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One Marvelous Scene - Tony Stark Fights Thanos
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We're in the Endgame now.
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe is defined by the specters of flawed fathers
00:12
who haunt our heroes.
00:14
Talking about a guy who's happy as Dave is when he shipped me off to boarding school.
00:17
Whether they're absent dads, dead dads, mistaken dads, or outright evil dads.
00:22
And in Avengers Endgame, the Avengers go up against the ultimate bad dad
00:26
of the whole universe, Thanos.
00:28
When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive.
00:32
But in fact, Infinity War already gave us an incredibly symbolic scene
00:37
of this universe's founding father, Tony Stark, fighting Thanos.
00:44
Which reveals a lot about how the MCU is finally resolving the daddy issues
00:49
that have defined its first decade.
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Which happens, dads leave.
00:52
No need to be a pussy or better.
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So we're about to break down this scene.
00:56
But before we get into it, a little background.
00:58
To get ready for Endgame, we've come together with a bunch of our favorite YouTubers
01:02
to create this series, One Marvelous Scene.
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Each channel picks one scene from the last 10 years of the MCU to analyze in depth.
01:10
So after you watch this, make sure to check out all the others.
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And you can even make your own video on this topic.
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Just tweet it to us, and we'll make sure it gets added to the playlist.
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Now let's look closer at this face-off between Tony and Thanos
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to figure out how it illuminates Endgame's and the MCU's deeper messages
01:27
about fatherhood and what it means to beget a better future.
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Before we go on, if you're new here, be sure to subscribe and click the bell to get notified
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about all of our new videos.
01:43
You throw another moon at me, then I'm gonna lose it.
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Stark.
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You know me?
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I do.
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As soon as the two meet in the scene, the dialogue reveals something surprising.
01:55
Thanos knows Tony.
01:56
He's aware of Stark from that original Battle of New York as the person who undid the plan.
02:03
Meanwhile from the Battle of New York on, Tony has also had some version of Thanos
02:08
in his brain, as an idea without a name.
02:11
Thanos has been inside my head for six years.
02:14
Photo actor Joe Russo has said that Tony, quote,
02:16
has predicted a threat like Thanos.
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It's lived in his brain even though he couldn't name it.
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Threat is imminent.
02:24
In Age of Ultron, Tony has a vision of what looks like a post-apocalyptic world
02:29
where his fellow Avengers are dying.
02:31
You could've saved us.
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And the setting of this fight scene in Infinity War is not unlike the wasteland of that vision,
02:41
which on some level has already come to pass.
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Watching my friends die, you'd think that'd be as bad as it gets, right?
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Nope.
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Wasn't the worst part.
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The worst part is that you didn't.
02:56
Thanos' explanation for how he knows Tony is the enigmatic line,
03:00
You're not the only one cursed with knowledge.
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Both characters have access to some sort of mysterious insight,
03:08
which makes them feel they have to make tough decisions others don't understand.
03:11
We can bust arms dealers all the live long day, but that up there, that's the endgame.
03:18
If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist.
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It needs correction.
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You don't know that!
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I'm the only one who knows that.
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The technology-obsessed Tony is a known futurist.
03:30
The futurist, gentlemen!
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The futurist is here!
03:35
He sees all!
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And that's something he has in common with Thanos.
03:40
They're both aware of something from an early point and constantly having to deal with being smarter.
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Thanos is a futurist as much as Tony Stark.
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In fact, these two are similar in a lot of ways.
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Both approach problems logically, without emotion.
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Genocide.
03:58
But random, dispassionate fare to rich and poor alike.
04:03
Their instinct is to solve the world's problems through systems of control.
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We need to be put in check.
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And they may do damage to humankind while trying to protect it.
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Ultron can't tell the difference between saving the world and destroying it.
04:17
Where do you think he gets that?
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So on one level, this scene represents Tony going up against a dark mirror of himself.
04:24
But visually here, Tony appears tiny in relation to this giant Thanos looming over him.
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He looks like David going up against Goliath.
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And these visuals are a clue that this fight is really about Tony battling the source of his father complex.
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My only curse is you.
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The size and balance highlights how small and unworthy he feels.
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This is the little boy in him who will always feel inadequate in relation to the ghost of his emotionally distant father,
04:53
Howard Stark.
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You know, they say sarcasm is a metric for potential.
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If that's true, you'll be a great man someday.
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The fundamental flaw in Howard's parenting logic is that he thinks it's enough to inspire, educate,
05:05
and provide for his son from a distance.
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He doesn't understand that Tony needs his personal warmth and presence most of all.
05:12
He was cold.
05:13
He was calculating.
05:14
He never told me he loved me.
05:15
He never even told me he liked me.
05:16
When Tony watches this video of his father in Iron Man 2, we see Howard rebuff his young son.
05:23
Put it back where you got it from.
05:25
Where's your mother?
05:27
Maria!
05:28
Go on, go, go.
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Even as he goes on to leave a loving message for future Tony.
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My greatest creation is you.
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In this scene when Thanos puts his huge hand on Tony's head, it feels like a paternal gesture.
05:42
You have my respects, Stark.
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But evoking a perversion of fatherly love, because here he's trying to kill Tony.
05:49
So this moment captures how Thanos is a grotesque embodiment of all the daddy issues that pervade the MCU.
05:56
I understand my child.
05:59
He's the dark father figure of the whole universe.
06:02
You have become children of Thanos.
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Like a Darth Vader or a Voldemort, who goes against the natural order by attempting to kill the next generation.
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In fact, Russo has said that was their intention to make Thanos a quote,
06:15
Darth Vader for a new generation.
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This frame of Tony taking on an impossibly daunting foe also evokes a human going up against a god.
06:24
And the prominent fire imagery reflects that Thanos is a brutal Old Testament style god who inspires fear.
06:34
Like Howard as a father, Thanos as a god engages in that same kind of well-intentioned,
06:40
cold logic that overlooks the person in the equation.
06:43
To bring balance to the universe by wiping out half of all life.
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The way that the MCU conflates the god and father figures in Thanos is fitting,
06:51
not only because of the paternalistic god the father of the Judeo-Christian tradition,
06:55
but also because we begin life viewing our parents as all-powerful.
07:00
So for many of us, the relationship to a parent is a model or proxy for our idea of a god or creator.
07:08
I want to be a great king, Baba. Just like you.
07:13
And in fact, the MCU uses its father issues to get at a bigger existential question
07:18
of how we relate to the universe at large.
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Through this twisted version of a god,
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the Avengers grapple with inheriting a world that's imperfect, unfeeling, and disappointing.
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He invades planets, he takes what he wants, he wipes out half the population.
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Moreover, we can't escape being shaped by our disappointing world.
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It's an imperfect world, but it's the only one we've got.
07:40
Even if the son rejects the flawed father, he'll inevitably take after him in some ways.
07:46
This is the key to the future.
07:48
Reframe the future!
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And to some degree, Tony repeats his father's mistakes, too,
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with his surrogate son, Peter Parker.
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That's not a hug, I'm just grabbing the door for you.
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We're not, we're not there yet.
07:59
In Spider- Homecoming, Tony even sends an empty Iron Man suit to rescue Peter.
08:04
Mr. Stark, you didn't have to come all the way out here.
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I had that, I was fine.
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Oh, I'm not here.
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Thank God this place has Wi-Fi or you would be toast right now.
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Mirroring that scene in Iron Man 3 when he sends one of his suits to greet Pepper.
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This is a new level of lame.
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So these scenes symbolize that, like his dad, Tony doesn't always get the importance of being
08:28
there, in the flesh, for the people you love.
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His reflex is to hide behind his technology.
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My armor?
08:35
It was never a distraction or a hobby.
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It was a cocoon.
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And that's what he does in this scene with Thanos.
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But his tech is inadequate and can't protect him.
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At the end, his suit is all burnt up in ruins.
08:55
And this might make us think of his conversation with Peter in Homecoming.
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I'm nothing without this suit.
09:00
If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it.
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Okay?
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You gotta sound like my dad.
09:06
This scene's ultimate impact is that, like Infinity War as a whole, it ends the wrong
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way.
09:13
Tony loses the fight.
09:16
After this, Doctor Strange gives up the Time Stone to save Tony.
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There was no other way.
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So what makes Tony so important in this fight, even though he looks glaringly outmatched here
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and may not be the strongest Avenger in objective terms?
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You know me?
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I do.
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Thanos' knowledge of Tony reveals that he believes this person could present a real
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problem for him.
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He doesn't spend a lot of energy intentionally trying to murder people, unless they're in
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some way a threat to his agenda.
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But almost no one ends up being a threat to the agenda except for Tony.
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In Infinity War, each Avenger tests their strength against Thanos, and it's not enough.
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A strength where everything than Thanos would be unbeatable.
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But Tony epitomizes what makes Marvel great.
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His superhero persona is just a suit he made himself.
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One thing you can't take away?
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I am Iron Man.
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The real source of his power is that person underneath the suit, who has the plucky,
10:14
versatile, cunning ingenuity that David used to outwit the giant.
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It's that unique brain with the creative insight to find the way around the problem.
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You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play?
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To lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you?
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I think I would just cut the wire.
10:30
While Tony is conspicuously human here, Thanos is not truly the god that he pretends to be.
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Notice this line near the end of the scene.
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All that for a drop of blood.
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These words seem to tell us that the Avengers' efforts are futile,
10:44
but they call on something that Ivan Vanko says in Iron Man 2.
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If you can make God bleed, then people will cease to believe in him.
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So this drop of blood actually proves that Thanos can be beaten.
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You will never be a god.
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After all, Thanos, with his Infinity Gauntlet, is hiding behind a kind of technology too.
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It takes a mind like Tony's that won't just go up against strength with more obvious strength
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to find that way around.
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Tony begins Infinity War dreaming about new life.
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Last night, I dreamt. We had a kid. So real.
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And it's significant that these two futurists envision tomorrow very differently.
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Thanos sees the future as weak, needing to be controlled and determined by him.
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But the key to parenthood and engendering a positive future is respecting new life
11:40
and letting it determine itself.
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In other words, listening to the actual kid in front of you.
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Nice work in DC.
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Okay.
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My dad never really gave me a lot of support,
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and I'm just trying to break the cycle of shame.
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I'm kind of in the middle of something right now.
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Don't cut me off when I'm complimenting you.
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While he might take a little time to get there,
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we see Tony eventually giving Peter this validation and trust.
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You're an Avenger now.
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And with him, we have to hope and trust that his descendants in the MCU
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will carry on his best qualities.
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I'm just trying to protect us.
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The future us is, and that's it.
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Because if there's anything Iron Man has taught us over the last decade,
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it's that we humans have a lot more superpower within us than we know.
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Humans, they are not the cowering wretches we were promised.
12:30
Hi, guys. It's Susannah.
12:31
And Deborah.
12:32
And we are The Take.
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