00:00benvenuti a 16 noni con noi il regista michel franco benvenuto il film di cui parleremo oggi
00:12è dreams diretto da michel franco dreams racconta la relazione intensa tra jennifer
00:17jessica chenstein filantropa dell'alta società americana e fernando isaac hernandez giovane
00:23ballerino messicano in cerca di un futuro negli stati uniti un legame passionale e complesso
00:27che diventa metafora dei rapporti tra nord e sud del mondo tra privilegio e desiderio il rapporto
00:33tra jennifer e fernando si pone come metafora della relazione tra stati uniti e messico potresti
00:39descrivere come hai costruito visivamente e narrativamente questa relazione tra nazioni
00:44all'interno di una storia d'amore my main interest is the love story the shift of power the power dynamics
00:52uh how two people that love each other so much can harm each other uh when when the love
01:00relationship test them or the outside the factors that surround them but of course i knew from the
01:07moment i had the idea that it represents the two countries uh and i left i i want to leave that
01:16for the audience to grab um i know it's always there and and that's why the film finishes the way it
01:25finishes without spoiling it now uh and that's why jennifer jessica chastain's character in mexico
01:34she's a different person she has two lives in a way and she thinks that with money she can solve
01:41everything so yes it talks about the two countries but for me it's more about the intimate relationship
01:47il film contiene elementi di potere vulnerabilità privilegio e dipendenza ad esempio tra chi ha e chi
01:53aspira ad avere quando hai scritto il personaggio di jennifer come pensato al suo privilegio e la sua
01:59responsabilità nei confronti di fernando at first i was writing it in a more obvious way that means that
02:05she was going to be a republican from texas and everything was a bit too simple and then we
02:12decided to do it in san francisco to make her a liberal to make it a democrat uh i talked a lot
02:19with jessica about how not to play it in such a simple way uh and i left a lot of the work to jessica
02:30that's why i like working with her because she does a lot of the work on her own uh so yes i i try to
02:40not make it too simple per fernando il passo dal sogno al rischio lasciare tutto attraversare il
02:46confine è anche un riflesso dell'esperienza migrante quanto hai lavorato con l'attore hernandez che è un
02:52ballerino di formazione per integrare quel background fisico performativo nel personaggio
02:58because he's more of a dancer than an actor uh i don't do rehearsals but we spend a lot of time
03:05in san francisco where where he was the main dancer of that company where we shot we spend a lot of time
03:11together driving around in his car talking a lot and i think that's how i got him ready or we both got
03:18ready got ready for the shooting just talking a lot and yes his physicality uh turned many of the
03:26scenes into choreography somehow but it happened in a natural way i trusted him a big deal because of his
03:35experience as a dancer in diverse interviste hai dichiarato che il sesso il corpo la vulnerabilità
03:40fisica sono per te strumenti narrativi molto forti ad esempio hai detto sex reveals who we really are
03:48in che modo hai pensato alle scene più intime viscerali presenti in dreams rispetto alla dimensione
03:54del trauma dell'abuso di potere e della seduzione what's really important on every sex scene in the movie
04:02in dreams is that it it narrativi it works the film couldn't do without them and they show a different
04:10aspect of the relationship uh so the first sexual scene when when he arrives after risking his life
04:17it's a very simple uh romantic uh more natural and then it keeps changing and like you say it represents
04:26the anxiety and uh the place where the characters are at what's interesting is that in a way the decisions that
04:34jessica's character makes is what keeps changing the reality of fernando and what keeps making that
04:43every time they encounter again uh the sex uh the relationships express where they're at but it's
04:52because of her decisions up until the end of the film where where he finally tries to take power uh so
04:59yes sex is a main element in this film i couldn't imagine it without the intimate sense
05:06il film ha un finale che diversi spettatori hanno giudicato crudemente inevitabile oppure divisivo
05:12senza chiederti di spoilerare troppo come hai pensato quel finale come catarsi come esplicitazione
05:19del conflitto o qualcos'altro i try to be true uh truthful to my characters i try to not impose any
05:28action to them when i'm writing ideally they should show me what they would do and i believe that that
05:39fernando had no other i mean of course he had a better option uh than to make the mistake he does but but
05:46but uh when he's challenged uh he he does what he does and that's why i think the tragedy is inevitable
05:54nel mondo di oggi con migrazioni confini disuguaglianze sempre sotto i riflettori quali
06:01credi sia il sogno più urgente di cui parlare e come il cinema può aiutare a raccontarlo i think people are
06:09just looking for uh you know a fair life a fair and an equal uh ground of opportunities uh and and it's clearly not the case in in in for people of most countries you know
06:25in the world unfortunately there's uh a b c and and all the way i mean nobody ever talks about how
06:33africa is completely forgotten and the immigration that you see of uh africans coming to to europe
06:41looking for a better life it's heartbreaking uh but it's a very challenging uh subject matter for for
06:47everyone so i think what dreams show uh my movie is uh not only relevant for the relationship between
06:55mexico and the states i think it's happening everywhere people are just looking for a better
07:00life grazie mille grazie
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