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00:00...Zoë Williams from The Guardian, and Andrew Pearce from The Daily Mail.

00:03You don't get much better than that. Welcome to the show.

00:05Thank you.

00:05...legacy to tackle, and it is going to be difficult.

00:08But I think the measures we're taking, like cutting the rate of corporation tax by 1% per year for the next four years.

00:13There too, we had a financial regulatory system, which Ed Miliband today apologised for,

00:17but a system actually Ed Balls designed.

00:19You know, that led to some of the problems we're seeing.

00:21Andrew Pearce, is that going to keep people...

00:23The white paper is very important.

00:24The fact that they didn't publish it, and it was during the autumn, we still haven't got it, makes you think...

00:28...is consumer confidence. Consumers have no confidence.

00:31So you're hiking up their tax, dropping corporation tax, and they don't take from that,

00:35oh, I'm confident about the corporation sector.

00:37They think, I'm being hit with VAT, unemployment, and all these things in my...

00:41...is very good on cutting money, cutting public spending, but hasn't given enough attention to stimulating growth.

00:47That is the perception, and the fact that they can't even publish a white paper underlines that fear.

00:51And I think also, you know, the notion that we're going to turn into a massive exporter to the BRIC nations

00:56when they're enormously successful at producing things and don't seem to need us.

01:00No.

01:01But actually, I suppose it is amazing.

01:02Although you do find a lot of private members' bills from Nadine Dorries trying to amend it.

01:06Yes.

01:07So I wouldn't go a bundle on the all-round excellence of the private members' bill.

01:11A lot of them are silly.

01:12Absolutely. I think it's just such a lot of courage. You know, that wasn't a vote winner.

01:17No.

01:17Nobody would have looked at that and thought, this is going to make my career.

01:21No.

01:21They would have just... It was purely a matter of conscience, and I'm so impressed by it.

01:25Yes, and tenacity in his case.

01:26Well, let's... If we paint the picture of Sally Bercow sort of draped into a sex symbol

01:31and our bedroom secrets, a good move or not, Zoe?

01:35Um, I... In the morning, I thought it was probably about as bad as when Cherie Blair

01:40had that photo of Marie Claire with Carol Kaplan doing her lipstick as a kind of weird sleepover.

01:45I've forgotten about that, yeah.

01:46I know, but it was a bit eerie.

01:47When thinking about it, I think this is actually worse.

01:51What's the reaction going to be amongst Tory MPs?

01:53Well, this will just harden the view that John Bercow, the Speaker, is becoming a laughingstock,

01:58not least because of the antics of his wife.

02:00I was talking to a very sensitive Tory MP only this week who said,

02:02that wife is doing him so much damage.

02:04And the trouble is with Sally Bercow, I've written quite a lot of harsh things about her.

02:07She says she's not taken seriously.

02:09She wants to be a politician in her own right.

02:10You can't take her seriously if she's...

02:12I think, in a way, she has been kind of backed into a corner

02:14because she's had such a lot of flack from the Tory press.

02:17She thinks she's a person in her own right.

02:19She's not, I'm afraid. She's the Speaker's wife.

02:21It's a really important point.

02:22Whenever you go into a newspaper, you've got to think,

02:24what will this look like on its own if they put it on the front page?

02:27You can't think, oh, well, all the other Speaker's wives will be in bedsheets.

02:30You've got to think, what am I going to look like?

02:32But do you think...

02:33That's the trouble.

02:34And because of her antics, it just hardens that bitterness towards her.

02:37I think as well, you know, she was quite sour about Fionn Haig

02:40when she came out and said that she'd had those miscarriages

02:42and she was saying, you know, you shouldn't be this open.

02:44Why did she have to do it? It looks very dodgy.

02:46It's actually pretty rude about when Samantha Cameron was having a baby

02:49making jokes about what the baby should be called.

02:52You'd think a mother of three would be a bit more sensitive

02:53about a mother who's lost a child.

02:55You can't expect much quarter, yeah, if you're going to be home like that.

02:57Isn't that John Burke...

02:58Oh, do you think he's got the...

02:59I don't... I don't... I think he's too small.

03:02Now, Andrew, I mean, I've got to have some influence

03:04over his wife's behavior, then how does he expect...

03:06Has a point.

03:07Do you think that sums it up?

03:08Well, look, it's not as easy as that, being married, is it?

03:10You can't just thump a gavel and say, be quiet!

03:13I think he could lock her in the tower for a bit.

03:15There's quite a few at the House of Commons.

03:16Some Sally Burke...

03:17No more from her.

03:19No, right, OK.

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