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00:00One of cricket's greatest ever performers, the greatest leg spinner to ever play the
00:21game, a man who inspired generations of leg spinners, Shane Warren, Shane, Warnie, is dead.
00:33The 52-year-old is suspected to have died of a heart attack inside a holiday villa in Thailand
00:38on Friday. Reports say his friends found him unresponsive in his bedroom and called an ambulance.
00:46News of Warren's death broke 12 hours after he tweeted a tribute to another former Australian
00:51great Rod Marsh. Marsh died on Thursday at the age of 74, a week after suffering a massive
01:00heart attack. The cricketing world has been paying tribute to both men. The legend arrest
01:05Indian Brian Lara among them. About Warren, Lara said, quote, we've lost one of the greatest
01:11sportsmen of all time. My friend is gone, end quote. The freshly minted sports journalist
01:18of the year in Jamaica, Donald Oliver, has penned this tribute to the leg spinning wizard.
01:27Test cricket in England for Shane Warren. The news of Shane Warren's passing was as shocking
01:32as his bowl of the century. And he's done it. His first bowl on English soil in the always
01:37competitive Ashes series. Mike Gatting bamboozled will go down as one of the all-time great cricketing
01:44visuals. Gatting has absolutely no idea what has happened to it. Was he the greatest leg
01:48spinner of all time? Yes. Gatts sort of makes me look really good. But his teammates, his
01:57rivals, his contemporaries will remember his personality and humour more than anything else.
02:02Follows the drift a little bit. And you know, if it had it been a sandwich or something, he
02:06probably wouldn't have missed it. But he simply couldn't get enough of cricket's first playboy,
02:10who was nicknamed Hollywood. For those who witnessed him casually from the beaches of the Caribbean,
02:17his rivalry with Weston, his own superstar Brian Lara in particular, was legendary. And along with
02:24this battle with Indian legend Sachin Tendulkar, it defined this generation's sporting age.
02:30Tossing the ball from hand to hand, the graceful glide to the wicket was mimicked by those who
02:38endeavoured to replicate in the schoolyard or on the streets. He was one of the game's greatest
02:43marketers. But he wasn't perfect. Always in the headlines, he was there for the wrong reasons
02:50at times. He accepted money from an Indian bookie to provide information, and he was banned from
02:57cricket for a year after testing positive for a diuretic just before the 2003 World Cup.
03:02At the time, the blame was laid at his mom's feet after she gave him a pill to lose weight.
03:09Warren was derided. And then of course, post-international retirement, his clash with West Indian cricketer
03:16Marlon Samuels in the Big Bash brought about another sort of rivalry. Warren's transgressions
03:23cost him full-time captaincy of Australia's team. He was never going to be the role model
03:27needed for the job. But his cricketing brain was second to none, and it was proven after
03:33leading the Rajasthan Royals to their only Indian Premier League crown in 2008.
03:39Despite all his faults, one could not deny his genius. One of Wisden's five cricketers of the
03:46century. 708 wickets in tests. 293 wickets in one-day internationals. Australia's star boy,
03:55Shane Warren. He's larger than life. He's Shane Warren.
04:01Well, former international cricket umpire, Jamaica's Steve Buckner stood in many matches involving
04:10the Aussie legend. And Steve Buckner joins us this afternoon. Steve Buckner, good afternoon,
04:14sir. Yes, sir. Good afternoon. Shane Warren, you, as we said, stood in many, many games across
04:22the world where he was involved. Talk to us about the player, Shane Warren.
04:27Well, I regard him as the best spin bowler this world has ever seen, without doubt. In other
04:35words, he accepted challenges and he wanted to bowl to the best batsmen. And that is the
04:41type of person Shane Warren was. He didn't back down from bowling to anyone. And I knew that
04:49I knew that they had some of those back batters from India who really knocked him about the
04:56place. Brenler had the same thing, but he never back down from bowling to anyone. And as a human,
05:03he was one of the nicer guys off the cricket field. And this is what many persons would not
05:09have known, that at times during the game, the opposition would be asking questions. Some younger
05:17bowler from the other team would be asking, and he's giving them his honest opinion, how
05:24to bowl this ball, how to bowl that ball. And that is the type of person that he was like.
05:31Steve, I noticed you said, Steve Buckner, that Shane, in your estimation, is the greatest
05:38spinner of all time. I see people trying to say he's the greatest leg spinner, but you've said
05:43the greatest spinner. Tell us why.
05:46Now, the law governs actions. He was a clean action. And there was nothing that assisted him,
05:58whether 10 degrees, 5 degrees. Therefore, he was bowling according to the laws of the game.
06:08That is how he was performing. Straight elbow. Therefore, whatever he got, he got it without
06:14the help of anyone from the board. Board members or anyone who made things happen for him.
06:25And I understand what you're saying. And to put it in context for the viewers who may be lost,
06:30a few of them, because cricketing people know what you're talking about, the controversy around the
06:35man who is regarded by many as the greatest spinner of all time, certainly the greatest
06:40off-spinner, and the issues with his elbow and the extension and the degrees to which
06:45to which it bends and all that. Steve Buckner, you're saying that because Warren's arm and his
06:50action was pure, there was no controversy about it. You didn't have to guess and spell whether or not you were
06:55seeing a pure action. You're saying because of that technical excellence, in your estimation, he is the
07:00greatest spinner the world has ever seen.
07:02That's exactly what I'm saying. And he would get batsmen out, not only by bowling that ball, but sometimes he
07:12talked them into making mistakes. He offered them something that maybe was not there. Or you could not see his offerings.
07:24But he would talk you into making mistakes out there. And that is what he was like. He was a fierce
07:30competitor. He was willing to bowl and bowl and bowl for the whole day. He was not necessarily the easiest
07:38person to umpire to. But once you get into the groove, then you can see exactly what he's doing. And he plans his
07:51wickets. He knows how to get certain batsmen out. And there are times he talks the umpire into what he's doing. In other words, he's saying to you, get this straight, get this one straight. He's saying to the umpire that he's bowling a straight, he's going to bowl a straight ball.
08:09So you don't have to guess whether or not there was turn on that delivery. So he would try to make things happen. And that is what he was like. He was one of the greatest competitors I've ever umpired. And as a person, not many persons would disagree that he was likable off the field.
08:31Off the field. On the field, he's something else. But off the field, he's one of the nicer guys. He would give you a shirt if he had a second.
08:41Yes. Steve, I was telling one of my colleagues, in fact, our senior producer, the man who puts a charge, who's in charge of putting the zone together day in day out, Ricardo Chambers, I was saying to him that they had read a passage from Richie Beno in one of those cricketing books, those manuals that as a youngster, if you want to know the cricket, you have to read to know the history. And Richie Beno, Steve, had identified three cricketers who were very young at the time before they had achieved anything remarkable.
09:09And he said those three cricketers, in his estimation, would go on to have great careers if they remained fit and stayed true to the game. And those cricketers he identified, Steve Buckner, were Brian Charles Lara of the West Indies, Sachin Tendulkar of India, and Shane Warren of Australia.
09:27I say that to you to ask, if when you saw Shane Warren in those early days performing, the earliest time you stood in a match where he was playing, did you see the ingredients there that would suggest that this man, this boy then, would go on to have one of the all-time great careers if he stayed true to the game?
09:46My first time seeing Shane Warren was at Sabina Park, when an under-20 Australian team toured the Caribbean.
09:56And he was great then.
09:59It was at the same time that young Paul scored a century for, it was in West Indies under-19.
10:04I saw him, and I didn't believe that people could spin that ball so much. He was 20 years old.
10:12So that was just my first encounter with Shane Warren, realizing that this is someone for the future.
10:19So you answered the question in that way, to say that, like Richard Beno, based on what you saw early, you thought that this boy could be great if he kept at it?
10:28That was my belief then, and the point was proven later on, that he would take on the world, and he would conquer maybe 90% of the world.
10:41But that is Shane Warren for you.
10:44He was afraid of nothing, and there's something about Shane Warren that I am sorry that he did not go on to Captain Australia.
10:52He was one of those persons who believed in winning, and he is an attacking cricketer.
11:00He wants to get you out.
11:02The team could declare a 12-50, and for the day, Shane Warren believed that he can win.
11:09And that was the message that he passed on to everyone on the field, that we are going for a win.
11:15We are going for a win.
11:16There's no draw in his book, nothing in the itinerary to say that we are not going to play to win.
11:23And that is what made him the type of bowler.
11:27And especially if he is being knocked about the place, he is now more dangerous because he starts bowling that ball in the rough.
11:34And not many batsmen could control playing shots out of the rough once he is pitching so wide of legstone.
11:43And many of West Indians lost their wickets, bowled behind them, trying to play shots when he was pitching in the rough.
11:51So he knew how to get batters out, and he would tease them into playing for a shot.
11:59Right.
12:00Yeah.
12:01Steve, you know, when I think about Shane Warren, maybe before you leave in our final few minutes,
12:06it's just the legacy that he would also leave as a commentator because I remember him explaining the game to a tee whenever he did commentary.
12:15Well, if you listen, Shane Warren, he is something of the mold of a Mikey Holden.
12:22He talks again.
12:24He is not defending Australia.
12:26He is talking cricket.
12:27So he is saying that this is what is happening.
12:30To get a wicket, this is what the bowler should be doing.
12:34These are the three placements, three placings that you need to entice the batsman into playing for a shot.
12:42And he is talking about cricket.
12:44Not how Australia to win the game, but how the opposition, what they should be doing to get wickets.
12:52What the batsman should be doing to remain out there to play the type of cricket that, you know, would produce runs.
13:01So he, with the microphone close by, will be talking cricket.
13:07And he knew cricket to the depth.
13:11No bias whatsoever, George.
13:12Yeah, yeah.
13:13Steve, that's all the time I want to say thank you for this perspective.
13:17Really appreciate it.
13:19It's a unique perspective that only one in your position could have provided.
13:23And, yeah, we've lost a great one, Steve.
13:25Cricket to the poor of a Shane Horn's passing.
13:27But that legacy that Mariah spoke about is there for the future generations to know just what kind of a competitive man he was on the pitch.
13:38Yes, sir.
13:39Thank you very much for the opportunity.
13:41And I'm only hoping that there is someone from the Australian camp that could rise to the heights of a Shane Horn.
13:55Very difficult, but he's definitely one of the greats.
14:00Yes, sir.
14:01Thank you again, Steve.
14:02All the best.
14:03Okay.
14:04Good, good.
14:04Thanks for the occasion, sir.
14:06Good, good.
14:06When we take a break, we come back with more perspectives on the legendary Australian Shane Warren.
14:12Would you hold my hand in my soul, would you help me stand?
14:28Never in the history of cricket, certainly in my generation, I speak for my generation now,
14:53was any other cricketer, not even a West Indian, emulated on the playground as much as this man was.
15:00We copied everything he did to the sunblock on his lips, the way he walked to the crease,
15:07almost as if he didn't really want to bowl, then, oh, what the heck, and he just bowled it.
15:11The way he spun the ball, we tried to spin tennis balls.
15:14There was the Wicked Keeper imitating Ian Healy.
15:17Well, barrowed Shane, well, barrowed Warren, all of that, we did that because of how Shane Warren played the game.
15:24We never, those of us born in the 80s in Jamaica, never saw a cricketer like that before.
15:29He was pure box office.
15:32And for all his indiscretions off the field, which personally I don't care about,
15:35I don't care what sportsmen and women get up to when they are not playing their respective games,
15:41let me tell you, this man, his impact, tremendous, and his death, news of his death, hit me personally this morning.
15:48It was almost as if a member of the family had died.
15:52So we're talking about Shane Warren, dead at age 52, found unresponsive at his holiday villa in Thailand,
15:59and, yeah, the cricketing world paying tribute.
16:02Of course, we couldn't do this without turning to the perspective of a man who,
16:06his commentary in 1999, I was in high school, I could not forget Fazir Mohamed calling the test in Barbados,
16:16between the West Indies and Australia, and Brian Lara's great innings to win that test, 153 not out,
16:23and everything else, Fazir, I don't have to qualify what he knows, Fazir just knows,
16:28and we had to hear him talk about Shane Warren.
16:31Welcome again to the Sportsman's Zone, Fazir.
16:33Not the reason you would have expected us to be calling you, even 18 hours ago, 12 hours ago,
16:39we were set to talk to you about the West Indies women, which we will later on in the show,
16:44but talk to me about this news of Shane Warren's death, and the man, the legend, and maybe even the myth around him.
16:52Shocking, very shocking, and we've headlined this talking about Warren and Marsh.
16:57Let's not forget Rod Marsh passed away, but when you look at the other name, Rod Marsh had suffered a serious heart attack a week ago,
17:04and the prognosis wasn't particularly encouraging, so still sad that he passed away at the age of 74,
17:11part of an outstanding Australian team in the 1970s, when they actually earned the title,
17:17the Ugly Australians, because of their competitiveness, their brashness, under the captaincy of Ian Chappell.
17:23Also, let's not forget, and of course this would have been highlighted previously, right here on Sportsmax,
17:28Easton McMorris of Jamaica and West Indies, Sonny Ramanin of Trinidad and Tobago and the West Indies,
17:34but you're right, when you look at the impact of a Shane Warren, he was a man for his era.
17:42You talk about the fact that from your own perspective, and you can understand your point,
17:45from your perspective, no one captured the imagination of the cricketing world like a Shane Warren,
17:52but I can tell you that there are many young men of East Indian descent in Trinidad and Tobago
17:56who are named Sachin, because of a Sachin Tertulka.
18:00There are many in Jamaica who are called Rohan, because of Rohan Kanai.
18:04There are many in other parts of the world who idolize the cigar field sobers, and so on and so on.
18:10But Shane Warren came to life in the era of mass media, and therefore we saw everything about him.
18:18The fact that he was Australian, the fact that he was white, the fact that the Ashes series is presented
18:23as the biggest thing in cricket on the face of the earth.
18:26Everything that he would have done, and he was so phenomenally successful against England
18:32in those Ashes series would have just have taken his already outstanding achievements
18:38to another level simply because of the exposure.
18:42Yeah, and you heard me being keen to limit it to my generation,
18:48because of course I know the stories, reading of course what CLR James wrote
18:52about the people who inspired him.
18:54And you talk about the Rohans and so forth around the Caribbean and the Sachins.
18:58Don't forget the numerous Larrys who were named after Lord Constantine himself.
19:04But the point is, Fazir, that as you said, here was a box office cricketer.
19:08Before my generation, certainly my father and his brothers before him
19:13didn't get the chance to watch a five-day test in high definition, in color on their television,
19:19and watch the revolutions of a ball wobbling in the air as it pitched and where it landed,
19:24and see the histrionic shouting almost, entreating the umpire to give him a call.
19:29We saw all these things.
19:31And it was funny that you'd have Australia playing the West Indies,
19:35or Australia playing somebody else.
19:36We'd watch it on the TV, we'd go to the playground,
19:40and rather than try to play like BC Lara, or to play like Shiv, or Jimmy,
19:43or Richard Richardson in the hat, or whatever,
19:46everybody, including those who batting was the strong point of their game,
19:50were trying to do something like Warren did.
19:53And I'm talking about impact, Fazir.
19:55And when you do anything in life, you want to have an impact.
19:58Even if you're a humble man, even if you're an extrovert, like Warren certainly was,
20:03he delivered, he backed up the hype more times than not.
20:07And that's the hallmark of a great sportsman.
20:09What kind of man he was otherwise, not my business.
20:12He was a great sportsman because he backed up the talk almost all the time.
20:17I hear you on that.
20:18There's no argument there, George.
20:20But I think it's important.
20:21Of course, he's just passed away.
20:23And you don't want to appear mean-spirited to try to highlight the indiscretion.
20:28But from a performance point of view, the numbers speak for themselves.
20:32Averaging over five wickets per test match, 145 tests, 700 wickets.
20:38And again, but it has to be pointed out that he was really a man for the big occasion,
20:45that first ball in his first Ashes series.
20:47And again, the reason I bring up some other perspective, which some may feel is taking away some of his credit,
20:54is the fact that we seem to accept almost everything that was presented as fact.
21:00Because if you read some of the coverage now, if you said, for example, that, again, that so-called bowl of the century,
21:07why is it automatically accepted as bowl of the century?
21:12Also, it was said that spin wasn't fashionable until he turned up.
21:17But the Indians about that in the 1970s, tell these South Africans about that before they were kicked out because of apartheid,
21:25because they had four leg spin, leg break and googly bowlers.
21:28They talk about Clary Grimmett, the Australian, whose actual wicket-taking rate is greater than Warren's,
21:35but he only played a handful of test matches, 37 compared to Warren's 145.
21:40But I take your point, Warren is the man for the big occasion.
21:45But it's ironic also that we're having a discussion when you introduced it with my commentary from 1999,
21:51when I rudely took the time that should have been allocated to Don Simmons to do the finish of the match,
21:57but that's another story.
21:59But the fact is that in that series, Shane Warren took three wickets for 279 runs
22:05and was dropped for the final test match, and he said after that he needed to reconsider his future.
22:11But then, within a matter of weeks, he was a match winner for Australia in the World Cup in England of 1999.
22:18So yes, he was a man who had that incredible belief in himself.
22:23And it's that type of belief which says that even your own discretion, indiscretions,
22:28you don't see them as indiscretions.
22:30And that's one of the things, Georgia, that I'm sure you know in reading and studying
22:34about these great sports personalities, male or female,
22:38they always believe that they can achieve it, and they always believe that they are right.
22:44And in the case of Shane Warren, you look at his tremendous achievements,
22:49and you recognize that here was someone who was certainly one of the greats in the game.
22:53Yeah, and joining us now, we have Wavell Hines with us,
22:56and I'm going to pose the question to Wavell, of course, you know,
22:59as we continue to celebrate the legacy of Shane Warren.
23:04Wavell, your most memorable moment of Shane.
23:08All right, thanks for having me.
23:09Good evening to you and your panelists,
23:11and of course your listening audience and watching audience.
23:18My greatest experience in Shane Warren would have probably been off the field.
23:22Adelaide, Australia in 2006, where we lost a test match to Australia,
23:29but to Brian Lara scored a double century,
23:31and that passed, I think surpassed Alan Butler's record for the most runs in test cricket.
23:39And we sat in a gesture between myself and Brian Lara and Jeremy Larson,
23:44and just going through how he thinks and believes the game should be played.
23:49I'm not a great believer in warm-ups of cricket.
23:52I learned that in that moment, and believe very much in himself
23:57and always encourage people to believe in their abilities in terms of how you practice,
24:01what you want to do, and believe that you should be your best coach
24:05and think that coaches are overrated and not necessarily have that greater impact on the game itself.
24:13But as we know, arguably the greatest opponent of the most difficult craft in cricket,
24:22it's a leg spin ball initiative, and certainly the numbers that he has put on the board
24:27are in the book, speak for themselves.
24:30But I think the way he lives his life, on and out the field,
24:34even when he got behind the microphones, he was always a guy taking the game forward,
24:38never believing in stepping backwards, always looking to bat first.
24:44He's a bat first man when he wins the toss, he needs to bat first,
24:47and always looking to play attacking cricket and putting pressure on the opposition
24:51and trying to make sure the game is playing in a fashion that all can be entertained.
24:55And so if you weren't up to that standard, then you'd be exposed in some way or form.
25:02But a great contributor to cricket, he would have moved the needle from where it was
25:08when he took the ball up in the 80s to when he would put it down,
25:12and even behind the microphones, he was always contributing in a great way.
25:16A tactician as well, captain, I think Hampshire, I think was vice-captain for Australia at some point,
25:22and captain teams in the IPL, and certainly contributed a lot to cricket,
25:26and it would be a great loss.
25:27And I want to take the opportunity to send my condolences to his family, friends,
25:31the cricketing fraternity around the world, and of course to the citizens of Australia
25:36who will still have lost a great son of their side.
25:40Yeah, Wavell, I just want you to comment on the fear factor that Shane would have brought to the game
25:46whenever he had the ball, especially, let's just say, against the West Indies.
25:50Yes, everybody will know.
25:52Every youngster playing cricket, then, when he started out, you'll hear Ian Eilis shouting,
25:58bow, shine, and Shane Owen will be at the top of his markup, fixing his error,
26:03and appealing to Steve Buttner, whomever else will be umpiring whenever the ball went anywhere close to the pads
26:08or missed the outside edge from a big spinning, but delivered with a leg spin or a googly.
26:14And a very fierce competitor, our own Brian Lauer would have had lots of battles with him
26:21and would have won most of them, but Shane Owen was certainly a handful
26:26and would have had the dressing room and their toes whenever he had the ball
26:29because the game was never finished until Shane Owen would have finished bowling.
26:34And so we know that his belief is not just about how he bones, it's just his mannerism and his mentality
26:44and the attitude that it brings sort of bring a different sort of intensity to the game itself
26:51and to that particular moment.
26:53Because in the test match, there are matches, small games within the game.
26:56And when he has the ball, those moments within the game sometimes are determining moments
27:02of how the game would have gone, how the session would have gone.
27:05So, fierce competitor and a great loss for cricket.
27:09Fazz, let me go back to Rodney Marsh because, as you rightly say,
27:13I mean, there's no reason why we should gloss over or pass over the fact that this man
27:19who's gone at age 74 was also one of cricket's outstanding performers.
27:24Much has been written already about the graphic C. Marsh B. Lily
27:28and how many times that was registered in test cricket, 95 times a record for the time that it stood.
27:35Rodney Marsh, for those who don't know Fazir, those from the younger school
27:39who don't take the time to study the game even though they love it,
27:43talk to them about who Rodney Marsh was, what he represented from Western Australia
27:48through to the Australian team and his impact.
27:50Rodney Marsh came into the Australian test team in 1970 as they were losing the ashes to England.
27:58He had seen the captain Bill Lorry basically be sacked, not just as captain but as a player,
28:04and Lorry didn't even find out until he heard it on the radio himself.
28:08And, of course, Ian Chappell was placed as captain, and Ian Chappell said he would never allow that to happen to him.
28:12But Rodney Marsh earned the nickname Iron Gloves from his first test match
28:17because Iron in the sense that the ball went in and bang, it would bounce back out
28:21because of nerves, because of some anxieties and so on.
28:24But I think Ian Chappell and those in the senior element of the Australian setup
28:30saw someone who was not just a quality cricketer but an intense competitor.
28:34You look at those numbers with those dismissals, 355, which stood as a world record
28:40when he ended his test career at the end of the 1983-84 series against Pakistan,
28:46the same time that Dennis Lilley and Greg Chappell bowed out of the game.
28:50And he was part of an Australian team that beat the Western East 5-1.
28:54Yes, there were all sorts of issues about the umpiring and so on.
28:57He came to the Caribbean with Chappell also as captain, won a famous test series in 1973.
29:011973, 2-0, the Western East didn't lose another test series in the Caribbean for another 22 years.
29:07But the bottom line about Rod Marsh was not only was he extremely hard,
29:12but was brilliant behind the stumps to Lillian Thompson, Walker, Gilmore,
29:17Kerry Jenner, the leg spinner, Kerry O'Keefe, the leg spinner, Ashley Mallard, the off spinner.
29:22But he also had his own ideas of fairness.
29:24And if you might recall that famous occasion when Greg Chappell instructed his brother Trevor Chappell
29:30to hold underarm, to prevent New Zealand from even having a chance of winning,
29:36well, not just winning, tying a one-day international,
29:39Rod Marsh was behind the stumps.
29:41And that was the early part of the stump camp era.
29:44And he said, no, mate, no, this isn't right.
29:46And he made it clear that he was totally against that idea,
29:50even though he was disagreeing with one of his great friends in Greg Chappell.
29:54So I think that's why he was so very well-respected in the game afterwards,
29:59becoming a coach, becoming a selector, becoming part of the Australian Academy,
30:03being involved in the England game as well, as a mentor and a guide,
30:09and someone who offered his expertise.
30:11So I think Rod Marsh was a lot more than just the outstanding cricketer
30:15and wicketkeeper that he was,
30:17but was someone who clearly knew the game inside out
30:20and brought all of that expertise beyond his playing days.
30:24And quickly, Fazir, I don't know if it set any trends,
30:27but I think it's noteworthy to also mention
30:30that history says that both himself and Dennis Lilley
30:34combined for the first demonstration of what player power can do in a team
30:40when history says they combined to get Kim Hughes sacked as captain.
30:43Well, that is a whole different story because, remember,
30:48both of all three of them are from Western Australia,
30:51and it spoke about the fact that many people in Australian cricket
30:55saw Kim Hughes as a pretty boy.
30:58They felt that he didn't have what it took to be the typical Australian cricketer.
31:03And yes, there was a lot going on behind the scenes in that era
31:07in Australian cricket where everyone wanted their favourite Greg Chappell as captain
31:11and would do their best to undermine Kim Hughes
31:14whenever Hughes was made captain away from home.
31:17So nobody's angelic.
31:19Let's say that you said that correctly.
31:21You focus on their performances, yes,
31:24but you don't pretend that there weren't issues as well
31:27related to their personalities
31:28and their willingness to undermine some of their own teammates
31:32who they didn't like.
31:33Yeah, Fazir, you're going to stay with us for the West Indies Women segment.
31:36Wave and hands the WIPA president and CEO.
31:38Let me put this last one to you before we go, Wavell.
31:42As I was making the point to Fazir,
31:44here was a man, Shane Warren,
31:47who wanted the hype to be him,
31:51who the Australian team and those marketing them
31:54wanted the hype to be around.
31:56He accepted that.
31:57Many players would shirk from being the one people would come to see,
32:01the one the opposition batsman would try to destroy,
32:04the one who everything rested on,
32:06or the one who wanted it to appear as if everything rested on him.
32:10Shane Warren wore that cloak with pride
32:13and more times than not he delivered.
32:16And for that Wavell, Hines,
32:17I'm asking for your support in saying
32:19that we should celebrate him for that fact,
32:21if even for that fact alone.
32:23Definitely.
32:25We need to celebrate Shane Warren for his contribution to the game
32:28and our football team.
32:30Somebody who loved the game, played the game,
32:32would have had his own issues,
32:36but contributed so much.
32:38The second highest cricket game and third cricket
32:40and won the World Cup.
32:43We have done just about everything.
32:45But at the height of Australian cricket,
32:47they were at the height of world cricket.
32:49And as you said,
32:50it was the franchise guy,
32:53the flag bearer of Australian cricket and world cricket.
32:56And he's the last option.
32:59He certainly has the last cricket.
33:00And it will be some time before we can get any start-up,
33:05I don't know,
33:06calm around how we go about moving forward.
33:09It's not behind the microphone,
33:10because commentary is very colourful
33:12and is very sport-rightness in the commentating as well.
33:16It will be me.
33:17So we want to celebrate him.
33:19And as I said,
33:20my regard to his family, friends,
33:22and the entire Australian country.
33:25And losing that son of a child.
33:27Yeah, yeah.
33:27And as we break,
33:28you know, Fazir said it, Mariah,
33:31Shane Warren and how he played the game,
33:33he caused us boys,
33:35who we became teenagers in the mid-1990s,
33:39if we were playing cricket and the ball hit the batsman's thigh,
33:42we would appeal,
33:43because that's what we saw Shane Warren do.
33:44Yeah, he wasn't sporting,
33:46but it's what we saw,
33:47and it's what we liked,
33:47it's what looked spectacular to us.
33:49Anyway, we take a break.
33:50Thank you very much,
33:50Wavell Hines,
33:51Fazir, stay where you are.
33:52We're going to take a break here on the Sportsmax Zone.
33:54We'll be right back with more cricket.
33:56We'll be right back with more cricket.
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