababatang Bersamin.
01:36May naranasan kami sa DOJ na tila ang siya ang nakialam sa appointment process.
01:43At yan, I took it against many people who were responsible for that.
01:49Kasi nga, we need, ang prosecutors natin, pinipili natin based on our confidence.
01:56And some people were not appointed accordingly.
01:58Or were appointed without our, without even consulting us on that matter.
02:06Meron pa ang iba mga magkakataon.
02:08That this young Undersecretary was using the name of the President.
02:14There have been other incidents.
02:16Ang lumalabas raw ngayon sa investigasyon ayon kay Ramulya, may conspiracy to commit plunder.
02:22Si na dating USEC Bersamin, dating DPWH Undersecretary Roberto Bernardo, at dating Depend Undersecretary Trijiv Olaivar.
02:31Sa talumpati ni Sen. Panfilo Lacson kahapon, pinangalanan niya si na Adrian Bersamin at Olaivar
02:37na ginagamit umano ang pangalan ni Pangulong Marcos para paikutin si Co. sa issue ng budget insertions.
02:43Batay raw yan sa pahayag ni Bernardo.
02:46Ayon pa kay Ramulya, tinitingnan na ng Department of Justice na gawing state witness si Bernardo.
02:52May alok na rin daw itong magbalik ng pera sa gobyerno.
02:55At least 10 deliveries.
02:58The modus that they, yung arrangement nila is, may tigay sa silang armor ban.
03:04May armor ban si USEC Olaivar, may armor ban siya.
03:08Magpapark sa basement ng Diamond Hotel, darating yung ban driven by Olaivar.
03:16And possibly, sabi niya, hindi siya sigurado, and possibly along with Adrian Bersamin.
03:21Bakanti yung armor ban, ipapark, idadrive yung isang ban na puno ng pera.
03:28Ranging from 800 million hanggang 2 billion.
03:32Bersamin, Olaivar, and Bernardo were working together in practically laundering money.
03:41In the narration of Bernardo, this money laundering already.
03:45That's already a major offense that's being committed.
03:48Kasi nga, nakasakay na sa armored van eh.
03:51Yung pera sa kanyang narration, di ba?
03:54At inililipat sa kabilang armored van, o nagpapalit siya nun ng armored van,
03:59they drive off with the van, with the money.
04:01Iniiwan naman yung isa naman para punuin ulit ng pera.
04:07Nakapangilabot yung ganito mga kwento.
04:10Pero there must be veracity in it.
04:12Baka may katotohanan yan.
04:14I think it's believable.
04:17Pero syempre, we will also look at the other evidence available.
04:19Runder yan eh.
04:20Kasi, ano yan eh, nagkasundo kayo, nakunin itong perang ito na hindi naman sa kanila eh.
04:26They don't have a right to that money.
04:28Anong kinalaman nila sa pera yun, ba't hawak nila?
04:31Sinisikap naming makuha ang panig na mga nabanggit ni Remuya.
04:34Ipinagtanggol naman ni dating Executive Secretary Bersamin ang kanyang apo.
04:38You cannot expect him to do anything na hindi utok ma sa nakakataasan at yan.
04:44He belongs on the evidence and we will respect his declaration there.
04:49Pero sa tingin ko lang, batay lang sa mga kwento ni Salico at ni Bernardo,
04:57hindi ko naman pwedeng sabihin na naniniwala akong agad.
05:00Alam mo, naging judge, abogado ako na matagal.
05:03Itong mga bagay nito, yung mga paratang na ganito, should ultimately be established in court.
05:10Nang tanungin kung handa bang humarap sa isang formal na investigasyon si dating E.S. Bersamin para linisin ang kanyang pangalan,
05:18Anya bukas siyang harapin ang anumang kasong isasampalaban sa kanya sa korte.
05:22Pero hindi na raw kailangang sa Senado pa siya humarap.
05:25I stand by my integrity. About two months ago, naglabas na ako ng statement.
05:31Wala akong kinalaman kay Mr. Bernardo at saka kay Trigy Bulaybar.
05:37Kung meron bang mga tao na gusto akong i-implicate dyan,
05:41itigil nyo na yan, idemandan nyo na lang ako para sagutin ko ng tama.
05:45Itinanggiri ni Bersamin ang aligasyon kaugday sa budget insertion.
05:49Yung office of the executive secretary does not have anything to do with insertions or budget.
05:55Our own budget, yun ang sinusumpit namin.
05:58Pero yung makikialang namin sa budget ng ibang agency,
06:01hindi namin ginagawa yan. Hindi namin kasalama sa aming trabaho yan.
06:06Dagdag pa ni Bersamin, hindi siya nag-resign.
06:09Taliwas sa anunsyo ng Presidential Communications Office noong lunes
06:12na ginawa raw yun ni Bersamin dahil sa delikadesa.
06:16Pwento ni Bersamin, isang malapit daw niyang kaibigan na hindi na niya pinangalanan
06:21ang tumawag sa kanya.
06:23Somebody hold me up, tell me na I am believe as executive secretary,
06:28exit na ako. Walang problema yan. I will accept that
06:31because I am only serving at the pleasure of the president.
06:34Ang akin lang is when they make an announcement about my personal,
06:40well like did I resign or not,
06:41they should have consulted me first.
06:44Korte si Yan, di ba?
06:45Huwag naman yung i-announce na lang nila.
06:47You are the last to be told.
06:49Hinihingan namin ang pahayagang Malacanang kaugnay nito.
06:53Para sa GMA Integrated News,
06:55ako si Salima Rapra ng inyong sexy.
06:58Posibleng ihain na ng ombudsman sa korte
07:00ang kaso laban sa mag-asawang Curly at Sara Descaya
07:04sa mga susunod na araw.
07:05May sagot naman ng ombudsman sa sinasabi
07:07ng abogado ni dating Congressman Zaldico
07:09na pre-judged o nahusgahan na umano ang kaso nito.
07:14Saksi si Mackie Polib.
07:16SB 25 CRM 003
07:23People vs. Zaldico
07:27Zaldico
07:28Naraffle na sa Sandigan Bayan
07:31ang mga kasong inihain laban kinadating
07:33Congressman Zaldico,
07:35mga dating opisyal ng DPWH Mimaropa
07:37at mga opisyal ng construction company
07:39na SunWest.
07:41Nagbunutan para ma-assign kung saan
07:43division ng Sandigan Bayan didinggi na mga kaso,
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