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Dive into the drama and luxury of Orange County with the latest episode of The Real Housewives. Follow the lives of affluent women as they navigate friendships, family, and social circles. Expect lavish parties, personal conflicts, and candid moments that define this iconic reality series.

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01:29Good morning.
01:47Okay, I swear I really did not stick an extra pin in Voodoo Jennifer to get Tamara out of here.
01:56But something about her not being around does feel lighter.
02:00And if she needs to go home and focus on herself, this is probably the smartest decision I've ever seen Tamara make.
02:07You want to call Ryan? Jennifer?
02:13Oh, you have your hair helmet on. Good morning.
02:15I like your jammies. You got your coffee going?
02:17I got my coffee going and look who I have with me this morning.
02:21Who is that?
02:22That's Jennifer, honey. That's my Voodoo doll.
02:25Okay.
02:26Have you seen anything on social media?
02:29Um, I have. What's going on?
02:32I don't know. We went to dinner last night and she just started biting at everybody.
02:37F*** you. F*** you. F*** off.
02:41And Gina said, that's enough.
02:43Like, you're not going to sit at my table?
02:45Come in sloshed.
02:46And she got her purse and she left.
02:48It was bad.
02:49Okay. What in the serious hell monkey with this mustache? I'm going to kill you.
02:56Come on.
02:57Oh, my God. Babe, I can't take you seriously. I am freaking exhausted. Oh, my God.
03:03Dude, Tamara drops, like, this bombshell that Katie was trying to sell some story.
03:08I feel like she was trying to cause me and Katie to have a fight.
03:11And then she says, I'm done. I'm leaving. I'm quitting the show.
03:15Oh, come on.
03:16I don't even know she's here.
03:18Her lies and her manipulations are all catching up with her.
03:20Yeah.
03:21Last night was a s*** show.
03:23All this Kiki Monique stuff made me feel sick.
03:26Absolutely. All night. Sick about it.
03:29I didn't tell Kiki. That's it. Plain and simple.
03:33And now we get to get on a boat. We're going to go see Gators.
03:36One of these b***hs is going to push me off.
03:38Push that before they push you.
03:40Yeah. I'll grab weed.
03:45Hello. Hi.
03:46Hi. Oh, my. You look stunning, princess.
03:50Good morning.
03:51Hey, how are you feeling?
03:52Oh, I'm fine.
03:53How are you?
03:54Good.
03:55Did Tamara leave?
03:56I get, yeah, I think she did.
03:58Okay, now she's texting.
04:00I'm leaving at 4 a.m.
04:02She had a flight.
04:03Come up without cameras.
04:05I'm not the ride or die right now, you guys.
04:08We made a step, big step today.
04:09You have to do whatever feels good for you, Shannon.
04:11I'm not going to do the snap the fingers, okay, we're good.
04:15Anymore. I'm not.
04:17But the thing is, I want to get confirmation that she's gone.
04:20It reminds me of Bali a little.
04:22I mean, in Bali, Tamara said, you'll never see me again.
04:26Okay.
04:27You know what?
04:28Yeah, walk away.
04:29I will.
04:29You know what I do.
04:30You will never see my face again.
04:32Goodbye.
04:34F*** you guys.
04:36And we saw it right after.
04:40We're going to get ready.
04:4111 to 11.
04:42Manifest.
04:43Manifest.
04:43All right, let's go.
04:52Are you still manifesting?
04:54Yeah.
04:54Did you manifest a hairbrush?
05:08Oh, Heather's in the back because she's little.
05:10The big b****s are in the front as it should be.
05:15Is Shannon not coming?
05:17I'm just going to upset the s***y lashes.
05:19I'm like, I don't think you go.
05:20Okay, I got tons of blue lashes.
05:22I'm like, I can do it.
05:24Is she late, actually?
05:26Is Shannon what's happening?
05:27Are you shocked?
05:28No, I'm not.
05:29Okay, did you guys see Tamara's post where she's in the airport and she's talking about mental health?
05:33What?
05:34If you're truly somebody who is like, I need to work on my mental health right now,
05:38your priority is not, I need to post on Instagram.
05:41It's how old ladies throw fits.
05:43They do it on Instagram.
05:44Oh, my God.
05:45It's just weird.
05:46Like, she expects all of us to be accountable and you own up for you, you that.
05:50I mean, she's been saying that for years.
05:52Yeah.
05:52And then put you on blast for something.
05:54And then if you do it back, she's a b****.
05:56She loses and she runs.
05:57Yeah.
05:58I wonder how the other girls feel about it.
06:00I can't believe how f***ing selfish it is for her to leave.
06:04I've been taking up for her and trying to be on your side.
06:05So am I.
06:06And I'm going tired of you doing that because it's not fair to you either.
06:11Meanwhile, Katie lied about this whole thing because I called the journalist.
06:15What?
06:16Okay, so you have this proof.
06:19It's like, listen, you're lying.
06:21Tamara had basically told me that Kiki Monique had spoken to a very reputable journalist.
06:27So I called that person up and they told me everything and they verified everything that
06:31Tamara was saying.
06:33Now here we are.
06:35And now we have to acknowledge what the truth is.
06:38It made me feel way worse because, like, I had such high hopes for this girl.
06:42But I'm out of chances to give you.
06:45Shannon.
06:46Hello?
06:48Hi.
06:49What's going on?
06:51Are you okay?
06:53I'm trying to get you.
06:56All right.
06:57It's okay.
06:58I know.
06:59Take it to you, Brad.
07:01All right.
07:02We'll see you soon.
07:04All right.
07:04Bye.
07:05I told her probably an hour ago that we were supposed to be ready at noon.
07:10We're going to go mess around with some crocodiles.
07:12So I can only do one crisis at a time.
07:20Oh, my God.
07:21We'll see you soon.
07:22All right.
07:23All right.
07:24All right.
07:25All right.
07:26All right.
07:27All right.
07:28All right.
07:29All right.
07:30All right.
07:31I'm Jordan.
07:32Nice to meet you.
07:33Hi, Jordan.
07:34Oh, my God.
07:35The rest of the crew's almost here.
07:36Um, where is Shannon?
07:37Do you know?
07:38I just need to stop, like, to do my lashes.
07:40Okay.
07:41Okay.
07:42I'm going to leave.
07:43Okay.
07:44Okay.
07:45Oh, my God.
07:46Where's the blue?
07:47One more minute, please.
07:49Oh, no.
07:51All right.
07:53Let's see some gators.
07:55Is this actual size?
07:58Yes.
07:59They can be this big.
08:00I have seen alligators this big before.
08:02Oh, my God.
08:03When I went to Bali, I realized I was living with fear, and I am no longer willing to do
08:06that.
08:07And so I really can't actually think of something scarier than a murky body of water filled with
08:13reptiles.
08:14I'm just afraid of creatures and things.
08:15Oh, my God.
08:16Oh, my God.
08:17Oh, my God.
08:18Oh, my God.
08:19Oh, my God.
08:20Oh, my God.
08:21Oh, my God.
08:22Oh, my God.
08:23Oh, my God.
08:24So, today, I will test myself to see if I can truly break through my fears.
08:30All right, ladies.
08:31These two rows right here would be the best spot for y'all to see it.
08:34It's going to give you a little bit of height.
08:35I'll go if you're scared.
08:36Yeah, I don't want to be on the end, please.
08:37Let Emily go on the end.
08:38She's a thrill seeker.
08:39I don't think I can do this one.
08:41I don't think I can do this one.
08:43I just got a text saying that she's two minutes away.
08:45Are we waiting on her?
08:46Oh, from Shannon?
08:47Yeah.
08:48My biggest pet peeve is when people aren't on time.
08:50It's bull .
08:51So, we should just go.
08:55Everyone else is here.
08:58So, a couple quick things safety-wise.
09:01First off, I want everybody to know where life jackets are located.
09:03They're under each seat.
09:06We're going into a 20,000-acre private preserve, y'all.
09:09It's beautiful.
09:10All kinds of stuff to see.
09:11So, with that being said, final thing.
09:13Does anybody have any questions before we go?
09:15Who's that lady back there?
09:16Sorry.
09:17Hi.
09:18Hi.
09:19Are you joining us?
09:20Yes.
09:21Nice to meet you.
09:22You can come right here.
09:23Sorry, you guys.
09:24You might need my coat.
09:25I have heels, but can someone just throw it to me?
09:29Sorry, you guys.
09:30Oh, you're here now.
09:31Here you are.
09:32Thank you.
09:33You're welcome.
09:34So, with that being said, we ready to roll?
09:35No one has sunscreen, do they?
09:36He's going to check.
09:37Do a little muscle check.
09:38Are you mad at me?
09:40This is something that genuinely creates anxiety for me.
09:44Well, I'm sorry.
09:45I don't know what to-
09:46For me.
09:47It has nothing to do with you.
09:48Not everything is about you.
09:49Oh, okay.
09:50It's because the water, okay?
09:52But you're concerned about you and the timing of it.
09:54No.
09:55And it's frustrating to me.
09:56I feel bad that I was late.
09:57You should feel bad that you're late.
09:58You should feel bad that you're late.
09:59This time late, but then the last time, the time of her bad, the time of her bad.
10:03It's a lot of late.
10:04And this is something that does create a lot of anxiety for me.
10:07And I don't want to get eaten by a cocktail.
10:09And everybody has so many problems and so many things and so many meltdowns and so many things.
10:14And I'm having too many things.
10:16I feel bad that I was late.
10:27You should feel bad that you're late.
10:28This is something that does create a lot of anxiety for me.
10:31And I don't want to get eaten by a cocktail.
10:33And everybody has so many problems.
10:36It's too many things.
10:37I'm sorry.
10:38I had an anxiety attack an hour ago.
10:41And I'm sorry.
10:42Okay.
10:43Since my DUI, I have had anxiety attacks.
10:45The last thing I wanted to happen, I felt like I couldn't breathe.
10:48It's a lot of things.
10:49And all I could say to myself was, just keep going.
10:52You can't think about it.
10:53You just got to keep going.
10:54And I never had a chance to process it or feel it.
10:57Let's just do this.
10:58Let's table this for now.
11:00Let's not out-anxiety each other.
11:02Crocodiles!
11:03Eat people with anxiety!
11:04I am excited!
11:08I tried to put lashes on today.
11:10Me too.
11:11That's not going to go well.
11:12I brought lashes blue.
11:15I don't love to be on the water in the first place.
11:25Okay, I don't like this.
11:28And now we're gliding by a shipwreck?
11:31Why?
11:32Why?
11:33This doesn't bode well.
11:35What is that?
11:36What is that?
11:37Is this where alligators hang out?
11:40There's one hanging out right there.
11:41No, no, no!
11:42Oh!
11:43Where?
11:44Look right here on the land.
11:45See it?
11:46That baby one?
11:47I don't like it at all.
11:48Is that real?
11:49Yes, that's real.
11:50Absolutely.
11:51That's real?
11:52Why is this thing right there?
11:53That is a real alligator.
11:54That baby one right here?
11:56The creature does look a little fake, and also it's so small.
11:59Like, I want to see a massive gator.
12:02Size matters.
12:04Oh, there's another one swimming there!
12:08Look, he's swimming!
12:09Oh!
12:10In that little gully right there, there's a third one, yeah.
12:13Oh, there is?
12:14Yeah, yeah.
12:15Where's their mom and dad?
12:16So, here's the bad thing about alligator families.
12:19The dad?
12:20Everyone's a deadbeat dad.
12:21Oh!
12:22So, when mating season comes around, the males will mate as many times as possible.
12:26Typical.
12:27Yeah, right.
12:28Garbage.
12:29Now, Tamara could just refer to Slade as an alligator, and she doesn't have to say deadbeat anymore.
12:32But the mother will guard the nest with her life.
12:35Female mother protecting her young is unbelievable.
12:38That resonates with us.
12:39Yeah.
12:40It's like, the more you sit, and then you keep, like, you get more comfortable.
12:44Yeah.
12:45Yeah.
12:46I mean, I face my fear.
12:49And I survived.
12:50I'm a survivor.
12:53Thank you.
12:54Thank you.
12:55Thank you.
13:00Are we going to the gift shop after this?
13:02Yes.
13:03Today is birthday.
13:04Hi.
13:05You don't look excited to see me.
13:09Long time no year.
13:10I'm busy, man.
13:11How are the kids?
13:12Sure you're busier than me.
13:13Did you take Luke this morning?
13:14Where?
13:15He had his...
13:16Stop it.
13:17Luke was diagnosed with ARFID, but his therapist also suggested that he have further testing.
13:38The therapist told me that the eating disorder is very common with the autism.
13:46Really?
13:47And it actually makes me feel guilty to be on this trip.
13:50Sorry, I got three dogs, workers, two kids, and the third one I gotta go pick up.
13:55Thank you for letting her come on the girls' trip.
13:57Like, am I being a bad mom by doing this?
14:00See, Luke just texted me.
14:04He said, I can't talk till school is over.
14:06Okay.
14:07Okay, I'm sorry.
14:08Okay, anyway.
14:09Bye, ladies.
14:10Okay, bye.
14:11Love you.
14:12Bye.
14:13Love you.
14:14Say it back.
14:15What the ****?
14:16Jesus.
14:18Okay, I'm gonna go get ready.
14:19Alright, go get ready.
14:20Alright.
14:21I'll be back.
14:22Alright.
14:30I can never get out of this car.
14:33Is there like a sexy way to get out?
14:35No, I just slide down like a slide.
14:37Right.
14:46How you guys doing?
14:47Welcome in.
14:48Hi.
14:49How are you?
14:50Hi, we have a reservation for Gina.
14:51For Gina?
14:52You can follow me.
14:53Welcome.
14:54Welcome to New Orleans.
14:55Make yourself at home, baby.
14:56I'm Leo.
14:57That's what New Orleans is known for, right?
14:59Is that fried oyster?
15:00Is that fried oyster?
15:01Yeah, I want to try that.
15:02So my size is in between right here.
15:04Probably came out the water two days ago.
15:06Do you chew it or just shoot it?
15:09That is lovely.
15:11That is lovely.
15:12That is lovely.
15:13That's delicious.
15:14Stop making fun of me.
15:16You are making fun of me a lot lately.
15:18This is the biggest oyster I've ever seen in my life.
15:20Sometimes I feel like you say something that if I said to you, it wouldn't be okay.
15:26Like the snapping and the thing.
15:27I know.
15:28I take things away.
15:29I was laughing my ass off when you were making fun of me.
15:30Are you okay?
15:31What's wrong?
15:32Are you choking?
15:33She had that big, big oyster.
15:34Oh my God.
15:35Your peristalsis isn't working.
15:36Can you imagine if I died listening to Heather Dubrow and Emily fight as the last thing
15:49I ever heard?
15:50You talk a lot.
15:51So do you.
15:52Can I ask a question?
15:53Can I ask a question?
15:54Can I ask a question?
15:55Can I ask a question?
15:56Can I ask a question?
15:57Can I ask a question?
15:58That cannot be how I go.
15:59You talk just as long as I do.
16:00No, you talk way longer.
16:01Bullshit.
16:02You know I'm just going to fucking choke and die over here and they're not even going
16:05to fucking come up for air.
16:07Coming up.
16:08Do you need blood?
16:09I didn't do this.
16:10I called the journalist.
16:11She's never done anything to me.
16:13Tamara's done something to everybody at this table.
16:27Would you stop making fun of me?
16:29Okay, I apologize for that.
16:31Thank you.
16:32Okay, ladies, your table is ready upstairs.
16:34Thank you so much.
16:36Here we are.
16:37Look at how pretty the shows are.
16:39Wow.
16:40I love it.
16:41So pretty.
16:42Hello, ladies.
16:43Hi.
16:44How are y'all?
16:45Good, how are you?
16:46Good.
16:47My name's Ashley.
16:48I'll be taking care of y'all tonight.
16:49Thank you, Ashley.
16:50No problem.
16:51I have a couple appetizers for y'all already that I'm bringing in, too.
16:54Thank you.
16:55What is this?
16:56Oh, this is pork belly.
16:57Thank you.
16:58And Brussels sprouts.
16:59Thank you.
17:00Has anyone talked to Tamara?
17:03I have not.
17:05She texted me last night and that's the last I've heard from her.
17:08But before she left, she brought up a rumor that was really horrible.
17:13Yes.
17:14And I don't even know what to do in this circumstance.
17:17And Katie, I was swinging definitely more your way.
17:20This situation right now, if we're talking real in the car, I do believe you.
17:23But, like, in my heart, just like you, I'm like, I want to know.
17:26I just want to know.
17:27So I called the journalist.
17:32When did you call the journalist?
17:33Last night.
17:34Last night.
17:35And I just said, what's, what is happening?
17:36Yeah.
17:37And he said, Kiki Monique and Katie went to lunch.
17:40About seven minutes into lunch, Katie brought up this story about the naked wasted night that Gretchen suspected that she had been roofied that night.
17:49And that she went to the hospital.
17:50And that she went to the hospital.
17:51That night.
17:52Okay.
17:53Well, that didn't happen.
17:54But it is a credible journalist.
17:56And the guy.
17:57But the thing I keep getting confused about is that credible journalist never reached out to me to ask me if that was true or not.
18:02No, because, you know, they're not going to print the story because they know it's a lie.
18:06Right.
18:07It's not like a random blogger.
18:08So if it's a lie and everybody knows it's a lie, then why are we talking about it?
18:11If you don't care that she sat at lunch and said that you.
18:13Of course I don't care about that.
18:15But that's why I'm telling you then.
18:16And nobody's showing me actually proof that that happened.
18:19It didn't happen.
18:20I'm sorry.
18:21I'm just going to stand by that.
18:22Kiki.
18:23You have her number.
18:24Call her.
18:25But why don't you text her and then you can walk over to another room.
18:29Yeah.
18:30Why don't you text her?
18:31It's an image.
18:32No, no.
18:33I don't think she wants to.
18:34But I'm sure she won't be talking about you, Katie.
18:36If I were Katie, I would be dialing Kiki right now.
18:39Why are you saying this?
18:41What is going on?
18:42I did not tell you this about Gretchen.
18:44I don't understand why my friend won't pick up the phone and make it right with my other girlfriends.
18:50I don't know.
18:51It's blood.
18:52I didn't do this.
18:53Think to yourself around that time.
18:54Did you ever share that story with her?
18:56Period.
18:57You told us the whole story at Mastro's.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Jen, Ryan, Gretchen, Slade, Matt and I all went to dinner on a Saturday night last fall at Mastro's in Newport Beach.
19:08The only thing is, she said she was so, um, from drinks.
19:12Yeah.
19:13You were so sick.
19:14I was really sick.
19:15She was really sick the next day.
19:16I felt really sick.
19:17Yeah.
19:18And was that conveyed to be something more than that?
19:20Something more than that?
19:21Right.
19:22Gretchen never said she got roofied.
19:24I was literally sitting there at the exact same table.
19:27I'm going to use Heather's line.
19:29Let's be clear.
19:30Gretchen and Slade told Jen, Ryan, Matt and I at Mastro's the night of Naked Wasted, she felt sick, got up in the morning, went to the hospital, they did a toxicology report and they found drugs in her system.
19:42That's it.
19:43What's been hard for me is that, like, each one of you have come to me in my ear about Katie, about Katie, about Katie.
19:48And I, if I'm being honest, I feel like there's a lot of, like, you want me to, like, not like Katie.
19:52And you came to me about Tamra over and over and over again.
19:55And guess what I did?
19:56Yes.
19:57I was open and I listened and I was there for you.
19:58Hold on, hold on.
19:59But for some reason when I come to you about this, you're not.
20:01No, no, no, stop.
20:02And it makes me kind of think, maybe you did say something at her.
20:05Gina.
20:06You guys all defend your friend Tamra.
20:12And I can't defend my friend that I have not had anything hard happening to me.
20:17We try to make Tamra accountable.
20:19Right.
20:20You're just flat out defending.
20:21That's what I'm saying.
20:22Because she's never done anything to me.
20:23No.
20:24Tamra's done something to everybody at this table.
20:27Every time I want to eat, I can't eat because they get me upset about something.
20:35I want to believe my friend.
20:38I don't want to believe the person that has proven to be a liar and manipulator and a conniving
20:44person.
20:45Who are you going to believe?
20:47I mean, like...
20:49I'm just telling you what I know.
20:52I don't know what to do.
20:54I don't know.
20:55We feel scared.
20:56Because the concern is, and we've talked about this and been honest about this, it's
21:01that what happens next.
21:04I know that Katie says that she did not do this, but I can promise you, one way or another,
21:11the truth will come out.
21:13Okay, well, thank you for coming, guys.
21:16This was fun.
21:17We're traveling back a little lighter.
21:19And done.
21:20No, we've eaten so many beignets.
21:22All right.
21:25Well, cheers to Gina.
21:26Cheers to Gina.
21:27Cheers to you guys.
21:28Cheers.
21:29Love you guys.
21:30And see you all back in the O.C.
21:32Yeah.
21:33Back in the O.C.
21:34coming up.
21:35Not one of them calls me.
21:38They're not one bit freaking concerned.
21:40They don't care about me.
21:41When we were in Louisiana, they had like a mechanical bull, but it was a mechanical cock.
21:56What was it like to ride cock?
22:01You know, I didn't get to ride the cock.
22:03No?
22:04Maybe tonight you can try to ride the cock.
22:07I will try.
22:13Hi.
22:14Where are you?
22:15I'm at the bar.
22:16I just got back from New Orleans.
22:19What?
22:20Where?
22:21Okay.
22:22You need to walk outside.
22:23You gotta go.
22:24You have to go outside.
22:26What?
22:27Okay, Sophie, have another cocktail, okay?
22:32Ow!
22:37I brought you back something from New Orleans.
22:42Yay.
22:43What'd you get us?
22:44I got you some gator gear.
22:46What?
22:47I gave you.
22:48They say genuine.
22:49This scares me.
22:50Why?
22:51It's a great little nose picker.
22:53Get that thing away from me.
22:55Well, we know Luca doesn't need one of those.
22:57Yeah.
23:07What's the latest?
23:08What's been going on?
23:09How are you feeling?
23:10So, you know, I've been super anxious lately.
23:12Like, really anxious.
23:13Yeah.
23:14What's the latest?
23:15What's the latest?
23:16What's been going on?
23:17How are you feeling?
23:18So, you know, I've been super anxious lately.
23:21Like, really anxious.
23:22And...
23:39Like, I was fighting with Eddie.
23:40Like, he had to literally physically hold me down and calm me down.
23:44Mm-hmm.
23:45In New Orleans, like, everything just crashed down on me.
23:49et j'ai déjà fait le défi.
23:51Je suis allé à Big Bear et j'ai juste envie de me le laisser.
23:54Je voulais isoler ma personne.
23:57Mais je me suis allé à la fin de faire,
24:00car je voulais savoir comment naviguer les émotions.
24:03Quand j'étais en New Orleans,
24:04j'ai eu l'impression que tout était bien.
24:06Et le second jour que j'étais là,
24:08je me confrontais cette fille.
24:10Katie disait que tu disais que je suis rippée à toi.
24:13C'est-ce que tu disais que je t'ai pris ça sur ma ars.
24:16Je suis dit que tu disais ça.
24:18Oh mon Dieu, Gretchen believes Katie.
24:23Je voulais que tu me disais ce que tu me disais.
24:25Je voulais que je me donne la chance de me en croire.
24:29Je me souviens de la rue.
24:31Je me souviens de la rue.
24:33Je me souviens de la rue.
24:34Je me suis ravi.
24:35Je me souviens de la rue.
24:37Je me suis ravi.
24:38Je suis venu à mon homofé et je me suis dit,
24:40j'ai décidé de me mettre du temps.
24:41Il me souviens de me en fait.
24:43Je me suis rentré à 4 en matinée.
24:45C'est parti, c'est parti.
25:15I was upset, and that was all about, you know, taking Xanax and having two drinks, you know?
25:20That was the part of me that I didn't want anybody to see.
25:23It's the part of me that I'm not proud of.
25:25Obviously, things need to change.
25:28When you get triggered, especially when we're drinking, a different part of you comes out.
25:31They scream, they yell, whatever.
25:32They obviously knew that I had taken something.
25:35I go, I leave, I got home, not one of them calls me.
25:40They're not one bit freaking concerned what my mental state was at that moment, how I felt, how I was hysterically crying, how I went home.
25:49How did you make sense of that?
25:50That they don't care about me.
25:52That's how I made sense of it.
25:55What are you most afraid of in your relationships?
25:58I don't know, maybe just not being liked rejection.
26:05So now I'm super careful what I say and what I do, and does this person like me?
26:09Am I allowed to talk right now?
26:11You have a very wounded part because of all of your trauma.
26:16That's part of your pathology.
26:18Trust, rejection, huge themes for you.
26:22You know, after my dad left my mom and then Sydney left me, it's just, it's very hard for me to get close.
26:29When I start getting close to somebody, I put a wall up because I feel like if I get too close to them, something's going to happen and they won't be in my life anymore.
26:37I just feel like I'm never good enough within this fine group.
26:44So I go into these situations with these girls and I just feel like I don't know where my place is anymore.
26:54Coming up.
26:55He's possibly autistic.
26:57I feel like the weight of it is on me.
26:59You don't understand how difficult you can be sometimes.
27:01How about that?
27:07Here, sit right here.
27:11Eat a little bit before you go, please.
27:14Luke, you want to try a sweet potato?
27:15No way, Jose.
27:17No way, Jose.
27:18It's orange.
27:19So you don't eat orange food?
27:21Keller would try it.
27:23Keller usually tries anything.
27:24You think I don't try anything?
27:26Well, you don't try a lot.
27:28Shane?
27:29Yeah.
27:30He's going to a friend's house.
27:32You want to take your food and eat it in the car?
27:34That's good.
27:35Yeah.
27:36If you don't eat it, that's fine.
27:37If you eat it, then you can share.
27:38Okay, let's go.
27:39Say bye to mom.
27:40A short hug.
27:41Hug.
27:41Yeah, a short hug.
27:43All right, let's go, dude.
27:44A short hug.
27:45Okay, bye.
27:46Have a good time.
27:46Luke, your ride's here.
27:47I love you.
27:48Have fun.
27:50You want me to tell Trenton Luke's late because he won't stop hugging his mom?
27:54Yes.
27:55He won't care.
27:56He likes me.
27:57That doesn't embarrass him.
27:59Yet, in New Orleans, Luke kept calling me repeatedly over and over and over and over.
28:05This is very relaxing, actually.
28:06I know.
28:07It's very relaxing.
28:08All right, what are we getting?
28:09What is Muriel's finest?
28:11I mean, as moms, we do deserve a little time away, but I also have a child that's in crisis,
28:17and it's hard.
28:18It's just, I'm exhausted.
28:20Okay, Luke's gone.
28:21How's the therapy?
28:25I don't think things are good with Luke.
28:27I went to New Orleans.
28:28I come home, and he's talking like a baby.
28:31Yeah, but I'm going to tell you what, he never talked once like a baby while you're gone.
28:34So it's him.
28:35He's like, oh, mom's here, so he talks like a baby.
28:39I've always been more of the nurturing parent, and I think Luke connects more with me just
28:44because Shane isn't as warm and fuzzy.
28:46He's more of the pragmatic kind of dad.
28:50It's a neurological issue.
28:52That's why we're having all this testing done.
28:53Right?
28:54No, I'm not disagreeing with that, but if it's neurological, then why do you get frustrated?
28:57It is what it is.
28:58There's nothing we can do about it.
28:59We just work around it.
29:02I can't talk about him anymore.
29:04I'm just sad.
29:07When you're in New Orleans, he's not perfect, but he gets up, he puts his clothes on.
29:12But when you're here, he texts you from school.
29:16You know, he won't let go of hugging you.
29:17Some of it is an act for attention.
29:20He's possibly autistic, and he doesn't think and function like other children do, and I
29:25feel like you simplify it.
29:27No, no, now I'm getting frustrated, because you're just saying I have to cry and be all
29:30upset and mad in order to be considerate, when I could still smile and still help him and
29:36still be positive.
29:37Which do you want me to do?
29:39Sorry.
29:39No, I don't want to talk about it anymore.
29:41You want to try and solve problems, or you just want to try to say I'm being, I'm an idiot?
29:45I didn't say it, I didn't say it, as if you care and I don't care.
29:50I do treat my three girls differently than my two boys.
29:53I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's kind of how I've been doing it.
29:56A little bit more sensitive to my girls, a little bit more like get up and walk it off
30:00to my boys.
30:02You make it stressful for yourself.
30:04You make it more difficult for yourself.
30:06If it was just up to me, I probably wouldn't be trying to find specialty help for him right
30:10away or specialists or whatever.
30:11We have to go at our children's pace, not kind of shoving it in front of him.
30:16All I said was, I feel like the weight of it is on me.
30:20That's all I'm saying.
30:22Well, the weight is not on you because I am with him a significant amount of time.
30:27I really don't understand why you're...
30:38In a marriage, sometimes I need a deeper connection than just, it will be fine.
30:48I need, I know that it's really difficult.
30:51I know that you have a lot of emotions.
30:53You're valid in having those.
30:55We're going to work together.
30:56We're going to make it through together.
30:58And I don't hear that.
31:00Come on, don't be like this.
31:01No, you don't understand how overwhelmed I am.
31:03Okay, I don't understand anything.
31:04Okay, got it.
31:05I don't understand.
31:06Well, you don't understand how difficult you can be sometimes.
31:08How about that?
31:08Hi, how are you?
31:27Good.
31:27I feel well, how are you?
31:28Good.
31:29I think it's under Dubrow.
31:32Thank you.
31:33You're very welcome.
31:34Thanks so much.
31:34Absolutely.
31:35Hi there, my name's Cody.
31:36I'll be taking care of the table today.
31:38Here's some menus for you.
31:39Okay, great.
31:40I would love a hot tea.
31:45I'll do peppermint.
31:46Peppermint?
31:47Yeah, thank you.
31:47Of course.
31:50Hi.
31:51Hi.
31:52How are you?
31:52You look cute.
31:53I'm freezing.
31:54All glam, right?
31:56How are you?
31:58How are you?
31:59More importantly.
32:01Better than I was, that's for sure.
32:03I know.
32:03Good afternoon, ladies.
32:04My name's Cody.
32:05I'll be taking care of the table for you.
32:06Can I just have some sparkling water, please?
32:09Sparkling water?
32:09Wonderful.
32:12What happened?
32:13What happened that night?
32:14Well, yeah, like I felt like you walked into that dinner in a good spot.
32:18I talked to Gretchen, and I was really believing what she was saying.
32:23Then I think back about what was said and how it was said and her being very,
32:27no, you never said anything like that.
32:32No!
32:33Absolutely not.
32:33So where the f*** did she get this from?
32:35I'm like spinning.
32:36Like, I'm just like, I don't even...
32:38Sorry, sweetie.
32:39And then I said to her,
32:41Did you tell Katie at any time that you had to go to the hospital?
32:45And she goes,
32:47I mean, I did.
32:48I did.
32:49The next day I went to the hospital.
32:52I think I was so sick.
32:54But you're telling me you didn't say any of this other stuff.
32:57Gretchen is the queen of denial.
33:00I never said I went to the hospital.
33:02I'm like, well, yeah, you did.
33:03So which one is it?
33:04I did not go to the hospital.
33:05I felt so sick that I probably should have gone to the hospital.
33:08Paula Gretchen, she can't believe her lies.
33:10She lies so much, she can't even believe them.
33:13So then I had a little bit of suspicion there.
33:15It triggered you.
33:16It triggered me.
33:16Yeah.
33:17And I knew with going into that night that I was going to be really upset.
33:21So I took a half of Xanax.
33:25Okay.
33:26I feel like I'm on an island by myself, and I can't...
33:28What the f*** am I?
33:30Really?
33:30I was worried about you and wanted to hear from you.
33:33Did I call from you?
33:34Excuse me.
33:35I called you that night.
33:36I spoke to you on FaceTime.
33:38You hung up on me.
33:39And when I text you, are you okay?
33:41Where are you?
33:42You know what you do?
33:43You text me.
33:44You reach out.
33:46Okay.
33:47Tamara's been my friend for a long time, and I have stood by her.
33:51To the detriment of my relationship with other people at times.
33:56And I just feel like the bare minimum would be to just text me back.
34:01I think I've earned that.
34:03You're out there talking on social media.
34:06You're doing multiple podcasts talking about this before reaching out to me.
34:10Listen, I'm doing the best I can do.
34:13I'm just at a situation...
34:15Am I quitting?
34:16I'm just having a quitter?
34:18Do you not understand how that might be upsetting?
34:21Why not you f***ing understand where my head was?
34:25I do.
34:25And how I was feeling.
34:26No, you're not.
34:26You're sitting here making me sound like I'm a bad person.
34:28Sorry, Heather, that I didn't make you feel comfortable when I was in a f***ing fetal position.
34:34That's not what I'm saying.
34:35What are you saying?
34:36What I'm saying is I tried helping you, reaching out to you, caring, and I felt like you threw me away.
34:42It just made me feel like I wasn't important to you.
34:44Do you know what it's like to relive why your daughter doesn't talk to you?
34:50In the meantime, your best friend gets brain cancer?
34:53I'm sorry.
34:56All I know is I'm dealing with a lot.
34:58Yeah, I'm sorry you're going through all of this.
35:01I feel sad for Tambra, but she does not want to hear what I'm saying.
35:07And now that she's telling me everything that's going on, it's all very sad, and it's all very dark,
35:13and it really doesn't leave any room open to continue this conversation.
35:18That looks good.
35:20I'm glad you're doing better.
35:21I want to be there for you.
35:24You can always call me.
35:25You can always text me.
35:27Even if you just need to vent, you know that.
35:30Thank you.
35:31Would you like more hot water for yourself?
35:33No, I'm okay.
35:33Thank you, sir.
35:34I have a serious question for you.
35:36Yes.
35:38What's more beautiful, the tiramisu or the waiter?
35:41I mean, he's...
35:42Like, am I on fire?
35:46Hi.
35:47Hi, sir.
35:49All right, cheers.
35:50I love you.
35:50Love you.
35:54Coming up...
35:55Did you hear Slade talking about any of this naked, wasted stuff?
35:58I can say this.
36:00You didn't make it up.
36:01I can say this.
36:01You didn't make it up.
36:01Is there any way you could make me a martini?
36:13You want a drink, mama?
36:15I would love a refreshing Matt Janela martini.
36:18What?
36:19He makes the best one.
36:21Just ask Tamara.
36:23Little piece of butter.
36:24Tamara!
36:25Tamara!
36:26There's feeling!
36:27You ding-dong!
36:28I shouldn't serve her anymore alcohol.
36:31Okay.
36:31Please.
36:32Cheers.
36:33Okay, we're gonna sit here.
36:34You color.
36:36Do you want to light the fire?
36:36Yeah.
36:46Thank you so much.
36:52Hi!
36:52Hi.
36:53How can I help you?
36:54Can I just do a really dirty martini?
36:59All right.
37:00Thanks, Donald.
37:01Oh, I didn't know you were here.
37:03Hi!
37:03Just hair, hanging out.
37:04You look beautiful.
37:06You're just hanging out at the bar?
37:07You're just hanging out at the local bar by yourself?
37:09It's a party.
37:10Oh, hello.
37:12Hi.
37:13How are you?
37:14Good.
37:15Hi.
37:16What is this place?
37:17She's clearly not from Oklahoma or Ohio.
37:19I don't know.
37:21Well, you are in a firm.
37:22I'm in a firm.
37:23In a bar.
37:24In a bar.
37:24Oh, hi.
37:25I'm a very dirty martini.
37:26I heard through the grapevine that your espresso martinis are not that great, so I'll take one.
37:32Very good.
37:32I'll get you one.
37:33Grey goose with a spray and a lime.
37:35Thank you.
37:37What's going on with the kids?
37:38Oh, goodness.
37:39Just, it's a lot.
37:40So, one of my sons, so Luke, he has an eating disorder.
37:44And, oh, that's hard.
37:45He doesn't eat.
37:46Yeah.
37:47This has been so hard on me and Shane.
37:50We don't know how to parent him.
37:52We fight with each other, and then it's a mess.
37:55You're probably the last thing you want to do.
37:57Just come out, but maybe it's good for you to come out.
37:59It's good, because I just needed to talk about it.
38:01It's a lot.
38:02It's a lot.
38:03Let's go play pool.
38:03Thank you for listening.
38:05I appreciate it.
38:06We're going to go play pool?
38:06Let's go play some pool.
38:07I don't think I'm going to be good at pool, but let's see.
38:14This martini is really good.
38:15You being home is really good.
38:17Oh, my God.
38:19How did the Kiki situation end?
38:21So, the final night, we're sitting around the dinner table, and Gina comes in, and she's
38:24like, Gretchen, I want you to know I called a reporter, and he confirmed with me that Katie
38:28did tell Kiki Monique this story.
38:31If you go back to Mastro's, did you hear Slade talking about any of this naked, wasted stuff?
38:36Yeah.
38:36And what did he say?
38:40I can say this.
38:42Okay.
38:43You didn't make it up.
38:44No, I did not make it up.
38:46So, that's all that really needs to be said.
38:47After New Orleans, I felt like I had been thrown under the bus.
38:51Gretchen had the opportunity to tell the truth and for the truth to come out, that she was
38:56sure Tamara drugged her the night of naked wasted.
39:00It was clear as day what she said.
39:02There's no misunderstanding the words that came out of her mouth.
39:05And Jen backing Gretchen and trying to protect her tells me everything I need to know.
39:10They were like, call Kiki right now.
39:11Get her on the phone.
39:12I don't even know why you would even need to call.
39:14This is not your story.
39:16Right.
39:17So, Gretchen, speak up.
39:18I want to talk about this whole situation because, honestly, Emily, I have told Katie,
39:23like, all your s***, like, I'm going to support you as long as I can support you, but then
39:27what the s*** is going on?
39:28When I got home and I, like, had time to decompress and start thinking about all of it, I started
39:33going, okay, am I being naive?
39:34Yes.
39:35Do you want?
39:36Yes.
39:36Yeah, and I struggle with the same thing.
39:38Yeah, I get it, Gretchen.
39:39Okay.
39:41Katie originally told me that she had no problem calling Kiki and addressing it and getting
39:44it cleared up.
39:45Well, I text her and ask her to speak to me on camera.
39:48Did she respond?
39:49No.
39:50So I need to follow up?
39:51I'm happy to do that.
39:52I did not say this.
39:53But then all of a sudden, in the car ride, she said, well, if I call Kiki, she's just going
39:58to lie.
39:58You were like, why don't you just do it?
40:00I'm like, I don't want to do it.
40:00Because that's the sentence straight.
40:02I know, but I'm not doing it.
40:03Do that.
40:04I really think she's going to be like, I lied.
40:06She's going to save herself.
40:08But that stressed me out because I was like, are you telling me the truth about this or
40:12not?
40:12Like, I'm feeling uneasy about this.
40:14Why don't you say to them, like, shut the f**k up.
40:19You're the liars and not me.
40:21You know how hard that is to do when it's everybody against you?
40:24You know how hard that is?
40:25Why am I being blamed for this?
40:27Gretchen and Slade are the ones that are spreading all of this to different people and making this
40:32story out.
40:32But I mean, real talk.
40:34By the way, let me just back up a second.
40:35Okay, but here's the thing.
40:38Am I saying what really happened or am I protecting Gretchen right now?
40:41Tell me what really happened.
40:42We'll go from there.
40:43After Matt spoke to me the night all this information came out about Kiki Monique and
40:49Gretchen, Slade called Matt and said, tell Katie to say that Gretchen never said it.
40:54And I have to, quote unquote, hold the line and protect Gretchen.
40:58If Kiki's claiming that I knew this story from Gretchen, the only times we've hung out
41:03with Gretchen is with Jen and Ryan.
41:05So the only times this story would have gotten out, Jen would have heard it.
41:08Ryan would have heard this.
41:10Yeah.
41:10So why is it just me?
41:11I feel like I'm a pawn.
41:13I think Gretchen has been caught in a lie of embellishment and I am exhausted mentally
41:19with trying to cover up for Gretchen and Slade.
41:23And quite frankly, Jen, because she knows the truth too.
41:28Something is...
41:30Something is not right.
41:31Why are people trying to make this about you?
41:33This is very weird.
41:34Like, I feel like I'm going to have to go call Kiki because I do feel like there's something
41:39weird there.
41:40So just playing devil's advocate, like, if Gretchen did say this, why would Katie go and
41:45even repeat this to a blogger?
41:46I will be devastated if I find out that she's making up stories like this.
41:51I need to get to the bottom of this for myself.
41:53I need to know if she said this to Kiki or not.
41:56Let's just get to the bottom of this.
41:57I hope that we're all wrong.
42:00Next time on The Real Housewives of Orange County.
42:08It's his 96th birthday.
42:11Prison New Year.
42:12It's all about new beginnings and really get the truth.
42:15So what we are going to do is take a lie detector test.
42:20Did you tell Kiki that Gretchen said she was drugged and hospitalized?
42:23I'm not covering for her anymore.
42:24I feel kind of sick.
42:25Katie just said she feels like she's going to throw up.
42:27We had a whole lunch and you were the topic.
42:32This is, like, really messed up.
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