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00:00We're in the Endgame now.
00:08The Marvel Cinematic Universe is defined by the specters of flawed fathers
00:12who haunt our heroes.
00:14Talking about a guy who's happy as Dave is when he shipped me off to boarding school.
00:17Whether they're absent dads, dead dads, mistaken dads, or outright evil dads.
00:22And in Avengers Endgame, the Avengers go up against the ultimate bad dad
00:26of the whole universe, Thanos.
00:28When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive.
00:32But in fact, Infinity War already gave us an incredibly symbolic scene
00:37of this universe's founding father, Tony Stark, fighting Thanos.
00:44Which reveals a lot about how the MCU is finally resolving the daddy issues
00:49that have defined its first decade.
00:51Which happens, dads leave.
00:52No need to be a pussy or better.
00:53So we're about to break down this scene.
00:56But before we get into it, a little background.
00:58To get ready for Endgame, we've come together with a bunch of our favorite YouTubers
01:02to create this series, One Marvelous Scene.
01:06Each channel picks one scene from the last 10 years of the MCU to analyze in depth.
01:10So after you watch this, make sure to check out all the others.
01:13And you can even make your own video on this topic.
01:15Just tweet it to us, and we'll make sure it gets added to the playlist.
01:19Now let's look closer at this face-off between Tony and Thanos
01:22to figure out how it illuminates Endgame's and the MCU's deeper messages
01:27about fatherhood and what it means to beget a better future.
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01:43You throw another moon at me, then I'm gonna lose it.
01:47Stark.
01:48You know me?
01:50I do.
01:51As soon as the two meet in the scene, the dialogue reveals something surprising.
01:55Thanos knows Tony.
01:56He's aware of Stark from that original Battle of New York as the person who undid the plan.
02:03Meanwhile from the Battle of New York on, Tony has also had some version of Thanos
02:08in his brain, as an idea without a name.
02:11Thanos has been inside my head for six years.
02:14Photo actor Joe Russo has said that Tony, quote,
02:16has predicted a threat like Thanos.
02:18It's lived in his brain even though he couldn't name it.
02:22Threat is imminent.
02:24In Age of Ultron, Tony has a vision of what looks like a post-apocalyptic world
02:29where his fellow Avengers are dying.
02:31You could've saved us.
02:35And the setting of this fight scene in Infinity War is not unlike the wasteland of that vision,
02:41which on some level has already come to pass.
02:44Watching my friends die, you'd think that'd be as bad as it gets, right?
02:49Nope.
02:50Wasn't the worst part.
02:52The worst part is that you didn't.
02:56Thanos' explanation for how he knows Tony is the enigmatic line,
03:00You're not the only one cursed with knowledge.
03:04Both characters have access to some sort of mysterious insight,
03:08which makes them feel they have to make tough decisions others don't understand.
03:11We can bust arms dealers all the live long day, but that up there, that's the endgame.
03:18If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist.
03:22It needs correction.
03:23You don't know that!
03:25I'm the only one who knows that.
03:28The technology-obsessed Tony is a known futurist.
03:30The futurist, gentlemen!
03:32The futurist is here!
03:35He sees all!
03:37And that's something he has in common with Thanos.
03:40They're both aware of something from an early point and constantly having to deal with being smarter.
03:47Thanos is a futurist as much as Tony Stark.
03:51In fact, these two are similar in a lot of ways.
03:54Both approach problems logically, without emotion.
03:57Genocide.
03:58But random, dispassionate fare to rich and poor alike.
04:03Their instinct is to solve the world's problems through systems of control.
04:08We need to be put in check.
04:09And they may do damage to humankind while trying to protect it.
04:13Ultron can't tell the difference between saving the world and destroying it.
04:17Where do you think he gets that?
04:18So on one level, this scene represents Tony going up against a dark mirror of himself.
04:24But visually here, Tony appears tiny in relation to this giant Thanos looming over him.
04:32He looks like David going up against Goliath.
04:34And these visuals are a clue that this fight is really about Tony battling the source of his father complex.
04:41My only curse is you.
04:43The size and balance highlights how small and unworthy he feels.
04:47This is the little boy in him who will always feel inadequate in relation to the ghost of his emotionally distant father,
04:53Howard Stark.
04:54You know, they say sarcasm is a metric for potential.
04:57If that's true, you'll be a great man someday.
04:59The fundamental flaw in Howard's parenting logic is that he thinks it's enough to inspire, educate,
05:05and provide for his son from a distance.
05:08He doesn't understand that Tony needs his personal warmth and presence most of all.
05:12He was cold.
05:13He was calculating.
05:14He never told me he loved me.
05:15He never even told me he liked me.
05:16When Tony watches this video of his father in Iron Man 2, we see Howard rebuff his young son.
05:23Put it back where you got it from.
05:25Where's your mother?
05:27Maria!
05:28Go on, go, go.
05:29Even as he goes on to leave a loving message for future Tony.
05:33My greatest creation is you.
05:37In this scene when Thanos puts his huge hand on Tony's head, it feels like a paternal gesture.
05:42You have my respects, Stark.
05:44But evoking a perversion of fatherly love, because here he's trying to kill Tony.
05:49So this moment captures how Thanos is a grotesque embodiment of all the daddy issues that pervade the MCU.
05:56I understand my child.
05:59He's the dark father figure of the whole universe.
06:02You have become children of Thanos.
06:05Like a Darth Vader or a Voldemort, who goes against the natural order by attempting to kill the next generation.
06:11In fact, Russo has said that was their intention to make Thanos a quote,
06:15Darth Vader for a new generation.
06:18This frame of Tony taking on an impossibly daunting foe also evokes a human going up against a god.
06:24And the prominent fire imagery reflects that Thanos is a brutal Old Testament style god who inspires fear.
06:34Like Howard as a father, Thanos as a god engages in that same kind of well-intentioned,
06:40cold logic that overlooks the person in the equation.
06:43To bring balance to the universe by wiping out half of all life.
06:46The way that the MCU conflates the god and father figures in Thanos is fitting,
06:51not only because of the paternalistic god the father of the Judeo-Christian tradition,
06:55but also because we begin life viewing our parents as all-powerful.
07:00So for many of us, the relationship to a parent is a model or proxy for our idea of a god or creator.
07:08I want to be a great king, Baba. Just like you.
07:13And in fact, the MCU uses its father issues to get at a bigger existential question
07:18of how we relate to the universe at large.
07:21Through this twisted version of a god,
07:23the Avengers grapple with inheriting a world that's imperfect, unfeeling, and disappointing.
07:30He invades planets, he takes what he wants, he wipes out half the population.
07:34Moreover, we can't escape being shaped by our disappointing world.
07:38It's an imperfect world, but it's the only one we've got.
07:40Even if the son rejects the flawed father, he'll inevitably take after him in some ways.
07:46This is the key to the future.
07:48Reframe the future!
07:49And to some degree, Tony repeats his father's mistakes, too,
07:53with his surrogate son, Peter Parker.
07:55That's not a hug, I'm just grabbing the door for you.
07:57We're not, we're not there yet.
07:59In Spider- Homecoming, Tony even sends an empty Iron Man suit to rescue Peter.
08:04Mr. Stark, you didn't have to come all the way out here.
08:06I had that, I was fine.
08:08Oh, I'm not here.
08:11Thank God this place has Wi-Fi or you would be toast right now.
08:15Mirroring that scene in Iron Man 3 when he sends one of his suits to greet Pepper.
08:20This is a new level of lame.
08:23So these scenes symbolize that, like his dad, Tony doesn't always get the importance of being
08:28there, in the flesh, for the people you love.
08:31His reflex is to hide behind his technology.
08:34My armor?
08:35It was never a distraction or a hobby.
08:38It was a cocoon.
08:40And that's what he does in this scene with Thanos.
08:43But his tech is inadequate and can't protect him.
08:52At the end, his suit is all burnt up in ruins.
08:55And this might make us think of his conversation with Peter in Homecoming.
08:58I'm nothing without this suit.
09:00If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it.
09:03Okay?
09:04You gotta sound like my dad.
09:06This scene's ultimate impact is that, like Infinity War as a whole, it ends the wrong
09:11way.
09:13Tony loses the fight.
09:16After this, Doctor Strange gives up the Time Stone to save Tony.
09:20There was no other way.
09:22So what makes Tony so important in this fight, even though he looks glaringly outmatched here
09:28and may not be the strongest Avenger in objective terms?
09:31You know me?
09:32I do.
09:33Thanos' knowledge of Tony reveals that he believes this person could present a real
09:38problem for him.
09:39He doesn't spend a lot of energy intentionally trying to murder people, unless they're in
09:44some way a threat to his agenda.
09:46But almost no one ends up being a threat to the agenda except for Tony.
09:50In Infinity War, each Avenger tests their strength against Thanos, and it's not enough.
09:55A strength where everything than Thanos would be unbeatable.
09:58But Tony epitomizes what makes Marvel great.
10:01His superhero persona is just a suit he made himself.
10:05One thing you can't take away?
10:07I am Iron Man.
10:09The real source of his power is that person underneath the suit, who has the plucky,
10:14versatile, cunning ingenuity that David used to outwit the giant.
10:19It's that unique brain with the creative insight to find the way around the problem.
10:24You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play?
10:26To lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you?
10:29I think I would just cut the wire.
10:30While Tony is conspicuously human here, Thanos is not truly the god that he pretends to be.
10:36Notice this line near the end of the scene.
10:38All that for a drop of blood.
10:40These words seem to tell us that the Avengers' efforts are futile,
10:44but they call on something that Ivan Vanko says in Iron Man 2.
10:48If you can make God bleed, then people will cease to believe in him.
10:53So this drop of blood actually proves that Thanos can be beaten.
10:58You will never be a god.
11:05After all, Thanos, with his Infinity Gauntlet, is hiding behind a kind of technology too.
11:10It takes a mind like Tony's that won't just go up against strength with more obvious strength
11:15to find that way around.
11:18Tony begins Infinity War dreaming about new life.
11:21Last night, I dreamt. We had a kid. So real.
11:26And it's significant that these two futurists envision tomorrow very differently.
11:31Thanos sees the future as weak, needing to be controlled and determined by him.
11:35But the key to parenthood and engendering a positive future is respecting new life
11:40and letting it determine itself.
11:42In other words, listening to the actual kid in front of you.
11:46Nice work in DC.
11:47Okay.
11:48My dad never really gave me a lot of support,
11:51and I'm just trying to break the cycle of shame.
11:53I'm kind of in the middle of something right now.
11:54Don't cut me off when I'm complimenting you.
11:56While he might take a little time to get there,
11:58we see Tony eventually giving Peter this validation and trust.
12:02You're an Avenger now.
12:04And with him, we have to hope and trust that his descendants in the MCU
12:08will carry on his best qualities.
12:10I'm just trying to protect us.
12:12The future us is, and that's it.
12:14Because if there's anything Iron Man has taught us over the last decade,
12:17it's that we humans have a lot more superpower within us than we know.
12:22Humans, they are not the cowering wretches we were promised.
12:30Hi, guys. It's Susannah.
12:31And Deborah.
12:32And we are The Take.
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